Sweetguy25:

The north easterners are Nigerians, if your mind and mentality wasn't biased because of ethnic sentiments, you wouldn't see anything with it.
A section of Nigeria has been severely ravaged by terrorism and violence, it is the duty of every patriotic Nigerian to ensure that part of Nigeria be rebuilt and the Nigerians living resume their normal lives with stability.
Is anything wrrong with that?

the whole of south east was destroyed during the war how much of Nigeria's Vat was used to rebuild the cities.

A patriotic person would ask , is there a timeframe for the rebuilding of the north and where is the road map for it.



The truth is that the northern elders throgh boko haram or this post boko- haram strategy the northern elite have secured a major means of income

This is we run Nigeria !, whenever the North want power, they sponsors their children to carry out violent and destruction of their region including lives ( afterwards they have many almajiris), once they get the power, they use the Nigeria resources to rebuild what they have destroyed ! .

Bnladan:
Tonye I used 2 admire u. Sometimes because of ur neutrality and unbiased analysis of matters. But sincerely speakn, u've made urself low dis tym and looked lyk many nairaland bigots consumed with hate, tribalism and enmity. Tonye @ 1st I wanted 2 reply objectively 2 points u raised, not before I read ur "Peter and Ibrahim" statement wc changed my mind. But let me say dis, b4 we re northerners, easterners, southerners or westerners we are Humans . I wudnt mind if same was done 2 another region ravaged by war. I hv been 2 some affected towns. Believe me, every normal human being will weep for these helpless ppl. Tonye, dnt let urself be consumed by hate dat will eventually format ur sense of emphaty. Tnx

Firstly, I used Peter and Ibrahim because both are names of humans. Except you are saying otherwise.

Secondly, there is NO INCH of bigotry. Every region has their own demands and interest including the north and South south (where I am from). The PIB bill has been there since 2008 but nothing has come out because it doesn't serve the interest of the North. Now come the NEDC. Who destroyed the NE with Boko Haram? Is it the South? why use the resources of the South to lavish on NE while abandoning the South? Do you know what 3% VAT is? Was it not your Senators and mine that blocked Lagos bid for 1% VAT only 10days ago? Why can't NE use their share of allocation fix NE? Why can't they do fundraising as usually the norm?

You guys can't be increasing your purse through the backdoor

mmb:
TonyeBarcanista, I didnt know you are an ethnic and religious bigot and magot until today.

useless topic.

Where is bigotry in the piece?

Intrepid01:


Bros stop being petty. Stop crying like a bereaved person. In 2011, the SWesterners went all out to support GEJ. The only state where Ribadu had a meaningful vote was Osun state. The fact that SWesterners decided to go the other way round in 2015 does not make them ENEMIES of SS or SE. If you would be realistic to yourself; It was a SWesterner in person Obasanjo that purposely positioned GEJ for presidency. It was also the SWesteners that came all out through Femi Falana's Campaign for Democracy to support GEJ when he was being marginalized by Yaradua's kitchen cabinet. But the problem with some people is, they think they have right to your loyalty. No one has right to anyones loyalty, it is earned. SEasterners supported GEJ because they benefited from his Governemnt the most.

You need to understand this is politics, you support the side that favours you. Yorubas felt betrayed by GEJ based on his choice of appointment and re-aligned with the North to have the Vice-presidency since they have produced the President in recent time. But the truth is there is no permanent friend or enemy in politics, there is only PERMANENT INTEREST.
The issue is the South Southerners have moved on but the Igbos have refused to move on, crying more than the bereaved.
The fact is the only way to have a short at the Presidency is through ALIGNMENT. IGBOs can only produce the president if they bury the hatchet and move on. But that seems to be very difficult to do.

If all Southernes regions decide to be at loggerheads, it will only be to the advantage of the North. So it will be a collective loss.

And so be it.

dEastActivist:
There is nothing wrong with this bill.

The SE and SS mostly Igbos are in full support.

The northern senators should in matter of patriotism lender same support for the similar SE development commission bill to be created, sponsored and passed that will foresee the implementation of the 3Rs that was recommended by the FG.

Pls Somebody should stop getting jealous and hating.
Lagos didn't suffer any crises to warrant any monetary intervention of any sort from the FG thats why the bill failed, even the op didn't support it but to score cheap political points has made him seems he is in support. Yorubas should beware.

Ok, let's wait and see how North will support you when it's ur turn

walexbiz:


You are a complete retard, if some group of renegade decides to desecrate their own land whose fault is it. 3% of vat is excessive and it will give the whole north undue advantage of reaping where they did not sow. In the north where Sharia is being practiced it behoves to ask their religious leader what part of Sharia makes it halal to share proceedings from an harm source.

This is hypocrisy of the highest order embellish with day light robbery.

Your words to sense ratio is shot, coz.

You're just another blithering, blabbing arsehole with lots to say and no sense to make.

It's gonna happen and you primates can't do squat about it besides yell your silly heads off on the internet.

Fucckking couch warrior.

sarutobie:

bloody revisionist.. unrepentant liar!
where were you when obasanjo OKayed sharia law in the NE?
where were you when northern elders accused ihejirika and the president of committing genocide in their bid to flush out the blood sucking terrorists?
where were you when devilish northern elders termed the fight against book haram as a "fight against the north"??
where the fvck where you when Jonathan wanted international bodies to recognize book haram as a terrorist organization in order to get more logistics and muscle to eliminate them once and for good?
where were you when countries like USA refused to acknowledge them as terrorist and even refused us weapons?
where the fvck were you when Jonathan was forced to seek military muscle from eastern Europe??
where the fvck were you when your current president berated the past administration for seeking for military cooperation with our bordering neighbours??

you want to feign ignorance of all the past administration did to subdue the 2nd most deadly terrorist organization all on it's own? you fvcking hypocrite want us to believe you weren't reading all these on the dailies? your sojourn in the internet started in 2015 right? GTFOH!

GEJ created BH.

So there.

We're gonna do this and you primitive arseholes can only rant on the internet.

So fucckk off, you gunk smoking son of a jobless diabetic.

TonyeBarcanista:
Why can't your governors rebuild the region with their allocation?

Are your governors rebuilding YOUR region with their allocation?

MONITZ:



And wat is the contribution of the North eastern part of the country to the federal purse if I may ask since u ve decided to juxtapose N. E. D. C with N. D. D. C, let me give u some hints; VAT collection (almost zero for north east) while only Lagos generates a minimum of about 80% of the country's VAT ,also mineral resources ( zero for the North east as well, though there might be some prospects bt no exploitation that I know of yet),while the south southern part of the country contributes a huge chunk of the country's wealth. "From whom much is taken, much is given back" is a common saying .

If we were practising true federalism, many northern states won't be able to fend for themselves and would definitely go bankrupt just like the state of Illinois is experiencing presently.

The North is always tardy and inimical to the progress of the country as a whole, they re parasites ,to put it more succinctly and this is the major reason u guys don't want genuine federalism in Nigeria,bt we definitely can't continue like this forever, we will break this yoke thrust upon us by the British at the appropriate time.

The imbalance is just too glaringly glaring, to highlight this, take a look at the old Kano and Lagos states that were created at about the same time ,two more states ve since been carved out of the old Kano thus making it ve about 70 Local government areas,if it was still a single state while Lagos still has the the same initial 20 L. G. A , minus the L. C. D. A's that Tinubu stubbornly created and which drew the ire of O. B. J and which made him seize Lagos state's allocation until Yaradua came in and cleared the backlog,now where in the world will u see this kind of injustice if not Nigeria because at the end of the day wen allocations will be given, the old Kano will differently be getting higher allocations because it has more L. G. A's than Lagos and this was wat Tinubu tried to correct by creating more L. C. D. A's before Obasanjo became a dog in the manger. U guys think u own this country and everything therein, u re making a very big mistake as the tide will surely turn someday because we can't just continue like this.

True federalism is the only way out of this logjam so that every component can develop at her pace and pay taxes to the central government just like it should be done.

Most ethnic jaundiced opinions such as this are always based on false foundations. If Monitz is asked about true federalism he would barely provide a reasonable answer. Because his brain eaten up by prejudice weevils same also his opinions.

True federalism allows the constituent states manage their tax regimes simple. In Nigeria's case the tax regimes are evenly divided for the Federal govt and states.

Now what Monitz is trying to articulate which he failed to, is State participation in exploitation and exploration of natural resources. He was wants the States with their own "NNPC" etc. But that's socialism not true federalism. Government involved in business is socialism.

Any sane senator 4rm d south shouldn't ave vote on dat bill all dos biggy Belle senators are just gud in sleeping during house session....

I tire self nonsensical nonsense

ExInferis:


GEJ created BH.

So there.

We're gonna do this and you primitive arseholes can only rant on the internet.

So fucckk off, you gunk smoking son of a jobless diabetic.

arsewipe do you even know the meaning of the gibberish you typed? displaying pseudo intelligence won't impress anyone here..Jonathan created boko haram? good let them wipe themselves out..

When I keep telling u guys that Nigeria's problem are the Northerners, if we were not merged with this kangaroos, Nigeria wouldn't have found there selves in this mess, I believe sooner or later Nigeria would seperate by God's grace and southerners would see freedom. But stayyying together with these Kangaroos called Northerners will always be desastarious to other Region. Lazy, jobless Kangaroos always feels they are smart, but I tell u time will come when they will pay so dearly for what they have done to this countr. time will tell.

bejeiodus:
First, have you been to the Northeast to have firsthand experience of the destruction wrought by Boko Haram?

Second, why are you against this patriotic act of lending a hand in rebuilding the Northeast? Shouldn't we be our brothers' keeper?

Third, the bill will definitely sail through in the lower house. The honourable members are guided by facts, not hatred and tribalism.

The Southern senators who voted in favour of the bill are citizens who identify with the dire situation the people of the Northeast find themselves. Whether the armed group was allowed to fester by the elite or not won't rebuild schools, fight the scourge of war nor provide nutrient to highly malnourished children. The people of the Northeast have suffered enough. They need empathy, Tonye, not scorn and sneer.

By the way, other regions can agitate for a development commission if they have the political weight to pull it through.

But did these southern senators come to their constituents to ask them if they supported such a move? No sir, they did not. So they voted on their own without the go ahead of their constituents.

Kay17:


Most ethnic jaundiced opinions such as this are always based on false foundations. If Monitz is asked about true federalism he would barely provide a reasonable answer. Because his brain eaten up by prejudice weevils same also his opinions.

True federalism allows the constituent states manage their tax regimes simple. In Nigeria's case the tax regimes are evenly divided for the Federal govt and states.

Now what Monitz is trying to articulate which he failed to, is State participation in exploitation and exploration of natural resources. He was wants the States with their own "NNPC" etc. But that's socialism not true federalism. Government involved in business is socialism.

And Mr. wat makes u think monitz doesn't know Wat a federal system is? The one the U. S. currently operates is a Kay 17 system of government I guess. U don't assume,get ur facts right and don't come online to insult people with diatribe just because their argument don't tally with urs, Monitz considers a part of wat u wrote as an insult and that is preposterous.

MONITZ:



And Mr. wat makes u think monitz doesn't know Wat a federal system is? The one the U. S. currently operates is a Kay 17 system of government I guess. U don't assume,get ur facts right and don't come online to insult people with diatribe just because their argument don't tally with urs, Monitz considers a part of wat u wrote as an insult and that is preposterous.

What is the fundamental difference between the U.S. system and Nigerian system? And I'm waiting for you to say resource control.

samsono30:
When I keep telling u guys that Nigeria's problem are the Northerners, if we were not merged with this kangaroos, Nigeria wouldn't have found there selves in this mess, I believe sooner or later Nigeria would seperate by God's grace and southerners would see freedom. But stayyying together with these Kangaroos called Northerners will always be desastarious to other Region. Lazy, jobless Kangaroos always feels they are smart, but I tell u time will come when they will pay so dearly for what they have done to this countr. time will tell.

Does North in your meaning include Middle Belt?

ExInferis:


GEJ created BH.

So there.

We're gonna do this and you primitive arseholes can only rant on the internet.

So fucckk off, you gunk smoking son of a jobless diabetic.

If u don't know let me enlighten u a bit, Buhari is the master mind behind boko haram and all they crisis that have erupted in North central, when he claimed boko haram was after him in a bomb blast that erupted in kaduna after a Juma prayer, all was just staged so people will not suspect him, since 1999 different region have experience one crisis or they other because he want power, but now that is in power Boko Haram laid low infact they attacks by boko haram has totally reduce if not now that his triber so call fullani cawards who strike at night when every soul is asleep can't strike by day time because they are cawards are pertrating all their evil means in his regime, has the idiot dullard spoken about it till now that am speaking? All they crisis that have erupted in this country and any one who stands in there way of quest for power where sponsored and staged by these Kangaroos called Northern elites and which most of it can be trace to the so call Dullard Buhari.

Kay17:



Does North in your meaning include Middle Belt?

Am not including middle belt in these issue, infact its they middle belt that is even suffering more from these blood sucking kangaroos called hausa/Fullani's northerners.

Kay17:


What is the fundamental difference between the U.S. system and Nigerian system?

Hmmm,ok for a start, the city of Las Vegas is in Nevada which makes her money from majorly casinos and other forms of entertainments without any form of hindrance from the central government and at the end of it all there is a certain amount of tax the state pays to the central government which is used to run her affairs majorly those items on the exclusive lists like the Armed Forces, bla bla bla.

Come down to Lagos state of Nigeria that generates about 80% percent of the total VAT for Nigeria and at the end of the day wat she gets in return from the central government is a pittance.

bejeiodus:
First, have you been to the Northeast to have firsthand experience of the destruction wrought by Boko Haram?

Second, why are you against this patriotic act of lending a hand in rebuilding the Northeast? Shouldn't we be our brothers' keeper?

Third, the bill will definitely sail through in the lower house. The honourable members are guided by facts, not hatred and tribalism.

The Southern senators who voted in favour of the bill are citizens who identify with the dire situation the people of the Northeast find themselves. Whether the armed group was allowed to fester by the elite or not won't rebuild schools, fight the scourge of war nor provide nutrient to highly malnourished children. The people of the Northeast have suffered enough. They need empathy, Tonye, not scorn and sneer.

By the way, other regions can agitate for a development commission if they have the political weight to pull it through.

Fantastic answer..... need I say more

Nigeria is not a nation. Go and look at the definition of a nation, see people with divided minds. There is no common Vision for all,in a nation there is common Vision but yet to see one in Nigeria. A nation where people are about a section, you see!

MONITZ:



Hmmm,ok for a start, the city of Las Vegas is in Nevada which makes her money from majorly casinos and other forms of entertainments without any form of hindrance from the central government and at the end of it all there is a certain amount of tax the state pays to the central government which is used to run her affairs majorly those items on the exclusive lists like the Armed Forces, bla bla bla.

Come down to Lagos state of Nigeria that generates about 80% percent of the total VAT for Nigeria and at the end of the day wat she gets in return from the central government is a pittance.

Similarly Lagos State gets the income tax of all persons in Lagos including land taxes and licences the state govt issues just as the casinos et al in Las Vegas.

But the VAT in the US is split between the States and the Federal Govt. It's a part of the US tax code. So there is hardly a difference between US and Nigeria in regards to tax regime

EDITED sorry the US dOEs not have VAT but the Congress can make law on it and take it all

samsono30:


Am not including middle belt in these issue, infact its they middle belt that is even suffering more from these blood sucking kangaroos called hausa/Fullani's northerners.

Ok. So your definition of North is minus Middle Belt and all the Christian minorities, Taraba and Adamawa, and the Kanuri and other ethnic minorities?

TonyeBarcanista:

Firstly, I used Peter and Ibrahim because both are names of humans. Except you are saying otherwise.

Secondly, there is NO INCH of bigotry. Every region has their own demands and interest including the north and South south (where I am from). The PIB bill has been there since 2008 but nothing has come out because it doesn't serve the interest of the North. Now come the NEDC. Who destroyed the NE with Boko Haram? Is it the South? why use the resources of the South to lavish on NE while abandoning the South? Do you know what 3% VAT is? Was it not your Senators and mine that blocked Lagos bid for 1% VAT only 10days ago? Why can't NE use their share of allocation fix NE? Why can't they do fundraising as usually the norm?

You guys can't be increasing your purse through the backdoor

come on man, nobody needs a prophet 2 explain d "Peter and Ibrahim" statement to him. U used Peter here 2 represent South (coz it's a Christian name and predominantly used by southern ppl) and Ibrahim 2 represent North ( an islamic name mostly used by muslims from d north). Y not say it d way it is "Peter and Paul"?. Secondly, Niger Deltans hv benefited frm scholarships, empowerment, infrastructure all frm d NDDC. Dia is a ministry for dia affairs(dnt forget it was a northerner dat established dat). All dis are not wat d NE are asking for. Dey re askn for housing, water, power, hospitals and schools. I'm not from dat region for ur information, I am frm d NW. And I wnt mind it if d same is done 2 any oda region. Every Nigerian deserves dis. NE deserve dis more

[quote author=WINNERMENTALITY post=50450500].... U tramp... Come to south east around Oji river and see that South East were given nothing to rebuild their land.. I can see Boko haram was a conspiracy from the North to draw sympathy around Nigeria and the world... Everything is becoming clear to me... Boko haram did not do 1/4 of what Nigeria army did in South East and till today.. The 3r by Gowon has not been implemented.... I smell conspiracy... God pass them....

My Pray is for God to elevate Boko haram to Al-queada and Isis.. Whatever Bigger than Boko haram... Let them Bomb the whole North .. Demons[/quoAnd you think if they bomb the w

And you think if they bomb the whole North.. The South would be safe a place,abi ?

And for sure,the proposed NEDC will be funded by the Niger Delta crude oil and gas-based money.

Sibrah:
Like Biafra, BH tried to break Nigeria. Why the national donation?

Biafra was a popular movement of a group of people with common understanding. Boko haram is a terrorist group which has killed, raveged, destroyed and plundered members of the very region where it has it's roots. Where the Chibok girls southerners?

You better not let your young mind be clouded by the unreasoning fervor of blind hate. A failure to rebuild and develop the north is definitely a problem for the whole of Nigeria because poor, hopeless northern youth will trickle down into other parts of Nigeria and wreak havoc, state by state. We are already seeing tis happening with "herdsmen".

In fact, the growth of Boko Haram can directly be linked to the low levels of education and economic empowerment in the North, generally. So to prevent this problem from turning into a vicious cycle, Nigeria must intervene.

It is also quite obvious that prosperity for any one region will result in prosperity for all regions. Agriculturally, the north is the bread basket of the nation. If the north is prosperous, food will be abundant and cheap, there will be lot's of opportunity for trade and everyone will become richer. If the North is able to develop and maintain strong industries like other parts of Nigeria, then the whole of Nigeria will become more prosperous.

Lastly, note that the government is a government of the people and for the people. That is to say, the government owes certain responsibilities to all Nigerians irrespective of where they come from within Nigeria.

Say no to blind hate.

God bless u tonyebarcanista.
Why rob one to pay another. I'm totally against this bill.
Our Southern senators who voted in favour of this bill need their heads examined. They re useless as pigs in the gutter.

bejeiodus:
First, have you been to the Northeast to have firsthand experience of the destruction wrought by Boko Haram?

Second, why are you against this patriotic act of lending a hand in rebuilding the Northeast? Shouldn't we be our brothers' keeper?

Third, the bill will definitely sail through in the lower house. The honourable members are guided by facts, not hatred and tribalism.

The Southern senators who voted in favour of the bill are citizens who identify with the dire situation the people of the Northeast find themselves. Whether the armed group was allowed to fester by the elite or not won't rebuild schools, fight the scourge of war nor provide nutrient to highly malnourished children. The people of the Northeast have suffered enough. They need empathy, Tonye, not scorn and sneer.

By the way, other regions can agitate for a development commission if they have the political weight to pull it through.

«if they have the political weight to pull it through»

ExInferis:


Are your governors rebuilding YOUR region with their allocation?

The money from my region that isn't enough to take care of us is shared with you. You have now taken a step further to accumulate a whopping 3% from the same money while me that own the money is given nothing. My friend, rebuilding NE is the business of NE. Though as humans we have to join hands but it is ridiculous to take it by force.

TonyeBarcanista:

You are hypocritical and maybe uninformed.

NDDC is the successor agency of OMPADEC with mandate to, among many take care of the complaints of the region especially taking care of the oil spillage and environmental degradation. These were effect of OIL EXPLORATION by Oil companies and FG. The NDDC is funded with OIL MONEY from the region and not cassava money from Kano.

Secondly, we have consistently maintained that NDDC is a fraud, instead we want review of the sharing formula and be able to be self sufficient. The NDDC is in fact a favor we are doing to Nigeria and not the other way round.

On Ministry of Niger Delta, honestly, I don't think any Niger Felt an has felt their impact. it is an aberration like NDDC. Scrap it.


W will have no problem IF NEDC is to be funded by 3% VAT from the Northern states.



PS: I don't hate the north but I won't tolerate oppression and fraud.

and if I may ask mister oil money. With which money did Nigeria drill d fucking oil u are shouting about. Groundnut money nd d so called cassava money u re saying. So if d oil money comes from d North nd we did nt wail abt anything den y nw?? Guy put ur sef in d NE shoes nd think we'll because from Wat am seeing ur mind z blocked my tribalism, ur thinking is too biased nd sentimental