Urahara2:



i go collect na but u sabi say ..................

Say wetin happen?

Compliance:
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk.

Wait who are you pls. Whats your name? So you say Hardmirror was never trained as a Pastor and was just attention driven?

cc seun

Compliance:
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk.

Interesting.....

Compliance:
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk.

Thank God you have been a registered member since 2012, before Seun comes with his newly found excuse of "he just registered today and jumped on the thread".

I hope you won't be banned sha...

Buhahahahahahahahahah

Seun:
What?

LaClicKLaBenDin:


Say wetin happen?

allah talk say may i no collect

MrMarvelous:

I'm sure it has, that's why you cannot provide proof it has. You'd think the millions of people worldwide would be able to provide proof it has, but no they would go through mental gymnastics not to provide proof. You defo know the mind of this god, mind telling it to end world hunger, poverty, recession...or doesn't it love people enough to want all that to end?
I'm not asking for laboratory proof young man, that's a straw man. When someone makes an extraordinary claim of such magnitude, wouldn't it be fair to ask this person for proof? I mean if I told you I have a house to sell to you, but I can't show it to you and the landlord isn't obligated to show it to you...that you just have to believe everything in the house is working perfectly. will you take me seriously? Be honest please. That's exactly what skeptics are asking for...take me to the house, lemme see the landlord and see the house for myself. Why's it so difficult to provide independent, objective proof for its existence?
And as regards your "illustrious son hard-mirror" statement, I'd have insulted you but I don't want to be banned. But please use your head, what's my business with the dude? I'm sure if we go through the history of this section, there are some religious folks that have been caught lying and they deactivated their accounts. I personally hate lying, so I condemn what he did/didn't do...but that's the difference, just because he's an atheist doesn't mean if I see something wrong I won't point it out.

I wouldn't need to go over accounts of healings all over the world across generations from Charles Finney to Smith Wigglesworth to Kathryn Kulhman to Kenneth Hagin to Kenneth Copeland to Archbishop Benson Idahosa and the list goes on because you will explain them away but these events are in modern history and not some kind of unverifiable folk tale. I personally experienced one which is imprinted in my memory as though it happened yesterday. To deny their existence or at least abilities that are beyond human ability would amount to naivety.

God doesn't owe anybody the obligation to prove Himself. When the Jews in the bible asked Him for a sign, He declined because He knew they were asking these from Him for mischievous reasons. He said, 'a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign, but none will be shown to them except the sign of Jonah' (paraphrased).

The reason why you may not be able to see a proof anytime soon is, He has said, that anyone who would consistently and wholeheartedly seek Him, He would reveal Himself to them.

But you are not even a Christian yet so that window is obviously closed for now. The other one is that you cannot verify whether the healings in conferences and crusades are genuine or not by carrying out an independent investigation on Nairaland or in your room.

The least you could do is interview the supposed recipients of the healings and miracles but what you usually do is dismiss them all as some trick.

Hope this clarifies

Finally I'd refer you to a passage of scripture that you need to look at.

Urahara2:



allah talk say may i no collect

See your mouth... na you go lose na

MrMarvelous:

I'm sure it has, that's why you cannot provide proof it has. You'd think the millions of people worldwide would be able to provide proof it has, but no they would go through mental gymnastics not to provide proof. You defo know the mind of this god, mind telling it to end world hunger, poverty, recession...or doesn't it love people enough to want all that to end?
I'm not asking for laboratory proof young man, that's a straw man. When someone makes an extraordinary claim of such magnitude, wouldn't it be fair to ask this person for proof? I mean if I told you I have a house to sell to you, but I can't show it to you and the landlord isn't obligated to show it to you...that you just have to believe everything in the house is working perfectly. will you take me seriously? Be honest please. That's exactly what skeptics are asking for...take me to the house, lemme see the landlord and see the house for myself. Why's it so difficult to provide independent, objective proof for its existence?
And as regards your "illustrious son hard-mirror" statement, I'd have insulted you but I don't want to be banned. But please use your head, what's my business with the dude? I'm sure if we go through the history of this section, there are some religious folks that have been caught lying and they deactivated their accounts. I personally hate lying, so I condemn what he did/didn't do...but that's the difference, just because he's an atheist doesn't mean if I see something wrong I won't point it out.

I wouldn't need to go over accounts of healings all over the world across generations from Charles Finney to Smith Wigglesworth to Kathryn Kulhman to Kenneth Hagin to Kenneth Copeland to Archbishop Benson Idahosa and the list goes on because you will explain them away but these events are in modern history and not some kind of unverifiable folk tale. I personally experienced one which is imprinted in my memory as though it happened yesterday. To deny their existence or at least abilities that are beyond human ability would amount to naivety.

God doesn't owe anybody the obligation to prove Himself. When the Jews in the bible asked Him for a sign, He declined because He knew they were asking these from Him for mischievous reasons. He said, 'a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign, but none will be shown to them except the sign of Jonah' (paraphrased).

The reason why you may not be able to see a proof anytime soon is, He has said, that anyone who would consistently and wholeheartedly seek Him, He would reveal Himself to them.

But you are not even a Christian yet so that window is obviously closed for now. The other one is that you cannot verify whether the healings in conferences and crusades are genuine or not by carrying out an independent investigation on Nairaland or in your room.

The least you could do is interview the supposed recipients of the healings and miracles but what you usually do is dismiss them all as some trick.

Hope this clarifies

LaClicKLaBenDin:


Nope. Just that it's been a while since I have found you on a thread that I am active on..

Oh okay. I just created one that's going to need your two cents

Compliance:
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk.

omg!

chrmn1:


I wouldn't need to go over accounts of healings all over the world across generations from Charles Finney to Smith Wigglesworth to Kathryn Kulhman to Kenneth Hagin to Kenneth Copeland to Archbishop Benson Idahosa and the list goes on because you will explain them away but these events are in modern history and not some kind of unverifiable folk tale. I personally experienced one which is imprinted in my memory as though it happened yesterday. To deny their existence or at least abilities that are beyond human ability would amount to naivety.

God doesn't owe anybody the obligation to prove Himself. When the Jews in the bible asked Him for a sign, He declined because He knew they were asking these from Him for mischievous reasons. He said, 'a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign, but none will be shown to them except the sign of Jonah' (paraphrased).

The reason why you may not be able to see a proof anytime soon is, He has said, that anyone who would consistently and wholeheartedly seek Him, He would reveal Himself to them.

But you are not even a Christian yet so that window is obviously closed for now. The other one is that you cannot verify whether the healings in conferences and crusades are genuine or not by carrying out an independent investigation on Nairaland or in your room.

The least you could do is interview the supposed recipients of the healings and miracles but what you usually do is dismiss them all as some trick.

Hope this clarifies

So no proof then? Not surprised at all.

LaClicKLaBenDin:


See your mouth... na you go lose na

haba na, i wan collect but uncle allah talk say may i no collect na him talk say him go give me my own sharpaly very soon

MrMontella:

omg!

very Apt response if i say so myself

Lennycool:

Oh okay. I just created one that's going to need your two cents

Will check it out..

Compliance:
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk.

what you're saying in essence is that Hardmirror was never a pastor like he claimed? but there was a CCAF member that confirmed some of the points on his thread

this begs several more questions

Fool, you have been busted. You should be hiding your head in shame.

Lying for Satan ministries.

HardMirror:

Lying for jesus ministries.

Those who attended that fellowship all said that nobody died.

Seun:

HardMirror, why won't you reveal the name? Can you reveal it to me privately?


Did they say nobody died due to fasting, or that nobody died? The claim is that he died of ulcer which HardMirror thinks was caused by fasting.

MrMarvelous:

So no proof then? Not surprised at all.

you cannot get a proof sitting in the comfort of your house and typing on Nairaland. If you care enough, you know what to do

Buhahahahah

truthhurts2well:


Nobody died! Period! Whether by ulcer, cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc

hopefulLandlord:


what you're saying in essence is that Hardmirror was never a pastor like he claimed? but there was a CCAF member that confirmed some of the points on his thread

this begs several more questions

What were the points confirmed? Names?

You just read here that this same Caccf member here is not denying that hardmirror knew those people , in fact he confirms that hardmirror came to their church with chicken republic landmark. However his emphasis is now moving us away from the brother he claimed died to another part of his story. He says Hardmirror was never a trained Pastor while hardmirror started off his gist by saying he was well trained and with a pastoral certificate.

shiit just went stark nakeed right now

chrmn1:
you cannot get a proof sitting in the comfort of your house and typing on Nairaland. If you care enough, you know what to do

Alright then. Give me a name of somebody who was healed, a cripple who was healed, an amputee who grew his hand/leg back...anything. let me investigate.

MrMarvelous:

Alright then. Give me a name of somebody who was healed, a cripple who was healed, an amputee who grew his hand/leg back...anything. let me investigate.

pls both of u should stop derailing. this thread is not about your discussion.

bbfever:


pls both of u should stop derailing. this thread is not about your discussion.

Shut up.

I think we are beginning to understand why hardmirror has repeatedly said he would produce no proof!

MrMarvelous:

Alright then. Give me a name of somebody who was healed, a cripple who was healed, an amputee who grew his hand/leg back...anything. let me investigate.

Funmilola Arowolo used to go on a wheelchair but got healed and could now walk. Good luck!

chrmn1:
Funmilola Arowolo used to go on a wheelchair but got healed and could now walk. Good luck!

What town? Can you email me this person's details? What year?

Compliance:
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk.

Title driven?
I was never a member of dream center, how could I be seeking title? I came to dream center (behind chicken rep) only when I had started losing my faith in the bible. I visited pastor charles at his hospital and told him all these, told him I was losing my faith in christ. How can someone who confessed that he is losing his faith be looking for title? This is how you folks cook things up.
So I am looking for title by telling the pastor that I don't believe the bible anymore and I needed help, is that how to look for title?

Addition: go back to my original thread, I left asf at my prime. 500llevel I could have gotten more titles if I wanted title. I was looking for salvation all over again, I found none even in your church. Nothing changes, the doubts I had remained fresh, christianity still seemed all man made. It was my last effort to find salvation if indeed there was any. Get your head out of your ass. As for the dead brother. I will reply soon. Let's see what becomes of all the mockery here. I think I have realized the little mistake I made. But the brother is real and he indeed died of ulcer. Will bring proves up soon

MrMarvelous:

What town? Can you email me this person's details? What year?

I'm trying to send you a personal message but dint know how to do that. Could you be kind enough to show me how to go about doing this?

HardMirror:

Title driven?
I was never a member of dream center, how could I be seeking title? I came to dream center (behind chicken rep) only when I had started losing my faith in the bible. I visited pastor charles at his hospital and told him all these, told him I was losing my faith in christ. How can someone who confessed that he is losing his faith be looking for title? This is how you folks cook things up.
So I am looking for title by telling the pastor that I don't believe the bible anymore and I needed help, is that how to look for title?

HardMirror why are you still lying? These are you own words from your story

HardMirror:
Continuation...


I could not just abandon the faith, I had to fight to keep it alive. So from being a leader in my fellowship, I humbled myself and left the fellowship to join the Life Oasis Church (Dream Center) in Akure. The year was 2011.
Then pastor Charlse was the man pastor Olusola areogun sent to establish the church in Akure.

I believed I needed to retrace my step and be a student of the bible to regain my conviction of faith.

I became a student and disciple under pastor charlse. The church was behind Chicken republic Futa Junction.

I remember being taught fundamental things as if I was never a giant in the works of the spirit, but all that did not matter to me. All I wanted was to fall in love with christ all over again. I wanted to be taught like a child again.

I must confess pastor charlse was a great teacher. I remember how he opened his home to us and how much time he spent with us sharing the word of God with us. Nuturing us. This was despite him being a medical doctor and barely having enough time for himself and family, yet he gave it all for us.

Yet you just said you were never a member?

^^ oh boy!! This guy is a pathetic liar!
bbfever please post the link behind that his quote.

Complaince, could you please open an biography thread on the brother who came to dream center, affixing his quote to it? Please.