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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 10:06am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: I have provided the source of how Thailand agrees But you want to tell me I am wrong because of a pretty picture? You know more than the Air marshals and analysis of Thailand? Than SAAB who designed it to fight the Su30? Go back to masturbating over your crashed Junk Fighter. You are a child, comparing things by how they look. 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 10:09am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: Ok, you keep saying this I keep asking you to prove it. You never can Pathetic, words of an insecure man. We all know why you are so obsessed with the F16 blk 40. 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 10:11am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: Lol It's better because a forum post says so? We compared the two Gripen is: -faster -more maneuverable -carrys a bigger payload -has more hard points -has more powerful radar -has more capable electronics etc etc etc Fact is, you say Gripen is over priced. Yet people keep buying it. Thus; it is not over priced. Over 89 Gripen have been sold. Fact is your cheap junk fighter has been flying for 13 years and they have sold only.... 20. What is happened is that Nigeria could not afford a proper fighter, so they got a cheap Chinese copy, and even then you could only afford 3 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 10:42am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Gripen doesn't even operate an AESA radar so how do you define powerful? Because you can launch at more tan 5 targets at a time? In a real combat situation, You wouldn't want to do that. That's the only difference. If you were comparing to PESA or AESA, I would have agreed but not with a pulse Doppler radar. Maneuverability: Maneuverability doesn't win a fight always. Who wants to do a cobra maneuver in a real life combat situation? All conventional maneuvers can be performed by the JF-17 so I see no big deal with this maneuverability issue. 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:55am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: What aircrafts are participating in the Malaysian trials? Any link/source you can post? 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:00am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: You are plain delusional boy. Gripen C/D taking on an SU-30mki is taking your lunacy to a whole new level, even by your standards. 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:02am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: According to SAAB, we all saw their infographic. The Gripen C/D is in the same class as an F-16 Block 40. Don't hate me, hate SAAB for telling you the plain truth. Go argue with SAAB.... Dufus! 4 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:11am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: The JF-17 radar is 105km, Gripen radar is 120km. A 15km difference is nothing when you take into account those jets are cruising at 1,900km an hour. You dumb ass. The Gripen doesn't have better electronics than the JF-17. Neither is it more maneuverable. The Gripen has one extra hardpoint over the JF-17...... Wow!! "Such a success". Fact is RSA paid $65 million for a JF-17. It is so hilarious yet so sad. Nigeria's contract would be announced this November, 3 planes budgeted for in this years budget only represents a start-up haul. Common sense seems to always elude you. Every Nigerian you ask is extremely satisfied with the JF-17, we are getting an advanced state-of-the-art, multi-role, day and night combat fighter which suits our requirements for a strike and air defence role. A reasonably priced light combat aircraft which would form the back-bone of our glorious air force. 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 11:15am On Oct 01, 2016 |
tdayof: AESA upgrade is available Yes, in combat when I light up my targetting radar and tell everyone (who does not already know) that I am there I want to hit as many targets as possible as quickly as possible Maneuverable means you are more likely to evade legacy SAMs... But yes, the Adarter just made maneuverable obsolete |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 11:32am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: It does make a difference because it means I am more likely to detect you first, it gives me options. It is better We outlined the Gripens electronics they are better Gripen has better wing loading, it is more maneuverable Gripen has a higher g-raying (9 v Gripen has a more powerfull engine (54kN v 50kN) One extra hard point And the ability to carry an extra 1500kgs of weapons Gripen is also faster (Mach 2 v Mach 1.6) So how is a jet that is inferior in every way the same as a Gripen? How? Jf17 has been around for 13 years, its as good as a Gripen... Yet where are the sales? SAAB has sold over 80 Gripen... Only 20 JF-17 sold. Why? Nigeria has only purchased 3. Facts seem to allude you. 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:35am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:You keep repeating the same fart over and over. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:42am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Russia's Advanced Spy Plane Russia’s Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft fitted with cutting-edge optical and electronic equipment and radar systems has successfully fulfilled all of its tasks in the Syrian sky, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. Tupolev Tu-214R © Photo: Wikipedia/ Rimma Sadykova Eyes in the Sky: Advanced Russian Spy Plane Conducts Test Flight “Russia’s Defense Ministry has completed a report on the results of the Tu-214R operations in Syria,” Russia’s newspaper Izvestiya quotes one of the ministry officials, familiar with the situation, as saying on Thursday. “The aircraft has performed to its best abilites. All the tasks set by the military commanders have been completely fulfilled, the equipment worked without any malfunctions. Upon the results of its operations, the aircraft has been recognized as fully mission capable,” the newspaper quotes the official as saying. The major achievement, according to the newspaper’s source, is that for the first time the spy plane was operating not from its home base in the eastern- central Russian city of Kazan, but from Russia’s Hmeymim air base in Syria. “The aircraft on-board equipment and its reconnaissance systems require careful maintenance by experts and special infrastructure. And if in Kazan everything necessary is always at hand, in Hmeymim the plane was serviced and maintained by the crew and the experts of the airbase. And there were no malfunctions,” an expert in radio- electronic systems who participated in maintenance works told the newspaper. Upon completion of its operation in Syria the leadership of the aircraft developer, Tupolev Public Joint Stock Company, filed a request with the leadership of Kazan Aviation Plant, Radio-Engineering Corporation Vega and a number of other enterprises who have been servicing the aircraft in Syria, to reward the employees who have been working in Syria. Tu-214R is a joint project between the Tupolev Public Joint Stock Company, Radio- Engineering Corporation Vega and a number of other enterprises of the United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation, the Roscosmos State Corporation and the Almaz-Antey defense company. The Russian Tu-214R is a state-of-the art plane based on the Tu-214 commercial transport aircraft which was modified under the codename 'Project 141' to replace the Ilyushin IL20M ELINT. The aircraft are configured to carry the MRC-411 multi- intelligence payload, to include electronic intelligence (ELINT) sensors, side-looking Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and other Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) and Communications Intelligence (COMINT). The antennae of the Tu-214R can intercept the signals emitted by enemy systems (radars, aircraft, radios, combat vehicles, mobile phones etc) to build an EOB (Electronic Order of Battle) of the enemy forces: where the enemy forces are operating, what kind of equipment they are using and, by eavesdropping into their radio/phone communications, what they are doing and what will be their next move. Hmeimim airbase in Syria © Sputnik/ Ramil Sitdikov After Pullout: What Could Force Russian Aircraft to Come Back to Hmeymim Airbase in Syria These radars, included in the MRK-411 multi-frequency radio engineering system, are the eyes and ears of the aircraft: Operators receive information in active and passive (without revealing their location) modes and can intercept the enemy's radio communications. The main feature of the Tu-214R's radars is ground-penetrating radar (GPR) scanning. In other words, the aircraft can see through the ground. Any objects hidden under the ground, covered with snow or sand, or disguised by trees, will be detected by the Tu-214R. It will take a radar snapshot and immediately transmit the information to the command post. The radio engineering system is complemented by the Fraktsiya electro- optical imaging system, used by the Tu-214R's crew to receive real-time, high-precision images of the terrain in the visible and infrared ranges. ...
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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 11:44am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Upgrade can be done on the JF17. Changing a radar system of an aircraft is not a big deal. klj-7 can manage up to 40 targets, monitor up to 10 of them in track-while-scan (TWS) mode and simultaneously fire on "I think" four BVR targets. I got enough target painted already so no big deal. I found this on SAAB website. General: Pulse Doppler, X band radar, monopulse Sub-units: 4 Rack mounted units + antenna unit and waveguide parts Weight: 150 kg Antenna (ANT): 60 cm, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) dipoles Power Amplifier Unit (PAU). Transmitter: Travelling-Wave Tube (TWT), liquid cooled, peak power >10 kW Transmitter AuxilliaryAuxiliary Unit (TAU) High-FrequencyExciter Receiver Unit (EXRHFU): Narrowband and wideband receivers, digital pulse compression, state-of-the-art spectral purity and noise figures Signal and data processorRadar Processing Unit (RPUSDP): Saab airborne Modular Avionic Computer System (MACS) computer system and parallel COTS based multiprocessor cluster, solid state discs for recording Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF): 250 400 hours in airborne operation No extra big deal. Just a normal radar designed to do what it needs to do and not something extra. ADarter is obviously a good missile but you make things look like it's a miracle. Maneuverability is useless against most Missiles already so it's not a new thing. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 11:55am On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: The way you argue is what makes me laugh. Wing loading, speed, engine etc. Argue with facts not numbers. 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 12:12pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: Is it true or false? |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 12:13pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
tdayof: Been posted I'm not going to repost them over and over and over Half of the figures are provided in any case |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 12:28pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:calm down bro , JF-17 does not need to match every specs of Gripen.it never meant to be.but 80% matching is possible current version may not match but rader or engine are upgradeable,it just cost money to upgrade,if a country has no big threat current version is cost-saving and enough. and also, an air defence system,not just combined of fighters alone, but also ground rader, AW&C, SAM,ect. even if the fighters rader is a little inferior,it can get support from them. defence buget can to be spent to buy more necessary equipment. JF-17 serves mainly as a defensive role. pakistan got more than 50 units in one bunch. . 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:19pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Offcourse the Gripen is not better than the JF-17 all things considered. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by bidexiii: 1:38pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Navy Conducts Longest Range AAW Intercept from USS Princeton During the Naval Integrated Fire Control - Counter Air (NIFC-CA) test, USS Princeton (CG 59), equipped with the latest Aegis Baseline 9, successfully processed data from a remote airborne sensor to engage and destroy an over-the-horizon threat representative target using Standard Missile-6 (SM-6). This is not the first time that SM-6 has shattered its own distance record. The missile broke the previous long-range intercept record in January of this year onboard USS John Paul Jones at Pacific Missile Range Facility, a milestone it originally set in June of 2014. This NIFC-CA test was the tenth consecutive successful live-fire test to demonstrate an over-the- horizon, engage-on-remote capability. This particular test also successfully validated the NIFC-CA from the sea kill chain concept. The success of this test was due to the collaborative efforts of the Navy Point Mugu Test Center, Naval Integrated Fire Control - Counter Air and Aegis Weapon System program offices and multiple industry partners. "NIFC-CA is a game changer for the U.S. Navy that extends the engagement range we can detect, analyze and intercept targets at sea," said Rear Adm. Jon Hill, the Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems (PEO IWS). "This test is a significant accomplishment, one that will shape the future of surface warfare." NIFC-CA From The Sea is a program of record which uses four pillar programs to act as a kill chain for the surface fleet: Aegis Baseline 9.0, Cooperative Engagement Capability, E2D Hawkeye and SM-6. "We are looking at every ship as a potential offensive weapons platform in an effort to gain and maintain sea control," said Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, commander, Naval Surface Forces. "Neutralizing enemy cruise missiles at range, as demonstrated in this test, is one of the dramatic leaps forward the Surface Force is making to implement the concept of Distributed Lethality and extending the offensive battlespace." SM-6 provides U.S. Navy ships with extended-range protection against fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and anti-ship cruise missiles and ballistic missiles in the terminal phase of flight. The active radar and extended range of the SM-6 allow it to track and destroy over the horizon targets which are out of sight of operators on deck. Aegis Baseline 9 delivers a fully open architecture system on U.S. cruisers and destroyers and is the basis for current and future Aegis Integrated Air and Missile Defense. Baseline 9 is being fielded on in-service destroyers, new construction destroyers and Aegis Ashore. The Aegis Common Source Library-enabled derivatives are on Freedom-variant littoral combat ships and will be included on the upcoming frigate ship. PEO IWS is an affiliated Program Executive Office of the Naval Sea Systems Command. IWS is responsible for spearheading surface ship and submarine combat technologies and systems, and for implementing Navy enterprise solutions across ship platforms. During the Naval Integrated Fire Control - Counter Air (NIFC-CA) test, USS Princeton (CG 59), equipped with the latest Aegis Baseline 9, successfully processed data from a remote airborne sensor to engage and destroy an over-the-horizon threat representative target using Standard Missile-6 (SM-6). This is not the first time that SM-6 has shattered its own distance record. The missile broke the previous long-range intercept record in January of this year onboard USS John Paul Jones at Pacific Missile Range Facility, a milestone it originally set in June of 2014. This NIFC-CA test was the tenth consecutive successful live-fire test to demonstrate an over-the- horizon, engage-on-remote capability. This particular test also successfully validated the NIFC-CA from the sea kill chain concept. The success of this test was due to the collaborative efforts of the Navy Point Mugu Test Center, Naval Integrated Fire Control - Counter Air and Aegis Weapon System program offices and multiple industry partners. "NIFC-CA is a game changer for the U.S. Navy that extends the engagement range we can detect, analyze and intercept targets at sea," said Rear Adm. Jon Hill, the Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems (PEO IWS). "This test is a significant accomplishment, one that will shape the future of surface warfare." NIFC-CA From The Sea is a program of record which uses four pillar programs to act as a kill chain for the surface fleet: Aegis Baseline 9.0, Cooperative Engagement Capability, E2D Hawkeye and SM-6. "We are looking at every ship as a potential offensive weapons platform in an effort to gain and maintain sea control," said Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, commander, Naval Surface Forces. "Neutralizing enemy cruise missiles at range, as demonstrated in this test, is one of the dramatic leaps forward the Surface Force is making to implement the concept of Distributed Lethality and extending the offensive battlespace." SM-6 provides U.S. Navy ships with extended-range protection against fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and anti-ship cruise missiles and ballistic missiles in the terminal phase of flight. The active radar and extended range of the SM-6 allow it to track and destroy over the horizon targets which are out of sight of operators on deck. Aegis Baseline 9 delivers a fully open architecture system on U.S. cruisers and destroyers and is the basis for current and future Aegis Integrated Air and Missile Defense. Baseline 9 is being fielded on in-service destroyers, new construction destroyers and Aegis Ashore. The Aegis Common Source Library-enabled derivatives are on Freedom-variant littoral combat ships and will be included on the upcoming frigate ship. PEO IWS is an affiliated Program Executive Office of the Naval Sea Systems Command. IWS is responsible for spearheading surface ship and submarine combat technologies and systems, and for implementing Navy enterprise solutions across ship platforms. 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 2:00pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: Answer the question: You have only bought 3 True or false? |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:01pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: A contract hasn't been announced yet Dufus. We'll have to wait till November at the IDEAS exhibition. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 2:03pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: I dont deal with if or maybe. I deal in facts. Answer the question: As of this moment how many JF-17 Thunder Jets has Nigeria purchased? |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:04pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:Nigeria has purchased none. |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 2:08pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: Just like you only purchased a hand full of F7s the same will apply to the J17 You are a poor nation and buy cheap things |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:17pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Ok, anything else? 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 2:53pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Henry240: I'm not the one trying to say the JF17 is as good as a Gripen |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 3:00pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Good to see your acute lunacy has being satisfied. I'm glad i helped. Although, i got laughing at the part you described Nigeria as a poor country. I found it to be hilarious. Seeing that the South-African government had to depend on massive loans to purchase your equipment. .....And here we are with an SAAF which cannot afford aviation fuel. I couldn't stop laughing. 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 3:10pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
On the Gripen, - We all found out from SAAB that the Gripen C/D can only be compared to an F-16 C/D, that is an F-16 Block-40 aircraft. - We also understand given all factors, the JF-17 is a better aircraft than the Gripen. The differences between the jets, the JF-17 and Gripen are so minimal, they are virtually non-existent. With each aircraft canceling out the capabilities of the other. - with price been the deciding factor. The JF-17 costing between 25 - 30 million a unit and the Gripen costing $65 million a buck for same capabilities, the JF-17 definitely brings in the bang for the buck. Butthurt South-Africans(Patchesagain) can only wail, but the facts don't lie. 1 Like |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 4:04pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:....coming from a country that cant afford to have pilots young man...I'll tell you something for free..you are a dunce 3 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 4:06pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain:answer this how many gripen jets can SA afford to put in d air and arm prodigal dunce 2 Likes |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 4:35pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
bidexiii:Go Aegis lol |
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 4:35pm On Oct 01, 2016 |
Patchesagain: Dumb Post. |
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