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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Chikebrain: 8:52pm On Sep 24, 2016
Ugmama:




when is the next bidding, what rate are you going for and your bank?
I believe in the next two weeks. I should be using access bank hopefully. Going for X for 91 days at 13.70%

Trusting God it pulls through
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Bamz(m): 9:56pm On Sep 24, 2016
Greetings to WinningSun, feelamong and the entire house,

It's been a long while I stepped in here. Nice to know the rates are favorable at this time of the year. I was forced out of tbills partly due to low returns.

Guys, what do you do think the interest rate on 4m for 60 days would be?
Of course this would be secondary market

Thanks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by warchild00: 10:31pm On Sep 24, 2016
45M Property Rent 3m-3.5 Yearly
45M On TBills 356 Tenure @ Min 17% = 7.65m

Please Advice
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by pinkcotton: 10:57pm On Sep 24, 2016
I will please like to know the date for the next bid.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by tunene66: 10:58pm On Sep 24, 2016
warchild00:
45M Property Rent 3m-3.5 Yearly
45M On TBills 356 Tenure @ Min 17% = 7.65m

Please Advice

Note over time property values appreciate n so will rental income. While TBill rates fluctuates either way n d principal value remains constant. The choice is yours

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by godash(m): 3:26am On Sep 25, 2016
Ugmama:
when is the next bidding, what rate are you going for and your bank?

pinkcotton:
I will please like to know the date for the next bid.

Next bid is Oct 5.

Take a look at the auction calendar for the rest of this year at this post

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by godash(m): 4:04am On Sep 25, 2016
warchild00:
45M Property Rent 3m-3.5 Yearly
45M On TBills 356 Tenure @ Min 17% = 7.65m

Please Advice

3m - 3.5m rent is a return on investment of about 7% per year.

TB at the last stop rate of 18.3% for 1 year would have given a return on investment (true yield) of over 21% if the entire 45m was invested upfront. That means 3 years worth of rent at the end of the 1-year tenor.

Remember also, the risk profile is different. For Treasury bill, it's considered risk-free. Like @Tunene66 said, property value and possible rent appreciates. But there can be gaps in the rent and it's not always guaranteed. However, there's tangible value in the pride of ownership especially if it's your first home.

An option is to have the best of both opportunities. While you are working on your building plan and maybe CofO (assuming you've bought land already), you can invest the money and get the ~20% returns per year.

Just my 2 kobo.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by godash(m): 4:24am On Sep 25, 2016
Femiobat:
If one have 2.3 millon in zenith bank and choose a face value of 2.5 millon will the account be debited if the bid is appprorirate with CBN. Since the after discounting the face value the amount to be debited will be less than the money in his /her account.

Can't tell about Zenith but I did just that with GTB.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by godash(m): 4:28am On Sep 25, 2016
Biggybountz:
Champagne Popping!! grin grin grin grin grin First Time Bidder !!!

My Bid through GTB has been successful in this instance as I have seen so many debit alerts come in in the last couple of hours.

I advised the bank to go by their own rate as I have not dictated a rate for them. By my calculations from the amount debited off my account i have computed the rates as:

91days - 12.9%
182days - 16.4 %
365days - 17.4 %

All in all I am happy as I have gone through a lot of pain before these finally come through. At this point, here are my concerns below:

1) What is the proof or evidence that I hold TBs? and they were taken through GTB? as I have not been formally contacted by GTB yet. No documentation whatsoever.

2) How do i know the maturity dates? I have no documentation at all.

3) how do i go about selling them should the need arise?

Thanks to everyone who has contributed here, every contribution has resulted in my successful bid today, I took the pain to read from page 1 and have not regretted doing so. I wish the property section was this informative.

Sorry about the font size. I have tried changing them to small fonts but cant get my way around doing this

Did you get any investment letter from GTB?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by tunene66: 4:46am On Sep 25, 2016
godash:


3m - 3.5m rent is a return on investment of about 7% per year.

TB at the last stop rate of 18.3% for 1 year would have given a return on investment (true yield) of over 21% if the entire 45m was invested upfront. That means 3 years worth of rent at the end of the 1-year tenor.

Remember also, the risk profile is different. For Treasury bill, it's considered risk-free. Like @Tunene66 said, property value and possible rent appreciates. But there can be gaps in the rent and it's not always guaranteed. However, there's tangible value in the pride of ownership especially if it's your first home.

An option is to have the best of both opportunities. While you are working on your building plan and maybe CofO (assuming you've bought land already), you can invest the money and get the ~20% returns per year.

Just my 2 kobo.



Good submission
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by seemples(f): 10:54am On Sep 25, 2016
warchild00:
45M Property Rent 3m-3.5 Yearly
45M On TBills 356 Tenure @ Min 17% = 7.65m

Please Advice

Great pieces of advice given already.

Also, have you considered borrowing that capital from a Fed Mortgage Bank? Their rates are quite low, think 6-8%, which you offset from the TB yield of 18%

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by manie(m): 11:07am On Sep 25, 2016
tunene66:


Note over time property values appreciate n so will rental income. While TBill rates fluctuates either way n d principal value remains constant. The choice is

You can also plough back your interest and compound the return on your TB investment.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Chikebrain: 11:25am On Sep 25, 2016
warchild00:
45M Property Rent 3m-3.5 Yearly
45M On TBills 356 Tenure @ Min 17% = 7.65m

Please Advice
Landed property appreciates over time. I'd advice for landed property
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:45am On Sep 25, 2016
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Reyus: 12:03pm On Sep 25, 2016
warchild00:
45M Property Rent 3m-3.5 Yearly
45M On TBills 356 Tenure @ Min 17% = 7.65m

Please Advice
1. long term 5yrs and above go for landed property better.
2. short term 3yrs and below gor for TBills.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by tunene66: 1:49pm On Sep 25, 2016
manie:


You can also plough back your interest and compound the return on your TB investment.

Yes
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by tunene66: 1:55pm On Sep 25, 2016
joesir:
Pls can I start T-bills with 10k? I already have savings accounts with GTB, UBA, Access and Fidelity Banks. Which of these banks will accept 10k.
Is the next bid starting Oct 5?

Thanks.

Try Access bank, I think it will be accepted. Gonfirm first through the online chat via www.accessbankplc.com
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Abcruz(m): 2:15pm On Sep 25, 2016
seemples:


Great pieces of advice given already.

Also, have you considered borrowing that capital from a Fed Mortgage Bank? Their rates are quite low, think 6-8%, which you offset from the TB yield of 18%
pls, is the 6-8% a yearly interest for federal morgage bank?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by teeboy95: 3:50pm On Sep 25, 2016
seemples:


Great pieces of advice given already.

Also, have you considered borrowing that capital from a Fed Mortgage Bank? Their rates are quite low, think 6-8%, which you offset from the TB yield of 18%

Pls I have a question.. Is it that easy now to borrow capital from Fed Mortgage Bank.. What is the process and procedure like.. thanks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by seemples(f): 4:18pm On Sep 25, 2016
Abcruz:
pls, is the 6-8% a yearly interest for federal morgage bank?

Yes
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by seemples(f): 4:21pm On Sep 25, 2016
teeboy95:


Pls I have a question.. Is it that easy now to borrow capital from Fed Mortgage Bank.. What is the process and procedure like.. thanks

Sorry, not quite certain of the detailed process but inquire directly from them or any mortgage bank.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Femiobat: 8:54pm On Sep 25, 2016
godash:

Can't tell about Zenith but I did just that with GTB.
godash:

Can't tell about Zenith but I did just that with GTB.
Thanks @ godash. A friend bid @ zenith @ the last auction with these kind of scenario infact @ 18.3% but Zenith rejected his bid B/c of the face value. Zenith also only allows 1millon and above for Tbill.
Please those who use zenith bank in the house does it make sense to use Zenith bank considering this constraints, hope there deductions are not massive?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by godash(m): 8:56pm On Sep 25, 2016
Ugmama:
okay. my question is, how do i go about bidding in Zenith bank and if they allow one to bid 500k or must it be 1m and above?

Also how good is eco bank?

I don't have experience with either of those two banks. But then, the government's mandated minimum amount for primary market TB purchases is 100K naira with 1K increments thereafter. But i guess some banks have their own minimum.

From what i've read here, the purchase process usually involves you filing out a form, or providing a written instruction or sending an email instruction. Talk to your account officer but note that sometimes even the account officers dont have the requisite knowledge of the TB process. There are folks on this thread that had to teach their account officers about TBs.

Note also that the fees are different across firms.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by warchild00: 10:52pm On Sep 25, 2016
Is UBA a Good Bank To Deal With
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by tziz(m): 8:15am On Sep 26, 2016
Please when is the next bidding?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by uc198080: 1:51pm On Sep 26, 2016
Please can TB be rolled over?If yes,can one roll from 6months on maturity to 1yr?

What is the process?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 2:54pm On Sep 26, 2016
uc198080:
Please can TB be rolled over?If yes,can one roll from 6months on maturity to 1yr?

What is the process?

Yes it could be rolled over in First bank and probably GTB too but I have only had a personal experience of it in FBN.

The process is quite simple on the form you are given to fill in FBN there are options of rolling over invest and capital or rolling over only capital....etc just tick the one that is OK for you.

Note:
When it expires and the bank bid do not go through the money would be dropped back in ur account till probably the next successful auction.
Hope it helps...
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ihedioramma: 3:04pm On Sep 26, 2016
freeman67:


Yes it could be rolled over in First bank and probably GTB too but I have only had a personal experience of it in FBN.

The process is quite simple on the form you are given to fill in FBN there are options of rolling over invest and capital or rolling over only capital....etc just tick the one that is OK for you.

Note:
When it expires and the bank bid do not go through the money would be dropped back in ur account till probably the next successful auction.
Hope it helps...
Can fbnh take #100,000 in tb sir?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 3:47pm On Sep 26, 2016
ihedioramma:
Can fbnh take #100,000 in tb sir?


Yes Pastor they accept from N100,000 upward.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by uc198080: 4:26pm On Sep 26, 2016
freeman67:


Yes it could be rolled over in First bank and probably GTB too but I have only had a personal experience of it in FBN.

The process is quite simple on the form you are given to fill in FBN there are options of rolling over invest and capital or rolling over only capital....etc just tick the one that is OK for you.

Note:
When it expires and the bank bid do not go through the money would be dropped back in ur account till probably the next successful auction.
Hope it helps...

Thanks...Please I want find out something ,I v 6months running TB that will mature on the 16th March 2017 and I intend rolling it over to 1year .Is it possible?

My bank is Fidelity bank.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ihedioramma: 4:37pm On Sep 26, 2016
freeman67:



Yes Pastor they accept from N100,000 upward.
grin one love . who are you please inbox me . if i bid 13% for 91days and there own bid is 18% what will happen than?. what is the time am i to get my profit ? . THANK'S BLESS .
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jpphilips(m): 5:02pm On Sep 26, 2016
tunene66:


Note over time property values appreciate n so will rental income. While TBill rates fluctuates either way n d principal value remains constant. The choice is yours


Properties dnt appreciate in recession, it actually depreciates, so long as his 17% edges against inflation (unlikely though) then TBN is a sure bet

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