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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:37pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Chelseafan1: Messi plays well for NT without Messi Argentina would be garbage like dog shit When Messi missed the last 2 qualifiers did you see how Argentina played |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 8:38pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Raumdeuter, is Neymar better than Robben, someone just said that. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 8:38pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
raumdeuter: This is not how it works. Players don't switch on and off their form at will. There's never been a time in history where a player suffers from a decline in form for club; then goes back to Country to turn it on. You guys will bring on the Belgium thing over and over again. Hazard is not a robot. Hazard will not feel deflated at club, showing lack of form from instability and unfavourable tactics to abilities, then go back to Country and turn it on. This is not the case for the likes of Neymar, Bale etc. Neymar plays in a system all year round. The system is designed to get the best out of him. And the best of him the club gets. Psychologically, it is then easier to return to Country and replicate that form; leading Country to glory when expected. The same cannot be said of someone who's suffered from a lack of form. You cannot expect a player who feels psychological depressed at club to turn up and feel upbeat for Country. Tell me I am wrong on this. If this point gets lost on you fellas, then it's a shame. I just watch you guys every week debate this topic, concluding on utter rubbish without in-depth analysis. You and A40 are very intelligent guys. You can see this from a mile away. How you are not reaching this conclusion defies belief. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 8:39pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Really? How many Copas and World cup finals has he missed? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:41pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Diademk07: When Neymar was missing for Brazil, what did Oscar and co do? So a new coach came didnt like Paulinho, this same coach went to all the clubs in Europe and didnt make all the top teams in Europe like him It was only China they found space for him paulinho is currently 28 and has been garbage for 3yrs that means he was finished at top flight by 25 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by macjireh: 8:41pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
raumdeuter:on d contrary, he won't be an option but d main player while those guys will be his substitute |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:41pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
macjireh: He will have to prove it on the field, and scoring 2 career CL goals is not the way to bench anyone |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:46pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
nateevs: This is actually a good point you are saying players dont turn it on and off between clubs and NT yet there are guys on here currently trying to convince us that Oscar does exactly that. He is shit on Saturday for Chelsea and suddenly becomes good for Brazil on Wednesday Hazard has only one bad club season and thats last yr so the excuse of psycological in club doesnt cut it, he has been playing for Belgium for over 6yrs so was it just last season that made him average for Belgium for the past 6yrs? Regarding Neymar, He is the top dog in a Brazil filled with mediocre players, he isnt the top dog in Barca. Barcelona would rather tailor their pattern to get the best of Messi or Suarez than they will for Neymar I dey come |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Diademk07: 8:47pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Debroslink: Neymar doesn't even measure up to Robben. His ball controls and vision isn't even close to Robben's. Forget all those simple passes he often makes to Messi and Suarez to rack up his assist stats, when you want to talk about consistently splitting opposition's defences with throughballs, Robben is almost as good as Messi in that department. His control in tight spaces is also exceptional.. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:48pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Chelseafan1: if all the balls Messi was serving for Higuain, and co was converted. Then he would have won at least 2 of those finals With Messi they are able to make finals, without Messi they might not even qualify, Last qualifier they won I think it was even Messi that won it for them iirc |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 8:51pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Diademk07: It's OK. Just don't bring Hazard in the same bracket with any of the duo. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Diademk07: 8:58pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Oscar isn't a player that rack up stats even when he's at his best. Looking at the way he plays, you would expect him to be a don in the midfield, that is, a midfielder that controls and dominate the midfield but then, he would still need quality attackers to finish all the moves started by him. That's his style except that, he finds it difficult to consistently pull it off in the EPL. But for his national team, he's an ace for them. Also, there's no way Neymar would have put Brazil through against Germany, in fact, Germany was their first test because they've been having it quite easy since the group stages and it's no coincidence they failed woefully. As for Paulinho, he's a decent player with lot of intensity and energy in his game. The fact that Dembele was chosen over him doesn't make him a poor player, Dembele was just the better player. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 9:01pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
airmark: I didn't actually see the words 'I've been Paid the 100 pounds' though. Have you been paid the 100 quid bro? Yes or No.. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coded01: 9:03pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
fredoooooo: You right though... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Diademk07: 9:04pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Debroslink: I won't say Hazard is better than Neymar for now, although I would say he has more potentials than Neymar but one thing I know is Neymar isn't better than Hazard. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 9:09pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Diademk07: He has more potentials than Neymar at 26? Have you forgotten Neymar is younger? I'm done. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 9:11pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
nateevs:If you didn't deem it a germane reason then I'm wondering why you brought it up to begin with. These were utility players for the most part brought in to do a job. Ramires and Mikel made key contributions where necessary but they never formed a core of the team in Hazard's time. I jumped on it because it was the most frivolous reason of all. Good players or should I say star players don't guarantee anything. History is rife with good players that didn't win sh!t collectively so the rubbish is from you tbh Its hardly my fault that you fail to appreciate a player who always gave his best when playing for your team. With his limited abilities he contributed to some of your greatest triumphs in history, a feat Hazard is yet to achieve for all the noise Whether you like it or not it is impractical for a team to field 10 attacking players, certain players need to do the grunt work, and you find out that the truly elite teams I assume you are trying to emulate all defend from the front. We would see what happens when injury forces Conte to change tactics or when he gets 'SOURCED OUT' Maybe you are forgetting the fact that not having to deal with Euro footie like some of your rivals is a factor. Was Kante in space when you guys were getting thwacked left, right and center? Fabregas, Matic everybody else were not complete midfielders. Only Kante. OK He got outplayed in 2015/2016 by goddamn Willian. All these your other yarns na just story for the gods tbh. Were the players that outperformed him playing at a different club? Hazard's bottom level would not be accepted at Barca or Madrid even if Satan was their manager. There is a certain level that the truly elite players do not sink below Nothing has been achieved so far besides Hazard exceeding last year's tally. And him of course getting the lion share of credit off the toil of others Who is causing confusion? Abeg speak for yourself bro 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 9:12pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
airmark:xup nah. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 9:15pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
raumdeuter:the 'if' bus stop. If denayer Jordan lukaku were not useless, hazard would have taken his team to the euro semi final. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:16pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Nihilist: Kilode bro ? Ibime has paid |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Diademk07: 9:17pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Debroslink: Yes! He's been under utilised by his coach so far, maybe Conte may finally bring out those potentials. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ariano10(m): 9:37pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Eden hazard is by far a better player than neymar the diver 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:38pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Diademk07: Was Dembele chasing him all over Europe or all top European clubs had a Dembele that was blocking Paulinho from all clubs that he had to land in China. Sorry that excuse is frivolous. Spus had a new coach, Dembele came and that was enough to stop any clu from being interested that he is now in China Brazil played Chile and Colombia 2 of the most exciting teams of the tournament until they met Brazil and were knocked out |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 9:44pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
If you didn't deem it a germane reason then I'm wondering why you brought it up to begin with. These were utility players for the most part brought in to do a job. Ramires and Mikel made key contributions where necessary but they never formed a core of the team in Hazard's time. I jumped on it because it was the most frivolous reason of all. It's your understanding of the whole point that was faulty not my intention to show valid reasons supporting my point of view. I also raised a left back issue amongst many others. You don't seem keen on discussing that. You have attacked the outlet that gives your whole point false credence. Good players or should I say star players don't guarantee anything. History is rife with good players that didn't win sh!t collectively so the rubbish is from you tbh You allowed to change that point pf view to anything. Good players, Star players. However, given that the premise of the debate was that the inclusion of Toni Kroos, Modric, Benzema, Ronaldo, Isco, helps bring out the best in Bale, you are the one saying the rubbish. If you think that this is not the case, ask them to sell Ronaldo, Modric and Kroos and replace them Drinkwater, Emre Can and Slimani; then we see if Bale's productivity will not decline. Its hardly my fault that you fail to appreciate a player who always gave his best when playing for your team. With his limited abilities he contributed to some of your greatest triumphs in history, a feat Hazard is yet to achieve for all the noise Abeg. I don't belong to this school of thought. My school of thought is that rubbish players do more harm than good. In actual fact, statistically, the utilization of the likes Ramires has contributed in total, to more failure than success and such, I don't appreciate these things you try to point in my face. Whether you like it or not it is impractical for a team to field 10 Again, faulty understanding of the wholesome point, which cannot be attributed to me. There is a difference between asking for Alaba (instead of Azpilicueta) at left back, to assist Hazard in attack (drawing away the constant 3 against 1 marking we constantly see) and asking for 11 attacking players. No matter how much desire and enerygy Ramires puts into games, he can never match (let alone surpass) the output of Kante - offensively and defensively. I repeat, good players. Right players. Technical players. Offensively and defensively. Not 11 attacking. That's your faulty understanding at work. Not my own point. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 9:46pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
Debroslink: Stop making it sound like Neymar is 4 years younger, he is 24 while Hazard is 25. Just a year difference. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ariano10(m): 9:48pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ariano10(m): 9:50pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 9:51pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
airmark: I just dey check ni... Stella Oduah was proved the term ' do the needful' meant nothing. Congratulations bro. Enjoy your windfall 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ariano10(m): 9:52pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:53pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
So we cant find anywhere Hazard has convince aside from the league Nothing in CL, Nothing for National team while Neymar keeps delivering everywhere |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by ariano10(m): 9:53pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 9:53pm On Nov 06, 2016 |
donjazet:Yeah but we could be so good at it that it Would take a Ultra special team to stop us just like Barca tiki-taka besides domination dosent mean a few losses wont happen. I agree we need reinenforcements both from youth and signings. |
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