iSlayer2:
Okay I'm surprised. I thought this was another avenue for NigerDeltans to come and talk nonsense. But lo and behold they're mute,the ones who spoke,spoke well. Well,as regards the question of resource control that is NEVER going to happen. Concerning the name change,listening to this people I understand their position. I don't know if IPoB leadership will move for a name change: Biafra and NigerDelta for example. Majority of us Igbos honestly do not want it changed. If 3 million of your people died for a cause you'd not entertain any talk of a name change. But I think IPoB should look into it,Biafra and the Niger Delta is the closest I can come up with

Like Trinidad and Tobago which are confederate nations

WeNigerDelta:
The answer is No. Majority of us know and accept this as the truth.
The problem that most of the people in my region have is the name "Biafra", it's been synonymous to the Igbo nations struggle nationally and internationally. They believe joining that will make them loose their identity. Since everyone would think of Igbo first when they hear Biafra.

That's the salient truth. We understand the sacrifices y'all have made in that name. And sometimes it's strikes me as unfair to suggest a name change. My opinion is the Biafra nation should be part of a Lower Niger or whatever name is decided.
If you guys truly want to quench the fear of alleged Igbo domination in "the new nation" then changing the name to one that encompasses all our struggle shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Change the name and continue speaking the truth like Kanu has being doing. And watch my people give their all for the struggle to divide this nation.

Just my 2 cents...

You are stranded at a place and its beginning to get dark and dangerous. Then someone drives along with a car and say, hop in. You say, I don't like the name (make) of your car, if you could change it, I will join you.

If I were the man in the car, I will say to you, sorry, I bothered to help.

ceaz4r:



You are stranded at a place and its beginning to get dark and dangerous. Then someone drives along with a car and say, hop in. You say, I don't like the name (make) of your car, if you could change it, I will join you.

If I were the man in the car, I will say to you, sorry, I bothered to help.

Wow. Well said. The above illustration is the reason why so many Igbo biafrans are changing their minds towards non Igbo niger deltans and deciding to go it alone.

ceaz4r:



You are stranded at a place and its beginning to get dark and dangerous. Then someone drives along with a car and say, hop in. You say, I don't like the name (make) of your car, if you could change it, I will join you.

If I were the man in the car, I will say to you, sorry, I bothered to help.

There's some sense in what he said. Igbos will eventually give up the name 'Biafra' if they expect the rest of non-Igboid Niger deltans to cooperate and join them willingly.

@ceaz4r

But like "wenigerdeltans" also said earlier, this people have been so exploited and abused that they don't know who to trust anymore. They are an abused woman.

What if they think the driver in your example is trying to kidnap them. We igbos should also listen to their fears and take it into account when we try to reach out to them.

Great thread and exposing revelation. If there is a consensus I think there will be progress. This is my take on this: can the Niger Deltans suggest a name that will be encompassing to the movement?
I will love to have an only Igboid country, but with what I'm seeing, its seems the problem is not the people but online propaganda that is driving in a wedge of trust between Igbos and the Niger Deltans.

steppin:

There's some sense in what he said. Igbos will eventually give up the name 'Biafra' if they expect the rest of non-Igboid Niger deltans to cooperate and join them willingly.

I really don't believe the name the new nation will bear is the problem. They are just changing goal posts in the middle of the game. Before now, it was 'Igbo are land grabbers'. We don't want Biafra, we want 'Resource Control'. 'Igbo man cannot be trusted'. Now it is, Change the name from Biafra to something else. We will soon be hearing, 'who will be the first President of the new nation?' Someone has even asked 'what will be the National Language?'


Seriously, this people are not serious!!

We are in a nasty situation together and we are saying let's escape together to a place. Instead of them to say FINE, LET'S DO IT!! They are there saying they don't like the name of the place we want to Escape to.' 'What language will we speak when we get there?' Watch it, someone will come here and start saying our currency should not be Biafran Pounds; it should be changed.

blues2022:
Great thread and exposing revelation. If there is a consensus I think there will be progress. This is my take on this: can the Niger Deltans suggest a name that will be encompassing to the movement?
I will love to have an only Igboid country, but with what I'm seeing, its seems the problem is not the people but online propaganda that is driving in a wedge of trust between Igbos and the Niger Deltans.

My brother look at it this way,
If you have been brainwashed for the past 40+ years by the media that igbos are your enemies and want to take over your land and oil plus your parent who you love and care about also tells you the same thing when your are growing up, how would you get rid of that mentality?

Even though igbos have lived peacefully next to these people for thousands of years, it took only few years to turn them into igbophobic elements to the point that they think igbos will do to them worse than Hausa-Fulani has done.

If Igbo were anything close to what fulanis are like, many tribes in the so called niger delta would have gone extinct even before the arrival of the white man.

Biafra: The social media republic. Lol. After una finish una republic talk for here, make una come face Nigerian Government for real life to get Biafra, them dey wait for una

ceaz4r:



I really don't believe the name the new nation will bear is the problem. They are just changing goal posts in the middle of the game. Before now, it was 'Igbo are land grabbers'. We don't want Biafra, we want 'Resource Control'. 'Igbo man cannot be trusted'. Now it is, Change the name from Biafra to something else. We will soon be hearing, 'who will be the first President of the new nation?' Someone has even asked 'what will be the National Language?'


Seriously, this people are not serious!!

We are in a nasty situation together and we are saying let's escape together to a place. Instead of them to say FINE, LET'S DO IT!! They are there saying they don't like the name of the place we want to Escape to?' 'What language will we speak when we get there?' Watch it, someone will come here and start saying our currency should not be Biafran Pounds; it should be changed.

You made a point, but if you are really building a nation that will carry everybody along, as IPOB is preaching, then you have to give in to the popular demand. Whatever that will make the movement successful should be welcomed. If that poster is really airing their mind, I think its time the Igbos stoop to conquer. Give in to their demand and lets get out of this shit hole of a .........

Victorvexz:
Biafra: The social media republic. Lol. After una finish una republic talk for here, make una come face Nigerian Government for real life to get Biafra, them dey wait for una

Ok we have noticed you now move on back to your wretched life.

Fremancipation:


My brother look at it this way,
If you have been brainwashed for the past 40+ years by the media that igbos are your enemies and want to take over your land and oil plus your parent who you love and care about also tells you the same thing when your are growing up, how would you get rid of that mentality?

Even though igbos have lived peacefully next to these people for thousands of years, it took only few years to turn them into igbophobic elements to the point that they think igbos will do to them worse than Hausa-Fulani has done.

If Igbo were anything close to what fulanis are like, many tribes in the so called niger delta would have gone extinct even before the arrival of the white man.

You are correct.... a lot have gone wrong... that is why I advocate for an only Igboid country to ensure peace.... but if there is chance for true reconciliation and understanding, I wouldn't mind if we give a hug. After all, we are all in the same shiit...

Fremancipation:

Ok we have noticed you now move on back to your wretched life.

Lol

Victorvexz:

Lol

This is dude, you can derail thread ehn... eb like say them they pay you to do it.

blues2022:

You are correct.... a lot have gone wrong... that is why I advocate for an only Igboid country to ensure peace.... but if there is chance for true reconciliation and understanding, I wouldn't mind if we give a hug. After all, we are all in the same shiit...

I am with you on this let's push for an Igbo only Biafra but also have an open door policy (based on mutual interest and respect) for any group that wants to join. I don't want to run from one Nigeria to another Nigeria. Everything has to be done with clear consensus and monitored by the UN.

blues2022:

This is dude, you can derail thread ehn... eb like say them they pay you to do it.

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Bros be logical nah,u think it's easier to get biafra than resource control?moreover,which do u think 'l benefit d SS most.

Fremancipation:


Biafra proposes a form of government where each province will have total control of her resources and only contribute to the centre.
In Biafra, smaller groups like Oron, Eket, Andoni can unite and have their own province with full resource control and pay tax to the central government.

There won't be any land use decree.IPOB had stressed on this times without number. Even Ojukwu Biafra was divided into provinces,with non Igbo speaking tribes having their own distinct provinces with indigenous administrators. You need nobody to checkmate Igbos under such arrangement.

And moreover, naturally, Igbos exist in clans that do checkmate each other, there have never in history been a period when Igbo groups United to conquer a non Igbo speaking people.


This was posted by Pazienza when similar issue was raised in a different thread last week. He captured my point better than I could.

Fremancipation:


I am with you on this let's push for an Igbo only Biafra but also have an open door policy (based on mutual interest and respect) for any group that wants to join. I don't want to run from one Nigeria to another Nigeria. Everything has to be done with clear consensus and monitored by the UN.

A great one, but for the sake of population and diversity, I'll really love we create same country.... if not for the internet hate speeches and the likes.... However, we may have to understand them and their fears before we draw conclusion..... A real ground work need to be done. Why are they against the idea? What should be done to alleys such fears.... etc. If this is done, may be the wrongs can be righted and then creating a platform for mutual understanding that will translate into reality. My opinion though.

Victorvexz:

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Snakeeyes08:
Bros be logical nah,u think it's easier to get biafra than resource control?moreover,which do u think 'l benefit d SS most.

None is an easy task but no wise person builds his future on depriciating resources. Have you checked the price of oil recently? Have you heard about the coming wave of electric cars? Do you think nigerian government would listen to resource control talk now that they desperately need your oil? What will be your fate in Nigeria when oil has no more value? Would federal government even listen to you anymore?

ceaz4r:



I really don't believe the name the new nation will bear is the problem. They are just changing goal posts in the middle of the game. Before now, it was 'Igbo are land grabbers'. We don't want Biafra, we want 'Resource Control'. 'Igbo man cannot be trusted'. Now it is, Change the name from Biafra to something else. We will soon be hearing, 'who will be the first President of the new nation?' Someone has even asked 'what will be the National Language?'


Seriously, this people are not serious!!

We are in a nasty situation together and we are saying let's escape together to a place. Instead of them to say FINE, LET'S DO IT!! They are there saying they don't like the name of the place we want to Escape to?' 'What language will we speak when we get there?' Watch it, someone will come here and start saying our currency should not be Biafran Pounds; it should be changed.

You can not just take one person's opinion and use it as a generic opinion for a region with over 100 different ethnicities. It is not proper.

95% of the people that constitute the SS today will not join Biafra. This is not hearsay. Even SS people living in the SE do not want SS to join Biafra.

Of course we can explore history but it wouldn't do justice. I'll write a little excerpt tho'.

Four of the present SS states--Bayelsa, Rivers, Cross River, Akwa Ibom, were under the old Eastern region that became Biafra. The other two SS states--Delta and Edo--that made up the Mid-West region were swiftly conquered by the rampaging Biafra soldiers in the beginning of the civil war.

None of the ethnic groups in the four old Biafran SS states were consulted before Ojukwu took their sons to war. Ojukwu forcefully annexed the remaining two Nigerian SS states.

So, you can't actually look at the SS with a straight face and ask us to join Biafra with those antecedents.

If the SS joins the SE, we'd have another Nigeria again where Igbos are the majority calling the shot and every other tribe gets to struggle over the crumbs.

But as I said, history doesn't exactly do justice to the reason why SS will NEVER join Biafra.

The major reason is economic reason. There is NOTHING the Igbos can add to us that we wouldn't get if we went our separate ways.

In fact, the SS brings more into any supposed union that the SE would.

The SS is at least twice the size of the SE, has more resources, has access to the coastal waters, amongst others. We have everything we need, and we already have a large number of ethnic groups with varying interests that we attend to; we can't add the volatile Igbo to that mix.

This may seem offensive, but Biafra will be a liability to the SS, because the demerits outweigh the gains (whatever they are).

How about Igbos fight for Biafra themselves. If you guys get it, then great.

If Nigeria will divide peacefully, I'm sure every SS state will have the opportunity to decide if they want Nigeria (or Oduduwa), Biafra, or Niger Delta Republic. Deep down you know the option each SS state will pick.

Burying your head in the sand in a blatant show of denial won't change it.

So, don't flip anything on the SS, we've had our taste of Biafra, and it sure as hell wasn't pretty.

-Lord

LordAdam:


You can not just take one person's opinion and use it as a generic opinion for a region with over 100 different ethnicities. It is not proper.

95% of the people that constitute the SS today will not join Biafra. This is not hearsay. Even SS people living in the SE do not want SS to join Biafra.

Of course we can explore history but it wouldn't do justice. I'll write a little excerpt tho'.

Four of the present SS states--Bayelsa, Rivers, Cross River, Akwa Ibom, were under the old Eastern region that became Biafra. The other two SS states--Delta and Edo--that made up the Mid-West region were swiftly conquered by the rampaging Biafra soldiers in the beginning of the civil war.

None of the ethnic groups in the four old Biafran SS states were consulted before Ojukwu took their sons to war. Ojukwu forcefully annexed the remaining two Nigerian SS states.

So, you can't actually look at the SS with a straight face and ask us to join Biafra with those antecedents.

If the SS joins the SE, we'd have another Nigeria again where Igbos are the majority calling the shot and every other tribe gets to struggle over the crumbs.

But as I said, history doesn't exactly do justice to the reason why SS will NEVER join Biafra.

The major reason is economic reason. There is NOTHING the Igbos can add to us that we wouldn't get if we went our separate ways.

In fact, the SS brings more into any supposed union that the SE would.

The SS is at least twice the size of the SE, has more resources, has access to the coastal waters, amongst others. We have everything we need, and we already have a large number of ethnic groups with varying interests that we attend to; we can't add the volatile Igbo to that mix.

This may seem offensive, but Biafra will be a liability to the SS, because the demerits outweigh the gains (whatever they are).

How about Igbos fight for Biafra themselves. If you guys get it, then great.

If Nigeria will divide peacefully, I'm sure every SS state will have the opportunity to decide if they want Nigeria (or Oduduwa), Biafra, or Niger Delta Republic. Deep down you know the option each SS state will pick.

Burying your head in the sand in a blatant show of denial won't change it.

So, don't flip anything on the SS, we've had our taste of Biafra, and it sure as hell wasn't pretty.

-Lord

That's fine my brother as long as your south south doesn't include Igbo groups in it, you can say or do whatever you like. You have my support.

LordAdam:


You can not just take one person's opinion and use it as a generic opinion for a region with over 100 different ethnicities. It is not proper.

95% of the people that constitute the SS today will not join Biafra. This is not hearsay. Even SS people living in the SE do not want SS to join Biafra.

Of course we can explore history but it wouldn't do justice. I'll write a little excerpt tho'.

Four of the present SS states--Bayelsa, Rivers, Cross River, Akwa Ibom, were under the old Eastern region that became Biafra. The other two SS states--Delta and Edo--that made up the Mid-West region were swiftly conquered by the rampaging Biafra soldiers in the beginning of the civil war.

None of the ethnic groups in the four old Biafran SS states were consulted before Ojukwu took their sons to war. Ojukwu forcefully annexed the remaining two Nigerian SS states.

So, you can't actually look at the SS with a straight face and ask us to join Biafra with those antecedents.

If the SS joins the SE, we'd have another Nigeria again where Igbos are the majority calling the shot and every other tribe gets to struggle over the crumbs.

But as I said, history doesn't exactly do justice to the reason why SS will NEVER join Biafra.

The major reason is economic reason. There is NOTHING the Igbos can add to us that we wouldn't get if we went our separate ways.

In fact, the SS brings more into any supposed union that the SE would.

The SS is at least twice the size of the SE, has more resources, has access to the coastal waters, amongst others. We have everything we need, and we already have a large number of ethnic groups with varying interests that we attend to; we can't add the volatile Igbo to that mix.

This may seem offensive, but Biafra will be a liability to the SS, because the demerits outweigh the gains (whatever they are).

How about Igbos fight for Biafra themselves. If you guys get it, then great.

If Nigeria will divide peacefully, I'm sure every SS state will have the opportunity to decide if they want Nigeria (or Oduduwa), Biafra, or Niger Delta Republic. Deep down you know the option each SS state will pick.

Burying your head in the sand in a blatant show of denial won't change it.

So, don't flip anything on the SS, we've had our taste of Biafra, and it sure as hell wasn't pretty.

-Lord

Excellent submission... though with skewed data... But what is your take on the Igboid South South e.g Delta Igbo? Do you think they will ditch Biafra to join your supposed NDR? How about groups like Omuma, Etche, Ndoki, Egbema that are Igbo speaking littered in South South.....? Are you also saying they hold the same sentiment towards Biafra?

Fremancipation:


That's fine my brother as long as your south south doesn't include Igbo groups in it, you can say or do whatever you like. You have my support.

Correct. As long as equal opportunity will be given to Igboid South South to choose their destiny, they have my hundred percent support to form their country. You can imagine the dude bragging about bringing more to the table than Igbos. If not for the fraudulent boundary adjustment the Military juntas executed against us, who for get mouth were we dey?

Fremancipation:


That's fine my brother as long as your south south doesn't include Igbo groups in it, you can say or do whatever you like. You have my support.

Oga, everybody will be free to choose.

The people will decide.

Igboid groups have ruled Rivers almost consecutively since 1999.

The present governor of Delta is from an Igboid group.

And I know the Biafra movements in the SS which are restricted to the Igboid groups in Rivers and Delta may decide to tag along with you guys depending on how deep the referendum will go (although I seriously doubt it because a Niger Delta Republic guarantees them everything and more than they'd ever get in Biafra).

It's their choice. It'd only mean that new boundaries will be set.

It doesn't and would not change anything.

The love, respect, and acceptance non-Igboid groups give to Igboid groups in the SS is an epitome of the legendary hospitality and understanding nature that pervades the SS region. So, no one would carry arms to force Igboid groups to stay. They wield enough political power to decide where they want to be.

Where there'd be a problem is if they decide to stay in the SS, and the SE tries to forcefully annex them. It will not be tolerated. But I'm doubtful it'd ever get to that extent.

-Lord

LordAdam:


Oga, everybody will be free to choose.

The people will decide.

Igboid groups have ruled Rivers almost consecutively since 1999.

The present governor of Delta is from an Igboid group.

And I know the Biafra movements in the SS which are restricted to the Igboid groups in Rivers and Delta may decide to tag along with you guys depending on how deep the referendum will go (although I seriously doubt it because a Niger Delta Republic guarantees them everything and more than they'd ever get in Biafra).

It's their choice. It'd only mean that new boundaries will be set.

It doesn't and would not change anything.

The love, respect, and acceptance non-Igboid groups give to Igboid groups in the SS is an epitome of the legendary hospitality and understanding nature that pervades the SS region. So, no one would carry arms to force Igboid groups to stay. They wield enough political power to decide where they want to be.

Where there'd be a problem is if they decide to stay in the SS, and the SE tries to forcefully annex them. It will not be tolerated. But I'm doubtful it'd ever get to that extent.

-Lord

As long as you don't in any way try to manupulate the outcome of the referendum, the best for all. Hope IPOB and MASSOB is seeing this post; urgent need to channel your energy towards the Igboid group and ditch the non-Igbo speaking area.

blues2022:

Excellent submission... though with skewed data... But what is your take on the Igboid South South e.g Delta Igbo? Do you think they will ditch Biafra to join your supposed NDR? How about groups like Omuma, Etche, Ndoki, Egbema that are Igbo speaking littered in South South.....? Are you also saying they hold the same sentiment towards Biafra?

The only solidarity IPOB has received from the SS are from these Igboid groups in the SS. Which is why protests happen in Asaba and Port Harcourt.

It'd be foolish for any SS ethnic group to believe that the SS Igboid groups do not have sentiments for Biafra. After all, of all the ethnic groups in the old Mid-Western region, only the Igboid groups were killed during the Asaba massacre.

Nonetheless, the SS has fully catered to the interests of the Igboid groups in the region. So, if anything, the Igboid SS groups are spoiled for choice on who to go with. As both the NDR and Biafra would be happy to have them.

Therefore, it's hard to say for certain as I would for non-Igboid SS groups that make up 90% of SS, that the Igboid SS groups will or will not join Biafra. It's a choice they'll have to make, and I can assure you these groups have enough clout in the SS to say they want to join Biafra without fear or intimidation and such request will be honored.

And since I'm not from any of those groups, I can't speak for them.

-Lord

LordAdam:


The only solidarity IPOB has received from the SS are from these Igboid groups in the SS. Which is why protests happen in Asaba and Port Harcourt.

It'd be foolish for any SS ethnic group to believe that the SS Igboid groups do not have sentiments for Biafra. After all, of all the ethnic groups in the old Mid-Western region, only the Igboid groups were killed during the Asaba massacre.

Nonetheless, the SS has fully catered to the interests of the Igboid groups in the region. So, if anything, the Igboid SS groups are spoiled for choice on who to go with. As both the NDR and Biafra would be happy to have them.

Therefore, it's hard to say for certain as I would for non-Igboid SS groups that make up 90% of SS, that the Igboid SS groups will or will not join Biafra. It's a choice they'll have to make, and I can assure you these groups have enough clout in the SS to say they want to join Biafra without fear or intimidation and such request will be honored.

And since I'm not from any of those groups, I can't speak for them.

-Lord

If all non Igbo speaking South South thinks in this format, it will be a win win for us all. I guess its the high time you guys quit the name calling and land grabbing tags. Its like creating phantom enemy where non exist.... after all, if both states becomes reality, they will definitely end up as neighbors.

LordAdam:


The only solidarity IPOB has received from the SS are from these Igboid groups in the SS. Which is why protests happen in Asaba and Port Harcourt.

It'd be foolish for any SS ethnic group to believe that the SS Igboid groups do not have sentiments for Biafra. After all, of all the ethnic groups in the old Mid-Western region, only the Igboid groups were killed during the Asaba massacre.

Nonetheless, the SS has fully catered to the interests of the Igboid groups in the region. So, if anything, the Igboid SS groups are spoiled for choice on who to go with. As both the NDR and Biafra would be happy to have them.

Therefore, it's hard to say for certain as I would for non-Igboid SS groups that make up 90% of SS, that the Igboid SS groups will or will not join Biafra. It's a choice they'll have to make, and I can assure you these groups have enough clout in the SS to say they want to join Biafra without fear or intimidation and such request will be honored.

And since I'm not from any of those groups, I can't speak for them.

-Lord

I agree with your points.

Fremancipation:

I agree with your points.

Biafrans and Land grabbing

Fremancipation:

I agree with your points.

Biafrans and Land Grabbing

Victorvexz:

Biafrans and Land Grabbing

See as you just dey mumu yourself for this thread. uninvited tombo fly.