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Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by devilson(m): 6:40pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
CandyDiamond:ode am from ijebu remo my mum is ondo nd we all claim Yoruba.you osu people cab try but we yoruba's would remain one up oduduwa Bleep nri haters 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by TalentManager: 6:46pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
whiteroses:@whiteroses exactly also they are called Eegun because that's the tribe of the race living in that territory. Yoruba people are their brothers in old oyo now osun, Oyo and Ogun but they are more educated and all migrated to the eegun territory for job opportunities when the British would come to get & process palm oil to use as ship lubricant in Britain & other ventures. Before you know it Yoruba had taken over the egun land but you can also call it their land cos they expanded Lagos city itself . Op please change your title . 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 6:47pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
whiteroses: Stop claiming the Ogus. They are not Yorubas. They belong to the Fon-Gbe family of Benin republic. Just because many of them speak Yoruba in addition to their native Ogun language, which is entirely different from Yoruba, does not make them Yorubas. Eguns are not Yorubas. Their village/town names in Badagry do not resemble anything close to Yoruba.
Have you ever listened to their news on Lagos state Television aka Lin Lin news and do you understand a word of what is being said? I guess not. Some may claim Yoruba for political reasons or to gain certain positions in the state given the marginalization that they face but they majority will tell you they are not Yorubas. 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 6:49pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
The continuous marginalization of the Ogu (Egun) people of South-West Nigeria is common knowledge. The late sage and Premier of the then Western Region, Chief Obafemi Awolowo has remained the reference point in leadership not only because of his selflessness and capability, but primarily because of his inclusiveness. For example, it was Chief Awolowo who appointed the Aholu, Claudius Dosa Akran from Badagry as the Minister for Economic Planning and Community Development (1958 – 1964) in the then regional government. At the same time, Chief D. K Aihonsu (from Ipokia, present day Ogun State) was a member of the Regional House of Representatives through the support of Chief Awolowo. Since the demise of this sage (and the leadership style he represented), there have been spirited efforts to present the South-West Nigeria as a mono-ethnic region. In this vain, political representation (other than local elective posts) has largely excluded Ogu people. For the records, Ogu people, who speak the language called Ogu (although erroneously called Egun) had been part of this space before colonization and amalgamation of the Southern and Northern Protectorates of Nigeria. The misfortune of colonization led to the partitioning of Ogu people into Nigeria, Benin Republic, Togo, Ghana, and Ivory Coast. The geographical spread of Ogu people forms a trans-border continuum in all these countries, while settling Ogu people are found in various other places in Nigeria. To this end, Ogu people were part of the struggle for Nigeria's independence and have contributed in no small measure to national development. In today’s Nigeria, Ogu people are found mainly in Badagry area of Lagos State as well as in Ado-Odo/Ota, Ipokia, Imeko, and Yewa South Local Government Areas of Ogun State. They are found in most states that share borders with Benin Republic, including Oyo, Kwara and Niger States. In addition, there are various Ogu indigenous communities like Makoko and Iwaya in Lagos State, Ago-Egun in Abeokuta, among others. The indigenous Ogu people of Nigeria have had their fair share of the troubles with Nigeria. The Ogu are the typical victim of ethnic crisis in South-West Nigeria. In recent times, there has been escalation of ethnic crisis between Ogu people and their majority Yoruba neighbours as often reported in Ado-Odo, Ipokia areas, and some parts of Badagry. A few years ago, Ogu people were, almost as a matter of policy, denied admission into Badagry Grammar School, Kakon Model College and other government-owned schools until sufficient pressure and protests were registered by their leaders. On account of the non-Yoruba names most of them bear (there are some who consciously and on account of accident of naming bear Yoruba names), Ogu people are still denied admission into the various tertiary institutions in South-West Nigeria today among other injustices arising from their minority status in the South-West in particular and Nigeria in general. The situation, sadly, at times suggests a systematic intention to single out this particular ethnic group for persecution. To many, the Ogu are Nigerians only when it is time to vote. Lagos traditionally has five divisions with Badagry (comprising mainly the Ogu people and the Awori sub-ethnic group of the Yoruba) as one of these divisions. It is however worrisome that a lot of political decisions and other moves for development often exclude the Ogu as is playing out in the nomination of delegates for the forthcoming national conference. We believe it is not late to rectify this gross marginalization and injustice. We are persuaded that there should be at least one Ogu representative in the Lagos State delegates' list. We are equally persuaded that the Ogu people in Ogun State deserve at least one representative out of the eight delegates nominated by the state. We reject every suggestion that Ogu people can be represented by non-Ogu people, as not only does this smack of an attempt to infantilize Ogu people, it also amounts to malignant paternalism. We reject the persuasive distortions that tend to lump us up as Yoruba. We make bold to say that the absolutism being projected by the current leaders of South-West Nigeria is against the spirit of national dialogue. Signed on behalf of Ogu Collective: Dr Pius Fasinu Ms Gloria Sevezun Agbaosi Dr Senayon Olaoluwa Mr Viyon Awhanse Dr Jendele Hungbo Mr Nunayon Samson Afodewu http://saharareporters.com/2014/03/04/exclusion-ogu-egun-people-lagos-and-ogun-national-conference-delegates%E2%80%99-list 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by TalentManager: 6:51pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
By the way why are people fighting ? If they are calling you afonja trouble makers now you will be angry no need to argue and fight . All the Mama no go gree of isale eko town, shut up please 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 7:08pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by Oblang(m): 7:24pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
CandyDiamond: I'm sure u don't know the yoruba actor called awori who speaks his language in Yoruba films. And several egun ppl speak their language in Yoruba movies too. Very well I understand ilaje because their language sound like mine (ondo language). Do u ppl think all Yoruba speak one language.. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by Fawklicant: 7:46pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
No true Egun person I've met has accepted to be yoruba. In fact they get offended when you call them yoruba. They are always quick to point out to you that they are not Yoruba. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by blueskies(f): 7:58pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
post=50896786:xcuse me, who says ijebu isn't yoruba? Where did u get dat frm? Or u just needed somethin to say? Egun is also a part of d yoruba tribe. Pls confirm and affirm wat u think u know b4 misleadin odas. Thank u 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by olaniyi0(m): 9:11pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
I saw so many flattinos both M&F trying to teach the Yorubas their races and some even said Aworis, Ijebus and Ilajes ain't Yorubas, i wonder weytin d original lagosians dey speak if not Awori's Yoruba version? Soon them go say Lucumi speakers from Cuba, Carribean, Bahia etc ain't Yorubas Ohhh... I forgot Flat Head=Flat Brain. *** Dodges some ugwu and jump into NAPEP*** 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:13pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Actually both languages have similarities. Eguns are also Yorubas but are Eguns. Just like the Ijesha, Ijebu,Ilaje, Egba, Kabbalah etc... Neemrod: |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:16pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Define marginalised. Who is marginalising them and how? bigfrancis21: 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:19pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Are there not Yorubas in Benin who complain about being marginalised also? Why are you trying to play divide and conquer? bigfrancis21: |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:21pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
What are you talking about? Godprotectigbos: |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 9:23pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: http://saharareporters.com/2014/03/04/exclusion-ogu-egun-people-lagos-and-ogun-national-conference-delegates%E2%80%99-list |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 9:26pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: naijalander: Ogu people are not Yoruba. Simple and short. Stop claiming them when you guys discriminate against them as see them as 'foolish'. Infact. The 'egun' you guys call them is derogatory and if someone does something you think is stu.pid, you ask them if they are Egun. Ogu people are not Yorubas. https://open.uct.ac.za/bitstream/item/23495/thesis_hum_2016_kunnuji_joseph_olanrewaj.pdf?sequence=1 2 Likes
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Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:31pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
The Egun community is part of the remnant of those who were under the domains of then Alaafin and were assimilated into the old empire. I imagine 5 out of 5, yes no mistake (I mean 5 out of 5), has at least one Yoruba, Egba, Awori, Ijesha, Ilaje, Ekiti, Kabba, etc and most likely the others also have one or two Egan ancestor. You need to change your orientation of 'Yoruba', see it instead as Confederation of old communities who were at one time or the other in history of the same clan(s). Does it make sense to say Yoruba is different from Egun still? Does being Yoruba make you any less Egun? No it doesn't amen you any less Egun, just like it doesn't make an Ijebu man any less Ijebu or Ijesha, etc. oboy3: |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 9:37pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: If you claim Ogus are Yorubas, please then interpret this statement in Ogu language: n hen hode w abo na do hawe, de a no do hemi gbo we no jeji nu mi, or you keep shut forever if you can't interpret it. 3 Likes
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Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:40pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
My father speaks quite similar dialects with his extended family in Ondo, I do not speak a word of the language. So what exactly are you on about? Na today Yoruba people dey see strange writing bigfrancis21: 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:42pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
#sigh You mean like how they say Ijebu are selfish, Ondo are violent...I ask again, na today? bigfrancis21: |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 9:42pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: Mr. man interpret the statement I posed to you if that looks like Yoruba to you or you keep shut forever. Gosh. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 9:46pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: Please read the snapshots of the article, written by an Ogu himself, I uploaded for people like you i'm sure will be lazy to read the full article. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:49pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
I don't speak the language nor the one my dad speaks with his extended family, does that make him any less Yoruba? Mist you play divide and conquer? Sow seeds of discourse purposely to demonise people. What is the difference between you and Hitler? In fact who are you to dilly dally around such issues? Do you not know good breeds good and hatred will always produce more hatred. Honestly am sick and tired of people like you. bigfrancis21: 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by naijalander: 9:54pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
The writers logic works for everybody not just Yorubas, pick someone else to demonise. Your entire premise lacks objectivity in the first place since your intention was not to express the writers message about intercultural communication but to high light the division. Also if the Ogu writer wants to speak Ogu freely, let him speak it to people who understand it. Lagos Yorubas scorn Ogu same way they scorn Ibadan Yoruba, it is a human thing, human mentality is eager to hate what it does not understand, this does not make people of Yoruba descent some kind of oppressor. Are there not Ogus who display their hatred for Yoruba people too? bigfrancis21: 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 9:56pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
[s] naijalander:[/s] Unnecessary long story. The Ogu themselves have mentioned to be a distinct tribe. You are the one trying to claim them as Yoruba but at the same time discriminating against them. They have their own language which is a different language from Yoruba. Why can't you respect their tradition and wish? 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 10:00pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander: Here is a video of an Ogu, Agbaosi Sevezun, from Badagry speaking on public TV where she reasserted her identity to be Ogu or Gunu/GNU. Fast forward to 6:47 and enjoy. https://www.facebook.com/princetoyinojora/videos/vb.100001095237509/1109481422431688/?type=2&theater Please note, I did not say the Ogus are not Yoruba. They said it themselves. Please don't come here pointing fingers at me. The Ogu people are beginning to restore their language and customs. Their ethnic consciousness is starting to rise in numbers. Lagos is their native homeland, which makes up 15% of Lagos state. They are also found in Ipokia LGA of Ogun state. 4 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by orimsamsam(m): 10:34pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:just funny how someone from far away East claim to knw better than than the person living in the West. I have a lot of eguns as friends and dey are all yorubas. So pls face and mind ur fucking business 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by orimsamsam(m): 10:46pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:this were ur problem comes from. Bro are u from southwest. Den if u are not from southwest fucking keep quite 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by blueskies(f): 11:05pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Srzly? What are u tryin to prove frm dis? An average yorubas' inability to interpret that doesn't mean egun doesn't av a history or aint interwined with yoruba. The yoruba tribe as a whole is a break down of different regions with their respective dialet and unique language. They speak dsame yoruba but each regions have their unique native dialet. The native dialet of the ijebus is different frm d egbas, and different frm d ileshas, ibadans etc. I may understand perfectly d ijebu dialet and can possibly pen it down but I may nt understand perfectly d ileshas or egba dialet, and I may nt b able to pen it down in writin like I wud do for d ijebu dialet. That doesn't make any of them less yoruba. They r all yorubas. Yoruba is very wide, d tribe, culture, dialets. So stop trying to twist or prove an irrelevant point. It doesn't work dat way. Mayb u shd go back and do a deep-rooted research on d different unique dialets and language in yoruba. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by Nobody: 11:31pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
Saying Egun is yoruba is just like saying Benin(edo) is igbo. There's no similarity between yoruba and Egun starting from language, to culture and even appearance. Believe me these guys are by no means yoruba. 5 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by Nobody: 11:38pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
naijalander:I have interacted with many of them both in Cotonou and Lagos, I understand yoruba perfectly but I can't pick a single word when Egun people speak, in fact the language is more related to fon-language spoken in Benin Republic. My closest Egun friend is Hinwebo Emmanuel, now how is that yoruba to u? 6 Likes |
Re: Yoruba And Eegun Clash In Ajah, Lagos As They Burn Houses by bigfrancis21: 11:58pm On Nov 09, 2016 |
blueskies: orimsamsam: orimsamsam: Ogus are not Yorubas. They have their own native language which is not a yoruba dialect. You are confusing native yoruba dialects such as Egba, ijesha etc with Ogu. In this case Ogu isn't a Yoruba dialect but a different language of its own. Just because they are bilingual in Yoruba doesn't mean they are Yorubas. Their blood brothers are in Benin republic where they speak the Fon dialect of Gbe languages and the Ogu people speak the Gun dialect. Please educate yourself. They are not Yorubas. 2 Likes |
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