raumdeuter:
chic2pimp who was the better defender Sergio Ramos or Terry

I am waiting how you will eat your words with the award count this time around

Now this is actually a fairer comparison. Ramos and Puyol were the two key defenders during the spanish era of dominance. Not forgetting His performances for Real in both their La Decima and Undecima title winning campaigns. You can't go wrong either way.

Ibime:


Pique was LaLiga defender of the year in 2010, something he has not repeated since. That was his peak.

Terry was PFA player of the year in 2005 something he has not repeated since So when was Terry's peak?

chic2pimp:
Now this is actually a fairer comparison. Ramos and Puyol were the two key defenders during the spanish era of dominance. Not forgetting His performances for Real in both their La Decima and Undecima title winning campaigns. You can't go wrong either way.

So who was the better defender between Ramos and Terry, Pique and Nesta, Pepe and Jaap Stam

Since its awards we want to check

raumdeuter:




People this is an example of the hype we talk about English players. Below is an example of the so called assist for Beckham according to Lord chic2pimp. But when we looked at it on video we saw that after Beckham took a corner kick, the ball touched at least 4 other players before landing in the net. But here we are they are telling us Beckham made 2 key assists in the CL final

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Beckham too the corner, either Linke or Schmeichel headed, the ball landed Yorke headed another Bayern player kicked out Giggs played the ball in and Sherigham scored

So after Beckham kicked the ball about another 5 players touched it before it landed in the net, Yet what we are hearing is that the "Assist" is why he won the FIFA award

Leave long yarns for Wasiu Ayinde Marshall. He was instrumental in united winning that finals. A feat Fifa clearly acknowledged hence why He was voted second. He was a beast during United's treble winning campaign.

raumdeuter:


Terry was PFA player of the year in 2005 something he has not repeated since So when was Terry's peak?

And in the same 2005, Terry was voted European Defender of the Year. Go Figure!

Anyway back to Trendlonas original goof, there is no metric where Pique has more individual awards than Terry even if we exclude European Defender of the Year awards. Terry is comfortably ahead of Pique.

raumdeuter:


So who was the better defender between Ramos and Terry, Pique and Nesta, Pepe and Jaap Stam

Since its awards we want to check

Ramos,Terry,Nesta and Stam are clearly the best of that bunch. Each one of those aforementioned players have one time or another been considered the best central defender in world/European football. Pique comes last.

chic2pimp:


Leave long yarns for Wasiu Ayinde Marshall. He was instrumental in united winning that finals. A feat Fifa clearly acknowledged hence why He was voted second. He was a beast during United's treble winning campaign.

So where are the two assists you told us about.

He didnt do any more than Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Yorke, Stam and Schmeichel in the treble winning team

Thats why I say the wards are popularity contests

Keane won the Manchester United player of the year,
Yorke was PFA player of the year
yet a player from Manchester United who couldnt beat Keae at the club awards nor beat Yorke at the league awards was 2nd at FIFA awards

How is it possible you arent the best in the club, you are not the best in your league but you are 2nd in the world

chic2pimp:


Leave long yarns for Wasiu Ayinde Marshall. He was instrumental in united winning that finals. A feat Fifa clearly acknowledged hence why He was voted second. He was a beast during United's treble winning campaign.

I wonder why Beckham wont be honoured in 1999 when he was the best player in a team that won UCL and thrre was no major International Tournament that year except maybe Copa America. Rivaldo won that year based on Copa America.

chic2pimp:


Ramos,Terry,Nesta and Stam are clearly the best of that bunch. Each one of those aforementioned players have one time or another been considered the best central defender in world/European football. Pique comes last.

Pique has more awards than Nesta nd Stam combined or are you telling us now that FIFA/UEFA dont know what they are doing and someone on NL called chic2pimp knows more

Ibime:


I wonder why Beckham wont be honoured in 1999 when he was the best player in a team that won UCL and thrre was no major International Tournament that year except maybe Copa America. Rivaldo won that year based on Copa America.

How was beckham the best player in Man Utd

Keae won the Man Utd player of the year

Yorke won the PFA player of the season award

And thank God you sef say no International tournament in 1999.

So where did Beckham get the performance that made him 2nd FIFA

Where was beckham in all of these PFA or Man Utd player of the year or he wasnt qualified, People that followed Man utd in 1999 knew Beckham wasnt deserving of that FIFA 2d

Ibime:


I wonder why Beckham wont be honoured in 1999 when he was the best player in a team that won UCL and thrre was no major International Tournament that year except maybe Copa America. Rivaldo won that year based on Copa America.

Don't mind Dayo and His hatred for anything English. Dude was a beast throughout that campaign. From the Premier League to the FA CUP to the Champions League. He was superb

raumdeuter:


How was beckham the best player in Man Utd

Keae won the Man Utd player of the year

Yorke won the PFA player of the season award

And thank God you sef say no International tournament in 1999.

So where did Beckham get the performance that made him 2nd FIFA

Where was beckham in all of these or he wasnt qualified, People that followed Man utd in 1999 knew Beckham wasnt deserving of that FIFA 2d

Lampard was Chelsea POTY in 2005, but Terry was PFA POTY meanwhile Lampard was 2nd in Balon D'or.

Mascherano was Barca POTY in 2014, but Messi was 2nd in Balon D'or.

That's just how it goes sometimes.

raumdeuter:


Pique has more awards than Nesta nd Stam combined or are you telling us now that FIFA/UEFA dont know what they are doing and someone on NL called chic2pimp knows more

Pique does not have more "INDIVIDUAL" awards than either Sandro or Stam. Check it again. I can't remember any point in time anyone has considered Pique to be European Footy's best

raumdeuter:


So where are the two assists you told us about.

He didnt do any more than Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Yorke, Stam and Schmeichel in the treble winning team

Thats why I say the wards are popularity contests

Keane won the Manchester United player of the year,
Yorke was PFA player of the year
yet a player from Manchester United who couldnt beat Keae at the club awards nor beat Yorke at the league awards was 2nd at FIFA awards

How is it possible you arent the best in the club, you are not the best in your league but you are 2nd in the world

Ibime has already answered you. That's the way things work out at times i'm afraid. If memory serves me right David Ginola even won one of those awards that year. The right people win these awards the MAJORITY of the time so for me it's not really a popularity contest. If you are good enough, you'll win atleast one of these awards.

chic2pimp:


Ibime has already answered you. That's the way things work out at times i'm afraid. If memory serves me right David Ginola even won one of those awards that year. The right people win these awards the MAJORITY of the time so for me it's not really a popularity contest. If you are good enough, you'll win atleast one of these awards.

How has Ibime answered that Keane was awarded the best player in Man Utd, Yorke was best player in the league or Ginola

Why didnt Beckham win any of these? He was in the PL, He was a Man Utd player, No International tournament yet Beckham was FIFA 2nd best

Explain how that was other than Beckham was voted for non football related reasons

chic2pimp:


Pique does not have more "INDIVIDUAL" awards than either Sandro or Stam. Check it again. I can't remember any point in time anyone has considered Pique to be European Footy's best

UEFA team of the year Pique 4, Nesta 4 , Stam 2
FIFPro Pique 3, Nesta 2, Stam 1

Ibime:
Lampard was Chelsea POTY in 2005, but Terry was PFA POTY meanwhile Lampard was 2nd in Balon D'or.

Mascherano was Barca POTY in 2014, but Messi was 2nd in Balon D'or.

That's just how it goes sometimes.

An argument can be made that Messi had a better world cup 2014 where he was voted best player at the world cup than Mascherano that was why he was 2nd in Balon dor from the aggregation of his Barcelona and WOrld cup performances

How was Beckham able to win the FIFA 2nd when didnt win Man Utd player of the year, PFA player of the year and there was no International tournament.

You havent told us how Beckham was Man Utd best in 1999 when he wasnt best in Man Utd nor best in the league

It either rubbishes your Beckham best player claim or rubbishes the validity of those awards you like you put up every time without on the field performances to support it

chic2pimp:
Don't mind Dayo and His hatred for anything English. Dude was a beast throughout that campaign. From the Premier League to the FA CUP to the Champions League. He was superb

He was such a beast that Man Utd fans didnt notice and chose Keane, He was such a beast that PFA voters didnt notice and chose Yorke or Ginola

Thats an example of a player who doesnt have on the field performance to show, they hide behind rigged awards just liek Terry

raumdeuter:


An argument can be made that Messi had a better world cup 2014 where he was voted best player at the world cup than Mascherano that was why he was 2nd in Balon dor from the aggregation of his Barcelona and WOrld cup performances

How was Beckham able to win the FIFA 2nd when didnt win Man Utd player of the year, PFA player of the year and there was no International tournament.

You havent told us how Beckham was Man Utd best in 1999 when he wasnt best in Man Utd nor best in the league

It either rubbishes your Beckham best player claim or rubbishes the validity of those awards you like you put up every time without on the field performances to support it

All the players who did well can win the awards.

Likewise we could say Yorke didn't deserve PFA POTY as he could not win his clubs award.

Boateng did not even finish top 3 in Bayern POTY voting yet somehow won Kicker Bundesliga POTY. Explain that!

All you need to know is that Beckham was shortlisted for all 3 awards.

He came 2nd in both Balon Dor and FIFA WPOTY so both organisations know better.

raumdeuter:


UEFA team of the year Pique 4, Nesta 4 , Stam 2
FIFPro Pique 3, Nesta 2, Stam 1

I'm pretty sure one if not both of them have won UEFA defender of the year something Pique has never won. Also Sandro won countless Serie A defender of the year awards.

raumdeuter:


How has Ibime answered that Keane was awarded the best player in Man Utd, Yorke was best player in the league or Ginola

Why didnt Beckham win any of these? He was in the PL, He was a Man Utd player, No International tournament yet Beckham was FIFA 2nd best

Explain how that was other than Beckham was voted for non football related reasons

These awards are most times tight so they can go either way. Btw need I remind you Beckham won not only UEFA Best Midfielder award in 1999, He also won the UEFA Player Of the Year award. So according to UEFA not Dayo, He was the best player in the Champions League that year. Yorke might have performed slightly better in the league, but overall Beckham was better. FIFA and UEFA can't be wrong and Dayo right

raumdeuter:


He was such a beast that Man Utd fans didnt notice and chose Keane, He was such a beast that PFA voters didnt notice and chose Yorke or Ginola

Thats an example of a player who doesnt have on the field performance to show, they hide behind rigged awards just liek Terry

If those awards are popularity contest as you call it, David would have walked away with both the UTD and PFA awards as we all know Beckham was and still is the world's most famous footballer.

Dayo no awards was rigged.
UEFA MIDFIELDER OF THE YEAR
UEFA PLAYER OF THE YEAR
FIFA WORLD FOOTBALLER OF THE YEAR 2ND PLACE
BALON D'OR 2ND PLACE.

All in the same Year. No be joke abeg.

Ibime:
All the players who did well can win the awards.
Likewise we could say Yorke didn't deserve PFA POTY as he could not win his clubs award.
Boateng did not even finish top 3 in Bayern POTY voting yet somehow won Kicker Bundesliga POTY. Explain that!

All you need to know is that Beckham was shortlisted for all 3 awards.

He came 2nd in both Balon Dor and FIFA WPOTY so both organisations know better.

No you are not being logical, It could be Yorke dominated the league games thus he was Man Utd best player in the league thus winning PFA, But Keane had way better performances in the CL and thus deserved Man Utd player of the year since Man utd played CL + league games

Who were the top 3 in Bayern POTY? Cos I dont seem to remember such awards. So where did you get your fabrication of those tales from?

So Beckahm who wast good enough to be the best in his home club suddenly was 2nd best in the whole world. Is that what you are trying to tell us?

chic2pimp:
If those awards are popularity contest as you call it, David would have walked away with both the UTD and PFA awards as we all know Beckham was and still is the world's most famous footballer.

Dayo no awards was rigged.
UEFA MIDFIELDER OF THE YEAR
UEFA PLAYER OF THE YEAR
FIFA WORLD FOOTBALLER OF THE YEAR 2ND PLACE
BALON D'OR 2ND PLACE.

All in the same Year. No be joke abeg.

Because the club fans watch them closely compared to the coaches from Fiji tahiti who dont watch games

I will trust the opinion of the club fans on who the best player in a team is than anyone else who dont watch them closely. Unless Beckham was playing for another club other than Man Utd in 1999

E.g Thomas Muller was nominated for this years Balon dor but ask any Bayern fan they will tell you Muller shouldnt even be a top 7 player in Bayern or Germany in the year 2016. WHich is why people who know, know its all a popularity contest.

Muller is popular and will always get nominated even when he doesnt deserve it

chic2pimp:


I'm pretty sure one if not both of them have won UEFA defender of the year something Pique has never won. Also Sandro won countless Serie A defender of the year awards.

Surely Nesta never won UEFA defender of the year and the award has been scrapped for the past 6yrs when Pique was hitting his peak

chic2pimp:

These awards are most times tight so they can go either way. Btw need I remind you Beckham won not only UEFA Best Midfielder award in 1999, He also won the UEFA Player Of the Year award. So according to UEFA not Dayo, He was the best player in the Champions League that year. Yorke might have performed slightly better in the league, but overall Beckham was better. FIFA and UEFA can't be wrong and Dayo right

I am sure the Man Utd fans who voted Keane ahead of Beckham were all influenced by Dayo. They probably werent watching the Man Utd matches to see that Keane was their most important player

raumdeuter:


Surely Nesta never won UEFA defender of the year and the award has been scrapped for the past 6yrs when Pique was hitting his peak

Yh Stam won it twice. Both of them still had more Individual awards than Pique though

raumdeuter:


I am sure the Man Utd fans who voted Keane ahead of Beckham were all influenced by Dayo. They probably werent watching the Man Utd matches to see that Keane was their most important player

The Fans award is even more of a popularity contest than any awards. The Fan will simply just vote their favourite. Anyhoo it is what it is. Fans adjudged Keane to be their best whilst Uefa begged to differ.

raumdeuter:


Because the club fans watch them closely compared to the coaches from Fiji tahiti who dont watch games

I will trust the opinion of the club fans on who the best player in a team is than anyone else who dont watch them closely. Unless Beckham was playing for another club other than Man Utd in 1999

E.g Thomas Muller was nominated for this years Balon dor but ask any Bayern fan they will tell you Muller shouldnt even be a top 7 player in Bayern or Germany in the year 2016. WHich is why people who know, know its all a popularity contest.

Muller is popular and will always get nominated even when he doesnt deserve it

Whilst you trust the opinions of Fans, I prefer the judgement of seasoned Coaches and journalists. They have no emotional attachment to any one player. They simply pick who in their opinion is the best.

The Fans say He doesn't, Uefa and Fifa says He does. Who am I to judge eh?

chic2pimp:


Yh Stam won it twice. Both of them still had more Individual awards than Pique though

List the individual awards they won and let's compare it to pique

chic2pimp:


The Fans award is even more of a popularity contest than any awards. The Fan will simply just vote their favourite. Anyhoo it is what it is. Fans adjudged Keane to be their best whilst Uefa begged to differ.

Fans watch the teams every match. How many man utd matches do you think a coach of Togo will watch? Maybe just the star match alone while the fans watch every game

That's why some coaches were still voting Beckham for awards till 2010 or voting muller in a year he did nothing

raumdeuter:


No you are not being logical, It could be Yorke dominated the league games thus he was Man Utd best player in the league thus winning PFA, But Keane had way better performances in the CL and thus deserved Man Utd player of the year since Man utd played CL + league games

Who were the top 3 in Bayern POTY? Cos I dont seem to remember such awards. So where did you get your fabrication of those tales from?

So Beckahm who wast good enough to be the best in his home club suddenly was 2nd best in the whole world. Is that what you are trying to tell us?

Bayern Fans vote on Bayern website picked Muller, Lewa and Vidal as Bayern best 3 players of the season.

Explain how the fans who watch the team week in, week out did not pick Boateng but Kicker did.