Iblawi1:
It's November already can't wait to know how many JF17 thunder is coming and what specification.

patches689:


.... We are they way we are because we are focusing on development, you know... Butter not Guns.

FYI, we spend more on education than the combined GDP of Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe.

Lets also not ignore the role we are playing in the Great Lakes Region.

14:


To make it simpler to him, SA spend $30bn on education every year, which is bigger than the entire nigerian budget. That money alone, south africa only spend it on education.

tdayof:
Since details will be out around Nov, then the JF17 won't be around this year right?

14:


To make it simpler to him, SA spend $30bn on education every year, which is bigger than the entire nigerian budget. That money alone, south africa only spend it on education.

tdayof:
Since details will be out around Nov, then the JF17 won't be around this year right?

tdayof:
That is the issue. The Nigerian army should buy the MRAP and the NAF should get an AWACS. The AWACS will perform the work of ATR too so I do not see how that is a waste of money.

tdayof:
That is the issue. The Nigerian army should buy the MRAP and the NAF should get an AWACS. The AWACS will perform the work of ATR too so I do not see how that is a waste of money.

africaken254:
i have a question i need to ask south africans,follow me to that thread

M14A1:

Nigeria cannot afford such luxury in the form of AWACS,
Like someone rightly said, there are more discomforting issues plaguing the Nigerian military.

The airforce needs troop transport and gunships not AWACS

africaken254:
that the problem with south africa ! your ambition does go farther than your neighbouring countries or sub-Sahara countries.that why i know for sure that south african isn't the future of sub sahara countries,we need a truly progressive sub sahara country to be our leader

Henry240:
Nigerian Army Infantry training

Henry240:


LOL.... South-Africans. Ignorance seems to be a favourite past-time for you lot.

Iblawi1:

Congrats, more than Nigerian budget after several devaluation of the Naira.

Besides the fact that you have it on budget doesn't mean you spend it.

South African military budget is over $4 billion but nothing is moving still in you military of less than 40,000 army.
Conclusion, budgeting is different from actually amount spent.

lionel4power:
It baffles me how self acclaimed military tech experts undermine the value of an AEW&C

*an AEW&C CAN extend the radar range of ground based local radars.

* it can be use for secure communications

*it can be used to bounce signal from one point to another thereby extending comms range.

* it can be used to gather intel from neighboring countries

* its A CRUCIAL ASSET IN THE FIGHT AGAINST PIRATES

* IT CAN COORDINATE SEARCH AND RESCUE

* It CAN ORGANIZE (ANY) AIRBORNE OPERATIONS

*It has IFF to interrogate any rogue flight

*most comes with ELECTRONIC SUPPORT MEASURE SUITE THAT MEANS IT CAN SUPPORT JAMMING.

*it has inherent datalink

* it can extend the reach of secure comms by signal bouncing

* it has ELINT/ECM INBUILT AUTOMATICALLY

* IT HAS GROUND SURVEILLANCE MODE

* IT HAS SEA MODE FOR DETECTING SHIPS



ITS A MULTI MISSION PLATFORM IN ALL SENSE OF THE WORD.

JUST TWO WILL BOOST THE NIGERIAN MILITARY CAPABILITY 10 FOLD.

SINCR ITS MODULAR WE CAM EASILY INTEGRATE IT WITH OUR ATRs

Iblawi1:

Congrats, more than Nigerian budget after several devaluation of the Naira.

Besides the fact that you have it on budget doesn't mean you spend it.

South African military budget is over $4 billion but nothing is moving still in you military of less than 40,000 army.
Conclusion, budgeting is different from actually amount spent.

ActivateKruger:


Even before the evaluation of the Naira. The South African government had 3 times the budget of the Nigerian federal government. So that roughly translates to 9 times the amount the SA government spends per capita in comparison to Nigeria.

So the Defence budget is $4 billion (which is too small) but remember that we have hundreds of IFVs and hundreds of IPCs to maintain, more helicopters than any SSA military. We have frigates and subs which are not really poor-man's toys, military facilities, and very skilled personnel in especially in Military Health, Engineering (army, airforce and naval) and management.... So don't expect weapons acquisition at that little budget, it's already used up.

patches689:


Uhh... this year alone:

Projects Guardian/Protector/Outcome (The South African Army’s Air Defence Artillery Formation)

Phase one (Project Guardian) saw the Army receive the Starstreak short range air defence missile system in 2014 to complement its 23 and 35 mm guns, and received upgraded ESR 220 Thutlwa mobile battery fire control posts, which provide 120 km range radar coverage. The next phase (Protector) is seeing the upgrade of the Oerlikon 35 mm cannons to Mk VII standard with the Skyshield fire control system in collaboration with Rheinmetall Air Defence. Currently work is focused on integrating new radios (Project Radiate) and communications systems and other improvements. The next phase (Outcome) is underway to integrate the Umkhonto missile system into GBADS.

Project Radiate

All four branches of the South African National Defence Force are receiving new digital tactical communications equipment for complete interoperability between services under Project Radiate. Initial production orders for the complete system were placed with Reutech in the 2014/15 financial year and the first production equipment was due for delivery in the first quarter of 2016. Various components include HF, V/UHF, short range and intra platform communication systems.

Project Hoefyster

To partially replace the Ratel fleet, Project Hoefyster will see the South African army take delivery of 242 Badger infantry fighting vehicles in a number of different variants over the next decade.

Project Sapula

SANDF is refurbishing its existing fleets of MRAP's and Soft Skinned transports.

Project Pantile

The South African Army is replacing some of its ageing engineer earthmoving and construction equipment under this project. New vehicles are due for delivery in 2016.

Project Bandsman

This project is for new fire trucks for the South African Air Force. Phase one saw existing vehicles upgraded and new vehicles acquired under phase two.

Project Pirate

This is for the acquisition of a new generation hand-held mine detector. Some contracts have been awarded to Med-Eng and other companies.

Project Teamster

Project Teamster is to replace the mobile field kitchen capability of the SANDF, with field kitchens to enter service by 2017/18. Gas-fired stoves are being replaced by diesel fired units. OTT Solutions and Desert Wolf were awarded the first phase of Teamster, for 15 person field cooking units, in early 2016.

Project Blesbok

This is for new water purification systems, which should be commissioned in 2019. Blesbok and Teamster are believed to be part of Project Swatch, the development and acquisition of mobile camping systems.

Project Assegaai

The South African Air Force is getting the Denel Dynamics A-Darter fifth generation air-to-air missile under Project Assegaai, which will replace the interim Diehl Defence IRIS-T short range missile. An order for the 20 kilometre range A-Darter was placed in March 2015, with deliveries of operational missiles scheduled for 2017. Both South African Gripens and Hawk Mk 120s are being fitted with the missile while Brazil, which is a partner in development, may also acquire the weapon for its Gripen E/Fs.

Project Chutney

This project aims to replace some mobile and fixed air defence radars operated by the South Africa Air Force. Additional funding has been allocated for this in the 2018/19 financial year.

Project Drummer

The fleet of 39 surviving Denel Aviation Oryx transport helicopters this year concluded a mid-life upgrade initiated in 2006 under Project Drummer to keep them flying until the 2020s. This involved upgrading things like avionics and communications, amongst others.

Project Syne

The Navy’s four Meko A200 Valour class frigates will receive a mid-life upgrade under Project Syne from 2017-18. Work will take place over a decade to extend the vessels’ service lives beyond 2035.

Project Hotel

The hydrographic survey vessel SAS Protea will be replaced by 2019/20 under Project Hotel. Tender submissions closed in June 2015 and are being evaluated by Armscor. In addition to the hydrographic vessel, the successful bidder will also supply two inshore survey motorboats and a sea boat.

Project Biro

Three inshore and three offshore patrol vessels will be acquired by 2024/25 under Project Biro for an estimated cost of around R6 billion. The new naval platforms will be built in a South African shipyard with 60% local content required. Armscor is currently evaluating tenders for Biro (which closed in September 2015).

Project Canter

Two existing tugs (De Nuys, built in 1969 and De Mist, built in 1978) were replaced with two new ATD 2909 tugs built by Damen Shipyards Cape Town under Project Canter. They were formally accepted into service in April 2016.

Project Carol

A variety of small boats are being acquired for the South African Navy under this project, including boarding boats, diving boats, riverine patrol boats, ship sea boats, ferries, sailing dinghies, an ocean racing yacht and associated trailers. Five boarding craft were recently delivered, in December 2015, by Nautic Africa.

Project ?

The Department of Defence expects to replace the Navy’s heavyweight torpedo capability by 2022/23. It is believed the new torpedoes will be the Atlas DM2A4 Seehecht, which will replace the existing AEG SUT 264s, which were only intended as an interim weapon.

Project Itambo?

Project Itambo was under consideration by the South African Air Force to acquire a medium altitude, long endurance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). Defence Intelligence is the launch customer for the Seeker 400 UAV from Denel Dynamics, having taken delivery of their systems in 2015. It appears the South African Air Force is now attempting to acquire its own Seeker 400s and is re-establishing 10 Squadron, which used to fly UAVs.

Project ?

The SA Military Health Service (SAMHS) received 20 ambulances in the 2014/15 financial year primarily for border safeguarding operations. Another 36 were due for delivery in the 2015/16 financial year.


Completed projects

Some projects that have been completed over the last decade or so include: African Warrior (upgrading R4 assault rifles); Acrobat (long range 60 mm mortars); Ambition (Gecko vehicles); Arum Lily (Rooikat upgrade); Bioskoop (radar/battery command post upgrade); Cytoon (battlefield surveillance equipment); Jury (Mamba upgrade); Kingfisher (Milan missiles); Klooster (artillery target engagement system); Pigeon (SS-77 upgrade); Ebb (C-130 upgrade); Koiler (intelligence/reconnaissance system for Cessna Caravans); and Ambition (Hornet rapid deployment vehicles for the Special Forces).

Yeah, maybe spend 30 sec on google next time

bantudra:


i dont understand south-africans...

why didnt they throw the whites out after apartheid..
(nigeria would have throw them out ghana must go style)

why did they accepted homosexual
(they automaticaly alienated themselves from the rest of black-africa with that move) ..

Iblawi1:


Am asking for yearly progress and you are giving us plans of your military from 2006- 2023 or more. This is still a budget or plan not what was executed. Believe me, we can list more even though our budget is not as large as you claim.

We all know south Africans have not finished paying for frigates and submarine you bought with loan.

jln115:

[img]Because we aren't backwards like the rest of Africa[/img]

M14A1:

Nigeria cannot afford such luxury in the form of AWACS,
Like someone rightly said, there are more discomforting issues plaguing the Nigerian military.

The airforce needs troop transport and gunships not AWACS