princesuko:


I see the Jabs . But how many Goals did He score in competitive games during his stay in the U17s?

No need for all these comparisons as they are all Nigerians. So many FIFA free windows between November and August next year. Rohr can cap many of those Anglo-Nigerian players and select the best for the national team squad.

safarigirl:
So, I had an argument with this guy who said we needed Dominic Solanke, I told him our current forward line cannot accommodate Solanke and he began asking me who we have that's better than Dominic. He called Ighalo a one-season wonder, said V Moses has glass legs, Musa is washed up, and he didn't even think Etebo was worth a recognition.

Maybe na me no dey understand, but please, does anyone have stats that prove this Dominic is better than our current options on the forward line or are people still rating him based on English media hype?

TheSuperNerd, come and do revision on the Topic ''Plastic Fan'' to Safarigirl once more.

I thought you know so much about these plastic fans and their mode of argument already.

Plastic fans don not argue with facts or stats,(but not Sir Forgiveness' ''Fact'' ) especially when they know those facts or stats are not in their favour.
That particular guy may not even know Etebor exist


They just wakeup to hate some certain players without any reason, just because it's in them to do so.
Do you need any magician to tell you how relevant and hardly ''replaceable'' some players are to the national team

Stop arguing with plastic fans else you go mad
I was in a viewing hall some time last year. A guy known to watch most premier league matches argued that Dele Ali has no link with Nigeria.

Dominic Solanke should be considered for the future. For now he is not needed.
It is good I make this clarification before someone calls for my head

terzurum5:

TheSuperNerd, come and do revision on the Topic ''Plastic Fan'' to Safarigirl once more.

I thought you know so much about these plastic fans and their mode of argument already.

Plastic fans don not argue with facts or stats,(but not Sir Forgiveness' ''Fact'' ) especially when they know those facts or stats are not in their favour.
That particular guy may not even know Etebor exist


They just wakeup to hate some certain players without any reason, just because it's in them to do so.
Do you need any magician to tell you how relevant and hardly ''replaceable'' some players are to the national team

Stop arguing with plastic fans else you go mad
I was in a viewing hall some time last year. A guy known to watch most premier league matches argued that Dele Ali has no link with Nigeria.

Dominic Solanke should be considered for the future. For now he is not needed.
It is good I make this clarification before someone calls for my head

But Solanke belongs to the generation of Iwobi, Iheanacho,,Success, Simon, Ndidi, Etebo and the likes. Their future has come. Let us strive to get Solanke and add him to the pool.This will make the team more competitive.

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But Solanke belongs to the generation of Iwobi, Iheanacho,,Success, Simon, Ndidi, Etebo and the likes. There future has come. Let us strive to get Solanke and add him to the pool.This will make the team more competitive.

Well said Sir.

Forgiveness be like right now

Loooooolllllll........ Sir Terzurum oooo..... Looollll

For Revision on "plastic fans", pls go back a few pages...

Well, truth is.... I rate Solanke. I even have videos on him.... but let no one start sounding like he's the best thing bound to happen to us since "Yekini" in our attack.

I want Solanke to be secured for us. WE NEED AS MANY QUALITY PLAYERS IN THIS NEW RISING GOLDEN GENERATION AS POSSIBLE.

As much as we need a solid first XI going forward in the post-mikel era, we also need a super bench and quality pool of players we can bank on anytime.... And the likes of Dominic Solanke, Tammy Abraham, Dominic Iorfa Jnr, Ogo Obi, Kingsley Ehizibue, Tyrone Ebuehi, Tosin Adarabioyo, Moses Odubajo, Ashinme Kigbu, Ademola Lookman, Tosin Kehinde, Olufela Olomola, Dele-Bashiru, Viv-Solomon Otabor, and a couple of other foreign-borns should be considered seriously as time goes on....


On Solanke, I dropped Success' stats to show Solanke isn't even as prolific as THE BEAST in the no.9 role. I didn't even speak of Iheanacho at higher levels... Just wanted to focus on the U-17s where Nacho was mostly "bench material" sef.

Competition is surely needed but it's obvious Solanke may be bench material in our new era with strikers like Osimhen, Sadiq Umar and even Success (when operating as a no.9- his natural position) rising strong.

Note: Chuba Akpom is also on our radar too ooooo.....

terzurum5:

TheSuperNerd, come and do revision on the Topic ''Plastic Fan'' to Safarigirl once more.

I thought you know so much about these plastic fans and their mode of argument already.

Plastic fans don not argue with facts or stats,(but not Sir Forgiveness' ''Fact'' ) especially when they know those facts or stats are not in their favour.
That particular guy may not even know Etebor exist


They just wakeup to hate some certain players without any reason, just because it's in them to do so.
Do you need any magician to tell you how relevant and hardly ''replaceable'' some players are to the national team

Stop arguing with plastic fans else you go mad
I was in a viewing hall some time last year. A guy known to watch most premier league matches argued that Dele Ali has no link with Nigeria.

Dominic Solanke should be considered for the future. For now he is not needed.
It is good I make this clarification before someone calls for my head

After November 2016, we only have March and June fifa windows to utilise in 2017.

Hence, we can only play a total of four friendlies with two for each fifa window.

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No need for all these comparisons as they are all Nigerians. So many FIFA free windows between November and August next year. Rohr can cap many of those Anglo-Nigerian players and select the best for the national team squad.

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But Solanke belongs to the generation of Iwobi, Iheanacho,,Success, Simon, Ndidi, Etebo and the likes. Their future has come. Let us strive to get Solanke and add him to the pool.This will make the team more competitive.

Who do you drop for Solanke in the team? You forget we already have a pool of young players and we have important qualifiers ahead. We certainly do not have the luxury of unneccessary experimenting.
There is plenty of time for Solanke to join in the future. Certainly not now.

If we must integrate new players now they must be players who play positions such as the full back that we are in dire need of. Or they must be provenly far better than the options we have on ground for other positions other than the full backs

Generals03:


Who do you drop for Solanke in the team? You forget we already have a pool of young players and we have important qualifiers ahead. We certainly do not have the luxury of unneccessary experimenting.
There is plenty of time for Solanke to join in the future. Certainly not now.

If we must integrate new players now they must be players who play positions such as the full back that we are in dire need of. Or they must be provenly far better than the options we have on ground for other positions other than the full backs

If only u have been following my comments on this thread.....I thought i was just reading my own comments.

I would like to see more of you here.

TheSuperNerd:
After November 2016, we only have March and June fifa windows to utilise in 2017.

Hence, we can only play a total of four friendlies with two for each fifa window.

That for me is enough.

The friendlies in march for "Wild" experiments and the one or two in June to map out strategies with the main squad.

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1. Noted Nwosu i think was second to Bouderbala of Morocco.

2. Henry Nwosu played mostly as the number 10/AM. Number 10 those days were CMF. Nwosu reigned from 1980 AFCON(though a sub) to 1989 as our "Maradona" This is jst like the way Mikel of today play DMF, CMF & AMF

3. Yes Oliha deputised for Kparko at Algiers 90 but Oliha took over and reigned up till the 1994 WC when Okocha had come of age. Kparko was a one off player.Oliha played 3 AFCON as the CMF.

4. Pls quote the paragraph where I mentioned that Okocha played 1990 AFCON


Those things i wrote from my memory not from google or youtube videos. So if you think there is any information I miss-represented and u are sure, then feel free to call it up. No one is an island of knowledge or infornation.

1, Henry Nwosu was not dynamic like Mikel Obi. He was was a attacking midfielder from the rw. He was not the one that controlled the midfield.

2, In 1992, there was Friday Ekpo(the number 10) and Mutui Adepoju of Real Madrid. In 1994, he was not the main man. There was Mutui Adepoju and Austin Okocha.

3, I am not good at storing football informations on my head hence the need to source for legitimate informations though I have ideas of what I am talking about.

Only me!

I will be back.

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Hmmm 3-4-3. After watching Watford and Chelsea. Ok o.

Why, did u think i saw it in a dream?

forgiveness:



1, Henry Nwosu was not dynamic like Mikel Obi. He was was a attacking midfielder from the rw. He was not the one that controlled the midfield.

2, In 1992, there was Friday Ekpo(the number 10) and Mutui Adepoju of Real Madrid. In 1994, he was not the main man. There was Mutui Adepoju and Austin Okocha.

3, I am not good at storing football informations on my head hence the need to source for legitimate informations though I have ideas of what I am talking about.

1.Henry Nwosu was a CMF/AMF. I am sure u know players were nt as dynamic as they are today. Eg LB and RB hardly overlaped. And pls who controlled the midfield if not Nwosu.

2. Friday Ekpo was at Senegal '92 but a sub to Oliha. Thompson Oliha was the main CMF before Okocha took over. He even benched Okocha at the 1994 AFCON and '94 WC. Did i see you mention Okocha for 1992? Was Adepoju a CMF?

3. There are so many information u cant find on the net. Several. It is only when u withness those events that u can have such info.

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1.Henry Nwosu was a CMF/AMF. I am sure u know players were nt as dynamic as they are today. Eg LB and RB hardly overlaped. And pls who controlled the midfield if not Nwosu.

2. Friday Ekpo was at Senegal '92 but a sub to Oliha. Thompson Oliha was the main CMF before Okocha took over. He even benched Okocha at the 1994 AFCON and '94 WC. Did i see you mention Okocha for 1992? Was Adepoju a CMF?

3. There are so many information u cant find on the net. Several. It is only when u withness those events that u can have such info.

What was the formation the Green Eagles used in the 80s and 90s?

That is how we will know.

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1.Henry Nwosu was a CMF/AMF. I am sure u know players were nt as dynamic as they are today. Eg LB and RB hardly overlaped. And pls who controlled the midfield if not Nwosu.

2. Friday Ekpo was at Senegal '92 but a sub to Oliha. Thompson Oliha was the main CMF before Okocha took over. He even benched Okocha at the 1994 AFCON and '94 WC. Did i see you mention Okocha for 1992? Was Adepoju a CMF?

3. There are so many information u cant find on the net. Several. It is only when u withness those events that u can have such info.

Of course, some players where dynamic then.

Muda Lawal was a DMF, CMF and AMF. I think you know that.

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1. Noted Nwosu i think was second to Bouderbala of Morocco.

2. Henry Nwosu played mostly as the number 10/AM. Number 10 those days were CMF. Nwosu reigned from 1980 AFCON(though a sub) to 1989 as our "Maradona" This is jst like the way Mikel of today play DMF, CMF & AMF

3. Yes Oliha deputised for Kparko at Algiers 90 but Oliha took over and reigned up till the 1994 WC when Okocha had come of age. Kparko was a one off player.Oliha played 3 AFCON as the CMF.

4. Pls quote the paragraph where I mentioned that Okocha played 1990 AFCON


Those things i wrote from my memory not from google or youtube videos. So if you think there is any information I miss-represented and u are sure, then feel free to call it up. No one is an island of knowledge or infornation.

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As far as the current crop of players are concerned, we have no replacement for Mikel. We only have players we can jst manage to cope with and pray our opponents dnt capitilise on the weekness.

Top on my "interim" replacement for Mikel if injured is Oghenekaro Etebo. He showed he could cope with the demands from a CMF in the Egypt double header.He also played that role occassionally at the 2015 CAF U23 tourney.

Another player we can consider is Raheem Lawal.

Our permament replacement for John Obi Mikel is still in the bakery of Arsene Wenger , though currently on loan to a Dutch second division side: KELECHI (CARZOLA) NWAKALI


JUST A LITTLE FROM MY HISTORY BOOK OF NIGERIAN FOOTBALL

I have been following different generations of our CMF starting from the 1980s:From Henry Nwosu to Thompson Oliha to Austine Okocha to Obi Mikel.

Quality CMF emerge once in a decade.

Henry Nwosu was the master that emerged in the 1980s. Young Nwosu started playing that role enrout qualification for 1982 WC. He was just 18years old! He scored Nigeria's only goal in the semifinal of that qualification against Guinea. 1-0 aggregate win. I dnt watch that game but i saw the clips some time in the late 80s. Nwosu was the CMF marshal from then on. 20yrs old Etim Esim emerged during qualifiers for the 1986 AFCON. We didnt qualify. He kept Nwosu on his toes. Etim again was in the squad for qualifiers for 1988 AFCON. By then he was playing with Gent of Belgium while Nwosu was at ACB of Lagos. Etim could have easily walked into that CMF role.However, he had a rape case and ran away from Europe to his village in the then Cross Rivers state . Nwosu went ahead to win the Golden Ball award at Maroc '88.

Westerhof came in with a 21yrs old Thompson Oliha at Algiers '90 AFCON. Oliha marshalled the position even up to 1994 AFCON and WC. Okocha was a sub to Oliha in both tourneys. 20yrs old Okocha debuted against Algeria enroute qualification for 1994 WC. He scored from a free -kick.

Okocha's final break through came after his performance in that Second round game against Italy. Where he was sending the Italian players to "go buy akara at Dugbe market" . Ekpo never came back to the team.

Okocha's legendary held sway even up to the mid 2000s. At a point we never believed Okocha would retire one day. We suddenly woke up to realise that we needed a replacement for him. Christian Obodo, aka bundle of skills, a product of the 2001 Flying Eagles, was performing magic with his skills at Peruggia of Italy.
A 21 yrs old Obodo was invited but.. Okocha had widened the shoe.

We managed with Okocha until John Obi Mikel, a product of 2003 Eaglets & 2005 Flying Eagles emerged. 19yrs old Mikel's Debute game was a gainst Zimbabwe at the 2006 AFCON. He scored few minutes after being introduced. That was the begining of the end of Okocha's reign.

Mikel we still have today, but at 29 there is need to once again introduce a youngster to carry us further. Introducing Kelechi (Carzola) Nwakali, an 18yrs old product of the all conquering 2015 Eaglets. He currently stands out, in terms of talent and skills, among his generation. We expect Rohr to gradually introduce him into the team. I dnt see Mikel post 2018 WC. Hope Kelechi Nwakali would have matured enough to step into that shoe.

Note the age at which Nwosu, Okocha and Mikel were introduced into the team. Our greatest CMF were those introduced at a very young age and allowed to grow in the team. Food for thought for our coaches.

Humm! @bolded is the answer to question 4.

forgiveness:





Humm! @bolded is the answer to question 4.

Go back, fara ba le and read what u bolded again.

Infact read the whole paragraph again. And go back to ur google to check

spot on! use the march friendlies to test new players and tactics (we shouldn't bother too many of our regulars as they would most probably be heading for the home stretch of the season with their clubs) then we add players who impressed in those friendlies to our main squad in june.

we should target specific areas we know we are weak in to scout for players eg. right-back, left-back, prolific centre forward etc

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That for me is enough.

The friendlies in march for "Wild" experiments and the one or two in June to map out strategies with the main squad.

i think he meant emmanuel okocha jayjay's older brother who played for nigeria at the 1990 AFCON in algeria

forgiveness:





Humm! @bolded is the answer to question 4.

chrisooblog:
i think he meant emmanuel okocha jayjay's older brother who played for nigeria at the 1990 AFCON in algeria

Pls read that paragraph forgiveness bolded again.

henry nwosu was really promising but faded away after 88 AFCON

90-92 it was a combination of oliha, ekpo and adepoju. adepoju could play CM but westerhof primarily used him as a DM

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1.Henry Nwosu was a CMF/AMF. I am sure u know players were nt as dynamic as they are today. Eg LB and RB hardly overlaped. And pls who controlled the midfield if not Nwosu.

2. Friday Ekpo was at Senegal '92 but a sub to Oliha. Thompson Oliha was the main CMF before Okocha took over. He even benched Okocha at the 1994 AFCON and '94 WC. Did i see you mention Okocha for 1992? Was Adepoju a CMF?

3. There are so many information u cant find on the net. Several. It is only when u withness those events that u can have such info.

ok i don see am. forgiveness nawa to you o! na USA 94 and AFCON 94 icon dey talk. for where algeria 90 come join enter?

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Pls read that paragraph forgiveness bolded again.

chrisooblog:
henry nwosu was really promising but faded away after 88 AFCON

90-92 it was a combination of oliha, ekpo and adepoju. adepoju could play CM but westerhof primarily used him as a DM

Yeah, age caught up with Nwosu after Maroc '88. One questions whether he was really 17 @ Nigeria '80.

Adepoju was more of an AMF, though he could play also as a CMF.
Just like today severally AMFs then could be drafted as CMFs.
But the main CMF under Westerhof before JJ Okocha was Thompson Oliha.

Did Adepoju ever play as a DMF?

chrisooblog:
ok i don see am. forgiveness nawa to you o! na USA 94 and AFCON 94 icon dey talk. for where algeria 90 come join enter?

Dnt mind him. Always in a haste to criticise without properly reading the details.

my mistake.

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Go back, fara ba le and read what u bolded again.

Infact read the whole paragraph again. And go back to ur google to check

Chai! My mistake.

forgiveness:
my mistake.

Were 1994 AFCON and '94 WC same competition?

And were they held in 1990?

forgiveness:
my mistake.

You see your life outside?

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Go back, fara ba le and read what u bolded again.

Infact read the whole paragraph again. And go back to ur google to check

I watched Nigeria 99 live at the National stadium in Lagos. I saw Xavi and some players live.

I watched all the matches of 2000 Ghana/Nigeria AFCON live at National stadium Lagos. I only missed the finals because of shitta touts who almost robbed me in front of Nigeria police after the semi finals.

But I can't remember one thing except for the attempted robbery incident.

So, does that makes me a novice?

Bros, you watch those matches live?

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You see your life outside?

na only dat one na.

forgiveness:


I watched Nigeria 99 live at the National stadium in Lagos. I saw Xavi and some players live.

I watched all the matches of 2000 Ghana/Nigeria AFCON live at National stadium Lagos. I only missed the finals because of shitta touts who almost robbed me in front of Nigeria police after the semi finals.

But I can't remember one thing except for the attempted robbery incident.

So, does that makes me a novice?

Bros, you watch those matches live?

Nigeria 99? Ghana/ Nigeria 2000? By that time me don stop to dey watch ball sef.

I Watched Euro '84 and China '85 u dey talk of 1999/2000 competitions. For Maroc '88 I still have images of key matches and actions in my head. All those afro heads with soccer paints and small shirts.

Na white we like to dey wear most then.

Algiers 90, Senegal '92 i still remember wella. Even the colour of jessey we wore and the sides of the pitch we were at kickoff.

Samuel Okwaraji no get "dada" for Maroc '88. He made the dreads for Seoul Olympics '88.

U cant get those on google.

forgiveness:


na only dat one na.

Ijabo na ijabo.