bezimo:
Well stated Op. You couldn't have stated it more better.

God gave the formula for a successful and blisfull union.
Husband: Love your wife as Christ love the church.
Wife:Submit to your husband in all things

And it would be well!!

But some women wont submit because they are learned, sophisticated and exposed, how can you enjoy peace in the marriage.Not possible!!!
So frustration and divorce and remarry becomes the portion of such women.

Like my mentor who is 34 yrs in marriage would say
There is no man that wont love a genuinely submissive woman and vice versa.

Toks2008:


The problem starts when we begin to rationalize and try to see reasons why submission from a woman should be hinged on the condition that the man loves the woman.

When you submit to your husband, he will only find himself loving you more and more.

mars123:
erm oga answer me this question; Is it fair enough for a smart, hardworking woman to submit herself to her careless, lazy husband in this 21st century?

Xiadnat:


Yea. it is not a condition..... In a perfect world, it would be the case that when you submit, you get more love. But we know humans are flawed correct? There are cases where husbands abuse their roles and lord over their wives devoid of loving them like Christ such as that of physical violence, emotional abuse and the like.

Jobia:
#teamForeign.

ammyluv2002:
Yes! It does make sense, but wives should submit fully to their husbands according to the bible principles. My husband cannot tell me to sleep with his friend & you expect me to submit fully

ammyluv2002:
Yes! It does make sense, but wives should submit fully to their husbands according to the bible principles. My husband cannot tell me to sleep with his friend & you expect me to submit fully

drskyfly007:
Mr man learn and move on..Thanx

Bollinger:


I honestly believe say dem take woman swear for Toks2008. There is something inherently wrong with his mentality. That and the fact that he does not choose his words wisely. The African definition of submission as regards women is pure slavery and i think he gets a hard on just thinking about things like this. See how quickly he used religion to justify his phucked up way of thinking? Ignorance is the bane of religion. Which man in his right minds would want a robot for a wife in this day and age? He better marry a Nigerian because no woman elsewhere will. That being said, I pity the woman who marries him.

Berbierklaus:



Now lets use the scripture You qouted as an example,did You realise that Ephesians 5:33 has two parts(part A and B)
Did You realise that part A was talking to the husband?
Ephesians 5:33
However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself
Did You realise that the bible spoke to the husband first? That tells You that Submission is "EARNED" so its flawed for You to say "THE BIBLE SAID THAT THE WIFE MUST BE SUBMISSIVE TO HER HUSBAND NO MATTER WHAT"







because grandpa,the bible has put an unspoken condition in that verse,(You can't respect/submit to your abusive father,You "FEAR" him,likewise if You say wives should be submissive unconditionally,You are only telling her to "FEAR" him,that is not submission according to the bible)

Part B
Ephesians 5:33
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord

Every man that loves his wife,automatically has earned her respect and submission,it is a known fact,and a man that doesn't love his wife(cheating on her "glaringly" abuse her,doesn't do his roles as a husband etc) will be "FEARED" not respected/submitted to).

masonkz:
Submit to the husband ko. They should both submit to each other.

Using my parents as example, my mama no dey gree o She can be VERY stubborn once she knows she's right. My dad already knows this nature of hers and would wilfully concede to her point of view in order to reach a compromise. They both understand each other that way.

Heck, sometimes she would scream her displeasure on something wrong she feels my dad did. In that instant the guy go just keep quiet, cos he knows him also shouting would solve nothing.

Same thing applies when he is also angry.


The marriage has lasted for almost 30 years...


I do know that marriages can differ, but my point here is, submission can go both ways. Wetin sef.

postmann:




A man's love for his wife is unconditional like CHRIST's love for HIS church. And a wife's submission to her husband is on all things like the scripture said.[/b]

Toks2008:


Ordinarily i do not respond to trolls like you who is so stunted intellectually but would rather resolve to attacking the persona of a writer simply because he opined his stands...bro you still need to get educated cos you have just exhibited a shallow intellect.

But please can you say for a fact that you read this thread very well or you just chose to disgrace yourself on the most populous on-line interactive forum in Africa.

Please stop trolling and start making sense or take the other option of shushing.

Bollinger:


I'll be honest. I did not bother to read the nonsense you wrote because knowing you and the way you think, it will always be about the same thing. The subjugation of the female gender. It is never different. Just the title alone says it all. I honestly doubt you are married. No sane married man thinks the way you do.

Toks2008:


I'm justified so please don't bother responding to me again
Quite apparent why you never see sense in my threads...good night.

Pelaiye2703:
Being submissive does not makes you a slave. An obedient wife controls the husband..#my lil cent

Toks2008:


The problem starts when we begin to rationalize and try to see reasons why submission from a woman should be hinged on the condition that the man loves the woman.

When you submit to your husband, he will only find himself loving you more and more.

Toks2008:
THE SUBMISSIVE WOMAN

Most ladies spend so much time and energy preparing for a wedding ceremony but very unprepared for just one condition responsible for a formidable union called SUBMISSION.

The modern day woman has allowed sophistication as a result of sound education and several other factors to make her see herself as equal to a man hence finds it difficult to be extremely submissive and this is one of the triggering factors for a break up. Being fully submissive to your man is one of the greatest secret to longevity of any romantic affair so Lets see what the Quran and Bible has to say concerning the act of submission from the woman.

Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."

Ephesians 5:22-24 :Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

No woman has any business with marriage or any serious romantic affair with a man until she is ready to "submit,honor,respect,reverence her husband to the maximum level just as she will respect the lord.Show me a submissive woman and I will show you a peaceful and lasting union.Being submissive does not mean you should obey your man blindly or go against the commandments of GOD neither does it make you a zombie or a mindless person but it means being meek,humble and serene even when you disagree with your man as many times as possible.Believe it or not,no matter how many relationships you get involved in,you will always have issues if you don't learn how to submit yourself to your man.

And as the man,for whatever reason you choose to marry that lady, if you are not ready to love that woman with her imperfections and without exception with behavior worthy of respect and esteem, always seeking the best for her with an attitude of loving-kindness all the days of your life please don't propose marriage to her.

GOD commands the man to love the wife and the wife to submit to the husband. Refusal to do this is rebellion against GOD himself.By loving your wife you are honoring GOD and not doing your wife a favor and by submitting to your husband, you are demonstrating an act of obedience to GOD and not to your husband.

I hope this makes sense.

ammyluv2002:
Yes! It does make sense, but wives should submit fully to their husbands according to the bible principles. My husband cannot tell me to sleep with his friend & you expect me to submit fully

Weedcrusher:
Submissive, submission, submitting.........

If any woman come to me and act all archaic, bringing water for me to wash my hands before eating, kneeling down and bowing for me as sign of respect, not having her own opinion but agreeing to everything I say, God knows that kinna woman won't last a day.

All I want in a woman is someone I can sit down and plan short, medium and long term goals with, Someone that we will have mutual respect for ourself, someone that will inspire and motivate me to always be the best I can be, a good and caring mother for my kids, a woman that will always engage me in intellectual discussion, someone I can communicate our issues and success with, a woman that I can be proud to call my wife in front of the whole world because she is her true self, a woman that loves me with all her heart for who I am and not what I am, a woman that has a calm demeanor and respectful attitude.....

Weedcrusher:
Submissive, submission, submitting.........

If any woman come to me and act all archaic, bringing water for me to wash my hands before eating, kneeling down and bowing for me as sign of respect, not having her own opinion but agreeing to everything I say, God knows that kinna woman won't last a day.

All I want in a woman is someone I can sit down and plan short, medium and long term goals with, Someone that we will have mutual respect for ourself, someone that will inspire and motivate me to always be the best I can be, a good and caring mother for my kids, a woman that will always engage me in intellectual discussion, someone I can communicate our issues and success with, a woman that I can be proud to call my wife in front of the whole world because she is her true self, a woman that loves me with all her heart for who I am and not what I am, a woman that has a calm demeanor and respectful attitude.....