raumdeuter:
BTW Icardi should be available,

He went to tell the Inter Milan ultras that he would import 100 bad ultras from Argentina who would kick their asss

He has been stripped of the captain band

raumdeuter:


Attacking wise what is different from this Liverpool vs the one that played Sevilla? Mane?

If this Liverpool were to be in Europe you would see how those normal continental teams would handle them not even the elites

nateevs:
Hehehe. Read the story about half an hour ago. He must be high on some cheap stuff. He could actually be murdered.

And Argentinian journalist, Carlos Monti, who works for Radio 10 claims the Mafia got involved to ‘help’ Lopez.

He claims two cars pulled up alongside the striker’s vehicle and offered to “finish him” or “end his football career” — they even asked if he wanted them to “break his legs.”

However, Lopez is reported to have declined the offer.

Nihilist:


Have a look at the stats below.

The likes of Griezman and Muller arent necessarily taking that many more shots than Hazard. Griezmann in particular took exactly the same number of shots as Hazard that year....and even had a lower shot accuracy...yet he scored more goals.

I posted earlier how 8 la liga teams in 2014/15 conceded 60+ goals that year, unlike England where only 1 team had such a shockingly bad defence, so perhaps this positively affected Griezmann's scoring rate.

But it's the number of keypasses I want to bring to your attention. Muller and Griezmann made significantly fewer key passes than Hazard - this is a function of players who are exclusively focused on scoring - Yet are unable to post significantly better raw numbers when it comes to shooting and goal scoring.

Ronaldo and Messi on the other hand have fantastic shooting AND passing numbers...and to me this is a clearest indicator of the skill bracket Hazard belongs to.

Griezmann is exclusively focused on scoring and yet cannot actually outshoot Hazard...

Hazard's problem is a mental problem, he has what it takes to at least be close to Ronaldo and Messi if not stay on par with them.

donjazet:

That was a one off event and Moreso that was last season. Liverpool have strengthened significantly since then. For forks sake, they have come out unscathed from all their clashes with the big teams this season.
One can definitely forgive mourinho for setting up defensively against them, forget the money spent, that team lacks cohesion and the team chemistry is languid right now, that comes with time. Considering both teams form, it was only logical for him to set up the team that way.

weedtaker:
^^^@donjazet i don't know why you are even answering dis apari ramuzaki, his yeye team couldn't hold on for a win against a team with 10men, yet he would be all around the whole sports thread on NL spewing gibberish about mou and unied, weda united na him team o, i no know.
you won't see him analyzing dia match, instead he would be busy debating who's to blame for for their conceded goal between boateng and hummels.

raumdeuter:


Mourinho has faced 2 big teams this season and he lined up the same timid way vs both of them. How has Liverpool strengthened since then?

Of the 10 outfield players who started yesterday 8 of them were there last season. So how has Liverpool strengthened significantly?[\quote]
I just answered that above.

[quote]Mou will Play Arsenal, Spurs Chelsea setup defensively and you will come up with how those are too strong for one of the most expensive squads in football.

We havent forgotten how he managed to out-negative even Diego Simeone atletico by starting 7 defenders, Pack the bus vs David Moyes joke of a team or even parked the bus vs 10men PSG

So what will happen if he meets Barca, Madrid Bayern of this world

donjazet:

How would you seriously ask me that? Klopp just had his first full preseason with the team which has further enabled his players to get to grips with what he wants. You can see better gameplay from the likes of firminho, coutinho Henderson now becoming a perfect midfield maestro. They have made very good acquisitions in mane and wildjandum(incorrect spelling). They now have very good balance and team chemistry.

raumdeuter:


So the streghtening was getting a full preseason which Mourinho also had with Man Utd since he was apointed Manure coach by May. That means 3 full months of preseason just like Klopp got and Mourinho probably spent much more than Klopp in the market

Wijdanum didnt play yesterday. It was only Mane and Matip(a central defender) that were the difference outfield from last seasons team

donjazet:


Dayo!! Seriously I don't think we should be arguing about this! Klopp has spent 1 full year with Liverpool. A FULL YEAR!!! That is more than enough time to drill your tactics into your team and shape them in your image. Mourinho in his 16 years of football management has never gone 2years without a title in one club.

Talking about new signings, don't wave the acquisitions of mane and Mario with ur hands! These are quality players who have been able to gel quickly into an already functioning team. Same can't be said about manu's signings, pogba is yet to click into gear, Zlatan is very static and slow(despite his other good qualities).

I believe given time. They will find the working chemistry.

raumdeuter:
BTW Icardi should be available,

He went to tell the Inter Milan ultras that he would import 100 bad ultras from Argentina who would kick their asss

He has been stripped of the captain band

Nihilstjnr:


Mourinho said that his team played "perfectly" last night.

His quotes not mine.

You clearly think that the rubbish Manyoo played last night was due to a malfunctioning team because 'an already functioning team' as you put it should play better.

Jose is telling you that the crap that he served up was by design...and this is despite having almost half-a-billion pounds worth of talent on the pitch.

donjazet:


What else would you have him say? Of course sniffling out the opponents fluid attack was his game plan and it worked but that was because the opponents in this case were quite better than his.
As for your half-a-billion pound statement, I think that argument is stale as it has been proved countlessly that price doesn't equate quality in football.

raumdeuter:


So if spending doesnt equal quality, SO was he just spending huge amount to waste money? He could have signed Chekou Kouyate for less

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho was not to blame for poor Anfield clash... hosts Liverpool were dreadful during the first half.

One of the abiding images of Manchester United’s last visit to Anfield before this week was of an irritated Sir Alex Ferguson chuntering feverishly in to the ear of chief executive Ed Woodward in the directors’ box. As Louis van Gaal’s hopeless team succumbed 2-0 in the Europa League last Spring, it was clear what Ferguson was saying.

Ferguson was at Anfield again on Monday and clearly in a better mood. He would not have been any more entertained than the rest of us by a very poor game but the former United manager was at least able to recognise a group of players functioning properly under the command of a proper modern coach.

Manchester United have improved under Mourinho. Admittedly, they were starting from a pretty low ebb but they have improved.

That is why they were able to leave Anfield with a point they deserved against a fancied Liverpool team and that is why, [size=12pt]in a poll run by the Manchester Evening News , 82 per cent of supporters said they were happy with what they had seen.

It is these supporters to whom Mourinho is obliged. To them and to the United board and not to the marketing men at Sky Sports who understandably ramped the hype around Monday’s game up to almost unprecedented levels.

Mourinho is a sports coach. His job is to move his team forward and he will do it in his own pragmatic way. This is the man the United board hired. In football, defending was once considered an art form too and on Merseyside the Portuguese showed that some coaches at least have not forgotten that.

Some say the way United played was an affront to the history of the club. They did not have a shot of note on target. That view is understandable but says more about the limitations of United’s squad than it does about the approach of their manager.

Mourinho travelled west on Monday knowing that if his team stood toe to toe with a more confident, in-form Liverpool team then the chances are United would have lost 4-2. Sky would have loved that and so would the rest of us but the poll on the MEN website would have looked very different.

The current United have deep and entrenched limitations, born of poor planning at the back end of the Ferguson era and three seasons of regression under David Moyes and Van Gaal. Mourinho will address these over time and if he can’t manage it then he, too, will be asked to make way.

United have their problems – such as Paul Pogba’s form – but to blame the visitors for this poor game is unfair and inaccurate. They were competitive.
There has been little criticism of Liverpool simply, it seems, because they finished the game strongly and brought two good saves from David de Gea. But it was all relative to how dreadful they had been during a first half that actually saw United begin as the more aggressive and assertive side.

Jurgen Klopp’s team were strong favourites but it was the Liverpool players who failed to carry out their coach’s plan. On the whole the failure was theirs and what was apparent once again with Liverpool – just as it was under Brendan Rodgers – was the absence of a Plan B – of another way of playing – when things aren’t going well.

On Radio Two they described the game as the worst football match of all time and played a highlights package that lasted 16 seconds and comprised commentary only of De Gea’s two saves.

It was all very amusing and captured the prevailing mood of disappointment very well. But when you think about it, we the viewers and listeners were victims of our own lack of perspective ahead of kick-off.

This is sport and as such it should never be taken for granted. Sometimes the unexpected happens. Equally, sometimes nothing happens.
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donjazet:


You know, I don't still get the basis of this argument. I was thinking you guys were simply trying to undermine his tactics yesterday or simply berate mourinho, now you're talking about his transfer policy.
Look at Madrid, they have been the highest spenders for the last decade but have just ONE league in that period.
However, History has it that mourinho spends a lot of money but also along with that, comes eventual success. Give him time, The results will come.

raumdeuter:


If that tactics was used by Hull City vs Man City and they got a result everyone would hail them because their resources are limited vs their opponents,

You cant divorce spending from expectations you cant buy the most expensive player in the world and say its okay to play like Stoke
You cant buy the most expensive car in the world and say you are okay if it performs like a Tokunbo toyota pencil light

Why are people expecting Man City to win the league and were not expecting them to win in 2005? Because Man City has bought expensive players and now expectations are different.

Madrid has 1 league in 7yrs because they are facing possibly the best footclub team of all time at their peak. Take away Barcelona and Madrid will win the league 5 out of 7yrs
They have 2 CL in 3yrs. I will trade winning 7 leagues back to back for just 2 CL in 3yrs

donjazet:


What else would you have him say? Of course sniffling out the opponents fluid attack was his game plan and it worked but that was because the opponents in this case were quite better than his.
As for your half-a-billion pound statement, I think that argument is stale as it has been proved countlessly that price doesn't equate quality in football.

donjazet:


What else would you have him say? Of course sniffling out the opponents fluid attack was his game plan and it worked but that was because the opponents in this case were quite better than his.
As for your half-a-billion pound statement, I think that argument is stale as it has been proved countlessly that price doesn't equate quality in football.

nateevs:



Are you admitting then that he spent money unwisely? Either way, there is a lot wrong with his approach and time doesn't solve those problems, as you are trying to make us believe.

How do you think Pep is faring under the same conditions?

Nihilstjnr:


Oh so Liverpool players are better than Manyoo's now?

Wetin i no go read this morning?

Mourinho has sold you a dummy. You better wake up.

Rashford is arguably the hottest young striker in Europe but we saw him playing rightback. Ibra is still one of the best strikers in thr game but both humself and pogba were used as advanced defensive midfielders.

Somebody else will handle this team for you and turn them into something else.

8 of the players that started agaimst Manyoo were signed during Rodgers tenure, same Rodgers who would get fired for poor performance.

The difference is the mamager. Rodgers was playing Milner in central midfield, Klopp plays him at left back. Coutinho used to play 10 under rodgers, now he's at left wing. Firminho used to play left wing, now hes the main striker. Henderson used to be box to box, Klopp is having him play DM. Lallana used to play right wing, now he's in the middle. Sturridge thst Rodgers used to rely on has now been cut from the team.

Thsts the difference between thr liverpool that got rodgers sacked and the liverpool that is better than Manyoo.

Liverpool better than Manyoo. Dont make me laugh like Shao Kahn.

lalaboi:
Somethings i see and i just wonder.

Mourinho is a defensive minded/Counter Attacking kinda coach and you should not expect less. its like expecting a chicken to fly because it has wings. Even being defensive, he has managed to break goal scoring records and points records using the same tactics over the years. What is wrong with it? What is wrong with admitting that you are facing a better team at the moment away from home and decide to play for a point or a win - Punters will call that Double Chance

Its classic Mourinho game plan. He doesn't want to lose the game and that's his first priority and i don't blame him.

Anyone who doesn't believe Liverpool are a stronger side this season or at the moment cant look into the mirror and be truthful about their looks. . whether they are handsome or not

Some people here know very well that Transfer fee does not equate talent but they will talk with the other side of their mouth and say Mou spent millions and that's the best he could come up with.
He is even barely 6months into the Job and people want magic at united. A team that has underachieved since the departure of SAF.

Make una continue.

lalaboi:
Somethings i see and i just wonder.

Mourinho is a defensive minded/Counter Attacking kinda coach and you should not expect less. its like expecting a chicken to fly because it has wings. Even being defensive, he has managed to break goal scoring records and points records using the same tactics over the years. What is wrong with it? What is wrong with admitting that you are facing a better team at the moment away from home and decide to play for a point or a win - Punters will call that Double Chance

Its classic Mourinho game plan. He doesn't want to lose the game and that's his first priority and i don't blame him.

Anyone who doesn't believe Liverpool are a stronger side this season or at the moment cant look into the mirror and be truthful about their looks. . whether they are handsome or not

Some people here know very well that Transfer fee does not equate talent but they will talk with the other side of their mouth and say Mou spent millions and that's the best he could come up with.
He is even barely 6months into the Job and people want magic at united. A team that has underachieved since the departure of SAF.

Make una continue.

larride:
What's the scoreline btw

Chelsea V Liverpool this season
Arsenal V Liverpool this season

Where is Liverpool on the league table
Where is Chelsea on the league table
Where is Arsenal on the league table

Nobody can argue that Liverpool team chemistry and form right now is top notch, Man Utd team is still a work in process.

Fact still remain that Man Utd is the only big team to have come out with a point against Liverpool this season.

Nihilstjnr:


The same Liverpool squad that got Rodgers sacked is all of a sudden better than Manyoo?

Make una take am easy abeg.

Abi have you forgotten thwt this same liverpool finished lower on the table than a much weaker Man United for the last 2 consecutive seasons?

So the excuse that a Manyoo side shorn of LVG and streghtened with 200m of talent just this summer, is weaker than Liverpool is scam designed to absolve Jose of his sins.

I can accept that from donjazet- he is a self-confessed Mourinho fan who announced his intentions to follow his hero and decamp to Manyoo this summer.

I can also accept such from bigkesh also known as Mourinholic

But I nor know say you sef be card carrying member of the Jose fab club.

donjazet:

Mancity were much more settled and balanced before pep came. What they lacked was just the consistency. Read the daily mail article above. A poll was carried out after the match for the fans to say how they felt and a whooping 82% felt satisfied.
Listen, I really don't know what you guys are really trying to Say. Mou is one of the best coaches in the world. For forks sake, he has the highest trophy count amongst all the coaches. He doesn't have anything to prove. His last league was won at almost a canter with an almost average team. That'has got to count, don't you think?