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How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 7:14am On Oct 27, 2016
It is a straightforward question. Militants and their supporters will celebrate destroying government infrastructure in the NigerDelta I imagine. However, away from the mindless jubilation, how do pipeline bombing, attacking and kidnapping oil workers bring about growth and development in the region?

One would think the region would be the most developed by now if it were an effective strategy going by the number of attacks that have occurred in the region since 1999.

Feel free to explain if you have answers to the questions. Don't come here to boast about blowing up things, I have already identified that as mindless, what I want to know is how it is an effective development strategy.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by Emycord: 7:32am On Oct 27, 2016
How does it underdevelope nigeria. Someone is aggrieved instead of you to hear from him you suppress him cos he is minority. Then he responds with the only means that you understand: violence. If its affecting only nd will nigeria react? The truth is they are crippling nigeria economy not only nd. Now lets assume lagos port feeds the whole nation will yoruba not act same way ? Before you criticise nd think if its you what will you do

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by gidgiddy: 7:40am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:
It is a straightforward question. Militants and their supporters will celebrate destroying government infrastructure in the NigerDelta I imagine. However, away from the mindless jubilation, how do pipeline bombing, attacking and kidnapping oil workers bring about growth aond development in the region?

One would think the region would be the most developed by now if it were an effective strategy going by the number of attacks that have occurred in the region since 1999.

Feel free to explain if you have answers to the question s. Don't come here to boast about blowing up things, I have already identified that as mindless, what I want to know is how it is an effective development strategy.

Lets say you have a water well in your own compound. Out of the goodness of your heart, you allow all your neigbours to benefit from your well by connecting pipes to their homes and beyond. Overtime, you find out the consumotion of your own water by others has become so high that there is no longer enough for you and your family. You go to your neigbours and complain that you want to now control how this water is distributed and shared so as to have enough for your self, but your neigbours ignore you, some even insult you.

How long will it be before you disconnect your neigbours to remind them owns the well?

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by izombie(m): 7:46am On Oct 27, 2016
Op here is a question for you . how has not blowing pipelines and oil facilities for decades developed niger delta?

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by ZKOSOSO(m): 7:52am On Oct 27, 2016
Yep, it awakens the desire and thirst to be in total control of the oil and it's proceeds.
its a mark of rebellion ......against the North....
It kinda gives a ''feel good'' or ''Highness '' for some time..

Afterall the environment is constantly destroyed by multinationals...
So wetin dey there?
Nobody can develop the NDELTA except the ND people themselves!! So the development of ND can only take place when the much anticipated splitting or regional govt take place in the very foreseeable future......all thanks to our Gen Casandra....the Divider...

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by Nobody: 7:54am On Oct 27, 2016
@Op I have a simple question for you once you answer it I will answer yours:

How does the current arrange in Nigeria develops Niger Delta?

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 7:54am On Oct 27, 2016
Emycord:
How does it underdevelope nigeria. Someone is aggrieved instead of you to hear from him you suppress him cos he is minority. Then he responds with the only means that you understand: violence. If its affecting only nd will nigeria react? The truth is they are crippling nigeria economy not only nd. Now lets assume lagos port feeds the whole nation will yoruba not act same way ? Before you criticise nd think if its you what will you do

You have not answered the question, it is a very simple question.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 7:59am On Oct 27, 2016
My question is a very simple question, people should not bring diversionary arguments. Those who are blowing pipelines have not said they do so to develop Nigeria. So, for the purpose of this thread, we are leaving out the effects of their activities on Nigeria.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 8:01am On Oct 27, 2016
woodcook:
@Op I have a simple question for you once you answer it I will answer yours:

How does the current arrange in Nigeria develops Niger Delta?

If you had asked first you would have had a point. I asked first, my question gets primacy for us to have a discussion.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by QuotaSystem: 8:02am On Oct 27, 2016
gidgiddy:


Lets say you have a water well in your own compound. Out of the goodness of your heart, you allow all your neigbours to benefit from your well by connecting pipies to their homes and beyond. Overtime, you find out the consumotion of your own water by others has become so high that there is no longer enough for you and your faminly. You go to your neigbours neigbours and complain that you want to now control how this water is distributed and shared so as to have enough for your self, but your neigbours ignore you, some even insult you.

How long will it be before you disconnect your neigbours to remind them owns the well?

This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors to spite them, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by Emycord: 8:03am On Oct 27, 2016
How has nigeria developed the nd since they start oil exploration and till militants arose. Answer that one first cos it seems thats that the unanswered question that led to bombings in the first place. Dear maclatunji don't treat symptoms treat the cause. Bombing is the symptom neglect is the cause
maclatunji:


You have not answered the question, it is a very simple question.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:05am On Oct 27, 2016
@OP Firstly, who says pipeline vandalism. facilitates ND development?


To answer you, vandalism doesn't cause development but it draws attention to the plight of the people.

Unfortunately, most vandals today are businessmen with backing of politicians that are taking advantage of the plight of the people to further their interest.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 8:08am On Oct 27, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
@OP Firstly, who says pipeline vandalism. facilitates ND development?


To answer you, vandalism doesn't cause development but it draws attention to the plight of the people.

Unfortunately, most vandals today are businessmen with backing of politicians that are taking advantage of the plight of the people to further their interest.

Please, this your post is the worst. I am sure the militants will not agree with you because it elevates their situation from being stupid to crazy. Who breaks the doors and windows of his house to draw attention to his problems?

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by LoveMachine(m): 8:15am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:
My question is a very simple question, people should not bring diversionary arguments. Those who are blowing pipelines have not said they do so to develop Nigeria. So, for the purpose of this thread, we are leaving out the effects of their activities on Nigeria.

You won't get an answer. You will instead receive deflection. They will answer your question with another question with the hope that maybe juuuust maybe they can get you to bite on their fakeout.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 8:16am On Oct 27, 2016
LoveMachine:


You won't get an answer. You will instead receive deflection. They will answer your question with another question with the hope that maybe juuuust maybe they can get you to bite on their fakeout.

Abi.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:17am On Oct 27, 2016
QuotaSystem:


This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents.

,1. Niger Delta never dug any well but the land of some Niger Delta families was dug. The waters they fished on for their survival was polluted due to exploration activities. This has killed their predominant profession of Fishing.

2. By "law" or by the decree of one man? Who and who made the "law"? who made the Land Use. Decree? was ND Representatives involved or a certain General? Who made the Constitution? Were the people involved? If it was legal for mineral resources owners to keep 50% of their. rwenue before the. crude oil era, why make it illegal after the oil era?

3. The Niger Delta DOES NOT benefit from the peanut 13%, the elite does. Beside, we told Obj that we don't want 13% given to Governors but instead to the oil producing communities. Even the NDDC is not effective. We don't need any padipadi commission or ministry. 50% derivative, a considerable share to producing communities while we take care of spillage and degradation.

4. While I'm against carnage, I'm also against oppression.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:24am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:


Please, this your post is the worst. I am sure the militants will not agree with you because it elevates their situation from being stupid to crazy. Who breaks the doors and windows of his house to draw attention to his problems?
My Brother, people do take extreme measure to protest against injustice and oppression. Some do via hunger strike, setting self ablaze or destroying valuables. The Arab spring was sparked by someone setting self ablaze and that drew attention. Some have gone hunger strike and some have taken to carnage. Yes, they are extreme but it is about attention.

However, I belong to Isaac Boro school of thought with respect to ND agitation. It should never be taken advantage of by a few criminal businessmen nor those in search of compensation in the name of pipeline contracts and Amnesty. Hence, I long withdrew my support for carnage.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by ificatchmodeh: 8:25am On Oct 27, 2016
The op is not honest..na cunny man...
Na so dem don they use style dey blame naija delta for the environmental degradation.
While the steal the crude..and disrespect our traditional system.
Enriching their region and developing their region with the proceed from the degradation.

Op,
Your government believe that the delta regions are fools and illiterates..they made sure we stay down..and use few of our people to achieve that feat over the years..while the suck us..
What made them not to develop the naija delta or even delta and Rivers for the past 50years..yet they built Abuja, expanded lagos,kano,jigawa,e.t.c..
What's infrastructure has your government laid in Rivers for the past 30years..even the airport or seaport..what's happening to our wharfs..forget ship excuse..the whole delta has access to the ocean. why not develop it.

Now there is a conscious awaking in the delta of the vices used by you folks. To put us down..illiteracy is on the decline and people are beginning to ask questions..ideas are raised..actions taking..and you guys are getting scared..cos you..you the op knows the truth..
If not for the agitation will your government even accept the 13%..
Will your government accept amnesty?
Our state representative have their weakness..yes..but we know their limits.

Inasmuch I don't support militancy and. Destruction..if that will draw the attention of your government to their obligation..then let the land burn..
This is 21century..don't come here reasoning. Like the south is in the 18 century.


Meanwhile please don't give me our son story..being there and doing nothing..
Because I guess we all know nigeria oil politics and truth behind Jonathan's candidacy, presidency, and politics.

Is all set up..

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by Nobody: 8:28am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:


If you had asked first you would have had a point. I asked first, my question gets primacy for us to have a discussion.

Your answers will form the basis of our conversation.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by ImoRiver: 8:45am On Oct 27, 2016
izombie:
Op here is a question for you . how has not blowing pipelines and oil facilities for decades developed niger delta?

If not for militancy, the oil boom of 2006 to 2014 would have made much more positive impact on Niger Delta. Many companies relocated to Lagos instead of increasing their presence in Warri and Port Harcourt thereby moving wealth away from the source. Many roads and other developmental projects were abandoned for security reasons. What about the environmental degradation and high rate of school abandonment to join militancy?

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 9:03am On Oct 27, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

My Brother, people do take extreme measure to protest against injustice and oppression. Some do via hunger strike, setting self ablaze or destroying valuables. The Arab spring was sparked by someone setting self ablaze and that drew attention. Some have gone hunger strike and some have taken to carnage. Yes, they are extreme but it is about attention.

However, I belong to Isaac Boro school of thought with respect to ND agitation. It should never be taken advantage of by a few criminal businessmen nor those in search of compensation in the name of pipeline contracts and Amnesty. Hence, I long withdrew my support for carnage.


You mentioned the Arab spring, considering the fact that it led to the overthrow of several governments, one may argue that it has a degree of effectiveness.

I have not seen any such effect from militant activities in the NigerDelta.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 9:05am On Oct 27, 2016
ificatchmodeh:
The op is not honest..na cunny man...
Na so dem don they use style dey blame naija delta for the environmental degradation wey we dey suffer...
While the steal the crude..and disrespect our traditional system.
Enriching their region and developing their region with the proceed from the degradation.

Op,
Your government believe that the delta regions are fools and illiterates..they made sure we stay down..and use few of our people to achieve that feat over the years..while the suck us..
What made them not to develop the naija delta or even delta and Rivers for the past 50years..yet they built Abuja, expanded lagos,kano,jigawa,e.t.c..
What's infrastructure has your government laid in Rivers for the past 30years..even the airport or seaport..what's happening to our wharfs..forget ship excuse..the whole delta has access to the ocean. why not develop it.

Now there is a conscious awaking in the delta of the vices used by you folks. To put us down..illiteracy is on the decline and people are beginning to ask questions..ideas are raised..actions taking..and you guys are getting scared..cos you..you the op knows the truth..
If not for the agitation will your government even accept the 13%..
Will your government accept amnesty?
Our state representative have their weakness..yes..but we know their limits.

Inasmuch I don't support militancy and. Destruction..if that will draw the attention of your government to their obligation..then let the land burn..
This is 21century..don't come here reasoning. Like the south is in the 18 century.


Meanwhile please don't give me our son story..being there and doing nothing..
Because I guess we all know nigeria oil politics and truth behind Jonathan's candidacy, presidency, and politics.

Is all set up..

All this your explanation has not addressed the question.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by ificatchmodeh: 9:09am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:


All this your explanation has not addressed the question.


You're not honest...you're been clever with your question..
Believe me... we're smarter than that..
Enjoy!

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by gidgiddy: 9:12am On Oct 27, 2016
QuotaSystem:


[b]This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

Who dug the well is not as important as who owns the land on which it seats. Had the Niger Delta been a separate country, they could have easily invited anyb of the multi-national Oil companys to come and 'dig the well' for a negotiated percentage of the profits.

[2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

It was their land and resources long before there was anything called Nigeria. Just because military leaders from Lord Lugard to General Abacha came along and used one undemocratic decree or the other to deprive people control of their ancestral lands does not change this

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

They own it, it is their business what they do with it

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents. [/b]

It is actually the tragedy of trying to deprive people of what belongs to them

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by Bobandgreat: 9:18am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:


Please, this your post is the worst. I am sure the militants will not agree with you because it elevates their situation from being stupid to crazy. Who breaks the doors and windows of his house to draw attention to his problems?

Okay. Its now his house. I thought u said the house is owned by all. For the records, this is the dumbest simple question I have ever seen.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:22am On Oct 27, 2016
maclatunji:


You mentioned the Arab spring, considering the fact that it led to the overthrow of several governments, one may argue that it has a degree of effectiveness.

I have not seen any such effect from militant activities in the NigerDelta.
I think you aren't getting my point bro.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by policy12: 9:34am On Oct 27, 2016
Let wait here nd watch Wat a wailer, hater and zombies have to say.. .
Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 9:34am On Oct 27, 2016
Bobandgreat:


Okay. Its now his house. I thought u said the house is owned by all. For the records, this is the dumbest simple question I have ever seen.

Yet, you have no answer.
Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 9:35am On Oct 27, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

I think you aren't getting my point bro.

I simply discounted the irrelevant parts and addressed the part that is relevant to my question.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by ificatchmodeh: 9:35am On Oct 27, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

I think you aren't getting my point bro.

Tonye..free that man..

He's not real,he is been mischievous with his question.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 9:37am On Oct 27, 2016
ificatchmodeh:


You're not honest...you're been clever with your question..
Believe me... we're smarter than that..
Enjoy!

Too clever to answer a question? This is a new one.

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Re: How Do Crimes Like Blowing-Up Pipelines Develop The Niger Delta? by maclatunji: 9:39am On Oct 27, 2016
ificatchmodeh:


Tonye..free that man..

He's not real,he is been mischievous with his question.

People have been bombing pipelines since the days of Obasanjo as president.

It is a relevant question that NigerDelta people should really answer.

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