1- Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main qualification. This alone is enough to prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the verse says ONLY the Father meaning nobody else, including the divine Jesus.
2- Jesus never said I am God.
Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you make a claim on someone, then you would expect that someone to back your claim up. If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God:
Gen 35:11 And God said unto him , I [am] God Almighty : be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins
Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am]
God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into
Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:
Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am ] the LORD your God .
Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy
God , which have brought thee out of the land of
Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I [am ] God , [even] thy
God .
Psa 81:10 I [am ] the LORD thy
God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am ] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God :
I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I , the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
Isa 45:5 I [am ] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old : for I [am] God , and [there is] none else ; [I am] God , and [there is] none like me,
Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my
sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I [am ] the Lord GOD .
So as we can see, God is not shy to say I am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? This is not a coincidence.
3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man:
The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is the son of man:
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears:
for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
The Old Testament tells us not to put our trust in the son of man:
Psalms 146:
1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help .
So note, Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man; therefore we cannot place our trust in Jesus so he cannot be God. The OT is basically saying that you shouldn’t put your trust in men as you do with God, so hence we cannot put our trust in Jesus in the same way we do with God since Jesus is just a man, and he cannot really save us. So hence Jesus cannot be God.
1- Jesus is the son of man
2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man
3- We cannot put our trust in Jesus as we do with God
4- Jesus is not God
The OT also tells us that there is no help in the son of man, therefore this means Jesus cannot help anybody, therefore
he is not God since God can help all. So we cannot place our trust in Jesus, nor can he help us, therefore he cannot be God according to the OT.
4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it.
As we all know, God is all-powerful and is independent, he needs no help from anybody. However so this is not the case with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help from God, unlike God, Jesus does not own any power or any authority, rather it is given to him from God.
Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me ; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee . 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me ; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me
So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his
own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself ; but the Father which
sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say , and what I should speak.
Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not
keepeth not my sayings : and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
So everything Jesus had was from God, from the Gospel to his miracles. God needs no one to give him power, God needs no one to tell him what to do,
therefore Jesus is not God.
I challenge any Christian to bring me one single miracle Jesus performed on his own, just one. The Christian will never be able to meet this challenge.

5- Jesus was sent to a specific nation only, not to mankind
It is very strange that when we read the Bible, we find that Jesus was sent to preach to a specific nation only, not mankind. One would expect to find Jesus being sent to all of mankind if he was God, rather what we find is that Jesus just like all the other prophets, was sent to a specific nation only:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
So as we see, Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel. His main duty was for them, not the gentiles or the world. Christians often like to say Jesus told his disciples to go preach to the gentiles, however so this doesn’t change anything. Jesus’ real mission as we see was for the children of Israel, not the gentiles, the verse I posted cannot be refuted. The verse is very clear, Jesus is SENT for the lost sheep of Israel, not the Gentiles, Jesus saying go preach to Gentiles does not mean he was sent for gentiles.
5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good.
If Jesus is God one would expect him to admit he is good in the sense that God is good, meaning perfect. However when we read the Bible we see that Jesus denies being good in the sense that God is good which is perfect. Here are the passages:
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good ? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
So note, the man calls Jesus good, Jesus tells the man there is non good but God. Obviously Jesus referred to God as someone else, which also proves Jesus isn’t God. However the main importance of the passages is that Jesus denies being Good in the way God is good, which is to be perfect.
6- Jesus could not save anyone
The Bible also claims that Jesus cannot save anyone! Here is the passage:
Hebrews 5:1-8: 1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man
taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made
an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he
saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death , and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered

So Jesus cried to the one who could save him from death, this means Jesus could not save himself from death, therefore this also means Jesus cannot save anyone else from death. How can Jesus be God when he cannot save anyone? This also shows that Jesus is not in control of life and death, God however is in control of everything, including life and death:
And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit,
and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life . S. 25:3 Shakir
This verse is from the Noble
Quran, I guess this sums it all up doesn’t it?
7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither
One of the greatest Christian myths is that Jesus’ followers believed he was God. However so, this is not true, the Bible says otherwise:
Matthew
Chapter 16
13-14
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets
So as we can see, the believers out of the population did not take Jesus as God, they took him for a great man, such as John the Baptist, or Elias, or some others. None of them said he is God. Now let us read on and see what his own disciples took him for:
15-20
15 He saith unto them, But
whom say ye that I am? 16
And Simon Peter answered and said , Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee,
That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20
Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
So note, now Jesus asks his disciples about what they take him to be for, they respond by saying he is the SON OF GOD, Jesus agrees with them and tells them tell no man I am the Christ. So note, Jesus’ disciples do not say you are God, Jesus himself does not say he is God.
Now both the son of God and the term Christ do not mean God. They never have, and never will. The term Christ means Messiah, the definition of Messiah is not God, and the Jews who were awaiting their Messiah did not believe the Messiah would be God:
The predominant Jewish understanding of moshiach ("the messiah" is based on the writings of Maimonides , (the
Rambam ). His views on the messiah are discussed in his
Mishneh Torah, his 14 volume compendium of Jewish law , in the section Hilkhot Melakhim Umilchamoteihem, chapter 11. Maimonides writes:
"The anointed King ("HaMelekh HaMoshiach" is destined to stand up and restore the Davidic Kingdom to its antiquity, to the first sovereignty. He will build the Temple in Jerusalem and gather the strayed ones of Israel together. All laws will return in his days as they were before: Sacrificial offerings are offered and the Sabbatical years and Jubilees are kept, according to all its precepts that are mentioned in the Torah. Whoever does not believe in him, or whoever does not wait for his coming, not only does he defy the other prophets, but also the Torah and our Rabbi Moses. For the Torah testifies about him, thus: "And the Lord Your God will return your returned ones and will show you mercy and will return and gather you... If your strayed one shall be at the edge of Heaven... And He shall bring you" etc." (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
"These words that are explicitly stated in the Torah, encompass and include all the words spoken by all the prophets. In the section of Torah referring to Bala'am , too, it is stated, and there he prophesied about the two anointed ones: The first anointed one is David, who saved Israel from all their oppressors; and the last anointed one will stand up from among his descendants and saves Israel in the end. This is what he says (Numbers 24:17-18): "I see him but not now" - this is David; "I behold him but not near" - this is the Anointed King. "A star has shot forth from Jacob" - this is David; "And a brand will rise up from Israel" - this is the Anointed King. "And he will smash the edges of
Moab" - This is David, as it states: "...And he struck Moab and measured them by rope" (II Samuel 8:2); "And he will uproot all Children of Seth" - this is the Anointed King, of whom it is stated: "And his reign shall be from sea to sea" (Zechariah 9:10). "And Edom shall be possessed" - this is David, thus: "And Edom became David's as slaves etc." (II Samuel 8:6); "And Se'ir shall be possessed by its enemy" - this is the Anointed King, thus: "And saviors shall go up Mount Zion to judge Mount Esau, and the Kingdom shall be the Lord's" (Obadiah 1:21)."
"And by the Towns of Refuge it states: "And if the Lord your God will widen up your territory... you shall add on for you another three towns" etc. (Deuteronomy 19:8-9). Now this thing never happened; and the Holy One does not command in vain. But as for the words of the prophets, this matter needs no proof, as all their books are full with this issue."
"Do not imagine that the anointed King must perform miracles and signs and create new things in the world or resurrect the dead and so on. The matter is not so: For Rabbi Akiba was a great scholar of the sages of the Mishnah, and he was the assistant-warrior of the king
Ben Coziba , and claimed that he was the anointed king. He and all the Sages of his generation deemed him the anointed king, until he was killed by sins; only since he was killed, they knew that he was not. The Sages asked him neither a miracle nor a sign..."
"And if a king shall stand up from among the House of David, studying Torah and indulging in commandments like his father David, according to the written and oral Torah, and he will coerce all Israel to follow it and to strengthen its weak points, and will fight Hashem's wars, this one is to be treated as if he were the anointed one. If he succeeded {and won all nations surrounding him. Old prints and mss.} and built a Holy Temple in its proper place and gathered the strayed ones of Israel together, this is indeed the anointed one for certain, and he will mend the entire world to worship the Lord together, as it is stated: "For then I shall turn for the nations a clear tongue, to call all in the Name of the Lord and to worship Him with one shoulder" (Zephaniah 3:9)."
"But if he did not succeed until now, or if he was killed, it becomes known that he is not this one of whom the Torah had promised us, and he is indeed like all proper and wholesome kings of the House of David who died. The Holy One, Blessed Be He, only set him up to try the public by him, thus: "And from the seekers of wisdom there shall stumble, to purify among them and to clarify and to brighten until the time of the ending, for there is yet to the set time" (Daniel 11:35)."
Taken from http://www.aish.com/tishabav/tishabavdefault/The_Messiah_in_Judaism.asp
In Judaism, who is the Messiah?

The messiah is a G-d fearing, pious Jew, who is both a great Torah scholar and a great leader as well. He is a direct descendent of King David, and will be anointed as the new Jewish King. (In fact, the Hebrew word for messiah - "Moshiach" - means "anointed one.".
When the messiah comes, there will be a universal recognition of the truth of Torah and the G-d Who gave that Torah at Mount Sinai. All Jews will return to the
Land of Israel, where they will throw off the yoke of their enemies and undergo a complete spiritual revival. They will embrace the faith of their forefathers and dedicate themselves to G-d's service forever.
They will re-build the Holy
Temple, from where the Divine presence will shine forth, spreading the light of truth, justice, tolerance and peace throughout the world.
Taken from http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm
The Moshiach
The moshiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The
moshiach is often referred to as "moshiach ben David" (moshiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments. (Isaiah 11:2-5) He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god,
demi-god or other supernatural being.
It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the moshiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the moshiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the
moshiach, then that person is not the moshiach.
For a more detailed discussion on the terms Son of God, and Christ. Visit this link:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/followers_of_yeshua.htm
8- Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped?
One glaring problem the Christians have is that Jesus prayed, and had a God himself. This logically lets us conclude that Jesus cannot be God. The logical thing to do is worship and pray to the one Jesus prayed to. If Jesus told you that he had a God, would you honestly take Jesus as God? The logical answer is no, but Christians throw all logic out when it comes to their Bible.
Matthew 26:36-44
36. Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called
Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."
37. He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38. Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39. Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will. "
40. Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.
41. "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42. He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43. When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy.
44. So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING.
So are you going worship the one Jesus prayed to? Or are you going to worship Jesus? Logically you worship the one Jesus prayed to.
Secondly just say you were alive at Jesus’ time and you were with him, and you knew he prayed to God and so on, would you honestly believe he is God? Off course not! It gets worse as Jesus himself claims he has a God:
John 20:16-18 :
16 Jesus saith unto her,
Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Now tell me, if a man came to you and told you he has a God, would you honestly believe that man is God? No, you would not. Logic tells you if a man has a God then that man is not God, however Christians through logic at the window it seems, Christians want to worship Jesus, not the one Jesus worshiped. Christians want Jesus to be their God; they do not want Jesus’ God to be their God. What a shame.
So Jesus prays and has a God, how un-Godly is that?
9- God comes out of a woman? God is a helpless baby?
The very fact that Jesus was given birth, and came out as little helpless small baby is enough to refute the claim that Jesus is God. It is utter blasphemy to claim that God came out of a women like all people, it is utter blasphemy to claim God came out crying and screaming and being helpless and weak. Such nonsense is insulting to God; this itself is enough to prove Jesus is not God. How can you claim that God came out of a woman? Are you mad? Are you insane? How can you insult God in such a manner, you Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for ascribing such rubbish to God.

A TRUE CHRISTIAN WONT ARGUE WITH YOU, ALL WE CAN DO IS WAIT TILL JUDGEMENT DAY, FOR ARGUMENT OR GAINING POINTS ON NAIRALAND WONT HELP US TO ENTER HEAVEN,...... sO Bro continue with your theories.... Economy has not changed by them.... Even Jesus in heaven is not moved by them... at the end of ALL things... IT IS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW OR CAN PROVE BUT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH YOUR LIFE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITH THE SHORT TIME WE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN THAT WILL DETERMINE WHERE WE WILL BE.. EITHER HEAVEN OR HELL.

SO I SAY... CONTINUE.

madjnr:
1- Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main qualification. This alone is enough to prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the verse says ONLY the Father meaning nobody else, including the divine Jesus.
2- Jesus never said I am God.
Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you make a claim on someone, then you would expect that someone to back your claim up. If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God:
Gen 35:11 And God said unto him , I [am] God Almighty : be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins
Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am]
God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into
Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:
Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am ] the LORD your God .
Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy
God , which have brought thee out of the land of
Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I [am ] God , [even] thy
God .
Psa 81:10 I [am ] the LORD thy
God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am ] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God :
I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I , the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
Isa 45:5 I [am ] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old : for I [am] God , and [there is] none else ; [I am] God , and [there is] none like me,
Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my
sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I [am ] the Lord GOD .
So as we can see, God is not shy to say I am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? This is not a coincidence.
3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man:
The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is the son of man:
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears:
for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
The Old Testament tells us not to put our trust in the son of man:
Psalms 146:
1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help .
So note, Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man; therefore we cannot place our trust in Jesus so he cannot be God. The OT is basically saying that you shouldn’t put your trust in men as you do with God, so hence we cannot put our trust in Jesus in the same way we do with God since Jesus is just a man, and he cannot really save us. So hence Jesus cannot be God.
1- Jesus is the son of man
2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man
3- We cannot put our trust in Jesus as we do with God
4- Jesus is not God
The OT also tells us that there is no help in the son of man, therefore this means Jesus cannot help anybody, therefore
he is not God since God can help all. So we cannot place our trust in Jesus, nor can he help us, therefore he cannot be God according to the OT.
4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it.
As we all know, God is all-powerful and is independent, he needs no help from anybody. However so this is not the case with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help from God, unlike God, Jesus does not own any power or any authority, rather it is given to him from God.
Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me ; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee . 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me ; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me
So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his
own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself ; but the Father which
sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say , and what I should speak.
Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not
keepeth not my sayings : and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
So everything Jesus had was from God, from the Gospel to his miracles. God needs no one to give him power, God needs no one to tell him what to do,
therefore Jesus is not God.
I challenge any Christian to bring me one single miracle Jesus performed on his own, just one. The Christian will never be able to meet this challenge.

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1. Jesus proclaimed Himself "I AM." That is GOD's Name.

2. Jesus forgave sins. Only GOD can forgive sin. Isa. 43:25

3. Jesus is self-existent(Jn. 1:1-4; Jn. 14:6). Only GOD is self-existent(Psa. 90:2)

4. Jesus is eternal. Rev. 1:8; Micah 5:2; Heb. 7:3

5. The Father calls Jesus GOD. Heb. 1:8

^^^^Op,how come you didn't see the above from your 'BIG BIG' research?


Jesus is Lord.......that will not change.

I'll read this non-stop for 3days, before i could complete it.

DoctorAlien:
1. Jesus proclaimed Himself "I AM." That is GOD's Name.

2. Jesus forgave sins. Only GOD can forgive sin. Isa. 43:25

3. Jesus is self-existent(Jn. 1:1-4; Jn. 14:6). Only GOD is self-existent(Psa. 90:2)

4. Jesus is eternal. Rev. 1:8; Micah 5:2; Heb. 7:3

5. The Father calls Jesus GOD. Heb. 1:8

if Jesus declared to be the Yahweh Almighty (I am What I am) in Exodus 3, then he would not have hid himself and slipped away! Use your heads, O Christians, and think about this:
1- Examine what Yahweh Almighty did when He Declared Himself to be "I am What I am". What did He do? He Revealed His Majesty, Glory and Power! I could only imagine Moses could hardly stand on his feet from the overwhelming fear that he experienced!
2- Jesus, when he supposedly declared The Ultimate and Final Statement about himself being the "I am", what did he do? He hid himself and ran away from the beating. This is what he did after he willingly decided to declare his Ultimate and Final Statement about his being and supposed deity. Do you still fail to see the overwhelming inconsistency here?
3- Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in Greek . Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was
in Hebrew. The two languages are not only far too different from each others, but the two statements are also not the same.
"I am" is not the same as "I am What I am".

This post above me commits a logical fallacy called "appeal to ridicule" in the sense that it submits that Jesus hid away from the crowd because He had no power(which is an assumption) to destroy them, and therefore He could not have been the Almighty.

Considering the fact that the Jews find it offensive whenever a man claims GOD's Name, why then did they want to beat Jesus?

Thomas after seeing the mark of the nails said....My Lord and my God.... Jesus did not correct him.....

Jesus said.....know ye not that ye are god's?...
The disciples fell down and worshiped him.he did not correct them...if I am a God with small letter g he is a God

Jesus said.... before Abraham,i was...
He is my Lord and my God.... that's your opinion

look at them bickering, you are not even sure of ur religion. Anyways, John 3-16 should solve the argument

greatnaija01:
A TRUE CHRISTIAN WONT ARGUE WITH YOU, ALL WE CAN DO IS WAIT TILL JUDGEMENT DAY, FOR ARGUMENT OR GAINING POINTS ON NAIRALAND WONT HELP US TO ENTER HEAVEN,...... sO Bro continue with your theories.... Economy has not changed by them.... Even Jesus in heaven is not moved by them... at the end of ALL things... IT IS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW OR CAN PROVE BUT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH YOUR LIFE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITH THE SHORT TIME WE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN THAT WILL DETERMINE WHERE WE WILL BE.. EITHER HEAVEN OR HELL.

SO I SAY... CONTINUE.

okay madJNR continue biko nu... no time to discuss and argue... #speaking in tongues and whistle out of thread

madjnr:

if Jesus declared to be the Yahweh Almighty (I am What I am) in Exodus 3, then he would not have hid himself and slipped away! Use your heads, O Christians, and think about this:
1- Examine what Yahweh Almighty did when He Declared Himself to be "I am What I am". What did He do? He Revealed His Majesty, Glory and Power! I could only imagine Moses could hardly stand on his feet from the overwhelming fear that he experienced!
2- Jesus, when he supposedly declared The Ultimate and Final Statement about himself being the "I am", what did he do? He hid himself and ran away from the beating. This is what he did after he willingly decided to declare his Ultimate and Final Statement about his being and supposed deity. Do you still fail to see the overwhelming inconsistency here?
3- Jesus' supposed statement, "I am", was documented on paper in Greek . Yahweh Almighty's Statement in Exodus 3 was
in Hebrew. The two languages are not only far too different from each others, but the two statements are also not the same.
"I am" is not the same as "I am What I am".

Stop being ignorant.When Jesus came to the earth,He was here as a man in order to fulfil his purpose as a MAN.
Even though He is Divine,He lived as a man here on the earth and so did things as a man.That is why some of His actions and words were acts of men.
It still doesn't take away His divinity.

thorpido:
Stop being ignorant.When Jesus came to the earth,He was here as a man in order to fulfil his purpose as a MAN.
Even though He is Divine,He lived as a man here on the earth and so did things as a man.That is why some of His actions and words were acts of men.
It still doesn't take away His divinity.

how stupid do you sound now ? God changing into a man ? To accomplish what ?what could he have done that he couldn't do it in his God form ? You sound asinine

madjnr:
how stupid do you sound now ? God changing into a man ? To accomplish what ?what could he have done that he couldn't do it in his God form ? You sound asinine

You know because you are so stupid,you usually don't have scriptures to butress your points but to insult.

Your moniker is mad jnr.What else is expected of someone who's unwell upstairs?

Your generation is asinine.

thorpido:
You know because you are so stupid,you usually don't have scriptures to butress your points but to insult.

Your moniker is mad jnr.What else is expected of someone who's unwell upstairs?

Your generation is asinine.

Didn't I quote the bible for you ?