Okay before y'all crucify me, I am from a real Christian family and when I was younger we never missed Church services even tho personally I always knew that once I became independent I'd seldom attend any kind of religious gathering except I'm looking for Job, babe, connections, or I just want to "show em what I got (you are a typical Christian- bat- if you deny that u haven't noticed that these are the reasons why most people go to church. The "because I Love God' reason is last on the list). A few days ago I had a religious argument with my Mom which didn't end well with her angrily calling me an atheist (typical) and me running for cover



Now don't call me an atheist cos I'm not. I have even had spiritual experiences more than most Christian bats out there and I totally believe in A Supreme God, which may or may not be that same God the Bible was talking about. I don't quite understand atheist who say theres no God because to me they are not different from the Christian bats who blindly believe the load of rubbish they are fed on Sundays. Anybody who is capable of rational thinking (as these atheists claim) would know that nothing has ever been invented or created without an inventor behind it. Name one gadget or system that exists today that wasn't invented by someone somewhere. So u see, the argument that there no God is logically moot.



I haven't read a lot of @seuns post to deduce weather he's an atheist or not, but from there few I've read I can say that I like his rational thinking, something Christian bats are simply INCAPABLE of.


I would not even bother to enumerate the plenty crap Christians SHOULD question if they weren't so gullible and blind because I understand that for most of these Christians, religion is a safe haven from their fears and anxieties. I mean it's better to tell yourself that a lie is the truth if it makes you feel better or gives you hope, isn't it? So I don't blame them. What I hate is their intolerance of people who don't succumb to these lies. Before u know it you are an atheist, an UNBELIEVER, a Satan child, a bad person, and you'll definitely roast in hell fire! Common people, how is this different from the Jihadists who cast judgement on "unbelievers"
It's just like when you say you don't believe in feminism and feminists immediately start calling you a misogynist (woman hater), a chauvinist etc. without any logical reason.


Funny thing is that Christians should realize that the same way they can easily see the CRAP in the beliefs of the Olumba Olumba, the Muslims, the Gurumaharajists, the Hare Krishnas, the Buddhists etc, while those ones cannot see it, is the same way other people can easily see the CRAP in Christian beliefs even though Christians my not see it. So stop feeling like YOU are right; everyone feels that way, which may mean NONE is right.



There is a Supreme God (#fact), but that God may or may not be the melodramatic and very insecure God depicted in the Bible. Open your eyes, bats!

I worship God, the Master of the universe, whomever he is. I may be wrong; he might be the same God. But atleast I have an open mind about it

Would Moslems treat you any better if you spoke against their ideology? Or you just choose to bully Christians and not organized religion as a whole ?

delishpot:
Would Moslems treat you any better if you spoke against their ideology? Or you just choose to bully Christians and not organized religion as a whole ?

Who cares what Moslems, Jihadists, or Buddhists would do, when the religion Im addressing is Christianity?? If you read well u shud have noticed that the point of the whole post is that all religions have the same characteristics, without exception! So christians thinking that for whatever reasons they are invariably THE RIGHT ONE, is wrong. They are just like every other religion on the planet. So no one is bullying Christianity, mister.

Charlentine:
Who cares what Moslems, Jihadists, or Buddhists would do, when the religion Im addressing is Christianity?? If you read well u shud have noticed that the point of the whole post is that all religions have the same characteristics, without exception! So christians thinking that for whatever reasons they are invariably THE RIGHT ONE, is wrong. They are just like every other religion on the planet. So no one is bullying Christianity, mister.

OK. I get it, Christianity is the subject of your attack, you do not care about the faults in others. You simply wish to pick in Christianity. Hopefully they will reply you.

delishpot:


OK. I get it, Christianity is the subject of your attack, you do not care about the faults in others. You simply wish to pick in Christianity. Hopefully they will reply you.

What a pessimistic way to view an argument. Lol. You sound like a Christian bat urself. Always trying to outsmart and evade things instead of actually addressing the issue. Just look at your two replies; nitpicking, accusations, unnecessary digression etc. Typical! Next thing is to get angry and start calling me names. Before nko

Charlentine:
What a pessimistic way to view an argument. Lol. You sound like a Christian bat urself. Always trying to outsmart and evade things instead of actually addressing the issue. Just look at your two replies; nitpicking, accusations, unnecessary digression etc. Typical! Next thing is to get angry and start calling me names. Before nko

Hahaha, why you mad, fix your face its not my fault you be judging. if only you knew. Lol. Enjoy your imagination. If you like call Christians shit and puss e nor remove hair from my armpit. am I christ that I would fight you over your writeup? Just wanted to know if You are biased in your judgement that's all
Hahaha, address what? That Christians are bats? Abegi, carry ya jallopy commot make my Bently see road pass.
Guy thinks I give two ticks about what he thinks of Christianity.
Hypocrites like you do not deserve my addressing. If you had said organized religious folks as a whole versus your points, I may consider contributing to your talk.

delishpot:

Hahaha, why you mad, fix your face its not my fault you be judging. if only you knew. Lol. Enjoy your imagination. If you like call Christians shit and puss e nor remove hair from my armpit. am I christ that I would fight you over your writeup? Just wanted to know if You are biased in your judgement that's all
Hahaha, address what? That Christians are bats? Abegi, carry ya jallopy commot make my Bently see road pass.
Guy thinks I give two ticks about what he thinks of Christianity.
Hypocrites like you do not deserve my addressing. If you had said organized religious folks as a whole versus your points, I may consider contributing to your talk.

Lol. As expected. Una go just take fight scatter the whole matter

Charlentine:
Okay before y'all crucify me, I am from a real Christian family and when I was younger we never missed Church services even tho personally I always knew that once I became independent I'd seldom attend any kind of religious gathering except I'm looking for Job, babe, connections, or I just want to "show em what I got (you are a typical Christian- bat- if you deny that u haven't noticed that these are the reasons why most people go to church. The "because I Love God' reason is last on the list). A few days ago I had a religious argument with my Mom which didn't end well with her angrily calling me an atheist (typical) and me running for cover



Now don't call me an atheist cos I'm not. I have even had spiritual experiences more than most Christian bats out there and I totally believe in A Supreme God, which may or may not be that same God the Bible was talking about. I don't quite understand atheist who say theres no God because to me they are not different from the Christian bats who blindly believe the load of rubbish they are fed on Sundays. Anybody who is capable of rational thinking (as these atheists claim) would know that nothing has ever been invented or created without an inventor behind it. Name one gadget or system that exists today that wasn't invented by someone somewhere. So u see, the argument that there no God is logically moot.



I haven't read a lot of @seuns post to deduce weather he's an atheist or not, but from there few I've read I can say that I like his rational thinking, something Christian bats are simply INCAPABLE of.


I would not even bother to enumerate the plenty crap Christians SHOULD question if they weren't so gullible and blind because I understand that for most of these Christians, religion is a safe haven from their fears and anxieties. I mean it's better to tell yourself that a lie is the truth if it makes you feel better or gives you hope, isn't it? So I don't blame them. What I hate is their intolerance of people who don't succumb to these lies. Before u know it you are an atheist, an UNBELIEVER, a Satan child, a bad person, and you'll definitely roast in hell fire! Common people, how is this different from the Jihadists who cast judgement on "unbelievers"
It's just like when you say you don't believe in feminism and feminists immediately start calling you a misogynist (woman hater), a chauvinist etc. without any logical reason.


Funny thing is that Christians should realize that the same way they can easily see the CRAP in the beliefs of the Olumba Olumba, the Muslims, the Gurumaharajists, the Hare Krishnas, the Buddhists etc, while those ones cannot see it, is the same way other people can easily see the CRAP in Christian beliefs even though Christians my not see it. So stop feeling like YOU are right; everyone feels that way, which may mean NONE is right.



There is a Supreme God (#fact), but that God may or may not be the melodramatic and very insecure God depicted in the Bible. Open your eyes, bats!

I worship God, the Master of the universe, whomever he is. I may be wrong; he might be the same God. But atleast I have an open mind about it

k

Op, I think me and you is on 95% the same page .....

Note: Olumba is Christians, just like other white garment churches. ..

The bible-churchy-daddy-mummy-Holy Ghost /Spirit Christians are the most biased, myopia and hypocritical people on this very earth. ..they are bunch of confused lying coward fearful and unstable people

delishpot:


OK. I get it, Christianity is the subject of your attack, you do not care about the faults in others. You simply wish to pick in Christianity. Hopefully they will reply you.

Maybe because Christianity has so many faults lol NWO..

True.

an atheist that says

theres no God

says so out of emotion and close mindedness

Charlentine:


I worship God, the Master of the universe, whomever he is. I may be wrong; he might be the same God. But at least I have an open mind about it

Then humbly call on God, the master of the universe, to guide you. You are on track, pure monotheism requires worshiping your creator not His creation (Sun, Jesus, Mary, tree etc).

Auki:



Then humbly call on God, the master of the universe, to guide you. You are on track, pure monotheism requires worshiping your creator not His creation (Sun, Jesus, Mary, tree etc).

Well said bro, well said!

hopefulLandlord:
an atheist that says



says so out of emotion and close mindedness

my opinion exactly. Why wud any logical-thinking person say there is no God when all evidence says theres obviously a mastermind behind creation. It's baffling!

Charlentine:
my opinion exactly. Why wud any logical-thinking person say there is no God when all evidence says theres obviously a mastermind behind creation. It's baffling!

that's not really my point though

gnostic theism and gnostic atheism are just emotional

hopefulLandlord:


that's not really my point though

gnostic theism and gnostic atheism are just emotional

oh ok. If I get you right, you're saying Gnostic theism ( as in, the belief in a God) and Gnostic atheism (as in, the belief that there's no God) are based on emotions and not logic or reason. Am I correct?

Charlentine:
oh ok. If I get you right, you're saying Gnostic theism ( as in, the belief in a God) and Gnostic atheism (as in, the belief that there's no God) are based on emotions and not logic or reason. Am I correct?

yes

hopefulLandlord:


yes

well that's another way to look at it. But I think we can use a simple equation to deduce the logic behind theism (not atheism)

If 2+??=4. What is ??. In this equation we know that there's something there because 2 plus NOTHING cannot give you 4. So even though we need to try to figure out what that ?? Is in the equation, we know for a fact that there must be something there to make the equation complete.

Similarly we can say,

If Evolution + ??= Creation. What is ??. Nothing can be set in motion without a force acting on it (Newton's First Law of Motion) so Evolution cannot just start itself without something setting it in motion (as in, 2 + NOTHING can never give you 4). Which is why theists (different kinds of believers) are always trying to figure out what the ?? Is in the equation. Some say it's God, some say Allah, some say Nissan etc. Who amongst them has the correct answer? Well that's something we may never know. But atleast you can see that they are all right to think that there must be something there, otherwise the equation is INCOMPLETE.

I hope this shines some light on things. Religion is what is Emotional. Theism (the belief that there must be a God ?? somewhere) is very LOGICAL.

Charlentine:
well that's another way to look at it. But I think we can use a simple equation to deduce the logic behind theism (not atheism)
If 2+??=4. What is ??. In this equation we know that there's something there because 2 plus NOTHING cannot give you 4. So even though we need to try to figure out what that ?? Is in the equation, we know for a fact that there must be something there to make the equation complete.
Similarly we can say,
If Evolution + ??= Creation. What is ??. Nothing can be set in motion without a force acting on it (Newton's First Law of Motion) so Evolution cannot just start itself without something setting it in motion (as in, 2 + NOTHING can never give you 4). Which is why theists (different kinds of believers) are always trying to figure out what the ?? Is in the equation. Some say it's God, some say Allah, some say Nissan etc. Who amongst them has the correct answer? Well that's something we may never know. But atleast you can see that they are all right to think that there must be something there, otherwise the equation is INCOMPLETE.
I hope this shines some light on things. Religion is what is Emotional. Theism (the belief that there must a God ?? somewhere) is very LOGICAL.

this is why its still as illogical as atheism (if you think its illogical)

we exists means something must've created us, that's what you're saying by 2+??=4

that same formula you used suddenly gets suspended when it comes to who created that "god"

you hear them use the Thomas Aquinas "proofs" aka uncaused cause, unmoved mover and the cosmological argument

all these ideas rely upon the idea of a regress and invoking "god" to terminate it

if "god" doesn't need a cause, then could it be that the universe doesn't need a cause too?

can you see how the formula gets suspended due to "emotion"? its called cognitive bias

and atheism never claimed evolution, its just one of the lies that has been repeated many times and is now being accepted by many ignorant people

atheism hasn't laid any claim to how we came about

hopefulLandlord:


this is why its still as illogical as atheism (if you think its illogical)

we exists means something must've created us, that's what you're saying by 2+??=4

that same formula you used suddenly gets suspended when it comes to who created that "god"

you hear them use the Thomas Aquinas "proofs" aka uncaused cause, unmoved mover and the cosmological argument

all these ideas rely upon the idea of a regress and invoking "god" to terminate it

if "god" doesn't need a cause, then could it be that the universe doesn't need a cause too?

wow! I like that point you made. It's deep. But I think if you really look at it, you'd notice that some things are exclusive to our world, not the universe parse. For instance, life. We've scoured the whole Galaxy but haven't found any Life anywhere else. This exclusivity is what debunks the idea that life created itself (why hasnt it created itself anywhere else, all these billions of years. Another big bang should have happened again and maybe formed Leprechauns on some random planet. Do u see this point?) If this were the case then we could say creation is random and autonomous.

But the fact that all of this is EXCLUSIVE to our world means it can't be Random. The details that surround creation shows intelligence. A very superior intelligence to the ones we have demonstrated ourselves with our numerous inventions. This is why people say it's a GOD and not just one old scientist somewhere. Do u get this point too? From the way WE create things, we know that we always have to set things in motion otherwise nothing happens. And since creation shows signs of the same "intelligence" or techniques (Albeit a very superior kind) that we use to create things, then we can conclude that just like there's a mind behind our own internet, there must be a mind behind the universe-ternet. Lol. It's isnt just random, and it is too "planned" to be automatic.


Now, whether this God was himself created is an entirely new debate. Maybe our God even has a God/creator too that he is skeptical of. Lol. Would we know? If I created some tiny ant robots in my laboratory and put a brain chip in their head so that they too can think and create, but their whole termitarium (universe) is just in my laboratory, would I be surprised if they start assuming that they all started out by some random big bang (since they cant see me and have no idea that their whole termitarium universe is just in my home laboratory)? No, I wouldn't be surprised; I'd be AMUSED because I would expect it. And thats just me, a human scientist. If I try to explain to one of the ants that my own world has giant Suns and skies and airplanes that are even much bigger than "almighty" me, the ant would be like


So since we haven't even figured out whats in the entire COSMOS or how many other galaxies are our there or if life exists elsewhere or if another big giant world exists beyond our big dark space, how can we try to figure out who or what God is?? This is why that equation stands. The fact that we are still unable to figure out or understand what the ?? in the equation doesn't mean it's not there, it just means our mathematics (thinking capability) is still poor.


I like your argument, but I want you to really consider all I just wrote before replying. Without bias or prejudice, does it make sense or not?

NinjaX:
True.

Thank you. I Wish Christians could just say "True" like that instead of directly or indirectly condemning anyone who dares to say such things even if it's their family. Attacking the truth doesn't stop it from being true, it just exposes the individual's insecurities (Ie. they are uncertain, yet afraid of their own uncertainty)

Charlentine:
Thank you. I Wish Christians could just say "True" like that instead of directly or indirectly condemning anyone who dares to say such things even if it's their family. Attacking the truth doesn't stop it from being true, it just exposes the individual's insecurities (Ie. they are uncertain, yet afraid of their own uncertainty)

You seek approval? That is not a good place to be but.... we all pass through it.
Its a shame you are biased, vindictive and in a way out to show who the boss is calling anyone a bat, a Roach or a lizard wouldn't help your soul, unless the person is directly attacking you then you can use terms to show what you think. You are Quite far from enlightenment. When you get there, you shall see the difference. Hopefully you find the approval you seek. Even though human approval is as good as useless.
I do not have interest in discussing with biased and vindictive souls that is why I will not contribute directly concerning the topic. May those like you feed your ego fat.

delishpot:


You seek approval? That is not a good place to be but.... we all pass through it.
Its a shame you are biased, vindictive and in a way out to show who the boss is calling anyone a bat, a Roach or a lizard wouldn't help your soul, unless the person is directly attacking you then you can use terms to show what you think. You are Quite far from enlightenment. When you get there, you shall see the difference. Hopefully you find the approval you seek. Even though human approval is as good as useless.
I do not have interest in discussing with biased and vindictive souls that is why I will not contribute directly concerning the topic. May those like you feed your ego fat.

Thank you. I highlighted that line where u made my point very clear in ur post. Read the OP (the first and fourth paragraphs) you should notice that I am angry at a negative ATTITUDE of theirs which I have experienced one too many times (hence calling them bats). Which, according to what u just said, is Very normal.

Please read to understand before speaking. If you think I'm seeking approval it's cos that's what you CHOSE to see.