Kay17:


First of all if you are going to quote the bible for support you must accept the bible's divine validity and its consequent incorruptible nature. That's a precondition you can not do without.

Second where can i find the requirements that state this and that must be what a Quran must have before it becomes valid. In other words what is the source of the requirements for the Quran"s validity.

Third isn't there a sentiment value to the Quran that people will feel repulsed by any attempt to discredit the holy book?

My simple question for you here is
Do you believe Bible to be 100% word of GOD n was well-preserved over the centuries in its original manuscripts ? meaning is free from errors, alteration etc?
Answer the above before i proceed to answer ur queries

aminusanti:


My simple question for you here is
Do you believe Bible to be 100% word of GOD n was well-preserved over the centuries in its original manuscripts ? meaning is free from errors, alteration etc?
Answer the above before i proceed to answer ur queries

No i don't

All of you haters trying to criticize the Islamic Religion, do you think your religion is better?
If your religion is better, please answer this three questions correctly.
1. How may times is Mary the mother of Jesus mentioned in the Bible?
2. The Bible says nobody should worship anything imagery, why do Catholics do so?
3. Why are some churches celebrating Christmas and some doesn't?
As for me, I love my religion, nobody on this planet Earth will make me quit my religion.
Since you were born, have you ever see a Muslim worship anything imagery? Have you ever heard somewhere that a Muslim doesn't celebrate Salah?
Salam, waiting for your reply. Thanks

aminusanti:


My simple question for you here is
Do you believe Bible to be 100% word of GOD n was well-preserved over the centuries in its original manuscripts ? meaning is free from errors, alteration etc?
Answer the above before i proceed to answer ur queries

Yes I believe the Holy Bible is 100% God's word.

fatenzy:
All of you haters trying to criticize the Islamic Religion, do you think your religion is better?
If your religion is better, please answer this three questions correctly.
1. How may times is Mary the mother of Jesus mentioned in the Bible?

Quite a few, significant times. Let me list the
times Mary, the Mother God (Jesus), is mentioned
specifically and/or referenced in Sacred Scripture:
Hope this helps.
1. Genesis 3:15 - complete enmity between
woman and Satan
2. Exodus 25 - Ark of the Old Covenant is a
prefiguring of Mary who serves as the Ark of
New Covenant
3. Luke 1 - Gabriel visits Mary
4. Luke 1 - Gabriel talks to Joseph about Mary
5. Luke 1 - Mary visits Elizabeth
6. Luke 2 - Mary finds Jesus at the Temple
7. John 2 - Mary asks Jesus to perform His first
miracle at Cana
8. John 19 - Mary entrusted to John at the Cross
9. Acts 1 - Mary at Pentecost
10. Revelation 12 - Woman clothed in the sun,
her Son rules the nations with an iron rod

fatenzy:
All of you haters trying to criticize the Islamic Religion, do you think your religion is better?
If your religion is better, please answer this three questions correctly.
2. The Bible says nobody should worship anything imagery, why do Catholics do so?

Go ask a Catholic

3. Why are some churches celebrating Christmas and some doesn't?

I celebrate Christmas, Go ask those who don't celebrate

Since you were born, have you ever see a Muslim worship anything imagery?

the bead you use in praying, is that not an image?

fatenzy:
All of you haters trying to criticize the Islamic Religion, do you think your religion is better?

As for me, I love my religion, nobody on this planet Earth will make me quit my religion.

It a good thing you love a religion that gives birth to boko haram and the rest in the middle east that are killing in the name of Islam.

now i got some questions for all the Muslims:

[b] 1. you claim Islam is a religion of peace, how do you justify the killing by Islamic extremists?

2. why do terrorist quote the Quran before and after killing people?

3. Does the Quran permits you to kill and force girls into marriage when they are not matured enough to get married?

4. Islam we know that Muhammad is to be the greatest
prophet, but the Qur’an calls Jesus holy in chapter 11, but
never calls Muhammad holy although he is supposed to be
the greater prophet. why is this?

5. In chapter 18 of the Qur’an, Allah told Muhammad that the
sun sets in a pool of muddy water. How can the Qur’an
really be of God when this is obviously wrong?

6. How can you reconcile that in Chapter 19 of the Qur’an that
it says that Mary (Miriam), the mother of Jesus was the
sister of Moses?
We know that Moses had a sister named Miriam, but
Muhammad got a little confused here, didn’t he? He has her
displaced by some 2,000 years. This happens again in
chapter 7.

7. chapter 7 of the Qur’an we find Moses living at the same
time as Christ’s disciples. Again, this is some 2,000 years
out of the proper time. How can this be?

8. In chapters 21 and 37, the Qur’an says that all the sons of
Noah were saved in the ark, but in chapter 11 it says that
one of his sons drowned, that he didn’t even get on the ark.
It says that he was going to go to a high mountain and save
himself. How can this be?

9. In chapter 17 the Qur’an says that Pharaoh drowned in the
Red Sea, but in chapter 10 it says that he survived. How do
you reconcile this?

10. In chapter 7 it says Allah does not forgive shirk
(blasphemy), but in chapter 4 and chapter 25 we see him
forgiving shirk. How can this be?

11. In chapter 35 we are told that angels have a total of 6 wings,
but it is recorded that Muhammad said that the angel Gabriel
had 600 wings. How can this be?

12. Who was the first Muslim? In chapter 39, Muhammad said
that he was, but chapter 7 says it was Moses, and chapter 2
says it was Abraham.

13. In chapter 7 we find that the Jews repented of their
worshipping of the golden calf, but in chapter 20 we are told
that they didn’t. Which is true?[/b]

If you are unable to answer this questions correct with prove then know you're living in darkness.

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Clementor:


Yes I believe the Holy Bible is 100% God's word.

Let me take it slowly with u
Kindly explain these few out of hundreds contradictions

[size=13pt]Can God can be seen?[/size]

Yes: And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts. (Exo 33:23)


And the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. (Exo 33:11)


For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen 32:30)

No: No man hath seen God at any time. (Joh 1:18)


And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live. (Exo 33:20)


Whom no man hath seen nor can see. (1 Tim 6:16)


[size=13pt]Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?[/size]

I and my Father are one. (Joh 10:30)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (Joh 14:28)


[size=13pt]The sins of the Father[/size]
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. (Isa 14:21)

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deu 24:16)

[size=13pt]Ascend to heaven[/size]
And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2KI 2:11)

No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man. (Joh 3:13)


[size=13pt]Judging[/size]
1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."

fatenzy:
All of you haters trying to criticize the Islamic Religion, do you think your religion is better?
If your religion is better, please answer this three questions correctly.
1. How may times is Mary the mother of Jesus mentioned in the Bible?
2. The Bible says nobody should worship anything imagery, why do Catholics do so?
3. Why are some churches celebrating Christmas and some doesn't?
As for me, I love my religion, nobody on this planet Earth will make me quit my religion.
Since you were born, have you ever see a Muslim worship anything imagery? Have you ever heard somewhere that a Muslim doesn't celebrate Salah?
Salam, waiting for your reply. Thanks

So your religion is correct because you don't worship imagery and the Christians do? Hahahaha.

aminusanti:
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Let me take it slowly with u
Kindly explain these few out of hundreds contradictions

[size=13pt]Can God can be seen?[/size]

Yes: And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts. (Exo 33:23)


And the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. (Exo 33:11)


For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen 32:30)

No: No man hath seen God at any time. (Joh 1:18)


And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live. (Exo 33:20)


Whom no man hath seen nor can see. (1 Tim 6:16)

The Bible is internally consistent, and does not
contradict itself. The “contradiction” is the
result of the passages being taken out of the
context in which they were written originally.
For example, consider the following two
statements. Joe is rich; Joe is poor. Do these
statements contradict one another? Not
necessarily.

We must remember first of all that two
statements which in terms flatly contradict
one another may be both of them absolutely
true, for the reason that the two terms are
not used in the same sense in the two
statements (1907, p. 80).
That is exactly what has happened in texts
such as John 1:18 and Genesis 32:30. The
passages seem to contradict one another, but
when considered in their appropriate context
they do not because they are not speaking of
God being “seen” in the same sense. Several
illustrations of this principle can be found in
Scripture.

First, consider Moses “seeing” God in a
burning bush (Exodus 3:2ff.). He saw a fire on
the side of a mountain. When he went to
investigate, he saw a bush that burned but
was not consumed. As he observed this
unusual sight, God called to him from the
midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.” Then the voice
from the burning bush echoed: “I am the God
of your father—the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” (Exodus 3:6a).
The text indicates that “Moses hid his face, for
he was afraid to look upon God” (3:6b).
As Moses spoke to the burning bush on the
mountainside, was he addressing God? Indeed
he was, as the passage clearly teaches. But
does the passage also teach that as he looked
at the bush, Moses was fearful because he
considered it “seeing” God? Yes, Exodus 3:6b
so states.
When Moses looked upon the burning bush,
did he actually “see” God? No. He saw an
image that we as humans can comprehend.
The bush was a representation of God—an
occasion where something took God’s place.

Second, consider Job’s “seeing” God in a
whirlwind (Job 38:1ff.). Job made a wrongful
boast that landed him in serious trouble with
God. Suddenly (and unexpectedly) a
whirlwind appeared before Job—from which
the voice of God echoed: “Who is this who
darkens counsel by words without
knowledge? Now prepare yourself like a man; I
will question you, and you shall answer
me” (Job 38:2-3). Job looked at the whirlwind
and heard God. But was God really in the
whirlwind? Did Job actually see God when he
looked into this magnificent force of nature?
No. Instead, Job saw a manifestation of God
that a human could comprehend. The
whirlwind “took God’s place.”

Third, consider Jacob’s “seeing” God as he
wrestled with an angel (Genesis 32:24-30). He
wrestled from night until daybreak with this
heavenly being and eventually said: “ I have
seen God face to face.” Was it really God that
Jacob saw? No, he did not see God but instead
witnessed a representative of God.

A similar example can be found in the case of Manoah
(the father of Samson), recorded in Judges 13.
In this instance, the text says that Manoah and
his wife were visited by the “Angel of the
Lord” (13:13) who informed them of their son’s
impending birth. Afterwards, Manoah said:
“We shall surely die because we have seen
God! (13:22). Again, it is necessary to ask: Was
it really God that Manoah and his wife saw?
No, they did not see God but instead witnessed
(just as Jacob had) a manifestation of God via
the angel. [NOTE: A fascinating parallel can be
seen in Gideon’s statement in Judges 6:22
when he cried: “I have seen the Angel of the
Lord face to face.”]

What, then is the explanation of the alleged
contradiction between passages such as John
1:18, Exodus 33:20, and Genesis 32:30? How can
the Scriptures state that “no man hath seen
God” (John 1:18) or that “no man shall see Me
and live” (Exodus 33:20), while stating
elsewhere that Jacob saw God “face to
face” (Genesis 32:30) and that Manoah and his
wife had “seen God” (Judges 6:22)?

When Jacob is represented as saying he saw
God, it was only an angel of God that
appeared to him in the form of a man. In
Hosea it is called an angel so that in that
case Jacob did not see the face of God at all,
but only an angel of God.

aminusanti:
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[size=13pt]Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?[/size]

I and my Father are one. (Joh 10:30)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (Joh 14:28)

The Father is greater than the Son by
office, but not by nature, since both are God (see
John 1:1 ; 8:58 ; 10:30 ). Just as an earthly father is
equally human with, but holds a higher office than,
his son, even so the Father and the Son in the
Trinity are equal in essence, but different in
function. In like manner, we speak of the president
of our country as being a greater man, not by virtue
of his character, but by virtue of his position.
Therefore, Jesus cannot ever be said to say that
He considered Himself anything less than God by
nature. The following summary helps to crystalize
the differences.

[size=13pt]The sins of the Father[/size]
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. (Isa 14:21)

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deu 24:16)

you think that God’s statements in
Deut 24:16 imply that He (God)
wouldn’t punish children for the sins of their
fathers. A brief read (in context) of the verse
will show you that God doesn’t say anything
about what HE will or won’t do, He is merely
giving a command about what MEN should or
shouldn’t do. MEN are not supposed to punish
the son for his father’s sins (societal rule).
However GOD will “consciously” make the
consequences of a father’s actions to be a point
of suffering for his children in the future down
to the third and fourth generation. If sin did not
have consequences on others then what would
make it wrong?

Isaiah 14:21 is speaking metaphorically about the
coming ruin of Babylon . Obviously, as in all wars
innocent lives would be harmed, children were
to be killed because the evil of their fathers
warranted the complete destruction of the
kingdom. The children however were not held
guilty for their parent’s sins. This concept as well
as incidents spoken of in Exod 12:29, 2Sam 12:14,
Deut 23:2, Num 14:33, Rom 5:19, Noah’s flood and
Sodom and Gomorrah (which all concern how
God deals with sin) do not contradict Ezek 18:20
or Deut 24:16 because the latter two verses are
rules for society and merely concern how MEN
are to deal with sin.

[size=13pt]Ascend to heaven[/size]
And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2KI 2:11)

No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man. (Joh 3:13)

In John 3:13 Jesus says to Nicodemus,
“No one has ever gone into heaven except the one
who came from heaven–the Son of Man .” This
verse is somewhat difficult to interpret and is often
misunderstood. It is also frequently used by those
who want to find contradictions in the Bible.

We must keep the verse in context. In verses
10-12, especially, we see that Jesus is talking
about His authority and the validity of His
teaching. Jesus tells Nicodemus that He has been
teaching what He knew firsthand: “We speak of
what we know, and we testify to what we have
seen” (verse 11). Then, in verse 13 Jesus explains
why He is uniquely qualified to teach of the
kingdom of God—namely, because He alone came
down from heaven and possesses the knowledge
to teach people about heaven. Jesus alone has
seen the Father, and He alone is qualified to
declare God and make Him known (John 1:18 ).

The gist of John 3:13 is this: “None of your earthly
teachers can really teach you about heaven,
because none of them have actually been there.
However, I have been there. In fact, it is My home.
I have come to you from heaven, and I have
brought with Me experiential knowledge of that
place. My testimony carries weight; I can tell you
the truth about salvation.” The NLT brings out the
meaning well: “No one has ever gone to heaven
and returned. But the Son of Man has come down
from heaven.”

In claiming a heavenly abode, Jesus was claiming
deity. Nicodemus himself had already admitted
that Jesus was extraordinary when he said, “We
know you are a teacher who has come from
God” (verse 2).

Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone
to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament
saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they
died (Mark 12:26-27 ), and Enoch and Elijah had
been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24 ;
Hebrews 11:5 ; 2 Kings 2:11 ). Rather, He was
teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best
credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven;
He is an expert on the subject.

[size=13pt]Judging[/size]
1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."

there is no contradiction here but let me clear your brain

But he that is spiritual - The man who is enlightened by the
Holy Spirit in contradistinction from him who is under the
influence of the senses only.

Judgeth - Greek: "Discerns." (margin); the same word as in
the previous verse. It means that the spiritual man has a
discernment of these truths in regard to which the sensual
man was blind and ignorant.

All things - Not absolutely all things; or not that he is
omniscient; but that he has a view of those things to which
the apostle had reference - that is, to the things which are
revealed to man by the Holy Spirit.

Yet he himself is judged - Greek, as in the margin, "is
discerned;" that is, his feelings, principles, views, hopes,
fears, joys, cannot be fully understood and appreciated by
any natural or sensual man. He does not comprehend the
principles which actuate him; he does not enter into his joys;
he does not sympathize with him in his feelings. This is a
matter of simple truth and universal observation. The reason
is added in the following verse, that as the Christian is
influenced by the Lord and as the natural man does not
know him, so he cannot know him who is influenced by him;
that is the Christian.

aminusanti:
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Let me take it slowly with u
Kindly explain these few out of hundreds contradictions

If after all this explanation you're still confuse, i will advice you to do what you're so called holy book said.
[Quran 10:94] - And if thou art in doubt
concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those
who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth
from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the
waverers.

but before then, kindly explain these few contradictions.


[b]1. you claim Islam is a religion of peace, how do you justify
the killing by Islamic extremists?

2. why do terrorist quote/read from the Quran before and after killing people?

3. Does the Quran permits you to kill and force girls into
marriage when they are not matured enough to get married?

4. Islam we know that Muhammad is to be the greatest
prophet, but the Qur’an calls Jesus holy in chapter 11, but
never calls Muhammad holy although he is supposed to be
the greater prophet. why is this?

5. In chapter 18 of the Qur’an, Allah told Muhammad that the
sun sets in a pool of muddy water. How can the Qur’an
really be of God when this is obviously wrong?

6. How can you reconcile that in Chapter 19 of the Qur’an that
it says that Mary (Miriam), the mother of Jesus was the
sister of Moses?
We know that Moses had a sister named Miriam, but
Muhammad got a little confused here, didn’t he? He has her
displaced by some 2,000 years. This happens again in
chapter 7.

7. chapter 7 of the Qur’an we find Moses living at the same
time as Christ’s disciples. Again, this is some 2,000 years
out of the proper time. How can this be?

8. In chapters 21 and 37, the Qur’an says that all the sons of
Noah were saved in the ark, but in chapter 11 it says that
one of his sons drowned, that he didn’t even get on the ark.
It says that he was going to go to a high mountain and save
himself. How can this be?

9. In chapter 17 the Qur’an says that Pharaoh drowned in the
Red Sea, but in chapter 10 it says that he survived. How do
you reconcile this?

10. In chapter 7 it says Allah does not forgive shirk
(blasphemy), but in chapter 4 and chapter 25 we see him
forgiving shirk. How can this be?

11. In chapter 35 we are told that angels have a total of 6
wings,
but it is recorded that Muhammad said that the angel Gabriel
had 600 wings. How can this be?

12. Who was the first Muslim? In chapter 39, Muhammad said
that he was, but chapter 7 says it was Moses, and chapter 2
says it was Abraham.

13. In chapter 7 we find that the Jews repented of their
worshipping of the golden calf, but in chapter 20 we are told
that they didn’t. Which is true?[/b]
If you are unable to answer this questions correct with prove
then know you're living in darkness.

Clementor:

The Father is greater than the Son by
office, but not by nature, since both are God (see
John 1:1 ; 8:58 ; 10:30 ). Just as an earthly father is
equally human with, but holds a higher office than,
his son, even so the Father and the Son in the
Trinity are equal in essence, but different in
function. In like manner, we speak of the president
of our country as being a greater man, not by virtue
of his character, but by virtue of his position.
Therefore, Jesus cannot ever be said to say that
He considered Himself anything less than God by
nature. The following summary helps to crystalize
the differences.

How I wish for once you ll apply your own reasoning not other people views frm online anti islamic sites.

What u are pasting above didn't xplain anything from the question but it even create more confusion by trying to put jesus same level as his own creator.

This is verse 29, it comes right before verse 30, and in verse 29 Jesus says the Father is greater than ALL, this obviously includes Jesus since he is not the Father. So therefore how to Christians try and assume that this verse shows equality between Jesus and the Father is beyond me, just a verse before it Jesus says the Father is greater than everyone!
 
Simple statement bt u people are swisting words like childs play,. Jesus claiming the Father is greater than him, so how is Jesus equal to the Father when Jesus says the contrary? But u just came up with a way of trying to explain this verse off, you say that Jesus was talking as a man here, that as a man the Father is greater than him, they try and say that the Father meant he is greater than Jesus in rank and authority and not in essence.
 
However so what did Jesus mean in John 10 when Jesus said the Father is greater than ALL? Jesus placed himself in the category of ALL people, so therefore your fabrication response will not work for John 10:29. It must be said though that your esponse does not work for John chapter 14:28 neither, because you people argues from silence and arguing something you n your people have yet to prove. You cannot prove that Jesus has 2 natures, they can never get a single quote from the lips of Jesus saying I am man and Divine, that I have 2 natures and I gave one up and took on the man nature, this is non-existent, so therefore the response is from silence provided with no proof or a solid basis.
 
1-The fact is the Bible shows that the Father is greater than Jesus in essence, the Father is all-knowing and Jesus is not.
 
2-The Father gives Jesus everything from miracle to doctrine.
 
3-Jesus begs the Father to save him, obviously showing that life and death is controlled by the Father and NOT Jesus.
 
For all these arguments the you n your fellow Christian will say as man Jesus is not all-knowing, as man Jesus receives things from the Father, however so I will kindly ask you to bring this proof from the words of Jesus, which you shall never be able to do it, this doctrine is an invention and not something to be found from Jesus.
 
Again John 10:30 proves nothing in support of the divinity of Jesus, it does not show equality, since Jesus made it clear that the Father is greater than him, so therefore Jesus is not equal with the Father.

This confusion can never be from GOD
Seek knowledge pls b4 is too late

Clementor:


you think that God’s statements in
Deut 24:16 imply that He (God)
wouldn’t punish children for the sins of their
fathers. A brief read (in context) of the verse
will show you that God doesn’t say anything
about what HE will or won’t do, He is merely
giving a command about what MEN should or
shouldn’t do. MEN are not supposed to punish
the son for his father’s sins (societal rule).
However GOD will “consciously” make the
consequences of a father’s actions to be a point
of suffering for his children in the future down
to the third and fourth generation. If sin did not
have consequences on others then what would
make it wrong?

Isaiah 14:21 is speaking metaphorically about the
coming ruin of Babylon . Obviously, as in all wars
innocent lives would be harmed, children were
to be killed because the evil of their fathers
warranted the complete destruction of the
kingdom. The children however were not held
guilty for their parent’s sins. This concept as well
as incidents spoken of in Exod 12:29, 2Sam 12:14,
Deut 23:2, Num 14:33, Rom 5:19, Noah’s flood and
Sodom and Gomorrah (which all concern how
God deals with sin) do not contradict Ezek 18:20
or Deut 24:16 because the latter two verses are
rules for society and merely concern how MEN
are to deal with sin.

The two verses still contradict each other... If Deuteronomy says to only punish a person for a crime of their own doing, then preemptively killing the sons "lest" they commit the same crimes should also be disallowed. The word "lest" in Isiah says that these sons have not perpetrated the sin yet, but that the killing of the sons is done as a military strategy to ensure that the enemy nation doesn't continue after the leaders have been eliminated.

In John 3:13 Jesus says to Nicodemus,
“No one has ever gone into heaven except the one
who came from heaven–the Son of Man .” This
verse is somewhat difficult to interpret and is often
misunderstood. It is also frequently used by those
who want to find contradictions in the Bible.

We must keep the verse in context. In verses
10-12, especially, we see that Jesus is talking
about His authority and the validity of His
teaching. Jesus tells Nicodemus that He has been
teaching what He knew firsthand: “We speak of
what we know, and we testify to what we have
seen” (verse 11). Then, in verse 13 Jesus explains
why He is uniquely qualified to teach of the
kingdom of God—namely, because He alone came
down from heaven and possesses the knowledge
to teach people about heaven. Jesus alone has
seen the Father, and He alone is qualified to
declare God and make Him known (John 1:18 ).

The gist of John 3:13 is this: “None of your earthly
teachers can really teach you about heaven,
because none of them have actually been there.
However, I have been there. In fact, it is My home.
I have come to you from heaven, and I have
brought with Me experiential knowledge of that
place. My testimony carries weight; I can tell you
the truth about salvation.” The NLT brings out the
meaning well: “No one has ever gone to heaven
and returned. But the Son of Man has come down
from heaven.”

In claiming a heavenly abode, Jesus was claiming
deity. Nicodemus himself had already admitted
that Jesus was extraordinary when he said, “We
know you are a teacher who has come from
God” (verse 2).

Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone
to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament
saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they
died (Mark 12:26-27 ), and Enoch and Elijah had
been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24 ;
Hebrews 11:5 ; 2 Kings 2:11 ). Rather, He was
teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best
credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven;
He is an expert on the subject.

What are u explaining here pls..lol
Apart from the clear contradiction in the verses u should also learn that Jesus admittedly he was born of a wowan. holy Mary, and the Bible says:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". (John 3:13)

This shows that Jesus could not have ascended to heaven, as he was born on earth and did not descend from heaven. This matter of rising to heaven is not reported about Jesus only. Enoch and Elijah are also said to have had a similar experience. Concerning Enoch, the Bible says:

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God". (Hebrews 11:5)

We read about Elijah:

"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven". (II Kings 2:11)

The existence of such statements concerning other holy persons also show that there is no reason why Jesus should be distinguished from other prophets in this respect. But, the fact remains that no one ascends to heaven physically

The Bible is full of inconsistencies. That contradiction is one of the least alarming things about the book.

there is no contradiction here but let me clear your brain

But he that is spiritual - The man who is enlightened by the
Holy Spirit in contradistinction from him who is under the
influence of the senses only.

Judgeth - Greek: "Discerns." (margin); the same word as in
the previous verse. It means that the spiritual man has a
discernment of these truths in regard to which the sensual
man was blind and ignorant.

All things - Not absolutely all things; or not that he is
omniscient; but that he has a view of those things to which
the apostle had reference - that is, to the things which are
revealed to man by the Holy Spirit.

Yet he himself is judged - Greek, as in the margin, "is
discerned;" that is, his feelings, principles, views, hopes,
fears, joys, cannot be fully understood and appreciated by
any natural or sensual man. He does not comprehend the
principles which actuate him; he does not enter into his joys;
he does not sympathize with him in his feelings. This is a
matter of simple truth and universal observation. The reason
is added in the following verse, that as the Christian is
influenced by the Lord and as the natural man does not
know him, so he cannot know him who is influenced by him;
that is the Christian.

Why are u trying to modify and give this a different context, this is crystal clear statement

Clementor:


If after all this explanation you're still confuse, i will advice you to do what you're so called holy book said.
[Quran 10:94] - And if thou art in doubt
concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those
who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth
from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the
waverers.

I laughed hard after reading this..
How funny..the Quran that u pple ddnt even bliv in it yet u are deliberately misquoting a simple to understand verse out of it or are you now a believer of Quran?

Let me help you understand the verse
read below pls verses from Surah 10:90-10:94

►Surah 10:90
We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)."

►Surah 10:91
(It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!

►Surah 10:92
"This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

►Surah 10:93
We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment.

►Surah 10:94
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.


From Reading the Above Passages we can conclude that Allah helped the People of Israel and saved them from Pharaoh. He showerd His blessings upon the People of Israel and settled them in a beautiful place of Jerusalem. Yet they fell into groups and worked against Allah's order and were arrogant. This is the mischeif that Quran says to be asked by People of the Book. And thus, this mischief are also a part of Bible.

if that was indeed what these verses were saying then they would be conflicting with the following verses in the Qur'an that indicate that the Prophet peace be upon him and the believers have believed (not doubted) in what has been revealed to them...

►Surah 2:285
The apostle believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His apostles; We make no difference between any of His apostles; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.

Here we clearly see that the messenger and the believers have believed (not doubted) in what has been revealed to them from Allah. 

but before then, kindly explain these few contradictions.


1. you claim Islam is a religion of peace, how do you justify
the killing by Islamic extremists?

2. why do terrorist quote/read from the Quran before and after killing people?

You don't need to pretend, you need to believe because the violent happenings are not the teachings of Islam. And you can't judge a complete religion based on its mislead minority. One logical person doesn't judge a car for bad driving of a drunk driver. And honestly saying if you hate them, I hate them more because they're taking the name of my religion.They are not part of Islam as per Quran and the message of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
►As Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said: “ One who hurts a non-Muslim, he hurts me and one who hurts me, hurts God.” (Hadith)

►Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: "by Allah, he is not a believer! by Allah, he is not a believer! by Allah, he is not a believer!" it was asked, "Who is that Oh Messenger of Allah?" He said, "One whose neighbor does not feel safe from his evil"

Also, a Quranic verse that says,
►"If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."

And you're asking this because media is misleading you. Why does no one stood up or questions for Gaza, why no questions for Afghanistan, why no questions for Nigeria, Why no questions for Iraq, why no questions for Burma, and the list continues.

But if you still think in our scripture it is allowed to kill just like the terrorist are doing now then kindly quote the Quran or hadith to back your claims.

3. Does the Quran permits you to kill and force girls into
marriage when they are not matured enough to get married?

No..i don't think you are reading to know what islam is all about, that why you are posting this

4. Islam we know that Muhammad is to be the greatest
prophet, but the Qur’an calls Jesus holy in chapter 11, but
never calls Muhammad holy although he is supposed to be
the greater prophet. why is this?

Muslims believe in all the messengers(prophets) and regard every one very highly. They were extremely pious people and chosen by Allah to convey His message. There is no one better than the other and All prophet of God are holy whether mentioned or not

5. In chapter 18 of the Qur’an, Allah told Muhammad that the
sun sets in a pool of muddy water. How can the Qur’an
really be of God when this is obviously wrong?

The verses in question are found in chapter 18 verses 83-90 of the Quran. Here, Dhul-Qarnayn is described as rightous ruler who travelled to spread the message of God. Please read these verses before reading the following.

The specific verse in question Chapter 18:86 says:

►{حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ}

When taking a look through varyious translations we gather what the verse is actually saying:

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud... [Saheeh International]

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water... [Yusuf Ali]

[And he marched westwards] till, when he came to the setting of the sun, it appeared to him that it was setting in a dark, turbid sea [Muhammad Asad]

Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea... [Shakir]

Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he perceived it setting in a miry spring... [Abdul Majid Daryabadi]

Until, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he saw it setting in a spring of hot and black muddy water... [Ali Unal]

Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring... [Pickthall]

until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring... [Arthur John Arberry]

until he reached the West and saw the sun setting in a pool of black mud... [N J Dawood]

After looking at a few translation of the verse it becomes clear what the verse is saying. The verse clearly says Dhul-Qarnayn travelled to the end of the land (i.e. until he reached the sea), as far west as he could travel. When he traveled west and reached the coast, there was no more land in this direction (on is route to travel westward), there was only the ocean, and the sun was setting. And as he looked across the murky body of water he saw the sun setting at the horizon

6. How can you reconcile that in Chapter 19 of the Qur’an that
it says that Mary (Miriam), the mother of Jesus was the
sister of Moses?
We know that Moses had a sister named Miriam, but
Muhammad got a little confused here, didn’t he? He has her
displaced by some 2,000 years. This happens again in
chapter 7.

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verses 27-28

►"At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

►O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!’"
[Al-Qur’an 19:27-28]


In the Arabic construction of the sentence, sister is also considered as a descendant. Thus, when the people said to Mary, Ukhta Haroon i.e. ‘sister of Aaron’ it actually means descendant of Aaron/moses (pbuh).

7. chapter 7 of the Qur’an we find Moses living at the same
time as Christ’s disciples. Again, this is some 2,000 years
out of the proper time. How can this be?

put forward the exact verse that mentioned that

8. In chapters 21 and 37, the Qur’an says that all the sons of
Noah were saved in the ark, but in chapter 11 it says that
one of his sons drowned, that he didn’t even get on the ark.
It says that he was going to go to a high mountain and save
himself. How can this be?

Verses in question:

►21:76 (Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime: We listened to his (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress.

►37:77 And We made his progeny to endure (on this earth)

►11:42-43. So it (the ship) sailed with them amidst the waves like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (apart), "O my son! Embark with us and be not with the disbelievers."
The son replied: "I will betake myself to a mountain, it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day there is no saviour from the Decree of Allâh except him on whom He has mercy." And a wave came in between them, so he (the son) was among the drowned.

1. With regards to verse
►21:76 which states that the family of Prophet Noah (peace be upon him) was saved, the Qur'an itself clarifies what it means by his "family", for Prophet Noah himself, asked God about this:

►11:45-47. And Noah called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges."

►He said: "O Noah! Surely, he is not of your family; verily, his work is unrighteous, so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you, lest you be one of the ignorants."

►Noah said: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers."

Thus, here Allah distinguishes between our blood family and our true family in faith. As the Qur'an states about our family:

49:10 All believers are but brethren.

Thus, there is no conflict between verses 11:42-43 and 21:76. With regards to verse 37:77, it simply states that his progeny endured and according to some narrations, it will until the end of humanity. There are some who have interpreted verse 37:77 to imply that his followers did not have any surviving descendants.

9. In chapter 17 the Qur’an says that Pharaoh drowned in the
Red Sea, but in chapter 10 it says that he survived. How do
you reconcile this?

Let us first quote the relevent verses and see what they say.

►So We seized him and his hosts, and We flung them into the sea: Now behold what was the end of those who did wrong! [Qur'ân 28:40]

►So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him. [Qur'ân 17:103]

►When at length they provoked Us, We exacted retribution from them, and We drowned them all. [Qur'ân 43:55]

It is clear from the above verses that the Pharaoh and his hosts were drowned. But it does not say what happened to the body of the Pharaoh after he was drowned. The verse below explains:

We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)." (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! "This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" [Qur'ân 10:90-92]

that Allah saved the body of the Pharaoh as a sign to those who come after him. The most relevant explanation here would be that the body of the Pharaoh washed ashore and his folks embalmed him.

So, there is no contradiction in the above verses. Rather they clarify fully the fate of the Pharaoh. It is clear for any Arabic speaker that the special mention of "in the body" (i.e. bibadanika) means clearly that it is the lifeless body of Pharaoh that was saved and not Pharaoh himself. This is confirmed by the use of the verb drown (i.e., aghraqa) in the above verses as the drowned are dead (even in English).

10. In chapter 7 it says Allah does not forgive shirk
(blasphemy), but in chapter 4 and chapter 25 we see him
forgiving shirk. How can this be?

11. In chapter 35 we are told that angels have a total of 6
wings,
but it is recorded that Muhammad said that the angel Gabriel
had 600 wings. How can this be?

12. Who was the first Muslim? In chapter 39, Muhammad said
that he was, but chapter 7 says it was Moses, and chapter 2
says it was Abraham.

13. In chapter 7 we find that the Jews repented of their
worshipping of the golden calf, but in chapter 20 we are told
that they didn’t. Which is true?[/b]
If you are unable to answer this questions correct with prove
then know you're living in darkness.[/quote]

aminusanti:
I laughed hard after reading this..
How funny..the Quran that u pple ddnt even bliv in it yet u are deliberately misquoting a simple to understand verse out of it or are you now a believer of Quran?

the same way u muslims misquote a simple understand verse of the Bible.

From Reading the Above Passages we can conclude that Allah helped the People of Israel and saved them from Pharaoh. He showerd His blessings upon the People of Israel and settled them in a beautiful place of Jerusalem. Yet they fell into groups and worked against Allah's order and were arrogant. This is the mischeif that Quran says to be asked by People of the Book. And thus, this mischief are also a part of Bible.

that a bloody lie from quran, the children of israel never believed in Allah, they believed in Jehovah God from the time of Abraham.

Clementor:

the same way u muslims misquote a simple understand verse of the Bible.

pls give one verse from the bible that i misquoted and give ur own context then we can analyze..

They are not part of Islam as per Quran and the message of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
►As Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said: “ One who hurts a non-Muslim, he hurts me and one who hurts me, hurts God.” (Hadith)
►Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: "by Allah, he is not a believer! by Allah, he is not a believer! by Allah, he is not a believer!" it was asked, "Who is that Oh Messenger of Allah?" He said, "One whose neighbor does not feel safe from his evil"
Also, a Quranic verse that says,
►"If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."

the verse u quoted, is there no contradiction with Quran (8:12)-"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" this is one of the part the islamic terrorist quote when carrying out their evil on christians and non muslims.

And you're asking this because media is misleading you. Why does no one stood up or questions for Gaza, why no questions for Afghanistan, why no questions for Nigeria, Why no questions for Iraq, why no questions for Burma, and the list continues.

am not mislead by the media, aleast in nigeria we are xperincing it live, when boko haram started their kill of christians, you muslims where justifying the killing the name of islam(killing the infidels). Thank God, that same sword they are nw using it to kill their fellow muslims.

Now the sunni are busy killin the shiite, are they not muslims or do they read a different quran?

Talking about Afghanistan, when taliban was disturbing the govt, u guys neva said a tin, when taliban where hiding osama bin laden when he bombed the trade centre, u guys where happy. Nw america decided to do the needed, ure all complaining.

Iraq, the isis disturbing the peace of iraq, are they christians?

No..i don't think you are reading to know what islam is all
about, that why you are posting this

are you trying to say that the emir that force a 12yrs old girl into marriage does not know what Islam is all about?
remember the emir is a custodian of Islam.

Muslims believe in all the messengers(prophets) and regard every one very highly. They were extremely pious people and chosen by Allah to convey His message. There is no one
better than the other and All prophet of God are holy whether
mentioned or not

some prophet are greater than some, for the Quran to acknowledge Jesus Holy means he's greater than Muhammad.

let me give you some Bible verses to show how to know a true prophet.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Numbers 12:6, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream."

Jeremiah 28:9, "The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him."

plz did your prophet made any prophecy that came to pass that prove him a true prophet?

The verses in question are found in chapter 18 verses 83-90 of
the Quran. Here, Dhul-Qarnayn is described as rightous ruler
who travelled to spread the message of God. Please read these
verses before reading the following.
The specific verse in question Chapter 18:86 says:
►{ ﺣَﺘَّﻰٰ ﺇِﺫَﺍ ﺑَﻠَﻎَ ﻣَﻐْﺮِﺏَ ﺍﻟﺸَّﻤْﺲِ ﻭَﺟَﺪَﻫَﺎ ﺗَﻐْﺮُﺏُ ﻓِﻲ ﻋَﻴْﻦٍ ﺣَﻤِﺌَﺔٍ }
When taking a look through varyious translations we gather
what the verse is actually saying:
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if]
setting in a spring of dark mud... [Saheeh International]
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in
a spring of murky water... [Yusuf Ali]
[And he marched westwards] till, when he came to the setting
of the sun, it appeared to him that it was setting in a dark,
turbid sea [Muhammad Asad]
Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it
going down into a black sea... [Shakir]
Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he
perceived it setting in a miry spring... [Abdul Majid Daryabadi]
Until, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he saw it
setting in a spring of hot and black muddy water... [Ali Unal]
Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it
setting in a muddy spring... [Pickthall]
until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it
setting in a muddy spring... [Arthur John Arberry]
until he reached the West and saw the sun setting in a pool of
black mud... [N J Dawood]
After looking at a few translation of the verse it becomes clear
what the verse is saying. The verse clearly says Dhul-Qarnayn
travelled to the end of the land (i.e. until he reached the sea),
as far west as he could travel. When he traveled west and
reached the coast, there was no more land in this direction (on
is route to travel westward), there was only the ocean, and the
sun was setting. And as he looked across the murky body of
water he saw the sun setting at the horizon

—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting
behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey
while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where
this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He
said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verses
27-28
►"At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him
(in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast
thou brought!
►O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy
mother a woman unchaste!’"
[Al-Qur’an 19:27-28]
In the Arabic construction of the sentence, sister is also
considered as a descendant. Thus, when the people said to
Mary, Ukhta Haroon i.e. ‘sister of Aaron’ it actually means
descendant of Aaron/moses (pbuh).

The Quran confuses Mary, the mother of the Lord Jesus, with Miriam the sister of Moses. The Quran identifies Mary as the sister of Aaron, the daughter of Imran, whose mother was the
wife of Imran:

When the wife of Imran said, 'Lord, I have vowed to Thee,
in dedication, what is within my womb. Receive Thou this
from me; Thou hearest, and knowest.' And when she gave
birth to her she said, 'Lord, I have given birth to her, a
female.' (And God knew very well what she had given birth
to; the male is not as the female.) 'And I have named her
Mary , and commend her to Thee with her seed, to protect
them from the accursed Satan.' S. 3:35-36

Then she brought the child to her folk carrying him; and
they said, 'Mary , thou hast surely committed a monstrous
thing! Sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man,
nor was thy mother a woman unchaste.' S. 19:27-28
And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so
We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the
Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the
obedient. S. 66:12

Thus, here Allah distinguishes between our blood family and our true family in faith. As the Qur'an states about our family:

49:10 All believers are but brethren.

Thus, there is no conflict between verses 11:42-43 and 21:76.
With regards to verse 37:77, it simply states that his progeny
endured and according to some narrations, it will until the end
of humanity. There are some who have interpreted verse 37:77
to imply that his followers did not have any surviving
descendants.

read that verse very well you will see that the son was Noah biological son, but the Quran disowned him bcoz he disobeyed Allah,

but the true story has it that Noah and his family members where safe.

FriendChoice:


The problem is, only when they open their heart, then their eyes will be able to see. It will hard for them, because the church have succeeded in brainwashing most of them.

Islam is trash

put forward the exact verse that mentioned that

Quran chapter 7:156-159

Clementor:

that a bloody lie from quran, the children of israel never believed in Allah, they believed in Jehovah God from the time of Abraham.

Lol.. u are badly brainwashed honestly...I don't expect u to agree with me
I just can't continue arguing with u here but I will explain to the readers and it's left to you to go and do ur research if u think is important or continue seeing it as a lie.

Elohim: The first place a name of God is revealed is in the first chapter of Genesis.
Did you know that Elohim is Allah? .  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.

Clementor:

are you trying to say that the emir that force a 12yrs old girl into marriage does not know what Islam is all about?
remember the emir is a custodian of Islam.

my guy am not here for baseless arguement or accusations pls. if u can't provide proofs based on Quran or hadith for ur claims i wont waste my time on you again.

Clementor:

the verse u quoted, is there no contradiction with Quran (8:12)-"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" this is one of the part the islamic terrorist quote when carrying out their evil on christians and non muslims.

see another diversion again! who is feeding you with this lies abeg?
You r either through ignorance or Islam-bashing continue taking the verses of the Holy Quran out of context and its history to justify your false propaganda. In order to gain a proper understanding of many verses in the Holy Quran, it is important to understand and know the historic context of the revelations. So many revelations in the Holy Quran came down to provide guidance to Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and the fellow Muslims based on what they were confronting at that time. The verse 8:12 is one such verse which is misinterpreted. The verse and its brief explanation follows:

008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


This verse and the verses before and after were revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. A battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled more than 200 miles to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to destroy Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and fellow Muslims had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. And now that they had fled Makkah and found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. God Almighty gave the order to Muslims to fight to defend their lives and faith. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith. It was a war imposed upon Muslims.

And when you fight, you strive to kill the enemy during the fight.
However, even during the war, Islam has the highest moral law of war. You don't kill children, women or any one who is not fighting with you.
You also don't fight, if the enemy wants a peace treaty:

008.061 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards
peace, and trust in God: for He is One that hears and knows (all things).

God Almighty also says in Chapter 60:

060.008 God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith
nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God
loves those who are just.

060.009 God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith,
and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from
turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these
circumstances), that do wrong.


For the ignorant, misquotation is a habit they enjoy. Misquoting the Holy Quran is a sin and a shame for the one who commits such an act, as God says in the Quran:

Behold! how they invent a lie against Allah! but that by itself is a manifest sin! [The Holy Quran,4:50]

And He says:

Who does more wrong than those who invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! The curse of Allah is on those who do wrong! [The Holy Quran,11:18]

Imagine if the following Biblical paragraph is used in the same way the above verse is used. Muslims know that Jesus, peace be upon him, like all prophets, came with the message of peace to earth. However, a misquotation may change the whole meaning. Read:


Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" 1 Samuel 15:3


"34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—“ KJV-Matthew10

aminusanti:

Lol.. u are badly brainwashed honestly...I don't expect u to agree with me
I just can't continue arguing with u here but I will explain to the readers and it's left to you to go and do ur research if u think is important or continue seeing it as a lie.

Elohim: The first place a name of God is revealed is in the first chapter of Genesis.
Did you know that Elohim is Allah? .  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. 

nice explanation, The Quran do not see Allah as Jehovah, it is only Muslims that sees it like that .

let me give you qualities of this two personalities that prove they are not the same.


1: The Qur’an teaches that Allah is the creator, all-powerful and all-knowing. He knows who you are; in fact, many Muslims
believe he has fatalistically determined your thoughts, words and deeds – good and evil – and even your eternal destiny, which is why Muslims so often say, “If Allah wills it.” So, Allah does indeed know you.
But Allah is not truly personal, knowable, or approachable. The Qur’an present him more judgmental than gracious. He exists as a singular unity who has no “partners.” In fact, to call Jesus the
Son of God is to commit the unpardonable sin, or shirk. Of the 99 names for God in the Qur’an, Father is not one of them. In Islam, it is considered blasphemous to “presume” that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with
Allah. He reveals his will, not himself.

The God of the Bible, also is presented as the Creator. He is all-knowing, all-powerful, and everywhere present. He knows us; but more than that, He is knowable and approachable. He created us in His image – with personality, thought, and will – for the purpose of enjoying an everlasting, unbreakable, intimate relationship with Him. He exists as a Trinity in eternal relationship as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In fact, God is so
knowable, He came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth.

Jer. 24:7 — I will give them a heart to know Me,
that I am the Lord. They will be My people, and I
will be their God because they will return to Me
with all their heart.

Jer. 31:34 — No longer will one teach his neighbor
or his brother, saying: Know the Lord, for they will
all know Me, from the least to the greatest of
them”-the Lord’s declaration. “For I will forgive
their wrongdoing and never again remember their
sin.”











2: Allah loves not those that do wrong,” says the Qur’an (Surah 3:140), neither does he love “him who is treacherous, sinful” (Surah 4:107). “Those who reject faith and do wrong – Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any way – Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is
easy (4:168-169). See also 5:49 and 40:10. Other types of people Allah hates:

Transgressors (2:190).
Ungrateful and wicked creatures (2:276).
Those who reject faith (3:32; 30:45).
Those who do wrong (3:57, 140; 42:40).
The arrogant, the vainglorious (4:36; 16:23; 31:18;
57:23).
Those given to excess (5:87).
Wasters (6:141; 7:31).
Treacherous (8:58).



The God of the Bible, on the other hand, loves all people (John 3:16). His love is not a response to our goodness, but in spite of our lack of goodness. He proved His love for us in that while we
were still sinners, Christ died for us (Rom. 5:. The apostle John wrote, “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sin” (1 John 4:10). Even though God hates sin, He loves the sinner and takes no pleasure in punishing him (Eze. 18:23). His love for
all people is unconditional.


















3: Allah did not, would not, and will not die for you,
nor would he ever send anyone to do so. the Qur’an teaches that
Jesus did not die on the cross, but was taken up
into heaven. in S. 4:157-158:
"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the
Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew
him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them ;
and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt
thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a
conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took
him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise." (that another fat lie)






But the God of the Bible loves you so much He sent His one and only Son to die for you. And He stands ready to grant you everlasting life if you will receive Him by faith.
(Rev.13:.
(2Cor. 5:21).

aminusanti:

see another diversion again! who is feeding you with this lies abeg?
You r either through ignorance or Islam-bashing continue taking the verses of the Holy Quran out of context and its history to justify your false propaganda. In order to gain a proper understanding of many verses in the Holy Quran, it is important to understand and know the historic context of the revelations. So many revelations in the Holy Quran came down to provide guidance to Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and the fellow Muslims based on what they were confronting at that time. The verse 8:12 is one such verse which is misinterpreted. The verse and its brief explanation follows:

008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


This verse and the verses before and after were revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. A battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled more than 200 miles to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to destroy Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and fellow Muslims had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. And now that they had fled Makkah and found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. God Almighty gave the order to Muslims to fight to defend their lives and faith. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith. It was a war imposed upon Muslims.

And when you fight, you strive to kill the enemy during the fight.
However, even during the war, Islam has the highest moral law of war. You don't kill children, women or any one who is not fighting with you.
You also don't fight, if the enemy wants a peace treaty:

008.061 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards
peace, and trust in God: for He is One that hears and knows (all things).

God Almighty also says in Chapter 60:

060.008 God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith
nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God
loves those who are just.

060.009 God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith,
and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from
turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these
circumstances), that do wrong.


For the ignorant, misquotation is a habit they enjoy. Misquoting the Holy Quran is a sin and a shame for the one who commits such an act, as God says in the Quran:

Behold! how they invent a lie against Allah! but that by itself is a manifest sin! [The Holy Quran,4:50]

And He says:

Who does more wrong than those who invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! The curse of Allah is on those who do wrong! [The Holy Quran,11:18]

Imagine if the following Biblical paragraph is used in the same way the above verse is used. Muslims know that Jesus, peace be upon him, like all prophets, came with the message of peace to earth. However, a misquotation may change the whole meaning. Read:


Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" 1 Samuel 15:3


"34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—“ KJV-Matthew10

there is no lie here, if you have watch the video of this Islamic terrorists killing Christians and also listen to the chapter of the Quran they quote, u will see it is that exact chapter they do quote.

the problem is that no body from the Islamic countries has come out to condemn their actions publicly rather they support them secretly.

ISIS, boko haram etc know their Quran. No matter
how horrific some people may think their practice of taking life's , it's a practice straight out of
the Quran.