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Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by pazienza(m): 10:08am On Nov 26, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: Didn't read that. Another pile of Yoruba falsehood and propaganda. I think I would pass. Ankara remains an Indonesian invention, modified and re introduced into West Africa by the Europeans. It had nothing to do with Yorubas. My great grand mother lived all her life in Ogidi, and she had many "Akara" materials. She knew no Yoruba trash. 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 10:10am On Nov 26, 2016 |
pazienza: same technology, wax print! One is batik process, the other is the tie process. Both uses wax to create negatives. Even adire sef don join ankara on catwalk. After we tire for ankara we go jump back on adire now. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by Unimaginable123: 10:12am On Nov 26, 2016 |
Onijagidijagan:Abeg just keep quiet |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 10:12am On Nov 26, 2016 |
pazienza: ![]() ![]() this thread is about Ibo taking ankara do billboard. Contribute to that. Why so many pictures on one person, na wetin happen? 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by pazienza(m): 10:14am On Nov 26, 2016 |
Kagawa10: Ankara is called "Akara" in Igbo language. It's still imported from abroad till this day. " Ofulu ozu atu nkwe" is what we call it in Ogidi. Anyone can print them these days. I figure there must be factories doing the printing of those pics on the Akara scattered all over Nigeria including Igboland these days. 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by pazienza(m): 10:17am On Nov 26, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: I don't know what is Adire and I honestly don't care to know, since it's Afonja related. I only know of Ankara, and Ankara remains an Indonesian- Dutch clothing invention. 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 10:23am On Nov 26, 2016 |
pazienza: Dont worry, when we reinvent adire your billboard crazed politicians will teach it to you. You shall wear an adire with picture Ojuku on the @$$, Kanu in front, Okorocha on one sleeve, Kaalu on the other, Nwobodo on the right knee and Ikpeazu on the left knee. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 10:27am On Nov 26, 2016 |
By the way since you dont know adire, hardly you know velvet. Here it is nicely adorned by, of course, Yoruba woman. 3 Likes
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Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by Kagawa10: 10:32am On Nov 26, 2016 |
pazienza: Lmao! Akara isn't an Ibo word! As a matter of fact, we gave it that name because it's Yoruba who wore it, cos it's similar to our adire and now, we've modified/tailored our Adire to the style. Go to Ibadan and you would see several kind of Ankara made in the place! Adire/Ankara is Yoruba's, not Ibos! 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by galeiiTNA: 10:38am On Nov 26, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: Ankara is Dutch. Go back to wearing leaves that your likes wore before colonization |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by galeiiTNA: 10:42am On Nov 26, 2016 |
Sanchez01: Bini is an irrelevant, 1 state enclave |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by galeiiTNA: 10:45am On Nov 26, 2016 |
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Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 11:09am On Nov 26, 2016 |
galeiiTNA: dont make me vex load pictures of your fathers in Onitsha shortly after amalgamation. Its not pretty! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by laudate: 12:03pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
AjiereTuwo: Guy, thanks for those pictures. You just hit the nail on the head. You can see that the Igbo bride there is wearing the Edo/Bini head dress called the Okuku. Even the man beside her holding the fan (who I assume is the bridegroom) is wearing a 'danshiki', which is not even an Igbo attire! ![]() Like I keep asking, someone should show me the authentic Igbo bridal attire. What exactly does it look like?? ![]() Kagawa10: Egbon, I agree that the Yoruba have adopted and popularised the Ankara, to the extent that they can now lay some claim of 'ownership' to it. Even when the textile mills in Lagos, Ibadan etc., were running, many of them were producing & churning out Ankara fabric by the dozen. Till today, Dangote's Textile Mills located in the South West still produces local Ankara fabric. ![]() But in truth, Ankara or Dutch wax originated from Indonesia, even though it never gained ground over there. Do you remember the 'Hollandis Dutch wax that was so popular at one time? It was imported and was never produced here, even though its greatest buyers were here. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by Kagawa10: 12:07pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
laudate: The dutch wax has little different to how Adire is made. The fact that we found something similar to our style and incorporated the style to make ours look modern doesn't negate the fact that we've been practising such style since time memorial! We gave the name Ankara to the cloth for crying out loud! Dangote textile mill churning out Ankara is located in the SW, because we were the first to love it and incorporate the style! 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by laudate: 12:12pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: Wow! ![]() ![]() Do you remember the spraying of naira notes on celebrants, dancing in front of the bandstand?? ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by laudate: 12:25pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Kagawa10: Egbon, well you are right to a large extent, but like OPCNairaland stated, Ankara actually originated abroad. ![]() OPCNAIRALAND: Adire itself is a different kind of fabric, (i.e. tie-and-dye) which originated in Yoruba land. It was manufactured locally, and is still being made in many communities in the South-West, even as we speak. In fact, in Abeokuta around the Itoku area where I did a project a few years ago, I discovered entire families spanning different generations involved in the art (e.g. mother, daughter, sisters, daughters-in-law, female grandchildren etc.) ![]() Now due to the fashion-conscious attitude of Nigerian women, Adire too has been expanded to reach the world's fashion stage! ![]() ![]() As for Ankara, yes, the Yorubas popularised it and many textile mills in the South-West produced it to meet local demand, before those textile mills went out of business, due to the harsh operating environment. Now, Ankara is being manufactured in Chinese factories and imported into Nigeria, and it is still cheaper than the ones produced locally, even though their quality is not as good. ![]() At what point did the manufacturing patterns of Ankara and Adire merge? ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by Kagawa10: 12:43pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
laudate: Adire uses Wax print in order to give it the desired pattern, just like Ankara uses Wax! That said, the Dutch wax print may have been been brought from overseas but Yoruba were the first to accept it and gave it a name because it looks similar to the local we're have here! Ankara simply means different patterns/colours! Now, we've incorporated the style into our local ones and has started to produce it! 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by loopmangoat(m): 1:29pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
olaitoro:Fitting reply |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by laudate: 3:12pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Kagawa10: Well like I said earlier, I don't know when the Adire pattern of manufacturing merged with the Ankara method of production . At the time the material was produced abroad and imported to Nigeria, it was actually known as Dutch Wax or Batik. But the local population gave it the name 'Ankara.' And it was made popular by the Yoruba because of their aso-ebi culture. ![]() Different Igbo communities did not really subscribe to the aso-ebi culture in the 60s, 70s and early 80s. Everyone could wear any individual piece, or different pattern of cloth they had, to any event in those days. But since the late 80s and through the 90s till date, their women's groups started making it a common uniform for church events and community activities, with their double wrappers. ![]() ![]() However, it was the Yoruba that would buy huge bundles of the stuff and cut it into 5-yards length, to give to friends and families for their aso-ebi outfit. Such outfits were then worn en-masse to functions, celebrations and events in the South-West. My late grandmum's sister was a merchant who shuttled between the Middle-Belt & Lagos in the past, with a huge stock of Hollandais Dutch Wax (imported by John Holt in those days) which she sold to Yoruba woman who bought the fabric in bulk, to be used as aso-ebi for their family gatherings & celebrations. ![]() So yes, I agree that the Yoruba made it popular. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by ezeagu(m): 7:14pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: I really hope you're not suggesting "Yorubaland" was supplying the bulk of cotton in Liverpool and Manchester and not the slave-holding Southern United States. What we're talking about here isn't ankara, because we know that that was a result of a failed European mission to copy and destroy the Indonesian batik industry that took a turn and became popular in (west) Africa. No, what we're talking about here in general is the styling of 'aso ebi' and so on. 2 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by ezeagu(m): 7:16pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Kagawa10: You're confirming a stereotype... Wax prints existed all over Nigeria and the process of making batik is much different and more superior to simple indigo on white cotton tie and dye. Please look up Indonesian batik, furthermore ankara is printed. 2 Likes |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 9:51pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
laudate: Laudate, True statement! The Dutch producers have Yoruba to thank for where ankara is today in world market, especially when ankara is competing with silk and wool for recognition and awards in fashion styling and quality. On Ibo traditional marriage wear for women you will not find anything older than, perharps 1980, online. It is as if photography was a forbidden practice among them. Post 1980, they have migrated and settled into other non-Ibo cultures and assimilated habits and cultures of their hosts. For marriage their men dropped the george wrapper and that monotone black dress with prints of tiger, ivory and sometimes alligator, they also dropped the red knit hat that droops over the ears. Ibomen began wearing sokoto, buba, danshiki, gbariye, agbada, they now wore lace, aso oke, guinea, satin, they wore red caps on head now. For the women they abandoned their two tiered george wrapper, the simple high sleeve white blouse is gone and with it they also abandoned their simple scarf or head tie. Ibo women jewelries were mostly metal plates and ivory. Traditionally they did not wear beads. Now they dress in iro and flared arm length buba with deliciously scandalous gele, or they will dress in shape hugging maxi and with plenty of red beads. Genevive should be given credit for giving Ibo women a new cultural look. Pictures of her dressed like an Edo woman was recycled over and over for many years on internet to showcase Ibo beauty and style. She bridged the make over of Ibo women assimilating into Edo wedding styles. Thos who settled in Yorubaland bridged the gaps for their assimilation into Yoruba wedding styles and even everyday wear. You go to political rally in SE today and everyone is styled out like its Yorubaland, no sign of george wrapper, no ear drooped knit hat, no monotone black gown. If you go online you can classify Ibo pictures into three groups 1 - the dark age when they lived in n.aked.ness with metal tubes on feet and ivory around neck. The best impression is their nice hairdo, everything else is primitive. 2. The civil service years when they dressed in borrowed styles from Efik and Ibibio (tthe george wrapper, tunic, knitted hat). For work they dress in suits and tie. 3. The exodus years. Wearing assimilated styles from delta people, edo people, yoruba people. I found no clothing style in Ibo culture, whether in casual or formal, that is indigenously Igbo-grown. Likewise I cant find any non-Ibo culture that has borrowed and styled itself in Ibo traditional wears. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by IkpuMmadu: 10:38pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
pazienza: I wonder what happened to logicality 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by IkpuMmadu: 10:40pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: Is that so ? 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by IkpuMmadu: 10:42pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
What yoruba call Ankara is what Igbo call abada. O can't remember Yoruba owing Ankara that was produced by her Holland 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by IkpuMmadu: 10:45pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
pazienza: It's called Abada in Igbo land.... 1 Like |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 11:46pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
ezeagu: Yoruba was in competition with the cotton belt of United States but is no way we could match their output considering they have advantage of mechanized farming and also from Texas to Georgia is four or more times larger than the farmlands of Yorubaland. No, we could not match them in tonnage or volume. There was a treaty between United States and Yorubaland that pre-existed the one with England. US, through an agent that visited and studied Yorubaland had signed treaty with Abeokuta with the vision of resettling skilled negroes with machineries to increase output. It never happened and England took note of it and made sure that treaty was nulled to avoid conflict in trade interests. On aso ebi and styling, there is no aso ebi without owambe, and there is no owambe without aso ebi. Nowadays it is just a simple fila or gele, still, the concept is to associate and bond for blood and community. OWAMBE on its own is an INDUSTRY! In Ibadan they wear their hats different than in Okitipupa, different than Ilaro, different than Ijebu Ode, different than Offa, different than in Ede and different than in Isolo. So someone from Isolo go to party in Offa and sees their hat and its style. He brings it home and on next outing wears his hat like that. Others in Isolo see it and took to it. A person travels from Ijebu to Okene for owambe and brings back the styling of their hat and start wearing it. Others in Ijebu see it, like it and popularize it. So amongst us and our various owambes we copied, perfected and evolved the multitude of styles you see it out there. There are thousands of styles in Yoruba outfitting, some of which was short lived before it was overtaken by another more popular. If our tailors, drapers, haberdashers, fitters could all get together in conjunctiin with our socialites and catalogue the different syles in fabric, in color, in pattern, design, fitting and put all these knowledge down for posterity it would be a great legacy. In fact there are certain designs of fitting that certain fabrics are not compatible with....it will not come out right when finished. So there is calculation that goes into what the goal is what materials and skills need to be put into accomplishing the goal. In owambes the musicians are observing and have scouts that go into the party looking for people in aso ebi who they can use to promote their own brand, and they target those who are tidy (dapper) and sing their praises and force them to front in answer to the praise. So even though everyone in aso ebi, there is competition to invoke something unique that makes it dapper and earn you a praise song...or perharps a beautiful chick. ![]() So styling of aso ebi regardless of what material is used, has its root in Yorubaland and its evolution is also made possible by Yoruba but others have also assimilated into our owambe and aso ebi culture and put their own signature on their styles. That is the case with the opening pics in the thread with those walking billboards. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 12:06am On Nov 27, 2016 |
Where is pazienza, feed your eyes on these pictures. The first one and second picture you see beside the nice yummy brea.sts for good squeeze and suck and their hairdo nothing else on the girls in this Igbo picture is impressive. Look at their feet and the metal plates. You also see some ivory on them but no coral beads. The third picture is an Igbo woman taken in the 60s, (sixties) you see the george and the blouse. No beads, no gele, no buba. The fourth picture is a Yoruba woman taken in the 50s (fifties). You see she wore velvet, in different style to the one I posted earlier. For this and the earlier Yoruba woman you see the elaborate adornment with gold jewelries on ears, around neck, on wrist and fingers. It is easy as well to tell class, civilization and beauty. If the lady in second picture had been wearing english gown and not iro and buba it would be impossible to identify as Yoruba because of the setting and style....sophisticated! Im sure you heard that word before. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by MrSly(m): 12:17am On Nov 27, 2016 |
PenSniper:Ethnic ignoramus. I am sure that you never attended any meaningful education, less your teacher would have taught you that culture is dynamic. Yoruba and awusa are too dull to learn. So let the Igbo's be. They are really the smartest in Nigeria. Quote me anywhere. Even the Western world know this too. |
Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by pazienza(m): 8:42am On Nov 27, 2016 |
OPCNAIRALAND: Trash. Same pile of crap. See a pre independent Nigerian picture of an Igbo woman that was taken in Onitsha. See the those corals? Different parts of Igboland evolved differently, independent of other parts. 1 Like
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Re: Ibos Take Aso Ebi To Another Level by OPCNAIRALAND: 9:46am On Nov 27, 2016 |
pazienza: This picture highlights the problem I outlined earlier in regards to traditional Ibo clothing and style. This woman wears damask, but we know damask is not an Ibo material. She has beads but we also know thats not an Ibo jewelry. Mention damask and we know you are talking about Yoruba, mention coral beads and we knoq you are referring to Edo and proto Edo culturea. So what explains why this Igbo woman is wearing outfits that are foreign to Ibo culture? Is this another evidence of acculturation or assimilation and borrowing of foreign clothings and style? 4 Likes |
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