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Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 6:26pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:All is saw was scriptural talk with you suggesting that Christianity is a panentheistic religion. If not, then its very simple. Something that is eternal has no creator. And that means your god isn't the creator. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 6:31pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Unprovable is unprovable I can't prove Zeus isn't real any more than you can prove God is. Unprovable might as well be non existent Atheism is the conscious explicit rejection of God(s) . This means no matter how compelling the evidence is , you'll simply refuse to accept .Provide the compelling evidence first na. Give me a shot. Prove without a doubt that YAHWEH created the earth/universe and everything within it. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:41pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: You don't understand . If the universe is eternal , then it is the material/physical manifestation of an immaterial God - there is a separate conscious entity which is incorporeal and there is the universe which is material . But the separate conscious immaterial entity is greater than Its material manifestation . No Christian should pay attention to this oo , I may be wrong . But AnonyNymous I hope you dig ? 2 Likes |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by raphieMontella: 6:49pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:you want to ''no true scotman'' him? 1 Like |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:51pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Was it done obliquely ? |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 6:59pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Yeah, I understand your explanation. . .it sounds similar to panentheism. Panentheism to my knowledge says that while the universe is god, there is also a remote entity separate from the universe which is also god. As opposed to pantheism which does not recognise any remote god. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:03pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: Umm .. not that the universe is God in panentheism , God is the soul of the universe . |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 7:10pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Oh. . . this was the definition I got from urban dictionary Panantheism is the belief that the universe is the physical body of God but his/her spirit is bigger than the universe alone and transcends it. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=panantheism |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 7:17pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
elskillful: Yes bro |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 7:22pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: How about Islam? How about Judaism? are they are not all about having a personal relationship with God? I think you definition of Christianity is wrong "the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices" - right definition of Christianity 1 Like |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by otemanuduno: 7:53pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
onyenze123:Now that you have known the truth, click on the signature below to see more. The God Almighty we have is not a tribalistic or personal GOD. he is God of all(yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Olorun, Ogbene are all his children). Wilgrea7, 4evergod, Felixmor(aka the foulcrier), Gboyee4fun, Jacksonville, Kingebukasblog, come and see a great deliverance here |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by UyiIredi(m): 8:05pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Seun: You are wrong. Deists believe in God, atheists don't. That's a world of difference between the two. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by UyiIredi(m): 8:14pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Seun: 1) The universe has a beginning, so it's not eternal, so something must have caused it to begin. 2) The universe is contingent on that there is no natural law that dictates that its existence is an inevitable necessity. 3) The universe exhibits fine-tuning wherein certain parameters fundamental to existence are very narrow within a range of possibilities. This definitively rules out chance as a cause for it. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by UyiIredi(m): 8:17pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
felixomor: Some deists believe in evolution. I don't however. If I thought evolution was true I would certainly be an atheist. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by UyiIredi(m): 8:22pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: God could coexist with an eternal universe. This is by no means illogical. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by UyiIredi(m): 8:25pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
onyenze123: Good. Deism is the best position on God. Deist here. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Seun(m): 8:33pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
onyenze123:What leads you to believe that God has no limits? Do you have any evidence for that? Can God create a rock that's too heavy for him to lift? Can God create a being smarter and more powerful than himself? Can God cause himself to stop existing? Now, do you still say God has no limits? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 9:18pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
UyiIredi: You are welcome |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 9:29pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
UyiIredi:Yes could co-exist - but wouldn't be the creator, unless your venturing into panentheism which is not what Christianity claims to be. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Seun(m): 11:41pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
onyenze123, I gave some examples of things that are logically impossible for God. Do you accept that God has limits? If not, pls explain why. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Brown47: 3:50am On Nov 26, 2016 |
damogul: please if reason can't explain somethings, what other method do you use to drive out explanation? folishness? |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 4:22am On Nov 26, 2016 |
Seun: "My religion consists of a humble ADMINISTRATION of the ILLIMITABLE superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our FRAIL minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, form my idea of God." - Albert Einstein. All the examples you mentioned are not logically impossible for God. It requires energy. Imagine various forms of energy we have discovered with our FRAIL mind. Scientific are working on anti matter. They believe it has an infinite energy. |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by cloudgoddess(f): 5:09am On Nov 26, 2016 |
I have no issue with deism either, but I also don't particularly see the benefit of it other than the comfort that can come with applying agency/intentionality in the universe where there may not be. onyenze123: I think this is a vastly over-simplified & human-centric outlook ("Humans make stuff so therefore a human-like living thing must have made everything" ). Yes, most of the universe is non-living, but it consists of living things that arose only after certain non-living components were first established (sun, earth). From microbes to human beings, none would exist without the sun's fusion-generated light energy and the earth's, well, earth. And water. And since all evidence we have in biology points to living things being a collection of non-living things working in-tandem (proteins, water, lipids, electricity etc), then it seems inaccurate to insist that the universe can't give rise to living things because it itself is nonliving. The universe is capable of a lot of very interesting things given enough time & the right circumstances. The potential to give rise to life under particular circumstances seems to be an intrinsic component of the universe itself, not seperate from it. "God is the power of first cause, nature is the law, and matter is the subject acted upon."I'm sure you already know this but statements made by historical figures like Thomas Paine, however influential they may have been, can not be seen as the end all, be all to certain discussions. Especially since in their time, they were lacking information that we currently have. Many, many scientists were deists back in the day that may have been atheists today if they had a more fleshed out understanding of concepts like biological & celestial evolution. 2 Likes |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by sonmvayina(m): 9:48am On Nov 26, 2016 |
God is not an entity...there is nothing in this world that goes by that name..it is just the generic name given to an abstract idea...From the little research i have done...the word "GOD" is the acronyn of the greek words for POWER, WISDOM and KNOLEDGE..These three attributes exist in us and we in it... GOD Is not a man..somewhere in the book of numbbers and Hosea... 1 Like |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by Nobody: 11:10am On Nov 26, 2016 |
sonmvayina: He is a spirit with unlimited intelligence |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by EyeHateGod: 11:56am On Nov 26, 2016 |
AnonyNymous:Do this people even understand what the Word eternal is? |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukaNaija: 12:50pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
UyiIredi: Why ? Isn't it much better to see natural selection as a mechanism used for creation by the supernatural agent - it makes so much sense . 1 Like |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukaNaija: 12:55pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
onyenze123: As a deist , you shouldn't address God as a "He" , its more of "It" . We theists (jonbellion take note) personified God because we acknowledge His immanence . 1 Like |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukaNaija: 12:56pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
EyeHateGod: I strongly doubt you understand what is being discussed . |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukaNaija: 1:00pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: I prefer to use the term "material manifestation" though |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by KingEbukaNaija: 1:07pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
onyenze123: Some muslims believe that God is not a personal God . And in Judaism the anthropomorphic characteristics of God is taken as figures of speech I think you definition of Christianity is wrong Christians accept the divinity of Christ . |
Re: From Christianity To Deism: My New Journey Has Just Started by raphieMontella: 1:10pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija:yes..but not your clay to man |
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