| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Xtopher123(m): 3:30am On Sep 24, 2016 |
SpeedOfLight:
Where's the agreement, who and who made the agreement? Please don't be offended! I can't be offended, cause questions like this made me create this thread.. There was an agreement or a written document signed by Nigerians during Independence Celebration.. I may be wrong |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Xtopher123(m): 3:33am On Sep 24, 2016 |
theDEVILisHERE:
1st of all
A slave camp is not and cannot be a nation
The shiithole cage for Niggas aka Nigeria expired 31st Dec 2013 according to the documents the vagabond and bastard Mr Frederick 4kn Lugard signed as a slave contract for his lords the diabolical British royal family
That slave contract was illegal in the 1st place
Now the illegal slave contract has expired which makes the British wild game reserve 4 nigga animals aka Nigeria operating on double illegality!!
As we all know the final end of every illegal structure is destruction
Talk more of one operating on double illegality
The animal inhabitants of the cage better act fast and free themselves or else they would be destroyed along with their cage
They don't have much time left
To be sincere i cant make out anything from this.. I'll prefer you make a clearer point devoid of name callings and insults.. Dont be offended tho, maybe i'm not too schooled to understand your choice of words..  |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by SpeedOfLight: 3:39am On Sep 24, 2016 |
theDEVILisHERE:
1st of all
A slave camp is not and cannot be a nation
The shiithole cage for Niggas aka Nigeria expired 31st Dec 2013 according to the documents the vagabond and bastard Mr Frederick 4kn Lugard signed as a slave contract for his lords the diabolical British royal family
That slave contract was illegal in the 1st place
Now the illegal slave contract has expired which makes the British wild game reserve 4 nigga animals aka Nigeria operating on double illegality!!
As we all know the final end of every illegal structure is destruction
Talk more of one operating on double illegality
The animal inhabitants of the cage better act fast and free themselves or else they would be destroyed along with their cage
They don't have much time left
Fixed. 31st December, 2013 |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by LoveDecay(m): 3:51am On Sep 24, 2016 |
Whynotthetruth:
1)Law is made for Man and not man for law...Have you ever wondered why there's room for Constitution amendment? And do you know that whoever makes peaceful change impossible by chance has made violent change inevitable? Do we have provisions for state creations at independence in our Constitution? how come we now have 36states today?
2)If Igbo & other tribes were forced to become Biafrans... kindly tell us from which nation, those VERY BRAVE young men who confronted Nigeria military with sticks and bare hands came? How come they heroworshipped Ojukwu till death? How come the agitation refused to die years after such deaths? How come the agitation is gaining momentum daily? What is feeding this ideology today if it was anti-people as you said?
3)If we are to shift to morality...Then on what moral ground, should Nigeria(SW & North) confront a people they so much denigrate for cohabitation now? On what moral ground, should Yoruba want a union with a people they celebrated and still celebrates their massacre? On what moral ground, should northeners cohabit with a group they see as greedy, intolerant, pompous and arrogant? On what moral ground, should SW seek Union with a group they see as land usurpers, and ingrates? On what moral ground, should Buhari or any Nigerian leader expect loyalty from a group they disgust & derogatorily refer to as 5%?
Nigeria has NO COGENT REASON or JUSTIFICATION for holding Igbo back here...except for selfish considerations!!! Responses are chronological 1 See here for the process of constitutional amendment http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JLCR/article-full-text-pdf/157B8B555792. What is IPOB's plan ? How does it hope to get all these requirements ? Do you have intellectuals and aristocrats willing to publicly identify with this "cause" in order to push doggedly through due process ? 2 As you said, there was no referendum and as such the world never knew the true will of the people. Soldier's are trained to fight, and the men you say fought with inferior weapons , were protecting their communities and not the illegal entity "Biafra" which was seeking legitimization. 3 Now your just belittling yourself by condescending to sentiments. I said, on the case of morals "Biafra" should be celebrated, even re-enacted in cinema's but only to honor the memory of the dead and not to be used as tool for public effect and gaining sentiments from vulnerable populations.
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| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by theDEVILisHERE: 3:54am On Sep 24, 2016 |
Xtopher123:
To be sincere i cant make out anything from this..
I'll prefer you make a clearer point devoid of name callings and insults.. Dont be offended tho, maybe i'm not too schooled to understand your choice of words.. Nigga area aka Nigeria= Slave cage Nigga-areans aka Nigerians = Niggas in a cage aka Slaves Slave cage = Eventual destruction Niggas in cage = Eventual destruction with slave cage OR break free from slave cage and return to the human being you used to be before you were caught, trapped and put in slave cage 1 Like |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by ElCount: 6:53am On Sep 24, 2016 |
LoveDecay:
The Biafran Issue can be analysed on three levels , nationally, regionally and internationally.
Nationally:
1 Nigeria has a constitution and it recommends or suggests how certain issue should be handled. The constitution is the bedrock and framework of how this sovereign nation should be run. The Nigerian constitution has no provision for cessation, restructuring or "breaking away".
You can see the constitutional recommendations on "new states and boundaries" here http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm#Powers_of_Federal_Republic_of_Nigeria
We don't have any provisions for new countries or nations. So, this is the first issue Biafra must contend with.
2 Secondly, on the case of morals. Biafra first uprise was tainted with the death of millions of Nigerians, whom were forced to become Biafrans - when no vote/referendum was carried out. Did Ojukwu consult with the masses on the issue of cessation ? Did he receive wide support from the masses ? Millions died yet Ojukwu lived a full life with one of the most beautiful women in this nation - Ojukwu escaped the repercussion of his cessation campaign unscathed, yet others died.
On the case of morals, Biafra as an idea is very much significant in history, however this is for the lives lost and not for that which was never achieved.
Anyone who seeks to re-awaken such a cause which may lead to loss of lives, should expect widespread rebuke, logjam, gridlock and constriction. Ojukwu didn't consult the masses neither did the Nigerian govt so on what basis are u justifying the nigerian govt and vilifying Ojukwu when they are both culpable for the same thing. The nigerian constitution is meaningless as long as all the parties involved did not consent to it 2 Likes |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by ElCount: 7:10am On Sep 24, 2016 |
Xtopher123:
But then the Nation doesn't make it a choice..
A previous comment from someone said there's no provision for a Sovereign Nation nor State from Nigeria, so i don't see the Choice here.
Nigeria had an agreement in the past, don't you think we should abide to the agreement and try to make things work out irrespective of our ethnic or Political affiliations? Cause I mean like i said earlier if we channeled the Energy into clamoring for true federalism, we might achieve that first..
Then the Biafrans can decide if they still want to move on or not.. There was an agreement, the amalgamation agreement, and it was to expire after 100 years that was more than 2 years ago |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Whynotthetruth(m): 8:05am On Sep 24, 2016 |
LoveDecay:
Responses are chronological
1 See here for the process of constitutional amendment http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JLCR/article-full-text-pdf/157B8B555792. What is IPOB's plan ? How does it hope to get all these requirements ? Do you have intellectuals and aristocrats willing to publicly identify with this "cause" in order to push doggedly through due process ?
2 As you said, there was no referendum and as such the world never knew the true will of the people. Soldier's are trained to fight, and the men you say fought with inferior weapons , were protecting their communities and not the illegal entity "Biafra" which was seeking legitimization.
3 Now your just belittling yourself by condescending to sentiments. I said, on the case of morals "Biafra" should be celebrated, even re-enacted in cinema's but only to honor the memory of the dead and not to be used as tool for public effect and gaining sentiments from vulnerable populations.
Do you know the meaning of chronological?   I trashed your baseless points and you're here grappling with straws 1)You made a constitution to seem a rigid document... I proved you wrong and you wanna shift to them going for amendment of Nigeria's Constitution. smh ...For what use and purpose? Did they tell you they wanna still he part of the Union? Quit if you have nothing tangible to say...They want quits!!! 2)Which world didn't know? Or you ignorantly spew stuffs here? Did those who fought to Ore, defeated Mid Western Nigeria protecting which community? Those who came to confront soldiers in different war zones and fronts? Stop being ridiculous man....So whose community are they protecting today since the agitation is still very much alive? 3) Maybe you use words you don't understand their meaning... kindly read your initial statement and compare with what you have here... I take you on based on your words bro...don't sound discordant here because it irritates me...Biafra is very much alive and active...get it into cinemas to keep it alive in your memories too though it is giving you sleepless nights already  3 Likes |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by AlPeter: 9:47am On Sep 24, 2016 |
Xtopher123:
For the Red Text - Don't you think that's unfair to human, I mean 2 or more People owned an institution and they had an agreement not to breakup and later one or some of them later found out that the agreement is not favouring them, do you now say because there was an initial agreement then there shouldn't be an amendment to such agreement or there shouldn't be a breakup if the person or people are not comfortable with the agreement anymore..
I'm just trying to bring this down to lay man terms..
For your 2nd Reason, there was a call for referendum but that call was not granted and so Biafrans were forced to do what every Man would do.. *Fight for Freedom*
So are you trying to say Nigerians don't want to loose more lives that's why they're against the call by the same People that lost their lives in the initial fight? Well, The Igbos were the ones we supported the removal of any clause for secession Awolowo and co were threatened with treason to drop the issue, imagine a few years later they were the ones calling for it. the first time there was no call for referendum, Ojukwu jumped the gun and declared Biafra. The guy you quoted has valid points no reason trying to discredit him, by giving some unrelated examples. The Igbos have legislators and the likes let them table their issue according to law. Am I against Biafra actualization YES. Why? Because am a patriot. I love my country and the people despite our differences. Its annoying that a few disgruntled elements are trying to push so many people into a situation that might lead to their death. I have Igbo friends and friends from SS that I love so much that I would advise to stay away from Biafra for the first 5 to 10yrs because I am sure even if Biafra is given today peacefully within the first 2yrs their will be war. Why? Greed. The same reason their's a call for secession. The East is already filled with weapons imagine the withdrawal of the security forces from a region as volatile as the east with so much weapon in circulation imagine the chaos that will ensued from trying to create a new one to replace it, tell me if some silly folks with muscle for brains won't try to cash in. Then come to the level of politics with the likes of the politicians and top men in the east like Urji and his likes grapping and jostling for power. Do you think their will be peace? Are the Igbos being Marginalized in Nigeria? Lol, that's the stupidest thing to say go all over the nation and you'll find them doing business buying properties, setting up communities everywhere without anyone disturbing or harassing them. Tell me why are they calling for secession?. |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by HisSexcellency(m): 10:10am On Sep 24, 2016 |
AlPeter:
Well, The Igbos were the ones we supported the removal of any clause for secession Awolowo and co were threatened with treason to drop the issue, imagine a few years later they were the ones calling for it. the first time there was no call for referendum, Ojukwu jumped the gun and declared Biafra. The guy you quoted has valid points no reason trying to discredit him, by giving some unrelated examples. The Igbos have legislators and the likes let them table their issue according to law. Am I against Biafra actualization YES. Why? Because am a patriot. I love my country and the people despite our differences. Its annoying that a few disgruntled elements are trying to push so many people into a situation that might lead to their death. I have Igbo friends and friends from SS that I love so much that I would advise to stay away from Biafra for the first 5 to 10yrs because I am sure even if Biafra is given today peacefully within the first 2yrs their will be war. Why? Greed. The same reason their's a call for secession. The East is already filled with weapons imagine the withdrawal of the security forces from a region as volatile as the east with so much weapon in circulation imagine the chaos that will ensued from trying to create a new one to replace it, tell me if some silly folks with muscle for brains won't try to cash in. Then come to the level of politics with the likes of the politicians and top men in the east like Urji and his likes grapping and jostling for power. Do you think their will be peace? Are the Igbos being Marginalized in Nigeria? Lol, that's the stupidest thing to say go all over the nation and you'll find them doing business buying properties, setting up communities everywhere without anyone disturbing or harassing them. Tell me why are they calling for secession?. I don't get why you are crying more than the bereaved here. The issue of biafra is similar to that of the israelites in egypt, when pharaoh was asked to let them go. The objection of the egyptian was not out of love for the jews but for selfish gains. The israelites were suffering and smiling in egypt just like the situation is today in nigeria, but they remained put in egypt until a "moses" came, even when they never knew they would spend 40years in the wilderness, fight wars along their part, cross the red sea, they were all ready and willing to take that journey out of egypt. Here is a biafra calling to leave nigeria, it might not be rosy when biafra gains indepedence, they may have to battle economic and political instabilities. But let the will of the people prevail, israelites are better off today. If the government are sincere let there be a referendum just like UK did few months back, if the people want to go let preparations be made to effect that, but if majority wants to stay then that would put an end to all these disttractions 2 Likes |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by AlPeter: 11:55am On Sep 24, 2016 |
HisSexcellency:
I don't get why you are crying more than the bereaved here. The issue of biafra is similar to that of the israelites in egypt, when pharaoh was asked to let them go. The objection of the egyptian was not out of love for the jews but for selfish gains.
The israelites were suffering and smiling in egypt just like the situation is today in nigeria, but they remained put in egypt until a "moses" came, even when they never knew they would spend 40years in the wilderness, fight wars along their part, cross the red sea, they were all ready and willing to take that journey out of egypt.
Here is a biafra calling to leave nigeria, it might not be rosy when biafra gains indepedence, they may have to battle economic and political instabilities. But let the will of the people prevail, israelites are better off today.
If the government are sincere let there be a referendum just like UK did few months back, if the people want to go let preparations be made to effect that, but if majority wants to stay then that would put an end to all these disttractions oga, there's no correlation between biafra and your so called examples. Israelites were taken as slaves and treated as such! They were an alien race that came to egypt and were given a small part like the fulanis in jos. British referendum was carried out by the British, for the British and empowered by the British. After the referendum the BRITISH GOVERNMENT will push to leave the EU. No they didn't go about shouting, insulting and threatening every other country in the EU. Have given my reasons stop being a mind reader telling what is on my mind |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Nobody: 12:49pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Whynotthetruth:
1)Law is made for Man and not man for law...Have you ever wondered why there's room for Constitution amendment? And do you know that whoever makes peaceful change impossible by chance has made violent change inevitable? Do we have provisions for state creations at independence in our Constitution? how come we now have 36states today?
2)If Igbo & other tribes were forced to become Biafrans... kindly tell us from which nation, those VERY BRAVE young men who confronted Nigeria military with sticks and bare hands came? How come they heroworshipped Ojukwu till death? How come the agitation refused to die years after such deaths? How come the agitation is gaining momentum daily? What is feeding this ideology today if it was anti-people as you said?
3)If we are to shift to morality...Then on what moral ground, should Nigeria(SW & North) confront a people they so much denigrate for cohabitation now? On what moral ground, should Yoruba want a union with a people they celebrated and still celebrates their massacre? On what moral ground, should northeners cohabit with a group they see as greedy, intolerant, pompous and arrogant? On what moral ground, should SW seek Union with a group they see as land usurpers, and ingrates? On what moral ground, should Buhari or any Nigerian leader expect loyalty from a group they disgust & derogatorily refer to as 5%?
Nigeria has NO COGENT REASON or JUSTIFICATION for holding Igbo back here...except for selfish considerations!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by unclejb2(m): 12:54pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Xtopher123:
In as much as I agree with someone of your valid point, but then "A Supposed Biafran" was at the helm of affairs for 6 years and still he couldn't change the course as to what the bolded text specified, and don't you think it'll still be the same story when this said independence is granted? what you just wrote, is it a reason why Biafra should not come? Tell Biafrans what they stand to benefit from staying in Nigeria and not the useless crap you just typed |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Alcatraz003: 1:57pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
AlPeter:
Well, The Igbos were the ones we supported the removal of any clause for secession Awolowo and co were threatened with treason to drop the issue, imagine a few years later they were the ones calling for it. the first time there was no call for referendum, Ojukwu jumped the gun and declared Biafra. The guy you quoted has valid points no reason trying to discredit him, by giving some unrelated examples. The Igbos have legislators and the likes let them table their issue according to law. Am I against Biafra actualization YES. Why? Because am a patriot. I love my country and the people despite our differences. Its annoying that a few disgruntled elements are trying to push so many people into a situation that might lead to their death. I have Igbo friends and friends from SS that I love so much that I would advise to stay away from Biafra for the first 5 to 10yrs because I am sure even if Biafra is given today peacefully within the first 2yrs their will be war. Why? Greed. The same reason their's a call for secession. The East is already filled with weapons imagine the withdrawal of the security forces from a region as volatile as the east with so much weapon in circulation imagine the chaos that will ensued from trying to create a new one to replace it, tell me if some silly folks with muscle for brains won't try to cash in. Then come to the level of politics with the likes of the politicians and top men in the east like Urji and his likes grapping and jostling for power. Do you think their will be peace? Are the Igbos being Marginalized in Nigeria? Lol, that's the stupidest thing to say go all over the nation and you'll find them doing business buying properties, setting up communities everywhere without anyone disturbing or harassing them. Tell me why are they calling for secession?. If you are a Yoruba man, i am sorry to affirm that you are a very foolish man. What is your business with Igbos or SS people? You claim to love them but the truth is that you do not know much. The bloodshed you are trying to avert in the proposed biafra will eventually take place in yoruba land if the Igbos are not released. The igbos are land grabbers and day wage a war against yoruba on our land. is it not better to let them go now that they want to leave than hold them down and see them destroy is from within? The igbos hate the yorubas and Nigeria with so much ferocity and intencity and you think it will be peaceful forever after? Its time to grant them their country and enjoy peaceful diplomatic ties thereafter with visas been issued. What i want you to know is that the yorubas have just as many secessionist elements as the igbos if not more but we are more level headed and have considerable level of foresight than our counterparts. If the igbos are forced to stay, they will wreck irreparable damage on the yoruba heartland due primarily to the ignorance and myopia of people like you who choose to risk the lives of millions of people of both tribes because of friendship with some igbos and SS. As a Nigerian, i have igbo friends too and we tolerate each other but recognise that we are basically not the same. Hence, i am not aversed to the peaceful cessation for the igbo people. You spoke of being a patriot and all and i shake my head at your folly because we all know that Nigeria is as ably posited by obafemi awolowo, "a mere geographical expression". We are yet to attain nationhood and i am afraid we will never attain it as we are basically different people. The hausas know this and that is why they have been able to chase away the igbos and carve out a caliphate for themselves in the north. The only snag for the north is that unfortunately the oil wealth is found in the south and they need the monthly allocations like a crack addict needs his daily fix of cocaine. This is why the north is fiercely against restructuring this country to enthrone true and enduring federalism. We yorubas are very lucky as we have the sea at our backyard in lagos, we have arable farmlands which we can use for massive investment in agriculture, we just discovered oil in lagos (though in negligible quantity) and the most important of all, productive, innovative and competitive himan resources to enable us succeed. We have grown into a highly tolerant society with little incidence of religious skirmishes. I then wonder why we should stop the Igbos from going? pray tell. The Igbos have become a huge strain on our backs as we accommodate them in the millions in our land of which they enjoy boundless to trade without let or hinderance to our ultimate detriment. What have we gained from all our hospitality to the igbos? hate and sabotage from within which reached a crescendo in the last elections in Lagos. In conclusion, its time yorubas think about the future of the tribe and guard its progress jealously lest these same Igbos will wage a war of attrition against us when they have a foothold in our land. As can be seen from lagos which they call a no man's land, it is not hard to see what their ultimate aim is. I am for Biafra to avert an impending bloodbath in yoruba land in the not so distant future if we continue to oppose their agitations. Igbos have already been defeated in the north. The next battle ground is yoruba land which stands the risk of conquest if yorubas dont act fast. LET IGBOS TO FORM BIAFRA YORUBA RONU. 3 Likes |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Xtopher123(m): 2:03pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
unclejb2:
what you just wrote, is it a reason why Biafra should not come? Tell Biafrans what they stand to benefit from staying in Nigeria and not the useless crap you just typed Please if you have something reasonable to say don't hesitate to do so, else please stand by the side and read.. |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by AlPeter: 2:38pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Alcatraz003:
If you are a Yoruba man, i am sorry to affirm that you are a very foolish man. What is your business with Igbos or SS people? You claim to love them but the truth is that you do not know much. The bloodshed you are trying to avert in the proposed biafra will eventually take place in yoruba land if the Igbos are not released. The igbos are land grabbers and day wage a war against yoruba on our land. is it not better to let them go now that they want to leave than hold them down and see them destroy is from within?
The igbos hate the yorubas and Nigeria with so much ferocity and intencity and you think it will be peaceful forever after? Its time to grant them their country and enjoy peaceful diplomatic ties thereafter with visas been issued. What i want you to know is that the yorubas have just as many secessionist elements as the igbos if not more but we are more level headed and have considerable level of foresight than our counterparts. If the igbos are forced to stay, they will wreck irreparable damage on the yoruba heartland due primarily to the ignorance and myopia of people like you who choose to risk the lives of millions of people of both tribes because of friendship with some igbos and SS. As a Nigerian, i have igbo friends too and we tolerate each other but recognise that we are basically not the same. Hence, i am not aversed to the peaceful cessation for the igbo people.
You spoke of being a patriot and all and i shake my head at your folly because we all know that Nigeria is as ably posited by obafemi awolowo, "a mere geographical expression". We are yet to attain nationhood and i am afraid we will never attain it as we are basically different people. The hausas know this and that is why they have been able to chase away the igbos and carve out a caliphate for themselves in the north. The only snag for the north is that unfortunately the oil wealth is found in the south and they need the monthly allocations like a crack addict needs his daily fix of cocaine. This is why the north is fiercely against restructuring this country to enthrone true and enduring federalism.
We yorubas are very lucky as we have the sea at our backyard in lagos, we have arable farmlands which we can use for massive investment in agriculture, we just discovered oil in lagos (though in negligible quantity) and the most important of all, productive, innovative and competitive himan resources to enable us succeed. We have grown into a highly tolerant society with little incidence of religious skirmishes. I then wonder why we should stop the Igbos from going? pray tell. The Igbos have become a huge strain on our backs as we accommodate them in the millions in our land of which they enjoy boundless to trade without let or hinderance to our ultimate detriment. What have we gained from all our hospitality to the igbos? hate and sabotage from within which reached a crescendo in the last elections in Lagos.
In conclusion, its time yorubas think about the future of the tribe and guard its progress jealously lest these same Igbos will wage a war of attrition against us when they have a foothold in our land. As can be seen from lagos which they call a no man's land, it is not hard to see what their ultimate aim is.
I am for Biafra to avert an impending bloodbath in yoruba land in the not so distant future if we continue to oppose their agitations. Igbos have already been defeated in the north. The next battle ground is yoruba land which stands the risk of conquest if yorubas dont act fast.
LET IGBOS TO FORM BIAFRA
YORUBA RONU.
what kinda folly is this? Like are you high? lol. The fact that you put so much emphasis on yoruba shows that YOU ARE NOT YORUBA. Did I even mention yoruba in my earlier post? The next battle is yoruba land? Abeg, wetin be yoruba land? Explain. You are so pathetic! Gosh. If you hate the yorubas, oga good for you and God bless you. |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by HurtgenForest: 2:41pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Alcatraz003:
If you are a Yoruba man, i am sorry to affirm that you are a very foolish man. What is your business with Igbos or SS people? You claim to love them but the truth is that you do not know much. The bloodshed you are trying to avert in the proposed biafra will eventually take place in yoruba land if the Igbos are not released. The igbos are land grabbers and day wage a war against yoruba on our land. is it not better to let them go now that they want to leave than hold them down and see them destroy is from within?
The igbos hate the yorubas and Nigeria with so much ferocity and intencity and you think it will be peaceful forever after? Its time to grant them their country and enjoy peaceful diplomatic ties thereafter with visas been issued. What i want you to know is that the yorubas have just as many secessionist elements as the igbos if not more but we are more level headed and have considerable level of foresight than our counterparts. If the igbos are forced to stay, they will wreck irreparable damage on the yoruba heartland due primarily to the ignorance and myopia of people like you who choose to risk the lives of millions of people of both tribes because of friendship with some igbos and SS. As a Nigerian, i have igbo friends too and we tolerate each other but recognise that we are basically not the same. Hence, i am not aversed to the peaceful cessation for the igbo people.
You spoke of being a patriot and all and i shake my head at your folly because we all know that Nigeria is as ably posited by obafemi awolowo, "a mere geographical expression". We are yet to attain nationhood and i am afraid we will never attain it as we are basically different people. The hausas know this and that is why they have been able to chase away the igbos and carve out a caliphate for themselves in the north. The only snag for the north is that unfortunately the oil wealth is found in the south and they need the monthly allocations like a crack addict needs his daily fix of cocaine. This is why the north is fiercely against restructuring this country to enthrone true and enduring federalism.
We yorubas are very lucky as we have the sea at our backyard in lagos, we have arable farmlands which we can use for massive investment in agriculture, we just discovered oil in lagos (though in negligible quantity) and the most important of all, productive, innovative and competitive himan resources to enable us succeed. We have grown into a highly tolerant society with little incidence of religious skirmishes. I then wonder why we should stop the Igbos from going? pray tell. The Igbos have become a huge strain on our backs as we accommodate them in the millions in our land of which they enjoy boundless to trade without let or hinderance to our ultimate detriment. What have we gained from all our hospitality to the igbos? hate and sabotage from within which reached a crescendo in the last elections in Lagos.
In conclusion, its time yorubas think about the future of the tribe and guard its progress jealously lest these same Igbos will wage a war of attrition against us when they have a foothold in our land. As can be seen from lagos which they call a no man's land, it is not hard to see what their ultimate aim is.
I am for Biafra to avert an impending bloodbath in yoruba land in the not so distant future if we continue to oppose their agitations. Igbos have already been defeated in the north. The next battle ground is yoruba land which stands the risk of conquest if yorubas dont act fast.
LET IGBOS TO FORM BIAFRA
YORUBA RONU.
[size=20pt]YORUBAS ARE THE PROBLEM WITH NIGERIA SAYS SANUSI LAMIDO SANUSI[/size] The Yoruba political leadership, as mentioned by Balarabe Musa, has shown itself over the years to be incapable of rising above narrow tribal interests and reciprocating goodwill from other sections of the country by treating other groups with respect. Practically every crisis in Nigeria since independence has its roots in this attitude. The Yoruba elite and area-boy politics; Igbo marginalisation and the responsible limits of retribution; and The Yoruba Factor and “Area-boy” Politics. My views on the Yoruba political leadership have been thoroughly articulated in some of my writings, prime among which was ” Afenifere: Syllabus of Errors” published by This Day (The Sunday Newspaper) on Sept 27, 1998. There was also an earlier publication in the weekly Trust entitled ” The Igbo, the Yoruba and History” (Aug. 21, 1998). In sum, the Yoruba political leadership, as mentioned by Balarabe Musa, has shown itself over the years to be incapable of rising above narrow tribal interests and reciprocating goodwill from other sections of the country by treating other groups with respect. Practically every crisis in Nigeria since independence has its roots in this attitude. The Yoruba elite were the first, in 1962, to attempt a violent overthrow of an elected government in this country. In 1966, it was the violence in the West which provided an avenue for the putsch of 15th January. After Chief Awolowo lost to Shagari in 1983 elections, it was the discontent and bad publicity in the South-West which led to the Buhari intervention. When Buhari jailed UPN governors like Ige and Onabanjo, the South-Western press castigated that good government and provided the right mood for IBB to take over power. As soon as IBB cleared UPN governors of charges against them in a politically motivated retrial, he became the darling of the South-West. When IBB annulled the primaries in which Adamu Ciroma and Shehu Yar Adua emerged as presidential candidates in the NRC and SDP, he was hailed by the South-West. When the same man annulled the June 12, 1993 elections in which Abiola was the front-runner, the South-West now became defenders of democracy. When it seemed Sani Abacha was sympathetic to Abiola, the South-West supported his take-over. He was in fact invited by a prominent NADECO member to take over in a published letter shortly before the event. Even though Abiola had won the elections in the North, the North was blamed for its annulment. When Abdulsalam Abubakar started his transition, the Yoruba political leadership through NADECO presented a memorandum on a Government of National Unity that showed complete disrespect for the intelligence and liberties of other Nigerians. Subsequently, they formed a tribal party which failed to meet minimum requirements for registration, but was registered all the same to avoid the violence that was bound to follow non-registration, given the area-boy mentality of South-West politicians. Having rejected an Obasanjo candidacy and challenged the election as a fraud in court, we now find a leading member of the AD in the government, a daughter of an Afenifere leader as Minister of State, and Awolowo´s daughter as Ambassador, all appointed by a man who won the election through fraud. Meanwhile, nothing has been negotiated for the children of Abiola, the focus of Yoruba political activity. In return for these favours, the AD solidly voted for Evan Enwerem as Senate President. This is a man who participated in the two-million- man March for Abacha´s self-succession. He also is reputed to have hosted a meeting of governors during IBB´s transition, demanding that June 12 elections should never be de-annulled and threatening that the East would go to war if this was done. When Ibrahim Salisu Buhari was accused of swearing to a false affidavit, the Yoruba political elite correctly took up the gauntlet for his resignation. When an AD governor, Bola Tinubu, swears to a false affidavit that he attended an Ivy League University which he did not attend, we hear excuses. For so many years, the Yoruba have inundated this country with stories of being marginalised and of a civil service dominated by northerners through quota system. The Federal Character Commission has recently released a report which shows that the South-West accounts for 27.8% of civil servants in the range GL08 to GL14 and a full 29.5% of GL 15 and above. One zone out of six zones controls a full 30% of the civil service leaving the other five zones to share the remaining 70%. We find the same story in the economy, in academia, in parastatals. Yet in spite of being so dominant, the Yoruba complained and complained of marginalization. Of recent, in recognition of the trauma which hit the South-West after June 12, the rest of the country forced everyone out of the race to ensure that a South-Westerner emerged, often against the best advice of political activists. Instead of leading a path of reconciliation and strong appreciation, the Yoruba have embarked on short-sighted triumphalism, threatening other “nationalities” that they ( who after all lost the election) will protect Obasanjo ( who was forced on them). No less a person than Bola Ige has made such utterances. To further show that they were in charge, they led a cult into the Hausa area of Sagamu, murdered a Hausa woman and nothing happened. In the violence that followed, they killed several Hausa residents, with Yoruba leaders like Segun Osoba, reminding Nigerians of the need to respect the culture of their host communities. This would have continued were it not for the people of Kano who showed that they could also create their own Oro who would only be appeased through the shedding of innocent Yoruba blood. I say all this, to support Balarabe Musa´s statement, that the greatest problem to nation-building in Nigeria are the Yoruba Bourgeoisie. I say this also to underscore my point that until they change this attitude, no conference can solve the problems of Nigeria. We cannot move forward if the leadership of one of the largest ethnic groups continues to operate, not like statesmen, but like common area boys. iii.The Igbo Factor and the Reasonable Limits of Retribution. The Igbo people of Nigeria have made a mark in the history of this nation. They led the first successful military coup which eliminated the Military and Political leaders of other regions while letting off Igbo leaders. Nwafor Orizu, then Senate President, in consultation with President Azikiwe, subverted the constitution and handed over power to Aguiyi-Ironsi. Subsequent developments, including attempts at humiliating other peoples, led to the counter-coup and later the civil war. The Igbos themselves must acknowledge that they have a large part of the blame for shattering the unity of this country. Having said that, this nation must realise that Igbos have more than paid for their foolishness. They have been defeated in war, rendered paupers by monetary policy fiat, their properties declared abandoned and confiscated, kept out of strategic public sector appointments and deprived of public services. The rest of the country forced them to remain in Nigeria and has continued to deny them equity. The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have conspired to keep the Igbo out of the scheme of things. In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda. Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman´s agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before. The Igbos have taken all these quietly because, they reason, they brought it upon themselves. But the nation is sitting on a time-bomb. After the First World War, the victors treated Germany with the same contempt Nigeria is treating Igbos. Two decades later, there was a Second World War, far costlier than the first. Germany was again defeated, but this time, they won a more honourable peace. Our present political leaders have no sense of History. There is a new Igbo man, who was not born in 1966 and neither knows nor cares about Nzeogwu and Ojukwu. There are Igbo men on the street who were never Biafrans. They were born Nigerians, are Nigerians, but suffer because of actions of earlier generations. They will soon decide that it is better to fight their own war, and may be find an honourable peace, than to remain in this contemptible state in perpetuity. The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have exacted their pound of flesh from the Igbos. For one Sardauna, one Tafawa Balewa, one Akintola and one Okotie-Eboh, hundreds of thousands have died and suffered. If this issue is not addressed immediately, no conference will solve Nigeria´s problems. By Sanusi Lamido Sanusi. Being Excerpts from A Paper Presented At The “National Conference On The 1999 Constitution” Jointly Organised By The Network For Justice And The Vision Trust Foundation, At The Arewa House, Kaduna From 11th –12th September, 1999. http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/yorubas-are-the-problem-with-nigeria-says-sanusi-lamido-sanusi/ |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by kernel504(m): 3:08pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
BiafraudExposed:
That means u don't follow my profile... I give countless reasons...
Igbo's love money. check my last post video to see Oyigbo market. Still busy...
I have a video my mom was charged 25k for tinted permit by a fellow Igbo man...
2. Autocratic rule check my prt2
3. Christianity destruction check my prt1
4. Stealing contributions. If Biafra comes it will even be the worse because the cownu himself has nothing to show for the contributions... Till now.
5. Eco centric... Kanu said on my part 2 so clear that he doesn't deal with people who are poor..
Guess his reason that they can't pay his hotel bills and flight so what is the use...
If I lie in any of my claim let me die. And if u don't believe go to YouTube search my name watch my part 1 and 2 and u will find those audios...
Biafra is rudderless I must speak the truth Sometimes I feel for you greatly. Been obsessed with the term Biafra is your highest undoing. How does agitation for independence kill the man in you? We are not friends or brothers, we both hate ourselves... Understandably. Why fighting to have your worthless enemies with you, are lying or crazy? 2 Likes |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by kernel504(m): 3:25pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
LoveDecay:
The Biafran Issue can be analysed on three levels , nationally, regionally and internationally.
Nationally:
1 Nigeria has a constitution and it recommends or suggests how certain issue should be handled. The constitution is the bedrock and framework of how this sovereign nation should be run. The Nigerian constitution has no provision for cessation, restructuring or "breaking away".
You can see the constitutional recommendations on "new states and boundaries" here http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm#Powers_of_Federal_Republic_of_Nigeria
We don't have any provisions for new countries or nations. So, this is the first issue Biafra must contend with.
2 Secondly, on the case of morals. Biafra first uprise was tainted with the death of millions of Nigerians, whom were forced to become Biafrans - when no vote/referendum was carried out. Did Ojukwu consult with the masses on the issue of cessation ? Did he receive wide support from the masses ? Millions died yet Ojukwu lived a full life with one of the most beautiful women in this nation - Ojukwu escaped the repercussion of his cessation campaign unscathed, yet others died.
On the case of morals, Biafra as an idea is very much significant in history, however this is for the lives lost and not for that which was never achieved.
Anyone who seeks to re-awaken such a cause which may lead to loss of lives, should expect widespread rebuke, logjam, gridlock and constriction. Is Nigeria not a member of United Nation, meaning they are bided by UN treaties. Under UN charter, a people have a right to self-determination. http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/So... What's your point? Are you saying UK doesn't have constitution, allowing Scotland a referendum. 2 Likes |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by GMbuharii: 3:29pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
AlPeter:
Well, The Igbos were the ones we supported the removal of any clause for secession Awolowo and co were threatened with treason to drop the issue, imagine a few years later they were the ones calling for it. the first time there was no call for referendum, Ojukwu jumped the gun and declared Biafra. The guy you quoted has valid points no reason trying to discredit him, by giving some unrelated examples. The Igbos have legislators and the likes let them table their issue according to law. Am I against Biafra actualization YES. Why? Because am a patriot. I love my country and the people despite our differences. Its annoying that a few disgruntled elements are trying to push so many people into a situation that might lead to their death. I have Igbo friends and friends from SS that I love so much that I would advise to stay away from Biafra for the first 5 to 10yrs because I am sure even if Biafra is given today peacefully within the first 2yrs their will be war. Why? Greed. The same reason their's a call for secession. The East is already filled with weapons imagine the withdrawal of the security forces from a region as volatile as the east with so much weapon in circulation imagine the chaos that will ensued from trying to create a new one to replace it, tell me if some silly folks with muscle for brains won't try to cash in. Then come to the level of politics with the likes of the politicians and top men in the east like Urji and his likes grapping and jostling for power. Do you think their will be peace? Are the Igbos being Marginalized in Nigeria? Lol, that's the stupidest thing to say go all over the nation and you'll find them doing business buying properties, setting up communities everywhere without anyone disturbing or harassing them. Tell me why are they calling for secession?.
complete thrash.. I am niger deltan and we hate this type of nigeria... If you,as a so called patriotic nigerian,are quiet over the parasites against true federalism,resource control,regionalism,restructuring,PIB, but are here criticising ppl who are fed up for decades and wanna seek out their own destiny themselves,then to HELL WITH YOU AND YOUR BLOODY NIGERIA..WE WILL NOT CLAIM TO BE PATRIOT AND AT THE SAME TIME BE LIKE DEAD PEOPLE AND LEAVE UNCERTAINTY FOR OUR GENERATIONS. 4K THIS HELL HOLE. 4K THE BLOODY CONSTITUTION, OUR FATHERS WERE NOT THERE WHEN IT WAS BEING DRAFTED. WE SHALL OVERCOME AND SHALL BE FREE. VIVA! VIVA!! VIVA!!! 1 Like |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by GMbuharii: 3:45pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Alcatraz003:
If you are a Yoruba man, i am sorry to affirm that you are a very foolish man. What is your business with Igbos or SS people? You claim to love them but the truth is that you do not know much. The bloodshed you are trying to avert in the proposed biafra will eventually take place in yoruba land if the Igbos are not released. The igbos are land grabbers and day wage a war against yoruba on our land. is it not better to let them go now that they want to leave than hold them down and see them destroy is from within?
The igbos hate the yorubas and Nigeria with so much ferocity and intencity and you think it will be peaceful forever after? Its time to grant them their country and enjoy peaceful diplomatic ties thereafter with visas been issued. What i want you to know is that the yorubas have just as many secessionist elements as the igbos if not more but we are more level headed and have considerable level of foresight than our counterparts. If the igbos are forced to stay, they will wreck irreparable damage on the yoruba heartland due primarily to the ignorance and myopia of people like you who choose to risk the lives of millions of people of both tribes because of friendship with some igbos and SS. As a Nigerian, i have igbo friends too and we tolerate each other but recognise that we are basically not the same. Hence, i am not aversed to the peaceful cessation for the igbo people.
You spoke of being a patriot and all and i shake my head at your folly because we all know that Nigeria is as ably posited by obafemi awolowo, "a mere geographical expression". We are yet to attain nationhood and i am afraid we will never attain it as we are basically different people. The hausas know this and that is why they have been able to chase away the igbos and carve out a caliphate for themselves in the north. The only snag for the north is that unfortunately the oil wealth is found in the south and they need the monthly allocations like a crack addict needs his daily fix of cocaine. This is why the north is fiercely against restructuring this country to enthrone true and enduring federalism.
We yorubas are very lucky as we have the sea at our backyard in lagos, we have arable farmlands which we can use for massive investment in agriculture, we just discovered oil in lagos (though in negligible quantity) and the most important of all, productive, innovative and competitive himan resources to enable us succeed. We have grown into a highly tolerant society with little incidence of religious skirmishes. I then wonder why we should stop the Igbos from going? pray tell. The Igbos have become a huge strain on our backs as we accommodate them in the millions in our land of which they enjoy boundless to trade without let or hinderance to our ultimate detriment. What have we gained from all our hospitality to the igbos? hate and sabotage from within which reached a crescendo in the last elections in Lagos.
In conclusion, its time yorubas think about the future of the tribe and guard its progress jealously lest these same Igbos will wage a war of attrition against us when they have a foothold in our land. As can be seen from lagos which they call a no man's land, it is not hard to see what their ultimate aim is.
I am for Biafra to avert an impending bloodbath in yoruba land in the not so distant future if we continue to oppose their agitations. Igbos have already been defeated in the north. The next battle ground is yoruba land which stands the risk of conquest if yorubas dont act fast.
LET IGBOS TO FORM BIAFRA
YORUBA RONU.
God bless you,brother.. I am Edo and a pro Biafra. If Biafra materialises today i am off to the straight. I will not be in a land where i cannot develop at my own pace but have to wait for monthly handouts from the fg govt,handouts that belongs to me,in the 1st place. COALITION OF OODUA SELF EMANCIPATION GROUP (COSEG). Most yorubas do not know about this. 1 Like |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by AlPeter: 5:51pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
GMbuharii:
complete thrash.. I am niger deltan and we hate this type of nigeria... If you,as a so called patriotic nigerian,are quiet over the parasites against true federalism,resource control,regionalism,restructuring,PIB, but are here criticising ppl who are fed up for decades and wanna seek out their own destiny themselves,then to HELL WITH YOU AND YOUR BLOODY NIGERIA..WE WILL NOT CLAIM TO BE PATRIOT AND AT THE SAME TIME BE LIKE DEAD PEOPLE AND LEAVE UNCERTAINTY FOR OUR GENERATIONS. 4K THIS HELL HOLE. 4K THE BLOODY CONSTITUTION, OUR FATHERS WERE NOT THERE WHEN IT WAS BEING DRAFTED. WE SHALL OVERCOME AND SHALL BE FREE. VIVA! VIVA!! VIVA!!! we are saying B you are talking Z. Do you even know what Federalism and resource control means? Or do you think it will stop the Amaechis, Orji Uzors, Alameisias, Okorochas, Jonathans, Iboris, etc for stealing you blind. Abeg shift. |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by GMbuharii: 6:00pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
AlPeter:
we are saying B you are talking Z. Do you even know what Federalism and resource control means? Or do you think it will stop the Amaechis, Orji Uzors, Alameisias, Okorochas, Jonathans, Iboris, etc for stealing you blind. Abeg shift.
that should be our problem to handle.... I dont need to explain what true fed or resource control means to you cos zoogerians and parasites cringe at those terms,they hate it..they hate PIB as well...they will never allow it at the Nass.... So gbagbè. we have already shifted and wanna shift away,away from you all nigerians for good. Pls pls pls,you nigerians shud pls stop preventing us from shifting. 1 Like |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by ElCount: 6:05pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Alcatraz003:
If you are a Yoruba man, i am sorry to affirm that you are a very foolish man. What is your business with Igbos or SS people? You claim to love them but the truth is that you do not know much. The bloodshed you are trying to avert in the proposed biafra will eventually take place in yoruba land if the Igbos are not released. The igbos are land grabbers and day wage a war against yoruba on our land. is it not better to let them go now that they want to leave than hold them down and see them destroy is from within?
The igbos hate the yorubas and Nigeria with so much ferocity and intencity and you think it will be peaceful forever after? Its time to grant them their country and enjoy peaceful diplomatic ties thereafter with visas been issued. What i want you to know is that the yorubas have just as many secessionist elements as the igbos if not more but we are more level headed and have considerable level of foresight than our counterparts. If the igbos are forced to stay, they will wreck irreparable damage on the yoruba heartland due primarily to the ignorance and myopia of people like you who choose to risk the lives of millions of people of both tribes because of friendship with some igbos and SS. As a Nigerian, i have igbo friends too and we tolerate each other but recognise that we are basically not the same. Hence, i am not aversed to the peaceful cessation for the igbo people.
You spoke of being a patriot and all and i shake my head at your folly because we all know that Nigeria is as ably posited by obafemi awolowo, "a mere geographical expression". We are yet to attain nationhood and i am afraid we will never attain it as we are basically different people. The hausas know this and that is why they have been able to chase away the igbos and carve out a caliphate for themselves in the north. The only snag for the north is that unfortunately the oil wealth is found in the south and they need the monthly allocations like a crack addict needs his daily fix of cocaine. This is why the north is fiercely against restructuring this country to enthrone true and enduring federalism.
We yorubas are very lucky as we have the sea at our backyard in lagos, we have arable farmlands which we can use for massive investment in agriculture, we just discovered oil in lagos (though in negligible quantity) and the most important of all, productive, innovative and competitive himan resources to enable us succeed. We have grown into a highly tolerant society with little incidence of religious skirmishes. I then wonder why we should stop the Igbos from going? pray tell. The Igbos have become a huge strain on our backs as we accommodate them in the millions in our land of which they enjoy boundless to trade without let or hinderance to our ultimate detriment. What have we gained from all our hospitality to the igbos? hate and sabotage from within which reached a crescendo in the last elections in Lagos.
In conclusion, its time yorubas think about the future of the tribe and guard its progress jealously lest these same Igbos will wage a war of attrition against us when they have a foothold in our land. As can be seen from lagos which they call a no man's land, it is not hard to see what their ultimate aim is.
I am for Biafra to avert an impending bloodbath in yoruba land in the not so distant future if we continue to oppose their agitations. Igbos have already been defeated in the north. The next battle ground is yoruba land which stands the risk of conquest if yorubas dont act fast.
LET IGBOS TO FORM BIAFRA
YORUBA RONU.
I don't agree with certain things you said but the bolded shows you understand how a civilized country should be, and if nigerians keep living in denial then its only a matter of time before the country explodes. |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Xtopher123(m): 9:12pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
No one has still answered my question..
Please let's not deviate from the intention of the thread..
Feel free to quote me whenever an answer springs up.. but before then let's keep the conversation sane and reasonable.. |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Xtopher123(m): 1:03pm On Sep 27, 2016 |
It appears no one has an answer to my question.. So why the hate all these while? Why the Insults on people that have decided they want freedom? |
| Re: Here's My Take On IPOB by Xtopher123(m): 6:01am On Oct 06, 2016 |
So o one has got an answer to this huh? |
