Kingset:
[s]Naturally, Igbos are great people - hardworking, intellectual, popular - but nationally neglected. From my findings so far, I think the tribe is more internally divided than nationally marginalized, and some Anambrans contribute massively to the division without knowing.

This article is originally written by me. So if you have a different observation as mine, I urge you to argue wisely, instead of coming here to vent your anger without making reasonable point.

To start with, I'm a proud Igbo guy, though people from my place are regarded as less Igbos, while some try hard to deny their Igbo identities maybe, to avoid being retarded as less or for reasons best known to them. Quite silly, because their language or rather dialects, names and culture contradict their claim as everything about them promote the identity they try to deny. Until one accepts who he is, identity crisis remains a permanent case, unless he's ready to drop his language and culture. Is that easy anyway?

Back to the topic. Don't get me wrong, I have associated with Anambrans for years and they are wonderful people - hardworking and friendly - but some of them can be extremely proud and segregating. Some feel that if you are not from Anambra, you are not a true Igbo. Others ain't ready to take it, hence the identity crisis among some Igbo speaking communities. Nobody likes to be intimidated.

Among the Igbos today, Ebonyians are regarded less igbos compare to any other Igbo speaking people. At least, I have met few people who told me boldly that Ebonyians are not Igbos. I once witnessed where two Igbo brothers had to introduce themselves to each other. One introduced himself as Anambran and the other as Ebonyian, and from that moment, the Ebonyi guy was being avoided by his Anambra brother. Foolishness at its peak.

Most Ebonyians feel ashamed to tell you they are from Ebonyi State due to fear of being considered inferior. Some Igbos even find it hard to believe that some talented singers like Patoranking, Tekno etc. are from the state. Believe it, if this discrimination continues, it will only take it before Ebonyians start denying their Igbo identity rewriting their histories and ancestry from Nri and Arochukwu Kingdoms to elsewhere just like the Ikwerres and Aniomas.


Truth is that, Igbos living by the borders like Nsukka, Igbanke, Obigbo, Ikwerre, Abakaliki people etc. speak harder Igbo dialects. Most Igbo speaking people understand Nsukka dialect by 70%, Delta Igbo by 55% - 65%, Ikwerre by 55% - 65% and Abakaliki by 10%. People of these dialects understand central Igbo at least by 80% and practice the same culture. So what make any of them less Igbo?

An elderly family friend of ours from Ikwerre took time to narrate to me how and why the Ikwerre people started denying their Igbo identity. She pointed out many things, but one of my observations from her speech was her deep hatred for Anambrans. She couldn't just hide it from her expression. That's a story for another anyway.

My point in this write up is that the pride, superiority and segregation displayed by some Anambrans contribute to why Igbos are divided in regards to their identity. I'm not here to condemn but to correct this error. We are all sons and daughters of Nri and Arochukwu Kingdoms. We are one.

I'm glad Seun and Nairaland has provided a means to air my observations and correct this error at least by 20% before it goes out of hand.

God bless Anambrans. God bless Igbo Nation. God bless Nigeria.

Chukwu Okike gozie umu Igbo nile


I will be very glad if Lalasticlala or any other mod bless this post with front page to correct this error. Nevertheless, I'm glad I have passed the message.[/s]

Kingset:
Naturally, Igbos are great people - hardworking, intellectual, popular - but nationally neglected. From my findings so far, I think the tribe is more internally divided than nationally marginalized, and some Anambrans contribute massively to the division without knowing.

This article is originally written by me. So if you have a different observation as mine, I urge you to argue wisely, instead of coming here to vent your anger without making reasonable point.

To start with, I'm a proud Igbo guy, though people from my place are regarded as less Igbos, while some try hard to deny their Igbo identities maybe, to avoid being retarded as less or for reasons best known to them. Quite silly, because their language or rather dialects, names and culture contradict their claim as everything about them promote the identity they try to deny. Until one accepts who he is, identity crisis remains a permanent case, unless he's ready to drop his language and culture. Is that easy anyway?

Back to the topic. Don't get me wrong, I have associated with Anambrans for years and they are wonderful people - hardworking and friendly - but some of them can be extremely proud and segregating. Some feel that if you are not from Anambra, you are not a true Igbo. Others ain't ready to take it, hence the identity crisis among some Igbo speaking communities. Nobody likes to be intimidated.

Among the Igbos today, Ebonyians are regarded less igbos compare to any other Igbo speaking people. At least, I have met few people who told me boldly that Ebonyians are not Igbos. I once witnessed where two Igbo brothers had to introduce themselves to each other. One introduced himself as Anambran and the other as Ebonyian, and from that moment, the Ebonyi guy was being avoided by his Anambra brother. Foolishness at its peak.

Most Ebonyians feel ashamed to tell you they are from Ebonyi State due to fear of being considered inferior. Some Igbos even find it hard to believe that some talented singers like Patoranking, Tekno etc. are from the state. Believe it, if this discrimination continues, it will only take it before Ebonyians start denying their Igbo identity rewriting their histories and ancestry from Nri and Arochukwu Kingdoms to elsewhere just like the Ikwerres and Aniomas.


Truth is that, Igbos living by the borders like Nsukka, Igbanke, Obigbo, Ikwerre, Abakaliki people etc. speak harder Igbo dialects. Most Igbo speaking people understand Nsukka dialect by 70%, Delta Igbo by 55% - 65%, Ikwerre by 55% - 65% and Abakaliki by 10%. People of these dialects understand central Igbo at least by 80% and practice the same culture. So what make any of them less Igbo?

An elderly family friend of ours from Ikwerre took time to narrate to me how and why the Ikwerre people started denying their Igbo identity. She pointed out many things, but one of my observations from her speech was her deep hatred for Anambrans. She couldn't just hide it from her expression. That's a story for another anyway.

My point in this write up is that the pride, superiority and segregation displayed by some Anambrans contribute to why Igbos are divided in regards to their identity. I'm not here to condemn but to correct this error. We are all sons and daughters of Nri and Arochukwu Kingdoms. We are one.

I'm glad Seun and Nairaland has provided a means to air my observations and correct this error at least by 20% before it goes out of hand.

God bless Anambrans. God bless Igbo Nation. God bless Nigeria.

Chukwu Okike gozie umu Igbo nile


I will be very glad if Lalasticlala or any other mod bless this post with front page to correct this error. Nevertheless, I'm glad I have passed the message.

FKO81:

Ewu Osun, you just created this moniker few hours ago, seriously Anambra is really giving you nightmares

chiamaka21:
keep quite joor. is the OP not saying the truth.

FKO81:

When you come down to the South West and the people from Ondo or Ekiti will tell you that they never want to have anything to do with the Ijebu man, Do you want me to explore the discrimination in southwest now you go run for this thread if I start oh

Oblang:


Is the op a Yoruba? prove the op wrong and don't drag the sw into it. There is no discrimination whatsoever among the Yorubas. many yorubas this days don't even marry from their native land..

FKO81:

When you come down to the South West and the people from Ondo or Ekiti will tell you that they never want to have anything to do with the Ijebu man, Do you want me to explore the discrimination in southwest now you go run for this thread if I start oh

Oblang:


Is the op a Yoruba? prove the op wrong and don't drag the sw into it. There is no discrimination whatsoever among the Yorubas. many yorubas this days don't even marry from their native land..

Oblang:


Is the op a Yoruba? prove the op wrong and don't drag the sw into it. There is no discrimination whatsoever among the Yorubas. many yorubas this days don't even marry from their native land..

chiamaka21:
[s]one question I always ask my self is, can't we argue logically among our self without dragging South West into it. pls the discussion is between igbos. the discussion have nothing to do with the South West


back to the discussion. I don't just knw the reason why Anambra always think they are superior[/s].

FKO81:

Cone head stop deceiving yourself

FKO81:

You guys should stop living false life, take your time and read this

http://leadership.ng/blogposts/509791/needless-war-house-oduduwa

Needless War In The House Of Oduduwa

[b]Are Binis of today’s Edo of the Yoruba stock and what is the status of the Ijebu people in the Yoruba cosmogony?

These two-in-one questions posed will continue to dog Yoruba history. Despite the works of great historians like Samuel Johnson, Ade Ajayi, Espie, Ayanleye and the rest, the questions remain open-ended.

The recent hot exchanges between the Awujale of Ijebuland, Oba Sikiru Adetona and the Alake of Egbalnd, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, were avoidable and expand the hiatus among the Yoruba people and their neighbours.

The ranking of five foremost Yoruba Obas by Alake was the agent provocateur this time. Picking holes in the ranking, the Awujale faulted the 1903 gazette cited by the Alake on the categorisation of Obas. Not being a son of Oduduwa, it would have been better to just steer clear of colonial creations, which were done by the rule of thumb during that period.

But, instead, Kabiyesi reached out to Oba of Lagos, Rilwan Akiolu, a self-confessed Bini man for validation. Oba Akiolu supported the Awujale. Since the two are not of Yoruba ancestry, it remained to be seen how ego would not take the place of logic.

Binis never considered themselves as of Yoruba stock. The house of Oduduwa considers it fallacious. With the Benin Kingdom countering that no Yoruba Oba was higher than the Oba of Benin, the political history of Yoruba got more suffused in mysticism rather than empiricism.

The Ijebus too, claimed to be superior to other Yorubas because, according to them, it was the fifth Awujale (king of Ijebu-Ode) that cured Oduduwa (the progenitors of the Yoruba race) of blindness. For them, if the father of all Yorubas was a beneficiary of their fifth ruler, it then meant that they had existed before the foundation of the Yoruba race or at least, before they got to Nigeria.

The first Awujale was said to have come from a place called Waddai, somewhere in present day Sudan. The people are different from their immediate neighbours in Ijebuland. Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the late political sage and a Remo man, sealed this a long time ago. Historically, people from that axis of Ijebu are from Iremo quarters in Ile-Ife and migrated to where they settled now near the Ijebu people. Hence they are called Ijebu-Remo. Most Ijebu towns towards Ondo and in Lagos States also claim their ancestry to Ile-Ife.

The myths and conundrum of these assertions may take eternity to decipher and made a mince meat of the royal diplomacy of 41-year-old Ooni Ogunwusi couched in oneness of the Yorubarace. His several visitations to those considered rivals to his predecessor, Oba Okunade Sijuwade may be a pipedream with the current verbal warfare.

Ooni, the Arole Oodua had gone to Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale in search of unity. Only last weekend, he took a wife from Benin kingdom, to underscore his quest to end the war of attrition tearing apart the house of Oduduwa as we know it.

Perhaps our royal fathers should be reminded that democracy has demystified claims embedded in orality and whittled down the influence of royal fathers who today exist at the mercy of council chairmen and state governments who decide who and when to enthrone chief/Oba/Emir or depose. These discretions are embedded in law and not the native authority that have no force of enforcement under our present constitutional arrangements.

For most radically minded people, it was a needless argy-baggy for an endangered institution to fan the embers of disunity and expose itself to a predatory system that doesn’t discriminate between a slave and free-born.

Definitely, they have different motives. Some of them are doing it out of patriotism and love of their immediate source of origins; just wanting to project pride in their own roots. Some are doing this out of mischief.

It is clear the professorial chair endowed by Oba Adetona will see democracy as more relevant for scholarship than studies in traditional monarchy.[/b]

apcisevil:

There is big discrimination among yorubas, I can still recall a story a yorubaman told me... that's even when I know yorubas have different dialects and different ethnics...stop lying and deceiving yourselves

Kingset:
[s]Naturally, Igbos are great people - hardworking, intellectual, popular - but nationally neglected. From my findings so far, I think the tribe is more internally divided than nationally marginalized, and some Anambrans contribute massively to the division without knowing.

This article is originally written by me. So if you have a different observation as mine, I urge you to argue wisely, instead of coming here to vent your anger without making reasonable point.

To start with, I'm a proud Igbo guy, though people from my place are regarded as less Igbos, while some try hard to deny their Igbo identities maybe, to avoid being retarded as less or for reasons best known to them. Quite silly, because their language or rather dialects, names and culture contradict their claim as everything about them promote the identity they try to deny. Until one accepts who he is, identity crisis remains a permanent case, unless he's ready to drop his language and culture. Is that easy anyway?

Back to the topic. Don't get me wrong, I have associated with Anambrans for years and they are wonderful people - hardworking and friendly - but some of them can be extremely proud and segregating. Some feel that if you are not from Anambra, you are not a true Igbo. Others ain't ready to take it, hence the identity crisis among some Igbo speaking communities. Nobody likes to be intimidated.

Among the Igbos today, Ebonyians are regarded less igbos compare to any other Igbo speaking people. At least, I have met few people who told me boldly that Ebonyians are not Igbos. I once witnessed where two Igbo brothers had to introduce themselves to each other. One introduced himself as Anambran and the other as Ebonyian, and from that moment, the Ebonyi guy was being avoided by his Anambra brother. Foolishness at its peak.

Most Ebonyians feel ashamed to tell you they are from Ebonyi State due to fear of being considered inferior. Some Igbos even find it hard to believe that some talented singers like Patoranking, Tekno etc. are from the state. Believe it, if this discrimination continues, it will only take it before Ebonyians start denying their Igbo identity rewriting their histories and ancestry from Nri and Arochukwu Kingdoms to elsewhere just like the Ikwerres and Aniomas.


Truth is that, Igbos living by the borders like Nsukka, Igbanke, Obigbo, Ikwerre, Abakaliki people etc. speak harder Igbo dialects. Most Igbo speaking people understand Nsukka dialect by 70%, Delta Igbo by 55% - 65%, Ikwerre by 55% - 65% and Abakaliki by 10%. People of these dialects understand central Igbo at least by 80% and practice the same culture. So what make any of them less Igbo?

An elderly family friend of ours from Ikwerre took time to narrate to me how and why the Ikwerre people started denying their Igbo identity. She pointed out many things, but one of my observations from her speech was her deep hatred for Anambrans. She couldn't just hide it from her expression. That's a story for another anyway.

My point in this write up is that the pride, superiority and segregation displayed by some Anambrans contribute to why Igbos are divided in regards to their identity. I'm not here to condemn but to correct this error. We are all sons and daughters of Nri and Arochukwu Kingdoms. We are one.

I'm glad Seun and Nairaland has provided a means to air my observations and correct this error at least by 20% before it goes out of hand.

God bless Anambrans. God bless Igbo Nation. God bless Nigeria.

Chukwu Okike gozie umu Igbo nile


I will be very glad if Lalasticlala or any other mod bless this post with front page to correct this error. Nevertheless, I'm glad I have passed the message[/s].

jopretty:
Was having a discus with some friends concerning traditional marriage and stuffs, I was like I don't think my trad would be held in my home state cos I have no friends there and do not want to risk the lives of the friends

ificatchmodeh:

FKO81:

Because I know who open the thread

Oblang:


How does Yorubas having different dialects amt to discrimination?

FKO81:

You guys should stop living false life, take your time and read this

http://leadership.ng/blogposts/509791/needless-war-house-oduduwa

Needless War In The House Of Oduduwa

[b]Are Binis of today’s Edo of the Yoruba stock and what is the status of the Ijebu people in the Yoruba cosmogony?

These two-in-one questions posed will continue to dog Yoruba history. Despite the works of great historians like Samuel Johnson, Ade Ajayi, Espie, Ayanleye and the rest, the questions remain open-ended.

The recent hot exchanges between the Awujale of Ijebuland, Oba Sikiru Adetona and the Alake of Egbalnd, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, were avoidable and expand the hiatus among the Yoruba people and their neighbours.

The ranking of five foremost Yoruba Obas by Alake was the agent provocateur this time. Picking holes in the ranking, the Awujale faulted the 1903 gazette cited by the Alake on the categorisation of Obas. Not being a son of Oduduwa, it would have been better to just steer clear of colonial creations, which were done by the rule of thumb during that period.

But, instead, Kabiyesi reached out to Oba of Lagos, Rilwan Akiolu, a self-confessed Bini man for validation. Oba Akiolu supported the Awujale. Since the two are not of Yoruba ancestry, it remained to be seen how ego would not take the place of logic.

Binis never considered themselves as of Yoruba stock. The house of Oduduwa considers it fallacious. With the Benin Kingdom countering that no Yoruba Oba was higher than the Oba of Benin, the political history of Yoruba got more suffused in mysticism rather than empiricism.

The Ijebus too, claimed to be superior to other Yorubas because, according to them, it was the fifth Awujale (king of Ijebu-Ode) that cured Oduduwa (the progenitors of the Yoruba race) of blindness. For them, if the father of all Yorubas was a beneficiary of their fifth ruler, it then meant that they had existed before the foundation of the Yoruba race or at least, before they got to Nigeria.

The first Awujale was said to have come from a place called Waddai, somewhere in present day Sudan. The people are different from their immediate neighbours in Ijebuland. Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the late political sage and a Remo man, sealed this a long time ago. Historically, people from that axis of Ijebu are from Iremo quarters in Ile-Ife and migrated to where they settled now near the Ijebu people. Hence they are called Ijebu-Remo. Most Ijebu towns towards Ondo and in Lagos States also claim their ancestry to Ile-Ife.

The myths and conundrum of these assertions may take eternity to decipher and made a mince meat of the royal diplomacy of 41-year-old Ooni Ogunwusi couched in oneness of the Yorubarace. His several visitations to those considered rivals to his predecessor, Oba Okunade Sijuwade may be a pipedream with the current verbal warfare.

Ooni, the Arole Oodua had gone to Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale in search of unity. Only last weekend, he took a wife from Benin kingdom, to underscore his quest to end the war of attrition tearing apart the house of Oduduwa as we know it.

Perhaps our royal fathers should be reminded that democracy has demystified claims embedded in orality and whittled down the influence of royal fathers who today exist at the mercy of council chairmen and state governments who decide who and when to enthrone chief/Oba/Emir or depose. These discretions are embedded in law and not the native authority that have no force of enforcement under our present constitutional arrangements.

For most radically minded people, it was a needless argy-baggy for an endangered institution to fan the embers of disunity and expose itself to a predatory system that doesn’t discriminate between a slave and free-born.

Definitely, they have different motives. Some of them are doing it out of patriotism and love of their immediate source of origins; just wanting to project pride in their own roots. Some are doing this out of mischief.

It is clear the professorial chair endowed by Oba Adetona will see democracy as more relevant for scholarship than studies in traditional monarchy.[/b]

RockHard:
FKO81 or whatever you call yourself, why must you drag Yorubas into a purely igbo matter? Are you folks that insecure? You need help, seriously.

FKO81:

Warn your brothers to stop using fake monikers to be writing rubbish about Igbos