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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:28pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


As I said before, Emma Ado pointed the good from Keshi. Something we are enjoying today. Keshi did not blow it but had to work under challenging conditions.

Keshi blew it.

After d exploits of Obaobona, Mba, Reuben and the likes, He thought he was a tactics genius that can transform average players to super stars.He started searching for more home based players. The team had too many local players.

Ask urself where are those Keshi's unearthed homebased players today? The likes of Ejike Uzoenyi, Gabriel Reuben, Godfrey Obaobona, Gambo Mohamed. He later started a romance with Gbolahan Salami.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:29pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheSuperNerd:
Reuben Gabriel, Ejike Uzoenyi, Michael Uchebo, Shola Ameobi.... Some names for a world cup squad.

He got it wrong in certain players' selection...

He remains our hero and all..... But keshi had his faults as head coach.


Unless you did not watch CHAN. Ejike Uzoenyi merited that slot after Keshi left him out. It was Echiejile's injury before the World Cup that gave Uzoenyi that chance.

By the way, we got to the World Cup knock out phase with that squad. Went toe to toe with France. They resorted to injuring us to win. Not one but two players. Ambrose and Onazi.

The problem is name, not the achievement he made at the World Cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:33pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Keshi blew it.

After d exploits of Obaobona, Mba, Reuben and the likes, He thought he was a tactics genius that can transform average players to super stars.He started searching for more home based players. The team had too many local players.

Ask urself where are those Keshi's unearthed homebased players today? The likes of Ejike Uzoenyi, Gabriel Reuben, Godfrey Obaobona, Gambo Mohamed. He later started a romance with Gbolahan Salami.

Keshi never claimed he was a tactical genius. He walked the corridors of the glass house, begging for the NFF to overturn the unfair dismissal of his technical adviser, the heroic Sylvanus Okpala.

So how can you claim that Keshi felt he was a tactical genius?

I repeat, unfair criticisms.

Gbolahan Salami was one of the local League's top scorers. It frightens me that you want the national team coach to turn his back on some of our promising local talents.

Even reports says Rohr is monitoring Salami. You did not complain then.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:35pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Keshi blew it.

After d exploits of Obaobona, Mba, Reuben and the likes, He thought he was a tactics genius that can transform average players to super stars.He started searching for more home based players. The team had too many local players.

Ask urself where are those Keshi's unearthed homebased players today? The likes of Ejike Uzoenyi, Gabriel Reuben, Godfrey Obaobona, Gambo Mohamed. He later started a romance with Gbolahan Salami.

I repeat, Unless you did not watch CHAN, anyone criticising the call of Uzoenyi is unfair. That guy almost died on the field playing for us. Literally passed out on the field, the medics revived him and he kept on playing. He was by far the best player at the CHAN.

Keshi, TOO MUCH.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:35pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Do you call his last three games starting or ending? His last three games showed the trajectory of the team. Unfortunately, the NFF then were trigger happy to let the Iconic hero go. We were one goal a way from the going to the AFCON. Chances we created multiple times in that game. Some missed by Musa and Uche.

Keshi won the AFCON, Qualified us for the World Cup, took us to the knock out stage of the World Cup. We had a poor start to the qualifiers, but finished strong.

I wonder where he blew it. Keshi gets loads of unfair criticisms but his good works trumps the bad.

Trajectory? Thats after he released his mistakes.
Losing to Congo and Sudan is unpardonable.

He had a disastrous finish.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:38pm On Nov 17, 2016
I watched CHAN... And it is what it is... African-based "local" soccer... WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "THE FIFA WORLD CUP MEHN"

Got to the round of 16 with a squad that had only reuben gabriel who hasnt had much action to come in as Onazi's replacement in that game against France.

Remember Reuben was supposed to be dropped from the final world cup squad due to some health ish but Keshi chose to reward "his loyalty" wink

What a story.... Had we had a good bench against France, we would have won. Keshi failed in that area... We lacked a good bench.

TheGoodJoe:


Unless you did not watch CHAN. Ejike Uzoenyi merited that slot after Keshi left him out. It was Echiejile's injury before the World Cup that gave Uzoenyi that chance.

By the way, we got to the World Cup knock out phase with that squad. Went toe to toe with France. They resorted to injuring us to win. Not one but two players. Ambrose and Onazi.

The problem is name, not the achievement he made at the World Cup.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:40pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Keshi never claimed he was a tactical genius. He walked the corridors of the glass house, begging for the NFF to overturn the unfair dismissal of his technical adviser, the heroic Sylvanus Okpala.

So how can you claim that Keshi felt he was a tactical genius?

I repeat, unfair criticisms.

Gbolahan Salami was one of the local League's top scorers. It frightens me that you want the national team coach to turn his back on some of our promising local talents.

Even reports says Rohr is monitoring Salami. You did not complain then.

Imaging keeping 7slots for home based players every game. No merits. I almost had heart aches with Keshi's selections.

He reduced the value of the green and white jersey.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:40pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Trajectory? Thats after he released his mistakes.
Losing to Congo and Sudan is onpardonable.

He had a disastrous finish.

Keshi did not have a disastrous finish. He showed recovery, scouting brilliance, bringing in the likes of Aluko and Hope Akpan.

He showed tactical brilliance after he switched Onazi to a right back to cope with the nagging injury of Ambrose. He showed guts when he removed Onazi from the midfield because of the lapses in his defensive discipline. Showed ruthlessness cutting Echiejile and bringing in Oshaniwa.

Give respect to greatness.

As I said, people only see bad.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 9:41pm On Nov 17, 2016
How does one even explain Reuben Gabriel who had no football for almost 2 years making the world cup team?

Even players like Uchebo, Agbim, Egwuekwe,were not Nigerian national team material.

I love Keshi but some of his selections were poor.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:42pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Imaging keeping 7slots for home based players every game. No merits. I almost had heart aches with Keshi's selections.

He reduced the value of the green and white jersey.

What about results? What about achievements? Becoming one of the greatest coaches in the history of coaching Super Eagles?

I guess, you never noticed any.

Reduced the value? Like winning the AFCON and qualifying us for the World Cup.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 9:43pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Keshi did not have a disastrous finish. He showed recovery, scouting brilliance, bringing in the likes of Aluko and Hope Akpan.

He showed tactical brilliance after he switched Onazi to a right back to cope with the nagging injury of Ambrose. He showed guts when he removed Onazi from the midfield because of the lapses in his defensive discipline. Showed ruthlessness cutting Echiejile and bringing in Oshaniwa.

Give respect to greatness.

As I said, people only see bad.

Aluko was already in the national team set-up before Keshi. He was not 'scouted'... How many years of crying did it take to invite him?

Same with hope Akpan.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:44pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


What about results? What about achievements? Becoming one of the greatest coaches in the history of coaching Super Eagles?

I guess, you never noticed any.

Reduced the value? Like winning the AFCON and qualifying us for the World Cup.

Get my point.

Keshi was a great coach.

He would have done better with better selections.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:45pm On Nov 17, 2016
tbaba1234:
How does one even explain Reuben Gabriel who had no football for almost 2 years making the world cup team?

Even players like Uchebo, Agbim, Egwuekwe,were not Nigerian national team material.

I love Keshi but some of his selections were poor.

Disagree with some points. Use Egwuekwe for this instance. Against South Africa, if I remember right, Keshi removed Omeruo and left only one center back. This gave us midfield advantage. Egwuekwe as the only central defender, kept us solid and stopped repeated counter attacks.

Very few defenders can pull that off but here you are criticising Egwuekwe.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:46pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Get my point.

Keshi was a great coach.

He would have done better with better selections.

Keshi was a great coach ad helped build the foundation of the current Super Eagles team. Emma Ado was right. He made the statement praising Rohr for keeping that framework.

That does not deserve criticism or he should go and sit down. That is all I am saying.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 9:46pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Disagree with some points. Use Egwuekwe for this instance. Against South Africa, if I remember right, Keshi removed Omeruo and left only one center back. This gave us midfield advantage. Egwuekwe as the only central defender, kept us solid and stopped repeated counter attacks.

Very few defenders can pull that off but here you are criticising Egwuekwe.

Egwuekwe was not even the best defender in the local league. Same with Agbim. These were bang average players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:47pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


What about results? What about achievements? Becoming one of the greatest coaches in the history of coaching Super Eagles?

I guess, you never noticed any.

Reduced the value? Like winning the AFCON and qualifying us for the World Cup.

Yes" reduced the value". Often too many nonentities in his team line-ups including handing the number 10 Jersey to a player I am sure u TheGoodJoe never heard of.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:48pm On Nov 17, 2016
tbaba1234:


Aluko was already in the national team set-up before Keshi. He was not 'scouted'... How many years of crying did it take to invite him?

Same with hope Akpan.
Who played Hope Akpan and Sone Aluko since Keshi left?

No one.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:49pm On Nov 17, 2016
tbaba1234:


Egwuekwe was not even the best defender in the local league. Same with Agbim. These were bang average players.

Thanks for the reminder of these 2 big flops. angry
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:50pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Yes" reduced the value". Often too many nonentities in his team line-ups including handing the number 10 Jersey to a player I am sure u TheGoodJoe never heard of.


I doubt you ever saw anything good in Keshi, if you felt he reduced our value. How many years were we without a title? Your problem is handing Jersey.

Not the brilliant hard work and a true symbol of sacrifice. Like coaching for seven months without a contract.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:51pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I doubt you ever saw anything good in Keshi, if you felt he reduced our value. How many years were we without a title? Your problem is handing Jersey.

Not the brilliant hard work and a true symbol of sacrifice. Like coaching for seven months without a contract.

Keshi would have achieved more.

We never had our best crop of players playing in any given game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:52pm On Nov 17, 2016
tbaba1234:


Egwuekwe was not even the best defender in the local league. Same with Agbim. These were bang average players.

Why not list his additions to the team like the current players in the Super Eagles today? Because, many dwell on challenges.

Simple.

We did not have players in top clubs at that time. That is a fact. Even Victor Moses went through multiple injuries.

You guys absolved yourself in criticisms and were not able to see the monumental hard work Keshi was doing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:53pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Keshi would have achieved more.

We never had our best crop of players playing in any given game.


Your problem is not that Keshi achieved despite working under terrible conditions. Your problem is that he could have achieved more.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:56pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:

Who played Hope Akpan and Sone Aluko since Keshi left?

No one.


Oliseh is not spared of my criticism either.

He came along with Igboun who played Aluko's position and had other ideas in the midfield by fielding Rabiu Ibrahim and at a point starting Paul Onobi over Mikel. I remember he played Chima Akas in the defense too.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:57pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheSuperNerd:
I watched CHAN... And it is what it is... African-based "local" soccer... WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "THE FIFA WORLD CUP MEHN"

Got to the round of 16 with a squad that had only reuben gabriel who hasnt had much action to come in as Onazi's replacement in that game against France.

Remember Reuben was supposed to be dropped from the final world cup squad due to some health ish but Keshi chose to reward "his loyalty" wink

What a story.... Had we had a good bench against France, we would have won. Keshi failed in that area... We lacked a good bench.


Reward loyalty. This is what I a saying. You did not see the hard work, training to get the team going toe to toe with France and France resorting to dirty tactics to win.

Your problem is he called Reuben.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:59pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Oliseh is not spared of my criticism either.

He came along with Igboun who played Aluko's position and had other ideas in the midfield by fielding Rabiu Ibrahim and at a point starting Paul Onobi over Mikel. I remember he played Chima Akas in the defense too.

I can take a criticism of Oliseh but Keshi achieved during his reign. Even during his AFCON triumph, the NFF prepared a sack letter. That is how bad things was for him.

When someone's good is better than the negatives, I think he deserves better.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:59pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Your problem is not that Keshi achieved despite working under terrible conditions. Your problem is that he could have achieved more.

Yes!

We had the quality to have achieved more!

Watch out for Rohr's achievement.
I wouldnt be surprised if Nigeria emerges the fisrt African team to reach a WC semis. wink

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:02pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Yes!

We had the quality to have achieved more!

Watch out for Rohr's achievement.
I wouldnt be surprised if Nigeria emerges the fisrt African team to reach a WC semis. wink

This is not a competition with Rohr and Rohr has better talents at his disposal due to the exploits of Nigerians in clubs in Europe. Under Keshi, things were not that way. Plus the negative support he got from the NFF.

It is ideal Rohr does better and Emma Ado commended Rohr.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 10:03pm On Nov 17, 2016
Icon4s:


Oliseh is not spared of my criticism either.

He came along with Igboun who played Aluko's position and had other ideas in the midfield by fielding Rabiu Ibrahim and at a point starting Paul Onobi over Mikel. I remember he played Chima Akas in the defense too.

Oliseh was too harsh, i believe. The attempt to be a disciplinarian failed badly. Emenike and Enyeama retired under him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:08pm On Nov 17, 2016
Reuben is not the issue sef... The issue is we had a bad/low quality bench.

Reuben was just an example of what a bad bench we had.

And yep it is "rewarding loyalty" because Reuben was not the best back-up we had for Onazi. We had others.


TheGoodJoe:


Reward loyalty. This is what I a saying. You did not see the hard work, training to get the team going toe to toe with France and France resorting to dirty tactics to win.

Your problem is he called Reuben.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:08pm On Nov 17, 2016
Napoleon55:
if Emma ado's comments is fair enough perhaps, how about Lawal's comments.

I looked through the Lawal's comment and I did not see anything negative in it. I think it was a well crafted headline to spur emotions. Definitely not what the hero said.

Lawal said we should not get carried away with the recent results. That good teams can have bad results. To me, I felt he meant that there is still a lot of work ahead.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:09pm On Nov 17, 2016
TheSuperNerd:
Reuben is not the issue sef... The issue is we had a bad/low quality bench.

Reuben was just an example of what a bad bench we had.

And yep it is "rewarding loyalty" because Reuben was not the best back-up we had for Onazi. We had others.



The issue is that, Keshi got us to the knockout stages. How do you want quality bench? Players from Real Madrid or Barcelona?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:13pm On Nov 17, 2016
You know what I mean... Reuben was not good enough quality. Even John Ogu was better than he was. Raheem Lawal was not bad either.

Have we ever had a player of Nigeria feature for Real Madrid?

Fact is our bench was no good.

TheGoodJoe:


The issue is that, Keshi got us to the knockout stages. How do you want quality bench? Players from Real Madrid or Barcelona?

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