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Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by shadeyinka(m): 1:30pm On Oct 28, 2016

raphieMontella:

bro..apes we have today are MODERN

Hi Raphie,
I know that they are modern. I just want to know their evolutionary progress.

Their fossils could not just have completely disappeared, could they?

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by mohemos: 1:46pm On Oct 28, 2016

Deicide:

Did you do Basic Biology In secondary school??

Yes I did basic Biology, but I was not taught all those things may be you can be my teacher.
Am a humble learner, go ahead and teach me.

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by Nobody: 1:52pm On Oct 28, 2016

Tallesty1:
This is pretty dumb bro. I am not arrogant and I haven't in anyway claimed to know better.

By continuously arguing against the work confirmed by every field of science in favour of your own views you are arrogant.

If you really expect me to accept the theory because many scientists do then I think you shouldn't be quoting me in the first place. It's just like telling atheist to believe in God because all religionists do.

Not all religions believe in a God, and they all have different concept of God, so which should I follow. You shouldn't accept the theory of evolution because scientist say so but you should stop arguing against something that has been proven again and again, evolution has been tested and tried for more that a century.

I stated things that make me doubt it, provide the explanation or stay calm.

And for your info, it's not every scientist that agree in evolution theory but the problem is that you folks automatically conclude that such scientists aren't real scientists.

Those that defend creationism have religious views and are biased it does not mean they are not real scientist. Even Religious scientist accept evolution

Something Like This.

Same way Christian belief that only Fools say there's no God so you ain't any better.
1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.

2) All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.

3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.

If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you’ve toppled my proof. All you need is one

Explain this to Perry Marshall and he will willing join the evolution crew.

First off by following your logic we come upon an infinite regress. If DNA as complex as it is, cannot come without an intelligent mind and hence must need a creator. Please Who created the creator, as the creator must be more intelligent than his creation(DNA). And then who created the creator's creator and again and again until infinity, an infinty that can only be broken when you accept that something in that circle must have come existed, without being created and if it can exist without being created, so can DNA.

But taking your question at face value and without much deep logic, I want you to examine several pictures.

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[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCo9tlkxF4cBYy22YTs5J6Vc_yAL8SzoInU2rcXmiqwfjWG1O9ofIhTb6_[/img]

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSg8IpEba10wjimHIjMylSuQxWhwlB8pxnXrnNm6Njgq8GGbtlJh3szc2Kk[/img]

As beautiful and complex as they seem those snow flakes are made without any guiding hand. Non whatsoever. I doubt you can make such intricate shapes out if thin ice, but these occur naturally and ironically they start from much simpler beginnings to such complex states, evolutionist propose the same about life. DNA coding is a natural process and is not proof of an intelligent mind. Ponder in those points

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Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by Deicide: 1:55pm On Oct 28, 2016

mohemos:

Yes I did basic Biology, but I was not taught all those things may be you can be my teacher.
Am a humble learner, go ahead and teach me.

In the Age of Information (internet) ignorance is a choice! if you don't have basic knowledge on this things why didn't you learn them first and then pose out ur questions?

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by Nobody: 1:58pm On Oct 28, 2016

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by mohemos: 2:05pm On Oct 28, 2016

Deicide:

In the Age of Information (internet) ignorance is a choice! if you don't have basic knowledge on this things why didn't you learn them first and then pose out ur questions?

Don't tell me you're running away from answering my questions!

I know the trick you're about using, When a teacher cannot answer a question he turns it into assignment! I've also been to that school! Harharharharhar grin

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by raphieMontella: 2:57pm On Oct 28, 2016

shadeyinka:

Hi Raphie,

twale boss

I know that they are modern. I just want to know their evolutionary progress.

Their fossils could not just have completely disappeared, could they?

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Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by raphieMontella: 3:02pm On Oct 28, 2016

Shadeyinka... Here's the phylogenetic tree of primates/apes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_primates and a list of other fossils in their evolutionary journey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fossil_primates

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Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by ValentineMary(m): 9:16pm On Oct 28, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
Lennycool, ValentineMary et al

food don land o!

I guess other atheist have done justice here.
Before people should come and critisize a topic, they should first have knowledge of it.

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by shadeyinka(m): 7:38am On Oct 29, 2016

raphieMontella:
Shadeyinka...
Here's the phylogenetic tree of primates/apes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_primates
and a list of other fossils in their evolutionary journey
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fossil_primates

I read most of your links, unfortunately its not convincing. Its like reconstructing a car from one headlight and a steering wheel.

The gap to be filled up is so wide that imaginations based on prejudices win the day.

Could the fossils not just be from extinct ape forms? Why link it to evolutionary phrases with NO evidence?!

You accuse theists of providing no evidence for God!

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by Nobody: 8:07am On Oct 29, 2016

shadeyinka:

I read most of your links, unfortunately its not convincing. Its like reconstructing a car from one headlight and a steering wheel.

The gap to be filled up is so wide that imaginations based on prejudices win the day.

Could the fossils not just be from extinct ape forms? Why link it to evolutionary phrases with NO evidence?!

You accuse theists of providing no evidence for God!

Fossils are not the strongest evidence for evolution. Remember

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by wirinet(m): 9:02am On Oct 29, 2016

You do not believe evolution, evolution is not like religion that relies on faith and believe, you understand evolution. You study various fields that explains evolution and come to an understanding and conclusion.
Obviously your diagram and question shows you have no clue of what evolution is. You and other fellow christians believe evolution is a kind of metamorphosis. You interpret the diagram as depicting a monkey metaphosizing into a human.
The first monkey like figure in your diagram does not depict modern monkey, but our ape-like common ancestor. And for your education, there are no millions of our ape-like common ancestor on the planet today, they have been extinct for millions of years. The only living specie in your diagram is the last figure (Homo Sapiens).

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Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by wirinet(m): 9:05am On Oct 29, 2016

Lennycool:

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZSqkbrfevOh245B9FlMF3u-NZz3g63J3Wz8hsgcE4_kn6nvirRY8eOXKB[/img]

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTc_9sd56ucUH7OFREUrYPzfZ0DIcYkSseljg_ztOxo_4p1o2AmyI4vkg[/img]

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCo9tlkxF4cBYy22YTs5J6Vc_yAL8SzoInU2rcXmiqwfjWG1O9ofIhTb6_[/img]

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSg8IpEba10wjimHIjMylSuQxWhwlB8pxnXrnNm6Njgq8GGbtlJh3szc2Kk[/img]

As beautiful and complex as they seem those snow flakes are made without any guiding hand. Non whatsoever. I doubt you can make such intricate shapes out if thin ice, but these occur naturally and ironically they start from much simpler beginnings to such complex states, evolutionist propose the same about life. DNA coding is a natural process and is not proof of an intelligent mind. Ponder in those points

I love the use of ice crystals to demostate the ability of "complex designs" occuring naturally without the need of an intelligent designer. If ice consisting of only water molecules can form millions or even billions of patterns with the aid of only natural forces, what about the number of patterns that can be made with mainly carbon atoms and simple molecules. What is the probability of just one pattern arrangement capable of self duplication (life)

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Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by jonbellion(m): 9:27am On Oct 29, 2016

mohemos:

umm the picture is wrong. You are assuming evolution is linear. It is more branch like. We have a common ancestor with monkeys we didn't evolve from them directly

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by Nobody: 9:36am On Oct 29, 2016

wirinet:

I love the use of ice crystals to demostate the ability of "complex designs" occuring naturally without the need of an intelligent designer. If ice consisting of only water molecules can form millions or even billions of patterns with the aid of only natural forces, what about the number of patterns that can be made with mainly carbon atoms and simple molecules. What is the probability of just one pattern arrangement capable of self duplication (life)

Thank you. Did you see all the pictures? They looked so complex. I couldn't even believe they were not artificial at first. Even I was skeptical that such complexities could be reproduced in nature, especially from something as chaotic as falling snow.
Intelligence is not needed for complexity

Re: I'll Believe In Evolution Theory Only If Someone Can Explain This To Me by shadeyinka(m): 1:04pm On Oct 29, 2016

wirinet:

I love the use of ice crystals to demostate the ability of "complex designs" occuring naturally without the need of an intelligent designer. If ice consisting of only water molecules can form millions or even billions of patterns with the aid of only natural forces, what about the number of patterns that can be made with mainly carbon atoms and simple molecules. What is the probability of just one pattern arrangement capable of self duplication (life)

Complex by visual perception how about in functionality. What is/are the functions of fractals apart from being beautiful art works!?

The basic science behind the snow crystal is just polar molecules.

Evolution can only cease being educated speculations when consciousness can be chemically imposed on molecules.

Lennycool:

Thank you. Did you see all the pictures? They looked so complex. I couldn't even believe they were not artificial at first. Even I was skeptical that such complexities could be reproduced in nature, especially from something as chaotic as falling snow.
Intelligence is not needed for complexity

The cloud look complex, falls, the ocean, mountains. Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. The key of determining complexity isn't about beauty, its about functionality!

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