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Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by Eddlad: 9:26am On Oct 11, 2016 |
ValentineMary: Under what circumstances would you have said the earth was created for man. An example or two. |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by ValentineMary(m): 4:48pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
Eddlad:If we did not have to adapt to foreign conditions. |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by Nobody: 4:54pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
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Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by Eddlad: 7:52pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
ValentineMary: Half of these foreign conditions are just nature's own way of restoring the offset caused by man's actions, the other is half more or less even necessary. If actions didn't have reactions, the foundations of the world would tremble, in short I don't thing there can be any better suited world for man ,not one we can even imagine anyways... |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by herald9: 12:00am On Oct 12, 2016 |
johnydon22:It doesn't make it less designed, but makes it less habitable. Just like if errors were discovered in the Burj Khalifa tower in Dubai, it could've been certified misfit for habitation. But considering the fact that the earth has the right proportion of everything to support life raises another question as to why there must be catastrophes that endangers the very lives it was designed to habit. This brought me to the conclusion that maybe this design was programmed to accommodate this mishaps as means of check and balance. After all the world is made up of opposites - good and evil, life and death, North and South, Male and female, etc. I don't think it's a mistake. Just maybe the designer has no feelings. Or maybe its sense of empathy is complicated... Just as how complex the earth is. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 12:19am On Oct 12, 2016 |
herald9: the errors in the Burj Khalifa was a mistake on the part of the executioners of the project - so how so is the 'dangerous' factors of nature that makes it less habitable not likely a mistake from an evolving intellect? [remember something doesn't need to perfect to design anything] |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by ValentineMary(m): 1:59pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Eddlad:Offset caused by man these conditions has been like that before man began to exist. |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by plaetton: 2:39pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: If there is only one planet in our solar system that is suitable for life, human life, then I wonder how you can say that our solar system is suited for life. The fact that only a very very remote corner of our solar system evolved and sustains life is evidence that life is a cosmic accident that occurs when the very rare set of conditions occur. Secondly, our solar system has been pulsating happily on its own for more than 5 billion long years before the advent of man. Thirdly, archeological evidence continues to show us that there have been different species of humans that have existed on Earth over the course of the last few million years ago, and that modern humans, homo sapien sapiens, have only been around in just the last 250,000 yrs or so. Fourthly, history has shown that nature is no respecter of life, human life especially. Volcanic eruptions, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, plagues and killer diseases do not accommodate human needs or even the life considerations of any life form. Lastly, if the universe or the solar system was crafted and tuned to sustain life, then the term " survival of the fittest" would be meaningless. In other words, if nature was our benevolent babysitter, we would not need to fight so much just to survive, fight so much to dodge, tame and conquer nature. In fact, survival, evolution is the impetus to adapt and overcome the adversity of nature. This is why life, whether animal, plants or human, is a CONSTANT CHALLENGE, to overcome the pitfalls and conspicuous ADVERSITY of nature. 14 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by DoctorAlien(m): 2:50pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
plaetton, Is the solar system not suited for life? Without the sun, would there be life? That the solar system is an accident is your own opinion, and in no way is it the truth. Prove that the earth is as old as 5 billion years. Prove that man evolved from whatever. That diseases and pestilences kill man doesn't mean the earth and the solar system wasn't perfectly created for life. Those are just accidents. A car is perfectly suited for travelling but we still have auto accidents. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by raphieMontella: 4:10pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:dendrochronology shows the earth is older than your proposed 6k an 11,000 year old german oak.. Download the pdf... How do you explain away trees older than your 6k years... Dated with an accurate dating method...''tree-rings''... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees And ice cores 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by plaetton: 5:02pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Eddlad:So you're blaming man for the destructive acts of nature? C'mon, you're kidding. Right? Billions of years before man , nature had been convulsing, vomiting and twirling. In fact, the twisted and deformed landscapes we see in every corner of world, such as mountains, canyons, Earth quake fault lines, volcanic mountains,valleys, oceans , rivers and their Tributaries, the coming and going of ice ages every couple of thousand years, are all evidence of nature's very very long history of random convulsions. Heck, it took the Earth a whole 1 billion years of violent wobbling just to establish what we now see as a stable circular orbit around the Sun. And the Earth still wobbles, still trying to attain even a more stable orbit. Now, if the Earth suddenly attained a perfectly circular orbit around the Sun without allowing enough time for existing species to commensurately evolve to that new condition, the results would be catastrophic for all existing lifeforms, and like we have seen with Dinosaurs, would inevitably lead to the emergence of entirely new species whose biology would be evolutionally tuned to the new celestial conditions. 1 Like |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by DoctorAlien(m): 5:05pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
raphieMontella, Recent research on seasonal effects on tree rings in other trees in the same genus, the plantation pine Pinus radiata, has revealed that up to five rings per year can be produced and extra rings are often indistinguishable, even under the microscope, from annual rings. Evidence of false rings in any woody tree species would cast doubt on claims that any particular species has never in the past produced false rings. Evidence from within the same genus surely counts much more strongly against such the notion. Claimed older chronologies depend on the cross-matching of tree-ring patterns of pieces of dead wood found near the living tree. This procedure depends on temporal placement of fragments of wood using carbon-14 dating, assuming straight-line extrapolation backwards of the carbon dating. The process assumes it is correct to linearly extrapolate the carbon clock backwards, and that the system has been in equilibrium for hundreds of thousands of years. Is that so? |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by DoctorAlien(m): 5:07pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
raphieMontella, What about the fact that ring patterns are not unique? There are many points in a given sequence where a sequence from a new piece of wood matches well (note that even two trees growing next to each other will not have identical growth ring patterns). It has been recognized that ring pattern matches are not unique. The best match(using statistical tests) is often rejected in favour of a less exact match because the best match is deemed to be incorrect(particularly if it is too far away from the carbon-14 "age" ). So carbon "date" is used to constrain just which match is acceptable. Thus, calibration is a circular process and the tree ring chronology extension is also a circular process dependent on assumptions about the carbon dating system. These assumptions in themselves are enough to make carbon dating unreliable. |
Re: Nature: Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence? by AgentOfAllah: 7:13pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
johnydon22: This is NOT true at all. A truly random event is by definition, one without pattern, so I fail to see how patterns can be devised from "every occurrence". In fact, the uncertainty principle imposes a fundamental limit to how much information can be extracted from any quantum particle; and as far as I know, this amounts to half of the total possible information in the particle. Away from the quantum; even in classical mechanics, 'chaos', which is the cumulative effect of small deviations in an otherwise ordered system, can easily result in some really weird (fundamentally inexplicable) phenomena taking place. It is precisely things like this that breakdown the accuracy of weather predictions within very short periods. Another well known random phenomenon is the spontaneous radioactive decay of nucleons. There is literally no way to predict which nucleon will decay at any given time, in a radioactive element. This means there are fundamental phenomena that cannot be predicted; thus negating the idea that any meaningful prediction can be made about everything. It is just fundamentally impossible! |
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