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Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Peacefullove: 8:58am On Oct 12, 2016 |
shadeyinka: HOW DOES this answers my earlier Question , tell me ? I asked you " am still examining your claim . when a man dies , lying helpless in the casket , how can you still claim such a person is still alive ? " you went ahead to quote the fifth seal which is not a literal but symbolic verse . therefore since that passage is not meant to be taken at face value ( it also means you guys don't go to mansions in heaven but are crowded under an ALTAR ) , its a FUTILE attempt at answering me . so the question still stands ! am not explaining anything . its meant to be interpreted ! and their are various interpretation among xtians . so do your research , what is VIVIDLY clear is its not to be taken at face value same is true of other seals. 1 Like |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Barristter07: 9:27am On Oct 12, 2016 |
shadeyinka shadeyinka: its not REAL sir , Like I show earlier there is a difference between a vision and reality . see this scriptural scenario that perfectly illustrate this . "And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was real , but thought he saw a vision " - Act 12:9 Peter thought the event is a vision, that its NOT REAL . this scripture differentiate between a vision and a real happening. , |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Barristter07: 9:48am On Oct 12, 2016 |
shadeyinka shadeyinka: Like someone said on this thread, You have destroyed your neighbours car in the sense that the car simply CEASE to function as your neighbours car . Considering Genesis 2:7 and Genesis 3:19 , someone destroyed also cease to function as a living being . no wonder the proclamation " You are dust and to dust You shall return" . the pronoun " YOU " refer to the living being called Adam. signifying his end of existence as a living being! 1 Like |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 10:03am On Oct 12, 2016 |
shadeyinka: you misunderstand me.. God's final destruction (second death) doesn't take u into an unconscious state.. it destroys in the sense that u cease to exist.. no atom of u is left.. that's what the scripture means when it said it leaves neither root or branch. God is just.. very just.. punishing someone for eternity for sins he committed in about 30 years isn't just.. it isn't just to punish someone who told one lie and hitler with the same punishment for ever and ever and ever and ever.. when Jesus comes he will reward us according to our works.. please understand that scripture.. u will either be punished or rewarded based on things you've done. Hitler and other murderers and even petty liars will all be punished according to what they've done.. that punishment is just. and the end of the wicked remains destruction. God is just God is always just 1 Like |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Nobody: 3:45pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Peacefullove:Jesus has the power to bring the dead back to life. Didn't you read Isaiah where one of the mission of the messiah is to set the prisoners free? Only God has the power to condemn or to acquaint. |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 6:30pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
solite3: lemme understand something... person die manage go heaven... u con resurrect am say wetin happen?? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Nobody: 8:16pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:no body went to heaven before the coming of Christ all went to Sheol. |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Nobody: 8:19pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:these are your theory man not what the bible says. |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 8:38pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
solite3: i posted links... do well to go through them before u conclude that its my doctrine.. eternal Burning was never a bible doctrine |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by RabbaRabbi: 9:07pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Wilgrea7: can you prove how eternal burning is not part of the bible's teaching? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 10:18pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi: oga follow the links first na... all these questions ure asking were addressed in the links... haba.. wetin sef?? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by RabbaRabbi: 10:49pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
Wilgrea7: lollllzzz... didn't see the link nahh |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 7:05am On Oct 13, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi:look at my earliest posts on the topic.. you'll see them |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by shadeyinka(m): 7:20am On Oct 13, 2016 |
Wilgrea7: The case of Moses and the Burning Bush is just an example proof that Fire could burn and not annihilate a "combustible material" What is the difference: Annihilation and Physical Death state? In both cases according to JW doctrine there is NO difference! If there is no difference, then: Mat 10:28. Becomes meaningless! |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 7:41am On Oct 13, 2016 |
shadeyinka: una don succeed pursue sleep from my eye abi... no problem OK back to your question sir the case of the burning bush was a sign to moses just like the star was a sign to the three wise men. And if you're looking for proof that God's fire can consume, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the story of fire from heaven when proving God to the prophets of Baal is a very good example that God indeed is a CONSUMING fire thanks for the scripture... it said fear those who can KILL both body and soul in hell not who can torment forever both body and soul.. mind you also when i say nobody is immortal but God alone.. as of now we are still mortal.. even the angels you claim are immortal are not immortal to God. God gives and he takes away... he is the creator... he can utterly destroy |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by shadeyinka(m): 9:16am On Oct 13, 2016 |
Peacefullove: A person can kill the Body but cannot kill/destroy the soul: implication, a mans soul lives on after death. If man can also destroy the soul in by execution, then the scripture below makes no sense Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Peacefullove: Then, let's have your interpretation! |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by MizJanet(f): 9:36am On Oct 13, 2016 |
solite3: nah. what he is asking you is , why are those people not judged when they die if judgement is immediately after death ? you didn't address this . |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by MizJanet(f): 9:45am On Oct 13, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi: John 3:16 said eternal life is for those who belive in Jesus , Romans 6:23 says it a gift from the bible God . man, there is eternal life for those in hell too since their life will be eternal ? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Peacefullove: 10:19am On Oct 13, 2016 |
Its obvious many of you just carry bible up and down on Sundays , not knowing even the content of your so cherished holy book . with this Matthew 10:28 you quote , just get ready for a fresh encounter !!! shadeyinka: and a book from God should not contradict itself , For your information MEN KILL/DESTROY soul. in the bible. " And he { Joshua} took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; " Joshua 10 vs 39 . didn't men kill souls here ? so called immortal souls been destroyed by sword . na wa !
O boy , according to this verse which you yourself quote! the BODY of a man also go to hell as shown by the statement ' BODY in hell ' , but nowadays body end up in the mortuary not some imaginary hell now tell me , was Jesus lying here ? How many bodies have left mortuary for hell ? don't you think this verse against the ideology of body doesn't go to hell ? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Peacefullove: 10:44am On Oct 13, 2016 |
solite3: o boy , Lazarus of Bethany na prisoner too ? I thought him be righteous man I didn't ask you the rubbish u post above , if according to your postulation judgement is immediately after death , why was Lazarus of Bethany, Daughter of Jairus . real cases of someone who died not judged immediately they died ? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by RabbaRabbi: 11:09am On Oct 13, 2016 |
MizJanet: you got me wrong... I never said people in hell will burn to ashes... I was only rephrasing a statement someone made... That God will burn sinners to ashes... I asked him, how is that true, when the bible says sinners will be in hell forever? I hope you understand now...? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by RabbaRabbi: 11:19am On Oct 13, 2016 |
Peacefullove: john 11:41-42; and Jesus said, father I thank you for you have always answer me.. I am saying this for the benefit of the people that they might believe that you sent me... In the case of Lazarus dead, God was using that medium to show people that Jesus is the messiah in verse 4 of John 11, Jesus said, this will not end in dead, No, but that the son of God be glorified... In lazarus case, Jesus going to show the world that he is the messiah that many have been expecting... Your moniker is cool.... But it seems you're a troublesome person |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Peacefullove: 11:28am On Oct 13, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi: that case renders the claim of judgement immediately after death INVALID ! let me give you more cases to shatter that postulation what about the guy in the bible that fell from the window and died whom Paul raised , why wasn't he judged immediately he died ? what about a certain Dorcas in the bible , why wasn't she judged immediately she died ? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Peacefullove: 11:43am On Oct 13, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi: oga , that girl make a very salient point . if sinners will be in hell forever ( for someone to be forever , his life must not be temporary but eternal ) , does that not automatically mean they have everlasting life !! ? 1 Like |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Wilgrea7(m): 12:14pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
Peacefullove: leave those guys jawe.. the theory of an eternal soul was never a Christian one.. no one is immortal except God... even angels we think are immortal can be destroyed by God.. he is the creator of all... then of course he can destroy too |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by shadeyinka(m): 1:02pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
Peacefullove: 1Pt3:19-20 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;. Who are these spirits in prison? Aren't these spirits supposed to be dead and unconscious? How come Christ preached to those who "cannot hear"? I give up. We shall all die one day and the truth will be made plain |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by dolphinheart(m): 1:19pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi: 1.what goes to hell? body , soul, spirit, the whole three mentioned or 2 of them 2. where do the rest go if only 1 or 2 of the 3 go to hell. 3. what is hell. |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by dolphinheart(m): 1:22pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
shadeyinka:is lake of fire same as hell fire? |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by Peacefullove: 1:27pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
shadeyinka: many christian believe this verse is talking about the angels of Noah's day. your bible called angels spirits , so the verse is referring to the disobedient angels in the days of Noah . as stated in that passage! focus on " Noah's day" people like you are programmed to think in one way direction . running around in circles . you earlier quote Matthew 10 vs 28 which raise two salient points 1: men cannot kill soul, but Joshua in the same bible destroy Souls Joshua 10 vs 39 , imagine Joshua destroying the so called immoral souls with swords I can't laugh abeg 2. the same verse insist that the Body will be in hell ! therefore how many bodies have disappeared from mortuary to hell according to this passage ? or Jesus is lying ? kindly address this .
oga abeg, how many of those who died and were raised back to life by Jesus give tales of an imaginary afterlife or hell ? stop deceiving yourselves , this are people who have experience death. death is death |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by dolphinheart(m): 1:37pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
shadeyinka: yes , Adam and Eve and billions of their desendant's died! King James Version Ge 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. King James Version Ps 104:29Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. King James Version Ec 3:20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. King James Version Ge 5:5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by RabbaRabbi: 1:38pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
dolphinheart: the body does not go to hell. It dies here on earth. The soul goes to hell... While the spirit goes to God... Ecclesiastes 12:7 ......... Hell is a place of torment where the devil and his co-horts are reserved for the final judgement day... 2 peter 2:4 |
Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by dolphinheart(m): 1:38pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
shadeyinka: it was a vision! |
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