tglobal:


Thanks everyone of you, @TheGoodJoe, @TheSuperNerd, @AIG07. I appreciate it. Before today I thought the birthday wishes on nairaland came from friends who knew each other and initially wondered how terzurum5 knew my birthday till i figured out I must have given nairaland the information at some point. Thanks all and keep up the good work

joseph1013:
Please read more about the formation. I can show you articles upon articles about the formation.

Do you know that Pep used that formation to conquer Europe at Barcelona?

You can't be rigid and say you will stick to a formation when you have personnel to play another formation brilliantly. Football has passed that stage. Coaches regularly switch formations in games nowadays. From 4-3-3 to 3-4-3 to 4-1-4-1 to 3-5-2. You cannot be static and say an experienced coach like Rohr should not try new formation. You never know when you will need them.

TheGoodJoe:


Pep did not use the formation in his conquests. He used it in some games. The Back line of Barca was Abidal...Pique..Puyol.. Dani Alves. This was the main back line. Not 3-4-3. I think you should read more on it. The formation is actually difficult to pull off.

TheGoodJoe:


Pep did not use the formation in his conquests. He used it in some games. The Back line of Barca was Abidal...Pique..Puyol.. Dani Alves. This was the main back line. Not 3-4-3. I think you should read more on it. The formation is actually difficult to pull off.

joseph1013:
All you've proven is that you don't like the system. Or may be it's Conte you dislike.

Conte has been found out? Because he lost an EFL cup to a full-strength West Ham playing a second-string team? I guess Pep has been found out with his 4-5-1 formation, right? At least he also lost to United.

Conte is no amateur. His Juventus 3-5-2 team won titles upon titles. He's a brilliant tactician.

I think that formation would work for Nigeria. Moses is made for that formation. Chelsea's not lost a game since he started featuring. Nigeria just needs to not rush it if the coach wants it. Friendly matches can be used as guinea-pigs.

Most times, you don't know what will happen until you try. For a lot of years, no one thought a formation outside 4-4-2 could win trophies.

BascoVanVeli:


So why didn't u cry out about 4 at the back when liverpool trashed arsenal or just now when chelsea destroyed man u? This is football u win some u lose some, anything can happen.

joseph1013:
Please read more about the formation. I can show you articles upon articles about the formation.

Do you know that Pep used that formation to conquer Europe at Barcelona?

You can't be rigid and say you will stick to a formation when you have personnel to play another formation brilliantly. Football has passed that stage. Coaches regularly switch formations in games nowadays. From 4-3-3 to 3-4-3 to 4-1-4-1 to 3-5-2. You cannot be static and say an experienced coach like Rohr should not try new formation. You never know when you will need them.

Icon4s:


See, it is very normal for coaches to switch formations even in a single match. Football is dynamic as u rightly put it. A team can start up with a 4-5-1, switch to 4-4-2, switch to 4-3-3 & end up with 3-4-3 in a single game depending on the situation the team found itself during d game and what results it aims to achieve.

Nobody is saying 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 is not a good formation. There are so many factors to consider before a team adopts a particular formation for a particular game or competition.

Each of those formations have there advantages and also disadvantages. So many things are involved. They have their own risks elements. And several times u run ur cost and benefit anslysis for each.

IMO the formation with the least risk associated with it is the 4-5-1. MOST national teams in the world set-up their teams with this formation. A very balanced formation that can get u mass attack eg 4-1-4-1 or mass defence 4-4-1-1.U can also play with a crowded midfield eg 4-2-3-1. U can also easily switch to a 4-4-2 without making any substitution.

For a 3-4-3 formation u stand a risk of being over-run and demolished if ur opponents really capitalise on ur lack of RB & LB.

Clubs can afford to take more risks and perform more experiments than the national teams. Clubs spend more time together and usually have the quality of players to execute which ever formation they chose. Also Club competitions run every year and several competitions run concurrently in a year. So if u are out of one u still have others to take part in and then correct ur mistakes.

But for the national team? U dnt take any how risk. If u are out of a competition it will take u another 2 or 4 years to come back.

Let Conte and Pep be entertaining us with their 3-4-3. And let Rohr take us to Russia with his adopted 4-2-3-1.

Pls we are ok for now with that formation.

Icon4s:


That formation cannot work for an African Team.
We do not have both the time and tactical discipline to do such in the WC qualifiers that the team has barely 4-5 days to train together.

Club football is different from national team football. National teams that try such formation usually have most of their national team players playing in the same league and such it would be easier to build the Team Chemistry based on that formation.

A player like Victor Moses would keep to instruction at Chelsea but when he comes to Nigeria he would b playing to the gallery. Na that one u want make him play defense for u?

TheGoodJoe:


Pep did not use the formation in his conquests. He used it in some games. The Back line of Barca was Abidal...Pique..Puyol.. Dani Alves. This was the main back line. Not 3-4-3. I think you should read more on it. The formation is actually difficult to pull off.

joseph1013:
What I dont understand is the attack on 3-5-2. You have never used it but you are afraid of it. If you check enough forums, you will see some people afraid of 4-5-1. What I see here is just bias.

It's not just clubs that use 3-5-2 for goodness sake. National team use it. Conte used it with Italy. Bielsa used it with Argentina. Prandeli used it with Italy too. Chile has also used it.

I seriously don't know why there is such opposition to trying out different tactics. If we have friendlies or have an extended period for camping, why not? What is the harm in trying new things in low pressure games?

Or is this about Conte and the issue with Mikel?

joseph1013:


How many times have I said we should try them only in friendlies and low pressure games? Have I been singing to the choir?

Do Argentine players have most of their players playing in the same league when Bielsa used it with them? What about Chile?

Just say you don't like Moses. Saying Moses will not play to the instructions of the coach is below the belt. The players respect Rohr. And with the crop of players we have now, why are you under-estimating their technical and tactical ability to pull off all kinds of formations including 3-5-2 with enough training and devotion? It's not good that you are saying the same things that those white supremists say. Africans can do anything that people of other races can do. We are not inferior beings.

Icon4s:


What is my own with Conte and Mikel's case. Did you see me make any comment critisizing Conte for not fielding Mikel?

U mentioned countries that play that formation as Italy and Argentina. These are teams that have quality in abundance to execute which ever formation they chose. Their players also have the tactical discipline to adhere to the instructions that will back that kind of formation.

We are in Africa.

Conditions are not right here. Our players play in different leagues and under different coaches with different idealogies. AFRICAN PLAYERS GENERALLY LACK TACTICAL DISCIPLINE.
There may b little or no time to for the boys to train together to adjust to an unfamiliar formation.

A 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 formation requires a lot of running and movements from the Wing backs/LMF/RMF. For our kind of climate/weather the steam in those wing backs will die out after 60mins of the game and the wall of Jericho of that team will colapse U know what will follow.

joseph1013:
I see that you intentionally left Chile. Chile has always had more quality than all African teams, abi? African countries do not have the football brains to pull off what a country that didn't win any trophy for 99 years did during their dark years? Okay na. Continue.

African players are brain-dead with no ability to learn and switch formations.

Icon4s:

And let me also help u add Wales.

joseph1013:
I see that you intentionally left Chile. Chile has always had more quality than all African teams, abi? African countries do not have the football brains to pull off what a country that didn't win any trophy for 99 years did during their dark years? Okay na. Continue.

African players are brain-dead with no ability to learn and switch formations.

joseph1013:
I did. Please check the words you quoted.

Good that you mentioned Wales. Is Wales also better than all African teams? How come they can pull off formations that you think we can't?

Icon4s:


We dnt even need it in friendlies. We should instead use the friendlies to try natural LB and RB options.
4 defenders at the back is still the big deal.

And wait... i don't like Moses? Wow.

Icon4s:


Which African team is ranked as high as Wales?

joseph1013:
How come you like Moses but you say he wont listen to the instructions of coaches of African teams? I look at attitudes, not platitudes towards players to determine which players are favourites with some people here.

jotey:
the list is out



Goalkeppers
Carl Ikeme
Daniel Akpeyi
Dele Alampasu
Defenders
Elderson Echiejile
Brian Idowu
Tyrone Ebuehi *
Kenneth Omeruo
William Troost Ekong
Leon Balogun
Godfrey Obaboana/ Uche Agbo
Midfielders
Mikel Obi
Ogenyi Onazi
John Ogu
Shehu Abdullahi
Wilfred Ndidi
Forwards
Kelechi Iheanacho
Odion Ighalo
Brown Ideye
Alex Iwobi
Oghenekaro Etebo
Moses Simon
Isacc Success *
Victor Osimhen
Ahmed Musa
Victor Moses

joseph1013:
[So it's by ranking now? You believe based on FIFA ranking that Iran is superior to Algeria? [/b][/color]

TheSuperNerd:
Yaaaaaaaaayyyy!!!!!!!! Yiiiipppppeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
It's official!!! This thread and NL sports is among sites being strongly monitored.... I have always said that Dele Alampasu should be a better understudy and "somehow" e be like say Rohr got the message... Wow!!!

Still awaiting the confirmatory list shaa....

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REVEALED: Super Eagles 25 Man List For
Algeria Clash With Russian Born Nigerian Brain Idowu Included






Although the official list of players for Nigeria’s
second World Cup 2018 qualifiers tie is yet to be
released. Owngoalnigeria.com can exclusively
reveal the names of 25 players who have been
penciled down by manager Gernot Rohr for the
November 12 game in Uyo.


However Dutch-Nigerian Tyronne Ebuehi could
miss out as exclusively reported by
Owngoalnigeria.com as he is yet to be issued a
Nigerian passport. But Russian born Nigerian
Brian Idowu has no such problem and he is
included.


Gernot Rohr is yet to decide on who gets the back up central defence slot between Granada Uche Agbo and Rizespor Godfrey Obabaoana, a decision which could however be made before the end of the weekend.


John Ogu is in the squad at the expense of Nosa
Igiebor and Anderson Esiti with Wilfred Ndidi
abilities to play in midfield and defence also a
factor used in axing the aforementioned duo.


Doubts still persists about the availability of Isacc Success although he assured the manager during a meeting this week, that he will be available.

Oghenekaro Etebo is in the squad while teen
Super Star Victor Osimhen is in it as well.

Goalkeepers

Carl Ikeme

Daniel Akpeyi

Dele Alampasu

Defenders

Elderson Echiejile

Brian Idowu

Tyrone Ebuehi *

Kenneth Omeruo

William Troost Ekong

Leon Balogun

Godfrey Obaboana/ Uche Agbo

Midfielders

Mikel Obi

Ogenyi Onazi

John Ogu

Shehu Abdullahi

Wilfred Ndidi

Forwards

Kelechi Iheanacho

Odion Ighalo

Brown Ideye

Alex Iwobi

Oghenekaro Etebo

Moses Simon

Isacc Success *

Victor Osimhen

Ahmed Musa

Victor Moses


Note : The * indicates "not certain yet"


Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/10/29/revealed-super-eagles-25-man-list-for-algeria-clash-with-russian-born-nigerian-brain-idowu-included/

John Ogu vs Chad in Kaduna in June 2015

TheGoodJoe:


You are still preaching your three at the back gospel? Did you watch Chelsea against West Ham in the EFL Cup? By twenty minutes, the West Ham players laughed during their streams of attack.

They were allover Chelsea. They over crowded the wings and operated from the gaps at the defensive sides.

When Chelsea spread wide, they shifted the ball to the center and they were through many times.

Three at the back works with a well drilled defensive set-up.

When Mancini played three at the back, Richards said there were some positions the opponents took that he did not know who he was to mark.