shadeyinka:


I am sorry to hear this because it happens. A supposed man of God even had to confess that he went to several fetish homes to collect powers to use for healing and other miracles in his church. ...like "if God can not be forced to perform miracles, I better get it from Satan!"

And some who would not go to that extreme result to lies and vague miracles. Personally for me, a prophecy where I can not hold you by your words is not to be taken seriously.

I guess whenever you have originals, counterfeits will also spring forth...and the more valuable the original the more prolific the counterfeits. Some men of God operate in strong "word of knowledge" giftings. The more specific the "word " is, the less likely it is to be fake. However, not all the "real" prophecies are from God. By their fruit you shall know them...

I couldn't help but chuckle softly on reading this. All you need to do is to watch a few more clips with a healthy dose of skepticism but sincerity.

The demons you see in movies are totally different from the real demons. Demons in movies are ugly and super-powerful however, the demons you see in real life are boastful and proud..and seems to be weak during the course of deliverance.

I can tell you that except one is a pathological liar and an excellent actor, you can't fake deliverance. Most of those who manifests never bargained for misbehaving like this in public...some of these things are recorded and broadcast..I don't want to be caught manifesting on TV oh. LOL!

shadeyinka:


Ultimately, God made all of us through our parents and the summation of choices that has been made on our behalf by our Parents, Our Society, Our Environment etc.

If God gives us our destiny at birth, He can not be just in sending us to hell for the sin of Rebellion to Him and lack of love to our neighbours.

Interestingly the fact that my Parents are Drunks and Drug addicts does not automatically make me wayward. Each one of us has been given a check in our spirit "our conscience" to guide us in conjuction with our mind and will.

If I married a white woman, we are likely to give birth to half casts...my choices have produced this outcome. We didn't create the baby but our genomes resulted in the physical body.

donnffd:



1. If you make such a claim, then you automatically claim that you have infinite knowledge of Naturalistic laws and thus can know what nature can do and what it cant do.

donnffd:

2. Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

donnffd:

3. How can you be sure if you yourself is constrained by the laws of Nature?

ValentineMary:

I have noticed a pattern to ur reply on this thread. Any deliverance proven false turns out to be done by fake men of God who are not authentic but if it appeals to u, then it is authentic.

ValentineMary:

Believe me, I have seen many fron many "powerful" men of God that are popular all through Nigeria perform exorcism even on T.V and am like "Why would any sane person believe this?" I have also seen many deliverance in prayer house and many are just psychological phenomenon.

ValentineMary:

Oh and don't forget Oyedepo deliverance where he slapped thag young girl. Very legit.

CeoMYN:

if God made us through our parents that means he made some people deformed at birth through their parents.

Amberon:
Shadeyinka

When I saw the line "the first is a deliverance through Skype", I immediately said to myself " it must be Chris Lasala" and I was right.

Chris Lasala is no fake at all. What he does is very real. I even have his phone number, gmail, and Skype I'd. I called him about 2 months ago and we had a Skype session. His deliverances are very real.

shadeyinka:


It is called "Delegation of Responsibility". It is given to men to procreate. I decide whether to stop at 2 children or 9. Every delegated responsibility can be used rightly or wrongly. I decide whether to train them or not to the limit of my capability.

Birth deformity is an unfortunate situation that can happen because of factors beyond our control. Sometimes, it is a consequence of our actions like taking some drugs but most times, like in genetic defects inherited from our bloodlines, there is not much that can be done on it.

In some years past in India, poor parents mutilate their children to make them more pitiful looking so that they can attract more alms. Accidents such as fire or mechanical may also cause mutilation.

Like I said, the world is diseased and so, many things can align to go wrong.

CeoMYN:

answer this.
1. Is the world so diseased that God can't heal the world?

CeoMYN:

2. Did God create us or our parents made us?

shadeyinka:


You don't have to believe in God. I was asking you for possible scientific explanation of those manifestations.

shadeyinka:


Thanks for sharing. Like I said. ..by their fruit you shall know them. Did you have a deliverance session with him?

One of the signs of a real deliverance ministers is not monetizing the gift. I have heard of some men in suit who parade themselves as men of God collecting various amount of money for different "class of demons". May God help us.

We are indeed in the end times.

hahn:


Bro, common sense will tell you that they simply want to act like everyone else and "claim" their healing. It is an act of desperation.

Have you ever fallen under the anointing?

shadeyinka:


I couldn't help but laugh in Japanese language. Its obvious you haven't seen deliverances and tried to unravel whether its acting, joke or unexplained reality.

Since you know Jim Iyke can you explain why he behaved like this according to your above submission


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7dMRbDHbA

Have I ever fallen under the anointing? NO!

shadeyinka:


It is not Gods intention to heal the world right now. It is His intention that every choice we make in this imperfect world is the solution to our "Exam"!.

Gods ultimate goal is to select by merit those who will Love Him unconditionally and Love their neighbour as themselves.

At the end of this exam, God is making a new Earth...



Its not a yes or no answer! Ultimately God created everybody through the instrument of our Parents.

Our Parents were given that deligated Authority to Procreate their kind.

Can our Parents make us? I don't think so but their genes are in us. Their choices result in us!

Amberon:
We had a prayer session but he asked me to call back after a month for deliverance because from the things I told him, he deduced ( and I had prior knowledge too) some things which I can't mention here. That was why the deliverance couldn't be done.

Rightly said, any pastor or prophet who takes money for prayers is not of God. Chris Lasala is different cuz he doesn't seem to care about money. For him its all about preaching the right message and setting the captives free.

mank1234:
As a young man he could see very well. When he grew up he couldn't see anymore though he had eyes. This was because his eyes was covered with a veil though it appeared to him like a veil was rather removed. He heeded no advice nor followed the way he was thought. He assumed to be all knowing using few scientific and logical ideas distorted to suit his myopic new way of thinking.

Suddenly, after many years, on his dying bed, it dawn on him that there's a way which seems right to a man but the end thereof leads to destruction.

hahn:



EXACTLY

shadeyinka:


Did you watch the video clip? Its just about 5 minutes

Your comment

CeoMYN:

You are saying that you don't really know whether God made us or our parents.

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CeoMYN:

Why would a loving God wait for a long time to heal the world?

hahn:


Nah. Same bs we see in churches daily. Let the holy spirit heal an amputee then it will be taken seriously.

I am in no mood to watch adults make fools of themselves

shadeyinka:


Its just a Scientific experiment. I chose Jim Iyke because I feel you should know him. From your posts I know that you are not a Bigot so, you will be objective.

shadeyinka:


I understand your views. Some charismatic ministers have turned it into a kind of "show". Some are not even interested in whether a person gets his deliverance or not.

However I will like to disagree with you on the theory of " inducement due to hypnotic suggestions". Why? A long time ago, I studied hypnotism and I can tell you that there is a big difference. In hypnotism, the subject rarely voluntare information different from what the hypnotist suggests.

In the case of deliverance, the outburst are usually spontaneous personalized experience. There is no script! Even the deliverance minister doesn't have a control or inclin to what will come out from the demonized.

With hind sight, I strongly believe that hypnotism is playing with demons. Deliverance is forcefully ejecting demons from the body, soul, spirit or environment of a person.

I am not a Pastor, not even a "Penticostal Christian" neither do I own any fellowship but God has used me in this ministry of deliverance so I speak from personal practical experience.
Many Pastors will wantnyou to believe that it takes some special anointing to cast out demons but no, every BornAgain can cast out demons.
I believe that every Christian can cast out demons. It is not rocket science. Its just about faith in the command of Jesus"go, cast out demons".
From experience, if you are living in Christ, demons can boast but I tell you they are weak loud mouthed spirits. They are weak only in respect to the fact that Gods Angels watch over the righteous. Demons can kill a person if he meddles with willful sin.

Demons are totally different with that presented in the movies. Demons operates most of the time covertly.

hahn:


You do realise that the adherents of other religions experience the same things, right?

shadeyinka:


Of course. Muslims do Rukya etc.

Many south American traditional religion have manifestations.

The Yoruba's have what is called "Egun Sango": manifestations of the spirit is sango.

However, I am not particular about them in this post because most people are familiar with Christian Deliverances

Sarassin:


It is a case of “horses for causes”, you disagree with my theory that congregants are subtly manipulated into a semi-hypnotic or auto-suggestive state but it would seem fairly obvious, people who listened to Adolf Hitler give his famous speeches in the 1930's raved about the spell-binding and mesmeric qualities of his speeches, attend any musical concert and observe how easily a crowd can be whipped into a frenzy why on earth is it that the likes of Benny Hinn et al would fling his coat around and his congregants would swoon ?

Sarassin:

The fact that there are no scripts, or that the delivering minister has no control over the actual response of the victim is rather immaterial, the damage is already done. Some people are more suggestible than others, hence some will engage in the charade unwittingly. Many people will attend those types of services with a heightened sense of anticipation already placing them in a highly suggestive state and environment .

Sarassin:

I do not see an issue of demonology in hypnosis.

Sarassin:

Sorry sir, every Christian cannot cast out demons just because they are "born again" any more than say every Christian can pick up a poisonous snake because they are born again. They are not equipped to do so.

Sarassin:

Most importantly there is a differentiation to be made between what Christians describe as demons being cast out and true demons in a metaphysical sense. In a Christian sense whilst a demon can sometimes be seen as an entity or an unwelcome spirit it is more often than not a set of undesirable attributes, for instance, it could be the demon of drugs, drink, lust, slothfulness or what have you in addition to all manner of psychological presentations ranging from schizophrenia, split-personality disorders, cognitive dissonance.The deliverer is then cast in the role of unqualified diagnostician, giver of succour and healer, it really is a mess.

Sarassin:

In a metaphysical sense a demon is a different kettle of fish altogether. A veritable entity, whilst I will not go into the different forms characteristics and attributes of demons, I will simply say that most people seeking deliverance will never have a truly demonic experience, and for that at least we should be thankful.

hahn:


Yeah.


Let me put it this way, I take christian "miracles" as seriously as they take the "miracles" of other religions.


And vice versa

Lennycool:
Please. A really long time in primary school I knew a pastor that came to my school, he prayed and always forced all the students he could into his seminars, certain times when he prayed some of the students would shout and jubilate, others would roll on the floor in a sort of convulsive fashion, evidence of your deliverance as you say. But the students weren't overcomed by a higher power, they simply did what was expected, without anyone informing them, they somehow actually felt like doing all these things. I know this because the pastor was a fake man of God, a fvcking hypocrite. Now you'll ask me how I know this, and my answer would be that the man was a child molester and rapist(several students attested to this). He got discovered and stopped coming to the school. So if this guy was fake why did the students fall and roll during deliverance. The mind is a great thing, and is sufficient in fooling itself.

Jezyfreezman:
Aya mi ja

shadeyinka:
Demons are spiritual equivalence of disease causing germs that infest a host and cause from mild unnoticeable illness to some serious illnesses. Now except with powerful electron microscope, we don't see them. Unfortunately, demons can not be detected by any physical means so that physical evidence will elude you till eternity.

I have not fallen under the anointing too, neither have I manifested in deliverance sessions. You are not alone.

You just need to watch a few clips with a healthy skeptism and you will be convinced that some truth lies within what you have seen.

Deliverances are Real

dblackninja:


You still have no proof whatsoever to buttress your claim.

dblackninja:

Thanks for being honest. So what does this tell you? That the holy spirit has forgotten you? Why is it that you're just a bystander hearing claims upon claims without a single shred of evidence?

dblackninja:

The clips we have so far haven't shown a single evidence of demonic possession.