When you think of the human body, what mostly comes to mind is its complexity and sometimes perfection, theist have used this as undeniable proof of Gods existence, as only an intelligent creator could create something as perfect as the human body.
But study of the human anatomy will show you just how imperfect the human body really is, yes its complex but its more like 'duct tape, super glue and chewing gum' than it is pure perfection. The reason for this is that evolution only wants you to function well enough, so you can possibly reproduce and continue the specie. Its not done with human comfort in mind.
Here are the largest flaws in the human body, that shows why the human body could not have been created by intelligent design.

-The eye: Considered one of the most complex parts of the human body and definite proof of intelligent design, the human eye is far from perfect. The photo recepting cells are at the back of the eye, forcing light to travel through blood and tissue until it reaches them(its like a microphone faced backwards), this is the main reason why humans can't see in dim light, and also a leading cause of blindness, the octopus on the other hand has it's photoreceptors the right way.

-A multipurpose larynx: Another flaw of the human body, we use the same anatomical pathway for both ingestion and breathing, this is a major cause of death in humans as it can result in choking. An intelligent creator would have done something better.

-An inefficient spine: The spine is already inefficient as it is, with all the pressure it has to endure thanks to our ability to walk upright, but as we get older part of the spine starts to degenerate, causing lower back pains that hinders movement, they can range from mild to extreme. There would be no reason for such an inefficient spine if humans had been created but if they evolved the explanation would be because the spine wasn't designed for upright movement we only got that ability a few million years ago and it still need some tweaks.

-Overly complicated foot; The foot alone has 26 bones, this is too much for just the simply act of giving us the ability to stand and walk, the 26 bones gave flexibility to earlier human ancestors that used their feets to grab hold of branches, much like modern primates, but as humans left the trees the feet instead was restructured for walking, leaving us with still too many bones, that constantly lead to injury. Again there would be no need for 26 bones if we were created.

-Exposed male testicles: The sole life giving organ of the male is exposed to the outside world, were it is prone to damage by external forces. Again there is no sufficient reason why males would be intelligently created like this but the evolutionary answer is simple, the male testicles will most likely be used before the death of the male, so there isn't any pressure to change it, as it will still serve the function of reproduction, which is the evolutionary aim.

-The appendix; Also known as the killer organ, if the appendix were a family member, it would be the useless third cousin that sleeps in your house all day and eats your food and also possessed murderous tendencies. The appendix has no known use whatsoever but can still kill the human. it once had a function as it used by rabbits to digest wood, but it is now a vestigial organ because evolution hasn't had time to remove it. There is no need for an intelligent creator to add this to the human body.

Like I always say, believe in God but don't let it cloud your reason, you can believe in God and evolution.

If man evolved from ape, why do we still have apes.

Checkmate atheists. /s

Lennycool:
When you think of the human body, what mostly comes to mind is its complexity and sometimes perfection, theist have used this as undeniable proof of Gods existence, as only an intelligent creator could create something as perfect as the human body.
But study of the human anatomy will show you just how imperfect the human body really is, yes its complex but its more like 'duct tape, super glue and chewing gum' than it is pure perfection. The reason for this is that evolution only wants you to function well enough, so you can possibly reproduce and continue the specie. Its not done with human comfort in mind.
Here are the largest flaws in the human body, that shows why the human body could not have been created by intelligent design.

-The eye: Considered one of the most complex parts of the human body and definite proof of intelligent design, the human eye is far from perfect. The photo recepting cells are at the back of the eye, forcing light to travel through blood and tissue until it reaches them(its like a microphone faced backwards), this is the main reason why humans can't see in dim light, and also a leading cause of blindness, the octopus on the other hand has it's photoreceptors the right way.

-A multipurpose larynx: Another flaw of the human body, we use the same anatomical pathway for both ingestion and breathing, this is a major cause of death in humans as it can result in choking. An intelligent creator would have done something better.

-An inefficient spine: The spine is already inefficient as it is, with all the pressure it has to endure thanks to our ability to walk upright, but as we get older part of the spine starts to degenerate, causing lower back pains that hinders movement, they can range from mild to extreme. There would be no reason for such an inefficient spine if humans had been created but if they evolved the explanation would be because the spine wasn't designed for upright movement we only got that ability a few million years ago and it still need some tweaks.

-Overly complicated foot; The foot alone has 26 bones, this is too much for just the simply act of giving us the ability to stand and walk, the 26 bones gave flexibility to earlier human ancestors that used their feets to grab hold of branches, much like modern primates, but as humans left the trees the feet instead was restructured for walking, leaving us with still too many bones, that constantly lead to injury. Again there would be no need for 26 bones if we were created.

-Exposed male testicles: The sole life giving organ of the male is exposed to the outside world, were it is prone to damage by external forces. Again there is no sufficient reason why males would be intelligently created like this but the evolutionary answer is simple, the male testicles will most likely be used before the death of the male, so there isn't any pressure to change it, as it will still serve the function of reproduction, which is the evolutionary aim.

-The appendix; Also known as the killer organ, if the appendix were a family member, it would be the useless third cousin that sleeps in your house all day and eats your food and also possessed murderous tendencies. The appendix has no known use whatsoever but can still kill the human. it once had a function as it used by rabbits to digest wood, but it is now a vestigial organ because evolution hasn't had time to remove it. There is no need for an intelligent creator to add this to the human body.

Like I always say, believe in God but don't let it cloud your reason, you can believe in God and evolution.

Sorry this argument is flawed on arrival.

Firstly, the whole human body have systems all linked and working synchronously.
As a result, picking out different organs one by one doesnt do justice to explaining the efficiency of the human physiology.
Its worse than isolation of all the members of a football team to rate the team.

Secondly, u must provide ur own version of an "ideal human" from head to toe before u can fault the human anatomy and physiology.

U deceptively picked organs from octopus, fish, etc at different times and comparing with the human.
Sorry, thats a fallacy
Because the eye for example is a continuation of the human brain.
Your octopus doesnt have the capacity of the human brain.
And u say a human being should have 4 or more holes on his face so as to feed properly. Lol

Please o, if u give birth to such a person, wont u run and blame God for also giving u a monster?

And if u say u want to stick with this tiny faulty argument, u contradict even evolution and natural selection that evolutionists are preaching.
Evolutionists believe that humans came to be because "better" adapted cells replace "inferior" ones.
So if u say the eye of fish is better than yours, u contradict evolution.
Sorry.

But have u also considered things like the human brain and all the programmed cycles that operates in a human beign?
E.g
Sleep wake cycle
The uterine cycle
The menstrual cycle
The uric acid cycle
The glycolytic cycle
The fatty acid cycle
The calcium cycle
Too many to name a few.
Please do u have a better model for these systems to operate, other than the one God created?

If u dont have a complete model, sorry.
U cant fault human anatomy and physiology.

felixomor:



Sorry this argument is flawed on arrival.

Firstly, the whole human body have systems all linked and working synchronously.
As a result, picking out different organs one by one doesnt do justice to explaining the efficiency of the human physiology.
Its worse than isolation of all the members of a football team to rate the team.

Secondly, u must provide ur own version of an "ideal human" from head to toe before u can fault the human anatomy and physiology.

U deceptively picked organs from octopus, fish, etc at different times and comparing with the human.
Sorry, thats a fallacy
Because the eye for example is a continuation of the human brain.
Your octopus doesnt have the capacity of the human brain.
And u say a human being should have 4 or more holes on his face so as to feed properly. Lol

Please o, if u give birth to such a person, wont u run and blame God for also giving u a monster?

And if u say u want to stick with this tiny faulty argument, u contradict even evolution and natural selection that evolutionists are preaching.
Evolutionists believe that humans came to be because "better" adapted cells replace "inferior" ones.
So if u say the eye of fish is better than yours, u contradict evolution.
Sorry.

But have u also considered things like the human brain and all the programmed cycles that operates in a human beign?
E.g
Sleep wake cycle
The uterine cycle
The menstrual cycle
The uric acid cycle
The glycolytic cycle
The fatty acid cycle
The calcium cycle
Too many to name a few.
Please do u have a better model for these systems to operate, other than the one God created?

If u dont have a complete model, sorry.
U cant fault human anatomy and physiology.

What do you even know about evolution. The main aim of evolution is to make sure the species survives and pass genes onto the next offspring, it doesn't care about comfort or complete perfection, as long as it can serve a function and doesn't pose immediate danger to the specie before reproduction can take place, evolution doesn't give a dime. But creation must be perfect especially since most of you agree that you're made in the image of a perfect God .

Lennycool:

What do you even know about evolution. The main aim of evolution s to make sure the species survives and pass genes onto the next offspring, it doesn't care about comfort or complete perfection, as long as it can serve a function and doesn't pose immediate danger to the specie before reproduction can take place, evolution doesn't give a dime. But creation must be perfect especially since most of you agree that you're made in the image of a perfect God .

U r always modifying evolution to suit your nairaland arguments.
Sorry,. And u always go out of tune even with what evolutionists are saying.
Better cells take the place of weaker ones. Natural selection. Period.
Stop beating around the bush.

And as for this thread,
Have u found a more perfect model for human anatomy and physiology?

We will like u to post such diagram here.

felixomor:


U r always modifying evolution to suit your nairaland arguments.
Sorry,. And u always go out of tune even with what evolutionists are saying.
Better cells take the place of weaker ones. Natural selection. Period.
Stop beating around the bush.

And as for this thread,
Have u found a more perfect model for human anatomy and physiology?

We will like u to post such diagram here.

So you think the bolded is what natural selection really is? Chai you need a book man.

Lennycool:

So you think the bolded is what natural selection really is? Chai you need a book man.

Yes it summarizes it. Period.
I challenge u in ur life to produce a better summary.

By the way, stop derailing ur thread by urself.
By now, i expected u to have come up with Ur complete perfect model of the human anatomy.

felixomor:


Yes it summarizes it. Period.
I challenge u in ur life to produce a better summary.

By the way, stop derailing ur thread by urself.
By now, i expected u to have come up with Ur complete perfect model of the human anatomy.

Natural selection simply put is the natural process by which organism better suited to their environment will pass on their favorable genes to their offsprings, while does less suited will reduce in population and give way to those more suited. Thus the fittest has been naturally selected as they have a better chance of survival.
About your perfect model, that is besides the point, and although I could I will not, I didn't claim to be a product of an intelligent designer you did. So why should I provide you with better alternatives? I'm only pointing out that the design is not so perfect and in some cases flawed, so there is no way an intelligent designer would do such a thing.

Lennycool:


Natural simply put is the natural process by which organism better suited to their environment will pass on their favorable genes to their offsprings, while does less suited will reduce in population and give way to those more suited. Thus the fittest has been naturally selected as they have a better chance of survival.
About your perfect model, that is besides the point, and although I could I will not, I didn't claim to be a product of an intelligent designer you did. So why should I provide you with better alternatives? I'm only pointing out that the design is not so perfect and in some cases flawed, so there is no way an intelligent designer would do such a thing.

"Better" implies comparison in case u dont know.
And picking different organs of different animals to compare with others is fallacious.
Hence my request for ur complete model.

Although, i know the real reason u cant provide a better model.
Simple, u dont have.
U r only just trying to wail at God, out of anger.
But such doesnt work.

Any person who faults the specs of a car or product must provide a complete model that can work with other parts when assembled or the person should accept the status quo.

felixomor:


"Better" implies comparison in case u dont know.
And picking different organs of different animals to compare with others is fallacious.
Hence my request for ur complete model.

Although, i know the real reason u cant provide a better model.
Simple, u dont have.
U r only just trying to wail at God, out of anger.
But such doesnt work.

Any person who faults the specs of a car or product must provide a complete model that can work with other parts when assembled or the person should accept the status quo.

Science is already working on a solution as always, but don't worry just keep praying. And if you have back pains when you get older just pray to God for relief.

Lennycool:

Science is already working on a solution as always, but don't worry just keep praying. And if you have back pains when you get older just pray to God for relief.

God has already saved me from the death bigger than backpain before.

#Truth

felixomor:


U r always modifying evolution to suit your nairaland arguments.
Sorry,. And u always go out of tune even with what evolutionists are saying.
Better cells take the place of weaker ones. Natural selection. Period.
Stop beating around the bush.

And as for this thread,
Have u found a more perfect model for human anatomy and physiology?

We will like u to post such diagram here.

That's clear nonsense. You either know the truth and are obfuscating it or you're just ignorant on the subject you claim to know about. There's no such thing as stronger cells taking the place of weaker cells. That makes no sense, and disregards heredity which is the bedrock of evolution by natural selection.

You can learn about it here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8603748366

Is even simpler here:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25

CoolUsername:


That's clear nonsense. You either know the truth and are obfuscating it or you're just ignorant on the subject you claim to know about. There's no such thing as stronger cells taking the place of weaker cells. That makes no sense, and disregards heredity which is the bedrock of evolution by natural selection.

You can learn about it here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8603748366

Is even simpler here:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25

Quiet, fraudster.
I can see how u introduced ur "stronger and weaker"

I dont want to derail this thread much

Go and open a new thread, and i will come and teach u evolution there.
I will also show u its stupidity, free of charge.

Lennycool:
When you think of the human body, what mostly comes to mind is its complexity and sometimes perfection, theist have used this as undeniable proof of Gods existence, as only an intelligent creator could create something as perfect as the human body.
But study of the human anatomy will show you just how imperfect the human body really is, yes its complex but its more like 'duct tape, super glue and chewing gum' than it is pure perfection. The reason for this is that evolution only wants you to function well enough, so you can possibly reproduce and continue the specie. Its not done with human comfort in mind.
Here are the largest flaws in the human body, that shows why the human body could not have been created by intelligent design.

-The eye: Considered one of the most complex parts of the human body and definite proof of intelligent design, the human eye is far from perfect. The photo recepting cells are at the back of the eye, forcing light to travel through blood and tissue until it reaches them(its like a microphone faced backwards), this is the main reason why humans can't see in dim light, and also a leading cause of blindness, the octopus on the other hand has it's photoreceptors the right way.

-A multipurpose larynx: Another flaw of the human body, we use the same anatomical pathway for both ingestion and breathing, this is a major cause of death in humans as it can result in choking. An intelligent creator would have done something better.

-An inefficient spine: The spine is already inefficient as it is, with all the pressure it has to endure thanks to our ability to walk upright, but as we get older part of the spine starts to degenerate, causing lower back pains that hinders movement, they can range from mild to extreme. There would be no reason for such an inefficient spine if humans had been created but if they evolved the explanation would be because the spine wasn't designed for upright movement we only got that ability a few million years ago and it still need some tweaks.

-Overly complicated foot; The foot alone has 26 bones, this is too much for just the simply act of giving us the ability to stand and walk, the 26 bones gave flexibility to earlier human ancestors that used their feets to grab hold of branches, much like modern primates, but as humans left the trees the feet instead was restructured for walking, leaving us with still too many bones, that constantly lead to injury. Again there would be no need for 26 bones if we were created.

-Exposed male testicles: The sole life giving organ of the male is exposed to the outside world, were it is prone to damage by external forces. Again there is no sufficient reason why males would be intelligently created like this but the evolutionary answer is simple, the male testicles will most likely be used before the death of the male, so there isn't any pressure to change it, as it will still serve the function of reproduction, which is the evolutionary aim.

-The appendix; Also known as the killer organ, if the appendix were a family member, it would be the useless third cousin that sleeps in your house all day and eats your food and also possessed murderous tendencies. The appendix has no known use whatsoever but can still kill the human. it once had a function as it used by rabbits to digest wood, but it is now a vestigial organ because evolution hasn't had time to remove it. There is no need for an intelligent creator to add this to the human body.

Like I always say, believe in God but don't let it cloud your reason, you can believe in God and evolution.

eptomic pregnancies,,name them!
The female body itself is proof of Non-design!

I wanted to type a response to lennycool but I realised that he has murdered his own post with his uninformed analogies.

Every tiny part of the human body depends on another part in order to be relevant and this is beyond evolution...its about a merging and fine tuning of these organs and functions.

He also forgot that science claims that man is the pinnacle of evolution yet under the law of natural selection we did not get the best from our supposed ancestors but an eagle has a better eye sight than we do, a dog has better hearing and better smelling, a horse has greater stamina, a chimp can both walk and climb with greater ease than we can yet we share genes with these creatures they say we evolved from.

So did the law of natural selection not apply to us when we were evolving? Is it applicable to all else except man?

The way every part of the body works painlessly and smoothly does not depict a process still evolving it depicts a process that has been concluded and set to run in its finished state. We are not an evolutionary experiment. ..we are finished products that need no further tweeking.

I often ask this question and I will ask you lennycool...you say we are still evolving right? So how is it that when a child is born with 12 fingers or 12 toes we call it a birth DEFORMITY or DEFECT and not see it as part of the evolutionary process? How is it that when a baby is born with a hole in the heart we call it a deformity and not a process of evolution? How is it that a man can have 34 teeth as against 32 and it is know as a DEFECT?

You see, your thread died even before it began.

felixomor:
Firstly, the whole human body have systems all linked and working synchronously.
As a result, picking out different organs one by one doesnt do justice to explaining the efficiency of the human physiology.
Its worse than isolation of all the members of a football team to rate the team.

By your logic, if the super eagles have a useless keeper who regularly scores own goals and misses easy shots, we cannot criticize the keeper's performance as an individual, nor can we expect that replacing the keeper with a great keeper from another team will help the team. This is not so. The flaws in the human body persist because evolution is imperfect. Our features are good enough for our survival, but clearly flawed.

Because the eye for example is a continuation of the human brain. Your octopus doesn't have the capacity of the human brain.

I don't see how having a better brain makes it necessary for us to have an inferior light gathering apparatus.

And u say a human being should have 4 or more holes on his face so as to feed properly. Lol
Please o, if u give birth to such a person, wont u run and blame God for also giving u a monster?

No, he's suggesting that instead of the nose and mouth being connected to the throat which is connected to the lungs and gullet, which causes a traffic jam that often leads to accidents (choking), the nose should be connected directly to the lungs while the mouth should be connected directly to the gullet. This would eliminate the risk of choking to death. However, we would have to speak through our noses, like dolphins. Speaking through our noses sounds weird, but if we had evolved that way, talking through our noses would seem perfectly normal to us.

Naah. Not worthy of a reply.

The human nature is flawed? Go make your own "human" and make sure they are more intelligent than humans.

And this is proof of evolution Lol.

Seun:

By your logic, if the super eagles have a useless keeper who regularly scores own goals and misses easy shots, we cannot criticize the keeper's performance as an individual, nor can we expect that replacing the keeper with a great keeper from another team will help the team. This is not so. The flaws in the human body persist because evolution is imperfect. Our features are good enough for our survival, but clearly flawed.


I don't see how having a better brain makes it necessary for us to have an inferior light gathering apparatus.


No, he's suggesting that instead of the nose and mouth being connected to the throat which is connected to the lungs and gullet, which causes a traffic jam that often leads to accidents (choking), the nose should be connected directly to the lungs while the mouth should be connected directly to the gullet. This would eliminate the risk of choking to death. However, we would have to speak through our noses, like dolphins. Speaking through our noses sounds weird, but if we had evolved that way, talking through our noses would seem perfectly normal to us.

Seun since you feel this would have been a better evolutionary direction for man and then we had the edge of the law of natural selection how come we did not evolve in that direction? Care to share?

For the human body isolating one part is foolish as all parts work together to keep us alive. So share with us why we did not evolve in the direction you seem to think is better.

Seun:

instead of the nose and mouth being connected to the throat which is connected to the lungs and gullet, which causes a traffic jam that often leads to accidents (choking), the nose should be connected directly to the lungs while the mouth should be connected directly to the gullet. This would eliminate the risk of choking to death. However, we would have to speak through our noses, like dolphins. Speaking through our noses sounds weird, but if we had evolved that way, talking through our noses would seem perfectly normal to us.

Great.
We should have more atheists engage in surgery to correct the "mistake" of God.
That way, they will prove beyond doubt how God should have made it.

Lets start with your surgery seun

winner01:
Great.
We should have more atheists engage in surgery to correct the "mistake" of God.
That way, they will prove beyond doubt how God should have made it.

Lets start with your surgery seun

exactly! with the advent of plastic and corrective surgery why not give man a perfect physiology and lets see how that works out.....


if you say we are imperfect then pick a test subject and make him perfect so we can do a comparative analysis of both and see who outlives the other or who would be catastrophe free.

Seun:

By your logic, if the super eagles have a useless keeper who regularly scores own goals and misses easy shots, we cannot criticize the keeper's performance as an individual, nor can we expect that replacing the keeper with a great keeper from another team will help the team. This is not so. The flaws in the human body persist because evolution is imperfect. Our features are good enough for our survival, but clearly flawed.

!
Yes.
By ur logic when a team replaces a "weak part". It improves.
Sorry Manutd got a "better manager" in the summer. He lost 4-0 yesterday.
U can see that even ur analogy is failing here.
There is no flaw in the human body.
Simple.
I gave u an example, if u want to compare the eye for example, then compare the whole brain with it. Because the eye is a continuation of the brain.
By the way God didnt create u for water, so why will u compare ur eyes with that of an octopus?
Moreover, u have a brain that can assemble torch lights that can even work unde water.
So what "flaw" do u mean?

Seun:




I don't see how having a better brain makes it necessary for us to have an inferior light gathering apparatus.

!
Sorry u dont have inferior eyes.
The animal u r comparing its eyes, if faced with the stress ur brain takes, would die.
By the way, I hope u know all organs are continuations of the brain.
Obviously u dont know that.

Seun:


No, he's suggesting that instead of the nose and mouth being connected to the throat which is connected to the lungs and gullet, which causes a traffic jam that often leads to accidents (choking), the nose should be connected directly to the lungs while the mouth should be connected directly to the gullet. This would eliminate the risk of choking to death. However, we would have to speak through our noses, like dolphins. Speaking through our noses sounds weird, but if we had evolved that way, talking through our noses would seem perfectly normal to us.

No he is just wailing.
If u take statistics of people who choke versus the number of people eating and breathing right now without any problem, it is inconsequential.
Microscopic.
By the way everything has precautions.
You want to eat and talk at the same time, choke and then blame God. Sorry.
Thats childish.

4everGod:



exactly! with the advent of plastic and corrective surgery why not give man a perfect physiology and lets see how that works out.....


if you say we are imperfect then pick a test subject and make him perfect so we can do a comparative analysis of both and see who outlives the other or who would be catastrophe free.

I dont think Seun will agree to such surgery for obvious reasons.

He himself is not convinced with what he says.

As quoted in "the atheists delusion", the atheists are collectively like a beetle threathening to fight in a vast universe.

I mean, why would proteins form cells randomly, and begin to rearrange themselves in order to make a conscious living man.

And the conscious man now believes he got reasonable from the fusion of random cells.

Its funny.

4everGod:
I wanted to type a response to lennycool but I realised that he has murdered his own post with his uninformed analogies.

Every tiny part of the human body depends on another part in order to be relevant and this is beyond evolution...its about a merging and fine tuning of these organs and functions.

He also forgot that science claims that man is the pinnacle of evolution yet under the law of natural selection we did not get the best from our supposed ancestors but an eagle has a better eye sight than we do, a dog has better hearing and better smelling, a horse has greater stamina, a chimp can both walk and climb with greater ease than we can yet we share genes with these creatures they say we evolved from.

Your post is funny. Scientists never claimed humans are the pinnacle of evolution as there is no pinnacle of evolution. Its not a prize you win after fulfilling some criteria. It's a biological process and each specie is different

So did the law of natural selection not apply to us when we were evolving? Is it applicable to all else except man?

The way every part of the body works painlessly and smoothly does not depict a process still evolving it depicts a process that has been concluded and set to run in its finished state. We are not an evolutionary experiment. ..we are finished products that need no further tweeking.

Humans are not finished products there we still have a lot of evolving to do. Do you know that not all humans can digest milk, they're lactose intolerant, do you also know that more humans are being born without their wisdom tooth as it has outlived its usefulness ever since we learnt how to cook.

I often ask this question and I will ask you lennycool...you say we are still evolving right? So how is it that when a child is born with 12 fingers or 12 toes we call it a birth DEFORMITY or DEFECT and not see it as part of the evolutionary process? How is it that when a baby is born with a hole in the heart we call it a deformity and not a process of evolution? How is it that a man can have 34 teeth as against 32 and it is know as a DEFECT?

You don't know what evolution is. A deformity, a defect or a mutation are all genetic and if they favour an organism and are heritable, they will pass it on to their offsprings, if it doesn't favour them or can't be passed on it will die out, so if 12 fingers favour a human to better survive and he could pass it on, which I don't he can as not all traits can be passed. Then he will, and that is evolution, the selection of beneficial traits passed on to offsprings over time.
For example let's imagine there a 5 dogs and their dog food is placed on a high platform that only those who have long necks can reach(just imagine), now these dogs have children and one of them is born with a defect or mutation for longer neck. Now the dog with the slightly longer neck can reach the food and others have to fight for scraps, hence the one with the longer next is much suited to survive. This dog now will mate and produce offsprings with still longer necks, hence he passed his long neck genes to his offsprings. The dogs with long necks are still more suited than the other animals, hence they will survive more and make more offsprings with even longer necks and those with shorter necks will reduce in population as they now have little food. They will overtime die out and the longer neck dogs will continue breeding. This is evolution.


[/quote] You see, your thread died even before it began.[/quote]
Sorry but you said nothing of importance.

Lennycool:

Your post is funny. Scientists never claimed humans are the pinnacle of evolution as there is no pinnacle of evolution. Its not a prize you win after fulfilling some criteria. It's a biological process and each specie is different


Humans are not finished products there we still have a lot of evolving to do. Do you know that not all humans can digest milk, they're lactose intolerant, do you also know that more humans are being born without their wisdom tooth as it has outlived its usefulness ever since we learnt how to cook.


You don't know what evolution is. A deformity, a defect or a mutation are all genetic and if they favour an organism and are heritable, they will pass it on to their offsprings, if it doesn't favour them or can't be passed on it will die out, so if 12 fingers favour a human to better survive and he could pass it on, which I don't he can as not all traits can be passed. Then he will, and that is evolution, the selection of beneficial traits passed on to offsprings over time.
For example let's imagine there a 5 dogs and their dog food is placed on a high platform that only those who have long necks can reach(just imagine), now these dogs have children and one of them is born with a defect or mutation for longer neck. Now the dog with the slightly longer neck can reach the food and others have to fight for scraps, hence the one with the longer next is much suited to survive. This dog now will mate and produce offsprings with still longer necks, hence he passed his long neck genes to his offsprings. The dogs with long necks are still more suited than the other animals, hence they will survive more and make more offsprings with even longer necks and those with shorter necks will reduce in population as they now have little food. They will overtime die out and the longer neck dogs will continue breeding. This is evolution.


You see, your thread died even before it began.
Sorry but you said nothing of importance.

I guess my comment was lost on you and you chose to ignore why we lost out in the law of natural selection.

What you are doing is clutching at straws....anything to disprove creation but all you are saying is hogwash. I am even in the bush typing this and wish I had access to my laptop here as my phone is not helping out much.

Anytime evolution comes up I hear a repeated statement of man no longer being able to digest milk....lol how convenient and that happened how spontaneously? Yes a slight genetic modification that gives 12 toes and 12 fingers or 34 teeth is not evolutionary but a defect. Your case is beyond help.

4everGod:



Seun since you feel this would have been a better evolutionary direction for man and then we had the edge of the law of natural selection how come we did not evolve in that direction? Care to share?

For the human body isolating one part is foolish as all parts work together to keep us alive. So share with us why we did not evolve in the direction you seem to think is better.

Because some evolutionary needs are more pressing than others, the eyes though flawed could still do its function, same with legs and testicles, if its not immediately life threatening evolution will move on to other aspects that need more attention.
But a creator would have made us completely perfect

raphieMontella:

eptomic pregnancies,,name them!
The female body itself is proof of Non-design!

I didn't want to go into the too small birth canal as they will say it is Gods curse.

4everGod:
He also forgot that science claims that man is the pinnacle of evolution yet under the law of natural selection we did not get the best from our supposed ancestors but an eagle has a better eye sight than we do, a dog has better hearing and better smelling, a horse has greater stamina, a chimp can both walk and climb with greater ease than we can yet we share genes with these creatures they say we evolved from.

Science has nothing to say about any creature being the pinnacle of evolution. However, creationists do believe that man was created in the image of God and that he is the pinnacle of God's creation. The things you mentioned above speak against creation and in favor of evolution.

The way every part of the body works painlessly and smoothly does not depict a process still evolving it depicts a process that has been concluded and set to run in its finished state. We are not an evolutionary experiment. we are finished products that need no further tweaking.

You shouldn't say things like this unless you're sure that there are no ladies suffering from PMS in your vicinity. You'd get your ass whooped!

I often ask this question and I will ask you lennycool...you say we are still evolving right? So how is it that when a child is born with 12 fingers or 12 toes we call it a birth DEFORMITY or DEFECT and not see it as part of the evolutionary process? How is it that when a baby is born with a hole in the heart we call it a deformity and not a process of evolution?

We call a mutation a deformity or defect if we feel that it is harmful to the bearer. A child with 12 toes is likely to be mocked by her peers and enjoy no advantages. A child with a hole in the heart will probably die young after a difficult life. On the other hand, if a baby is born with a beneficial mutation such as muscles that enable her to run really fast or an abnormally high IQ, nobody will call it a deformity or a defect.

4everGod:



exactly! with the advent of plastic and corrective surgery why not give man a perfect physiology and lets see how that works out.....


if you say we are imperfect then pick a test subject and make him perfect so we can do a comparative analysis of both and see who outlives the other or who would be catastrophe free.

I'd take more than just surgery to correct all the imperfections, maybe DNA manipulation.

If the human body didn't have flaws, there would be almost no disease.

In case of inherited disease, the flaw is in the error that sometimes occurs during DNA replication. Mitosis, meiosis.

DNA replication is not perfect. Did you know that most 1st trimester abortions are due to gross genetic abnormalities? Something basically goes wrong.

Down's Syndrome? Due to non-disjunction of chromosome 21. Couldn't that have been perfect? No. It is flawed. Unfortunate, but it happens.
Several other examples.

In fact, if the human body was perfect, our immune systems should be 100% capable of eliminating microorganisms. We shouldn't have disease, should we?

The body isn't perfect. That is obvious. Anyone that says otherwise is not trying to see the full picture.

My argument has been made irrespective of religious sentiment.

Lennycool:

Because some evolutionary needs are more pressing than others, the eyes though flawed could still do its function, same with legs and testicles, if its not immediately life threatening evolution will move on to other aspects that need more attention.
But a creator would have made us completely perfect

young man stop messing yourself about. Was the supposed first evolutionary process life threatening? If evolution allegedly began spontaneously what stops it from continuing spontaneously? Now you want to hide under a "life threatening clause you created"?

Nothing should need more attention to evolutiom except a quest for perfection or is evolution not thinking for itself and planning and no longer random?

You seem to think you can make a human perfect thereby defeating the creationists then by all means present your alternative human who is perfect by your standards. if you cannot then your analogy of man beiing imperfect is a silly one and holds no water.

You must be able to re create a perfect man by evolutionary standards then do a comparison...simple as pie

is that too hard to do for our worlds super scientists and super intelligent people like you lennycool?

Talk is cheap...can you back it up?