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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:52am On Nov 08, 2016 |
GERALD710:Leave these Nigerians alone. they are suffering from depression cos their country dont seems to get it right on almost every front of human development 4 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 1:28pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
German East African Campaign. Buglers of the 3rd. Battalion Nigeria Regiment sounding the Hausa Farewell. This is sounded when Officers and N.C.O.s leave the country or are transferred to other units. January 1917 © (IWM) Imperial War Musems [s] GERALD710:[/s]
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 1:30pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
German East African Campaign. the Governor General of Nigeria, Sir Frederick Lugard, addressing a draft of the Nigeria Regiment from the bridge of the British Transport "Hymettus", Lagos prior to the vessels' departure for East Africa. 1914 - 1918 © (IWM) Imperial War Musems
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 1:30pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
and what business is this to you? Just30: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 1:36pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
naijalander:Let me rephrase my earlier question to you that you have conveniently elected to evade (which was, do you have any Kenyan friends? ). Let's go again, this time more direct and pointed : What is the extent of your social integration within Kenya, seeing as it is you claim to have lived for 10 years there? 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 1:54pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
-- I have tasted Changa'a. (only tasted) and it is indeed a terrible liquid to fill your stomach with. -- Used to attend Blankets & Wine quite often -- Also club hopped Westlands every weekend -- Kisumu, Lamu, Nyeri (did some work in Nyeri), Mombasa, been there done that. That should define the extent of my social integration within Kenya properly. Hopefully you are convinced now, I do have a lot of Kenyan friends I have these kinda arguments with but you guys set a different standard on being closed minded. MtuMsuper: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 2:01pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
mehn I don't even use cabs when am Nairobi, I use Mats, thats how much I know the town. MtuMsuper: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 5:51pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
naijalander:*sigh* You don't qualify as someone who can comment on this topic irrespective of the above assertions. Why? 1. Social integration within a society by a non native is described by how well you know and understand the norms,cultural nuances and customs of the host society in relation to one's own. Clubbing or other hedonistic activities do not and can never define this, but rather explain one's lifestyle choices. I was expecting you to talk of how you have managed yourself or you could have even regaled us with tales of a faux pas or two in order to explain the cultural differences between us. Or how your dietary habits are seeing as you claim to be 10 yrs in Kenya. Or ones musical orientation in your adopted country. 2. One's ability in a foreign language is proof of one's interest and respect for his host nation. Do you speak any kenyan language, even a smattering? If you do, and are able to conduct oneself with ease in the common tongue:that is a sign of social integration. Where do you stand in this regard? 3. You cannot impose on anyone here ultimatums regarding the topic at hand without providing succinct proof or compelling argument. To wit you have made assertions more than once about 9ja having "stronger ' institutions. I counter that with one interesting but rather sad analogy. Both Kenya and 9ja are facing an onslaught from fanatical and dangerous terrorist organizations, but we both know that alshabab are a group that operates from across in Somalia to target kenyans in kenya in hit and run guerrilla tactics that for the most part are well contained nowadays, as opposed to the situation in 9ja where they actually took large swathes of territory and imposed mayhem on the general populace in the affected regions. A considerable swathe of territory. That can NEVER happen in Kenya. 6 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 6:24am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Point number 1 is funny coming from a guy from a people well known for their alcoholism and debauchery, not that I have anything to explain to you but I'd rather not, believe what you want, it's your brain not mine. So it is fine for you to high light only the good parts of Kenya but comfortably skip the good things about Nigeria, I fear for you. And yes my swah is pretty good actually. Finally, before you make comments about BH or Al Shabaab, maybe do your research well into the root causes to BH for example. If you must know BH also uses Guerilla tactics that's why fighting the is hard. In fact most arrested members are actually citizens of Niger Republic not Nigeria. Nigeria is complex for sure so you may find it difficult to understand the reason why this argument was even worth having in the first place. I have to admit, am exhausted with this argument. Everyone has a right to pride in his or her nationality. Nigerians feel superior, that's where our exceptionalism comes from, I am the greatest, I said that way before I ever was the greatest. That should summarise this debate. Speaking of culture, Naija is conservative, Kenya is quite liberal. I'll go into details later. MtuMsuper: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 6:47am On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: I think the only consolation you have got in terms of superiority complex is the general population of Nigeria which has kept the common Nigerian to believe that it is a parameter of measuring "greatness". India has a populace of 1B with a GDP of 2.3 trillion, Singapore has a population of 6m with a GDP of 500b. Does that make India delude itself into calling itself a giant in Asia at all, NO! Indians dont use their population to bully other Asian countries due to huge population, NO. My argument is that Singapore has a much more dynamic social-economic policies compared to India and most Asian neighbors with the exception of South Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Population or GDP base cannot be of any use if the general effect does not trickle down to strengthen infrastructure in a country. 5 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 7:06am On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander:You don't have any shame do you, and your arrogance and disrespect is barely contained, just come out and be fully anti kenyan like most of you folks naturally tend to be. I can't call you my brother. By all measures, intents and purposes you are exactly what i suspected you to be.Repeating the lies you grew up listening to doesn't make them true. Again, i repeat for the sake of repetition : if you feel bile towards your host country, would you blame me or any kenyan for telling you to up an quit. I mean, if you walk around with these sort of attitudes, you must ALWAYS get into trouble with locals, it's better you just quit. 5 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 7:10am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Kenyanstar:The poster called naijalander is a good example of what you are saying. They constantly throw that tired and useless GDP line. Don't forget the quality of life in Botswana and Namibia are much much much higher than 9ja, their smaller (gross) GDP notwithstanding. 8 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 8:02am On Nov 09, 2016 |
much smaller population too. MtuMsuper: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 8:07am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Get over yourself. You don't know me so don't throw insults at me. I'm entitled to an opinion so get over it. MtuMsuper: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Henrydone: 8:51am On Nov 09, 2016 |
NairobiWalker:Your claims are dump and sick,u just fabricate them to make a point.Kenya a small landmass compared to Nigeria yet has more doubled slum than Nigeria with more people living in the slum, and some of ur country folks come here to claim socio-economic development.Until those socio-economic start affecting the life of majority kenyans blokes stuck up in slum, and kenya one of the smallest country in africa stop having the biggest slum in the world then i will be convince all ur claims are not chinery titivation aimed to gimmick the gullibles. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 10:03am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Naijalander,its not a quarrel! In fact its not even an argument. We provide figures which you ignore. Look at the latest: In Summary http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya-Power-connects-1-2m-homes-to-the-national-grid/539546-3444450-higyd9z/ There'll be 100% coverage by 2021 latest! Pls,just tell me where Naij outdoes us;I only see GDP PPP? With sources,thanks! 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 10:29am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Very well noted. Please don't get me wrong. I love and respect how accommodating and liberal Kenya society is, what I do not love and respect is using said qualities to demean a densely populated, horribly administered yet promising society and conservative society for the sake of continental relevance. Kenya is a part of Africa, Nigeria is also a part of Africa, Africa is a complete shithole so why compare my shithole with yours? kikuyu1: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 10:35am On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: From my view one is has rendered itself satisfied with it being a shit hole(Nigeria), while the other is making an effort of cleaning its mess. Thats where the difference is..... 7 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 10:56am On Nov 09, 2016 |
I think if Nigerians are comfy with Naija being a shithole, you wouldn't find so much criticism online and offline to use against me in this argument. Half of your sources are articles written by Nigerians themselves. See why I said you aren't objective? Kenyanstar: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by KwachImani(f): 11:15am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Henrydone: Nigeria slum poverty stricken population = 150 million (150,000,000) Kenya slum poor poverty stricken population =1 million ( Kibera=200k, others approx 800k). Nigeria landmass = 923 000sq km. Kenya landmass = 581 000 sq km. Dude, NIGERIA at 923,000 km squared +200 MILLION PEOPLE,IS WORSE OFF IN ALL THE INDICES, WHICHEVER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. POINT IS:KENYA at[b] 580,000 km square+ 40 MILLION PEOPLE IS NOT AND IS NOT I REPEAT A SMALL COUNTRY BY ANY MEANS AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE FACTOR IN ITS POPULATION. You do not make any sense at all, justaccept defeat! 6 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by KwachImani(f): 11:21am On Nov 09, 2016 |
Nigeria =approx 216 people per square km Kenya =approx 70 people per square km Nigeria is extremely small for its people. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 1:14pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: Kenya too as a country has its critics in the name of civil society.... They prey on the poor to advance their agenda of milking western countries in terms of NGO funding potraying a negative social spectrum. But we as Kenyans dont sit back waiting for manor from above to change the situation in the past 20yrs. A lot of changes economically, socially and politically have happened that has reset the course of Kenya's stators as an emerging developed country. 1. Advent of multiparty elections 2. Change of the constitution to enable a free society 3. Setting of the vision 2030 blueprint of the country 4. Massive infrastructure overhaul and expansion etc 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Henrydone: 1:23pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
KwachImani:Here again fabricating figures, The number of Kenyans living in kibera alone are almost 3 million Kenya-The shire with the worst slum in the world
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 1:25pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
While Kenya is going for Vision 2030 (which to me is unrealistic), Naija has her Millennium Development Goals (MDG) set for the next 1000 years from 2000. Honestly I find it insulting you think Nigerians are comfy in misery, you think its easy to administer a nation of 170m people with a background of feudal political structures, cultural and religious dogmatism and never say die attitude, think again. Kenyanstar: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Henrydone: 1:27pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Kenyanstar:
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by naijalander: 1:29pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Nigeria certainly does not have 150M people living in slums, what is the source of this data. Unless you consider the country one giant slum, this has got to be a joke. And Kenya definitely has much more than a million people living in slums. You lady are not being objective! Do villages count as slums? Does living in a 100 year old house with pit toilet mean you live in a slum? No Does living in a house made of iron roofing sheet surrounded by horrible drainage make a slum, yes. KwachImani: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Henrydone: 1:36pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander:Don't mind that dude ,he's just been controlled by emotion,he's an unrealistic fella 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 1:40pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Henrydone: Courtesy wikipedia 80 percent of Lagos 25m population lives in slums or poor areas of towns. Lagos poorest Slums in Population of 2006 Agege- 500,000 Ajegunle- 555,000 Amukoko- 200,000 Badia- 160,000 Bariga-190,000 Bodija- 100,000 Ijeshatedo/Itire- 170,000 Ilaje- 150,000 Iwaya- 140,000 Makoko-150,000 Mushin- 160,000 Oke-Offa Babasale- 150,000 Somolu- 120,000 Abuja Slums population 70 percent of Abuja's 1,235,880 population lives in slums or poor areas of towns. 5 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 4:11pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander:Vision 2030 itafika upende usipende. Hayo matarajio tutatimiza kwa asilimia 80 ikipungua. Labda utuelezee juhudi za kwenu. Umesema hapa weye shupavu wa lugha, nakuamrisha unirudie na lugha. Ps: Usiwe mwepesi wa kujibu,busara sio bidhaa ya dukani. Jibu pole pole 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 5:18pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Henrydone: Did you forget to atleast be honest to the other Nairalanders and actually tell them what else is going on the aforementioned slums. Or you dicided to be blind to the Kenyan government efforts to rid Kenya of the slums and install infrastructure and basic amenities!!! THIS IS AIMED AT ACHIEVING VISION 2030. KIBERA SLUM UPGRADING PROJECT 2 Likes
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 5:56pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Henrydone: The Kibera alleged population is false, a propaganda intended by the NGOs working there to fleece donors. Check out one of this 2012, (v) part expose by The Guardian, with the rubric The missing millions of Kibera, a revelation which rocked the world as it implicated even such distinguished organizations as UNDP. Prior to that expose, three years earlier in 2009, the govt conducted its decennial census (every year ending with a 9 is a census year in Kenya, since 1969) which revealed that Kibera, the largest slum in Kenya had merely 170, 700people, a far cry from 2.5million as was claimed by the aid agencies. Here>>>. It was claimed in the 2000s that Kibera had that much population, yet the city of Nairobi then had hardly 3million people. Even now, Nairobi's total population is estimated at just 3.5million. www.nairaland.com/attachments/4461430_image_jpeg_jpeg6f95b5e7a24ad4fc0808d6698fd37362 www.nairaland.com/attachments/4461431_image_jpeg_jpeg6f95b5e7a24ad4fc0808d6698fd37362 Now, if u add up the total population of both slums, it equals almost the current estimated population of Nairobi, which is to suggest that more than 90% of the residents of Nairobi live in slums- those two slums in particular, which is a big nonsense. 4 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Bifwoli: 11:22pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Henrydone: Lol ,a person who can't even use proper grammar & uses wrong facts is now an international development expert,an authoritative demographer and a socio-economic luminary? Get back in line and go back to school. Last time i checked Comoros,Cape Verde,Seychelles and Mauritius are the smallest countries in Africa. 6 Likes |
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