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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 6:15pm On Nov 12, 2016
frumentius:


I can confirm that as from 22h00 last night, both Ugandan intelligence and UPDF said they do not know his whereabouts.
Personally I do not think the Colonel is into self-flagellation. It has been rumoured that conditions for M23 in Rwanda are far more hospitable than Uganda.

Pertinent for us is the IED which targeted Indian troops on their morning run in Goma a few days ago. 2 years ago the Recces discovered the remnants of what might have been a ramshackle IED "school" deep in the jungle, and there's been unconfirmed reports of Al-shabaab training the ADF ever since.
Speedy recovery to the 32 Indian troopies.

Last I checked they were kept in camps.


Bertrand Bisimwa was political leader of the movement. Seeing many connect the event with the current political situation in the DRC. The postponed elections.

Anyway like some said before the SANDF needs an incentive to upgrade the COIN doctrine as mostly is based on unit structures which no longer exist. Association with oppressive apartheid regimes should be stopped.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:51pm On Nov 12, 2016
MikeCZA:


Last I checked they were kept in camps.


Bertrand Bisimwa was political leader of the movement. Seeing many connect the event with the current political situation in the DRC. The postponed elections.

Anyway like some said before the SANDF needs an incentive to upgrade the COIN doctrine as mostly is based on unit structures which no longer exist. Association with oppressive apartheid regimes should be stopped.

The Ugandan camps are far more spartan than the Rwandese ones. Then of course the rumour that the senior cadre in
Rwanda endure the hardship of hotels. I suspect Makenga will surface in Rwanda.

You're correct about our COIN doctrine. There was a flurry of activity 2 years ago when Big 5 made the discovery, but then it died down. A whole bunch of people from Denel, CSIR, DI, SSA and JOps went out there, the right noises were made and then nothing. Back then the ADF had seemingly tried to target Congolese Hind pilots and their East European merc colleagues as they were transported to and from the airport base.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:40pm On Nov 12, 2016
Nothing to do with them but the Ethiopians can not be amused.

UAE deploys fast jets to Eritrea

The United Arab Emirates has deployed a combat air group to Eritrea's Assab airport to support its military operation in southern Yemen, Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows.

Rest of the story here: http://www.janes.com/article/65455/uae-deploys-fast-jets-to-eritrea

Pic: Courtesy of Airbus Defence and Space

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:21pm On Nov 12, 2016
chkil:
BMP 1 upgraded to BMP-2M Berezhok with Kornet ATGM , algerian army

patches689:
Nice - cheap, practical, effective.

Yes it is. Though of course as a red-blooded Saffer I wish they'd gone with the option from ATE.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by sheyiofficial(m): 9:01pm On Nov 12, 2016
ommo:



The rate at which this guy post news articles concerning BH, I'm beginning to suspect his a sympathiser of BH. I never see him post news reporting BH being killed or arrested but, his quick to post news item showing BH strength n victories.

Bro, BH can't defeat NA because they have the support of every Nigerian and God.

Smh

Salam
. lol
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:16pm On Nov 12, 2016
Nigeria Random

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:34pm On Nov 12, 2016
frumentius:
Nothing to do with them but the Ethiopians can not be amused.





Rest of the story here: http://www.janes.com/article/65455/uae-deploys-fast-jets-to-eritrea

Pic: Courtesy of Airbus Defence and Space

Ethiopia is pre-occupied with the unrest in Ethiopia, for Eritea, they need the money.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by bidexiii: 10:12pm On Nov 12, 2016
Henry240:
Nigeria Random

NAFC meaning......?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 1:58am On Nov 13, 2016
bidexiii:


NAFC meaning......?
Nigerian Army finance corps.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 5:16am On Nov 13, 2016

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:46am On Nov 13, 2016
Breaking News, as expected the U.S government blocks Nigeria's plan to purchase 12 Super Tucano aircrafts. grin grin grin


Nigerian Generals simply do not learn.



[b]Strong indications have emerged that the United States has
again blocked the Federal Government from acquiring
fighter ground attack aircraft considered crucial in the
ongoing campaign against Boko Haram in the North-East.
Investigations showed that the US has prevented the
military from acquiring the A-29 Super Tucano light attack
aircraft from Brazil.


A Presidency source said on Saturday that Nigeria and
Brazil were almost striking a deal on the acquisition of the
light attack aircraft when the US, which produced the
aircraft, prevented the deal.
It was gathered that the leadership of the Armed Forces
had taken a decision to replace the ailing Alpha jet
platform of the Nigerian Air Force with the newer A-29
Super Tucano.


The source said that the Brazilians, who were initially
enthusiastic about the deal, suddenly became reluctant.
The source added the US had told the Brazilians, who
acquired 99 of the aircraft from the US firm, Embraer
Defence System, that the aircraft deal be put on hold due
to human rights issues involving the military.
The US had blocked the immediate past administration of
Dr. Goodluck Jonathan from acquiring Boeing CH-47
Chinok helicopters from Israel in January 2015
purportedly due to human rights issues involving the
military.

Like the case of the A-29 Super Tucano, the Boeing CH-47
Chinok helicopters were produced by US firms and could
only be sold with approval by the Americans.
The latest development has dimmed indications that the
US was relaxing the arms embargo on the country with the
election of President Muhammadu Buhari in 2015.
US Congressman Darrel Isah had said shortly after a
meeting with service chiefs and defence authorities in the
country in August 2015 that the US had commenced the
process of relaxing the embargo on military assistance to
the country under the Leahy Law.

The Leahy Law prohibits the US defence sector from
providing military assistance to countries involved in rights
violations.

The source added that the US Government was not
pleased with measures adopted against those accused of
human rights abuse in the operational areas of the North-
East.
The source said, “The issue of the arms embargo against
the country by the US is still in force. The US is helping in
the area of training; we also have some of their
platforms like the C130 which is so crucial in the campaign
and operations of the military.


“However, the surprising thing is that they have again
prevented the country from acquiring A29, Super Tucano
light attack aircraft from Brazil.
“The US sold the aircraft to the Brazilians but they gave a
condition that they could only be resold to other countries
with the consent of the US. This means that Brazil must
seek the permission of the US to sell.
“The Brazilians were enthusiastic when they visited Nigeria
and the impression we had was that they were ready to
sell, provided the funds were available.
“Curiously, they later developed cold feet because America
started quoting human rights issues to block the deal.
“The aircraft are unique because the plan was to use the
A-29 Super Tucano, Fighter Ground Attack aircraft to
replace the ailing Alpha jets.
“The Alpha jets are old now; the Alpha jets and the MI
helicopter gunships are the two major platforms deployed
in the North-East.”
However, it was said that the US had inspected some
facilities of the NAF even though the deal was shrouded in
uncertainty.
Our correspondent gathered that the prevailing arms
blockade had again compelled the government to look in
the direction of Asia and Eastern Europe for arms supply
to fight Boko Haram.
It was learnt that the Federal Government had paid for 10
Super Mushak trainers from Pakistan expected to arrived
the country by the first week of December 2016.
It was further learnt that plans had reached an advanced
stage to bring in 12 MI 35M, one of the latest helicopter
gunships from Russia.
It was gathered that pilots and technicians who were sent
to Russia for training on the use of the sophisticated
helicopters had completed training and had returned to
the country to await the arrival of the equipment.
Although the military had not changed the plan to replace
the Alpha jets with the A-29 attack helicopters, the
government was said to be acquiring the MI35m in phases.[/b]

punchng.com/boko-haram-us-blocks-nigeria-buying-aircraft-brazil/
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:53am On Nov 13, 2016
This is an outcome @Rugged7 foresaw.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 5:55am On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:
Breaking News, as expected the U.S government blocks Nigeria's plan to purchase 12 Super Tucano aircrafts. grin grin grin


Nigerian Generals simply do not learn.


punchng.com/boko-haram-us-blocks-nigeria-buying-aircraft-brazil/
Damn. This is so annoying. What's the next issue now? We should just forget about these American deals for now. Bullshit.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 5:59am On Nov 13, 2016
The L15 should not be a bad option.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 6:11am On Nov 13, 2016
frumentius:


The Ugandan camps are far more spartan than the Rwandese ones. Then of course the rumour that the senior cadre in
Rwanda endure the hardship of hotels. I suspect Makenga will surface in Rwanda.

You're correct about our COIN doctrine. There was a flurry of activity 2 years ago when Big 5 made the discovery, but then it died down. A whole bunch of people from Denel, CSIR, DI, SSA and JOps went out there, the right noises were made and then nothing. Back then the ADF had seemingly tried to target Congolese Hind pilots and their East European merc colleagues as they were transported to and from the airport base.
Indeed, "senior" or former rebel leaders like Laurent Nkunda are said to be "under house arrest".

Attention will be given when things really start blowing up.

Anyway surrounded by stable states I doubt they'll turn east DRC into Mali or Somalia. grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:23am On Nov 13, 2016
tdayof:

Damn. This is so annoying. What's the next issue now? We should just forget about these American deals for now. Bullshit.


I was cautiously optimistic that the deal would scale through, although even if it scaled through, what's the use of buying an aircraft, if the Americans aren't going to sell us parts and ammo down the line.

We should just stick with Transport and Surveillance planes, with the Americans.

The next issue is to buy a proper spend that money on a on FTA (Fighter-Trainer-Attack) from China, Russia, Italy or Czech republic. These are our options going forward. AVIC did say we are interested in the FTC-2000.


With the Americans, there was always no use, however the reason why i favour the Super-Tucano, possibly also the same reason the Air Force favours the aircraft is because they are cheap, very cheap to run. Cheaper than helicopters.


Two(2) Nigerian Presidents and Three (3) Air Force chief's have tried to purchase the A29, and they have all failed, it sends a clear message that it is time to move on.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 7:48am On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:
This is an outcome @Rugged7 foresaw.
Please Mr Henry face the facts and not twist them to suit the Story Mr Rugged is not a psychic .We have said repeatedly on this blog that it depends on the US Government where the State Dept and Sen Leahy have final say on any deal and let us not connect any Russian sale to US sales.
This has got nothing to do with the Nigerian Government we said this deal was left than 50% possible due to the Leahy act.Please can we for once stick with the Facts.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jelal007(m): 7:49am On Nov 13, 2016
LTGEN:

Production has ceased from all accounts.The NA has ordered a brand new prototype of an APC with an initial order for 9 Units . This will mean for all intents and purposes the Igirigi is done.
Igirigi is referred to as 'Big 4 Nothing' by soldiers. Ask around,u'll find out.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 7:53am On Nov 13, 2016
tdayof:
The L15 should not be a bad option.
Option #1 is the JF17 that is why Nigeria has Pilots in Pakistan.
Option #2 is the Russian SU24 it is very unlikely Nigeria will buy any Jets , solely from China, in any event Nigeria has not on record sent any Pilots to China : Sailors yes Pilots no.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 7:58am On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:


I was cautiously optimistic that the deal would scale through, although even if it scaled through, what's the use of buying an aircraft, if the Americans aren't going to sell us parts and ammo down the line.

We should just stick with Transport and Surveillance planes, with the Americans.

The next issue is to buy a proper spend that money on a on FTA (Fighter-Trainer-Attack) from China, Russia, Italy or Czech republic. These are our options going forward. AVIC did say we are interested in the FTC-2000.


With the Americans, there was always no use, however the reason why i favour the Super-Tucano, possibly also the same reason the Air Force favours the aircraft is because they are cheap, very cheap to run. Cheaper than helicopters.


Two(2) Nigerian Presidents and Three (3) Air Force chief's have tried to purchase the A29, and they have all failed, it sends a clear message that it is time to move on.
what about the m346?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 8:00am On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:


Ethiopia is pre-occupied with the unrest in Ethiopia, for Eritea, they need the money.
Sad Story and State of affairs for both Countries.
Ethiopia: Facing unrest at home has to recall troops from Somalia and yet no doubt the meaningless war it fought with Eriteria no doubt financially had an impact.
Eriteria: Fought all these years for Independence and then started dabbling first in Ethiopia, then the Sudan and now is selling it Country piece by piece to the Highest bidder.
When will Africa learn?

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:09am On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:
The next issue is to buy a proper spend that money on a on FTA (Fighter-Trainer-Attack) from China, Russia, Italy or Czech republic. These are our options going forward. AVIC did say we are interested in the FTC-2000.

I wouldn't be so sure about the Czechs. Exactly the same problem as the Embraer A-29. Ask the Bolivians whose purchase of the Aero L-159 was blocked by the Yanks. Meanwhile those excellent promoters of human rights like Angola, Colombia, Mauritania and Equatorial Guinea etc, have been allowed to acquire the Tucano.

As an aside: the quality of some Nigerian journalism! sad sad sad

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:11am On Nov 13, 2016
LTGEN:

Please Mr Henry face the facts and not twist them to suit the Story Mr Rugged is not a psychic .We have said repeatedly on this blog that it depends on the US Government where the State Dept and Sen Leahy have final say on any deal and let us not connect any Russian sale to US sales.
This has got nothing to do with the Nigerian Government we said this deal was left than 50% possible due to the Leahy act.Please can we for once stick with the Facts.

Rugged7 knows why I am quoting him. Not this your off-tandem post.

By the way, go back , read his posts specifically on this matter.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:13am On Nov 13, 2016
tdayof:
what about the m346?

That's the one from Italy I am referring to. Those are the options we have.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 8:16am On Nov 13, 2016
LTGEN:

Option #1 is the JF17 that is why Nigeria has Pilots in Pakistan.
Option #2 is the Russian SU24 it is very unlikely Nigeria will buy any Jets , solely from China, in any event Nigeria has not on record sent any Pilots to China : Sailors yes Pilots no.

This is wrong.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:22am On Nov 13, 2016
frumentius:


I wouldn't be so sure about the Czechs. Exactly the same problem as the Embraer A-29. Ask the Bolivians whose purchase of the Aero L-159 was blocked by the Yanks. Meanwhile those excellent promoters of human rights like Angola, Colombia, Mauritania and Equatorial Guinea etc, have been allowed to acquire the Tucano.

As an aside: the quality of some Nigerian journalism! sad sad sad

That's the part I find hilarious the most. It's an outcome most people forsaw however I was cautiously optimistic. I felt it could work. The Tucano is the sort of plane that is best suited for the sort of operations we are currently engaged in.


Apart from politics, which by the way is divided according to the political leaning of these news outlets, defence journalism simply flies over the heads of Nigerian journalists.

We don't have defenceweb or Africandefence. Net to depend on.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:03am On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:


Ethiopia is pre-occupied with the unrest in Ethiopia, for Eritea, they need the money.

Not quite that simple. Put yourself in Ethiopia's shoes: Eritrea funds Al-Shabaab which you're fighting, and various armed malcontents within your territory; UAE funds various malcontents from Libya to Syria (who've lined up Ethiopian Orthodox/Coptic Church officials for execution); you've worked hard to isolate the barbarians in Asmara from the comity of nations, but now, cash-flush funders of your enemies are throwing them a lifeline.

Huge sense of humour failure this!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by BlackBaron: 10:12am On Nov 13, 2016
The Nigerian state has perfected the act of chasing pavements for so long.
Can we just have a foolproof acquisition without the Americans involved. Gosh!

Heaven forbids another territorial capture and we'd still have a hierarchy content on window shopping with unwilling sellers.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ActivateKruger: 12:29pm On Nov 13, 2016
I have noticed the disappearance of East Africans on the thread... Are they banned or something?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 12:32pm On Nov 13, 2016
Henry240:



With the Americans, there was always no use, however the reason why i favour the Super-Tucano, possibly also the same reason the Air Force favours the aircraft is because they are cheap, very cheap to run. Cheaper than helicopters.
pls don't forget it can carry more payload,its also faster than a chopper. and also more loitering time in air.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:37pm On Nov 13, 2016
ActivateKruger:
I have noticed the disappearance of East Africans on the thread... Are they banned or something?

Bad network in east-Africa grin grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:41pm On Nov 13, 2016
giles14:
pls don't forget it can carry more payload,its also faster than a chopper. and also more loitering time in air.

Well, that's the end of our Super Tucano daydream. According to the US we are the world's worst human abusers. Worse than both the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Colombia, Angola...... Pretty much worse than the devil.


Italy, China and Russia have always been our best bet, while we continue to strive on how to build a military industrial complex.

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