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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:15pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:23pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
I was not worried abt Iheanacho's lack of games until i saw him against Chelsea today. He was so way off the mark. If Tottenham can give him more game time then let him move jare. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:25pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:50pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
tbaba1234: I never said a player does not need playing time. Every player wants to play. I said Iheanacho's playing time will come but I am more interested in him improving on the training pitch. At this time, he is to learn. Morata was regular on the bench of Real. Went to Juventus and was a revelation. It means, without much playing time, he improved and when the chance came to show how good he was, he excelled. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:52pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
joseph1013: What about respecting a coach who pulled the plug on Aubameyang's deal to keep Iheanacho as the number two striker. Was that not enough faith? Iheanacho will get to play because of that. Yet, you are using vegetable for a player who is seeing games at City. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:54pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: No, Morata improved BECAUSE he was given a chance to play at Juve, a coach who believed in him. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:56pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Icon4s:Was he really that bad? I heard from friends who watched the match that he wasn't impressive. I hope he puts up a fight till the end of the season before going on loan for 2017/18 season(Man city will not loan their second striker half way through the season this coming January) . We need him fit and sharp with enough enough playing time leading up to the world cup in June 2018. He must exercise a loan option next season,else he might risk loosing his place in the starting line-up in Russia. His handlers must look out for what is in his best interest. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:57pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
tbaba1234: How can you say that? It is not true. How can given a player few games at Juve improve the player? It is can never work that way. Pogba spent years at Manchester United developing. Years. Yet, you want to equate the few games at Juventus Pogba used to cement his place as a starter in Juventus. Training improves quality. Then the player needs a run of games to show form. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:02pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:If he went on loan to Monchenglabach, Everton or Southampton, won't he be training to play in such teams? Or is man city the only club with a training ground? 6 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 8:02pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: Pogba was always, a good player... Without constant football, he would not have reached the level, he is today.. Every footballer trains. If Morata stayed in Madrid just training, he might not have gotten the regular football critical for improvement. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:34pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: U almost cracked my ribs there ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:42pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: He didn't show the flashes of the Iheanacho we've always known. I remember a particilar duel he had with Moses and Moses beat him hands down with pace. His losing of the ball when City was in attacking position resulted in the counter attack for Chelsea's 3rd goal. His first touches were so poor and he often slowed down the attacking play. I have never seen him this bad. He needs to play another game ASAP to regain confidence. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:58pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
joseph1013: But come o, wetin come be Iheanacho own for the fight? Na Aguero vs David Luiz and Fernandinho vs Fabregas na him me no say get kwanta. Who Iheanacho been wan beat among Chelsea players? ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:59pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Aubameyang deal did not sail through coz of Aguero not iheanacho.Aubameyang w never warm bench for Aguero,Guardiola see this and d deal need to be stopped. On d issue of Iheanacho,well i want to tell u d Youngman is not happy not playing regularly.As a super eagle player i want him to even bench Aguero if it's possible but telling us d guy should be ok learning under Guardiola is uncalled for. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:53pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Kog45: You do not know how Iheanacho feels because you do not know what is going on in camp. For instance, there is a possibility of a clear out phase two in Manchester City. Some old players might leave just as Bony and Hart left. This will give more room for the younger players. As I said before, other youngsters are in the same position. You do not know how the training goes or if Guardiola have promised them games. So saying you know how Iheanacho feels is far fetched. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:55pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Kog45: Iheanacho is a young player with a lot to learn. For instance, Pogba never learnt how to control the midfield because he was impatient for Glory. He has the glory but missed the lesson. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:59pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
tbaba1234: I repeat, training to improve. After the player has reached close to his peak form, he can look for game time. Guardiola improved players like Nasri in a matter of weeks. Imagine the lessons a youngster will gain working with him. I did not say Iheanacho should fee happy on the bench. I said he should work very hard on improving himself. This is the time to learn and raise his game. When he is up there in quality, he can seek playing time. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:05pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: There is a fusion between training and match time playing. It's impossible to replicate the intensity, ferocity, pace and adrenalin rush that you get in a match compared to a training session. Pogba left Man U never really given a chance even then we knew him to be the best player there. He went from youth football straight into the first team at Juve, no pause. In all honesty if he had stayed at Manchester United playing youth football he would NOT HAVE PROGRESSED into the world class players he is now. You train but you need the intensity of a match environment to bring the perfection and exceptional QUALITY needed to be a top player. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:07pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: It is tiring when you ask the same question I answered back, something I am sure you read. Guardiola has a history of making players get better. We are talking of even top players. A player like Messi who was among the best in the World. How many coaches can improve a player at such level. Most you guys keep talking about is game time. There is more to improving a player than game time. Guardiola even changed Messi's diet. Came up with complex passing drills to improve build up play. In turn, made Mess sharper. I said, Iheanacho should work with a coach who has the science of improving players. After that, I see him becoming top quality. The coaches at Everton and Monchengladbach do not have that history. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:12pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
komekn: I wonder where you got such. Pogba was to play the season he left Manchester United. After some time, Sir Alex Ferguson opted to bring Scholes back from retirement. I was among those who felt Ferguson was wrong bringing Scholes back, instead of making Pogba a regular starter. Those who followed Pogba's development believed he was ready and Pogba was right leaving. Today, after years down the line, Pogba is at Manchester United and he can not control the midfield. That was why Sir Alex Ferguson brought back Scholes. It was an opportunity for the young man to learn. Pogba's eagerness for glory made him miss a valuable lesson. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:25pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Sometimes the politics of football and manager player relationship may not be in the best interest of a player. I see Sakho training and playing with the U23's at Liverpool, former captain of PSG bought for £18million a guy with 28 caps for France. It tells you that football is an up and down thing takes resilience, perseverance and of course discipline to make it. Sometimes it's just time to move on, if things don't look like they are going to work out. Again it could be an option to fight for your place. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:31pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
komekn: So to you, four months is enough time to move on. Please, Iheanacho has a lot to learn before you talk of moving on. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:34pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:At what stage should Iheanacho pull the plug and hand in a loan request? What is the duration of apprenticeship you think it's enough for Kelechi learning from Guardiola in training? Serious question. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:37pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: Same thing I said. At the moment, Iheanacho still has a lot. He should spend time walking with Guardiola. I believe a year or two in, he would have learnt alot. Not, all. By that time, he might have regular playing time or can leave in search of a club. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 10:42pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: One or Two years sitting on the bench and he might never reach his potential. The boy needs a full season of regular weekly football to reach where he needs to be. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:45pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:I don't think Pogba lost a valuable lesson not playing with schooles. At Juve he played alongside Pirlo who held his hand. Pirlo is no slouch. The thing with Pogba is that he is not a midfield controller, he will never be, because he's not wired to sit and just spray passes across the park. He's a guy who simply dominates the midfield with his energy and wins battles in a b2b role. If schweinsteiger was 26yrs old, pairing him with Pogba would have been a match made in heaven. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:47pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Icon4s:It's not a laughing matter oh. Sometimes, I don't understand TheGoodJoe. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:01pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: There is a big difference playing alongside someone and sitting down to watch and study the person. When Pogba played/trained at Juventus, Pirlo was controlling. Do you think Pogba will sit and study Pirlo during that phase. At City, Patrick Vieira took Emery Huws to the Etihad to sit with him and watch Sergio Busquets play. It takes a lot to get that. Huws after the game said Busquets was amazing. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:02pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Sitting on the bench for 2 years won't stagnate him? I remember Serge Gnarby's case at Arsenal. For the better part of 2years he was not playing due to injuries and bad loan spell with Tony Pulis at West Bromwich. The young man stagnated and people quickly forgot about him. The DFB pushed for his return to Germany and so far this season with a decent run of games for Wolfsburg, he's a full Germany international and one of the hottest prospects in the Bundesliga with more than 5goals to his name. Truth is that young players stagnate when they are starved of games between the ages of 21-23. Another example is Adama coulibaly at Middlesbrough,who was hands down the most talented player from his set from the Mestaila academy. The guy stagnated over the past few seasons due to injuries and bad loan spells at Aston Villa and the like. This seasons with the proper environment at Middlesborough with Karanka, he has simply been unplayable. Iheanacho shouldn't wait to stagnate for 2 years sitting on the bench before he pushed for first team football elsewhere. Many talented young players haven't come back from such draw backs. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:07pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: Shweinstiger can shot, play box to box, bringing in energy to the game with his work rate. Apart from Pogba being more skillful than Shweinstiger, Shweinstiger can do most of what Pogba can do but, Shweinstiger can control the game. It was a lesson Pogba missed. He would have studied Scholes, worked on improving his controlling the game skill with Ferguson who watched Scholes grow as a midfielder. Who best to teach Pogba than Sir Alex Ferguson. Unfortunately, the kid was too eager to shine and today it is accepted that Pogba can not control the midfield. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:08pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: It seems you have not seen Iheanacho play a game for City this season. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:16pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
goldfish80: The scenario of Gnabry you are painting flaws your point when you add he stagnated after a loan spell. I thought you want me to believe that a loan spell is the right option? Is it not Victor Moses that went on repeated loan spells and the coaches treated him like thrash. Giuseppe Rossi went on loan to Newcastle and the coach just dumped him on the bench. I have said it again, Iheanacho is young. He will get playing time. What Iheanacho needs now is to keep learning to understand the system. |
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