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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 6:50am On Dec 06, 2016 |
AdisaOwala: Oga, the English involved is not that involved to understand. You see what I did there? I used involved twice in different contexts and both hold up perfectly in English. The synopsis of it all is, a great player can be rated far greater than he is supposed to be hence, the term OVERrated. If an award is introduced termed "greatest striker ever" and people are asked to vote but somehow Aguero wins the poll. We can safely say that award overrates him. In other words, we may accept that Aguero in his prime has been nothing short of lethal, but for any one to stretch it that far into naming him the greatest striker of all time will be overdoing it. Conclusively, if we are to critically examine Kaka as a player from when he was adjudged best player in the world to when he petered out, it will appear that the WPOTY 2007 that he won perhaps overrated him. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by AdisaOwala: 7:40am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: Last time I checked, nobody implied that Kaka is the greatest attacking Midfielder of all time so I really don't get this your "Apples vs Oranges" comparison. Which poll would even rate Aguero as the Greatest Striker ever liveth? Maybe you should relax, take a deep breath & follow the Convo from the beginning... Eruditor: Oga - 'Overated' in this context means he probably didn't deserve to win a WPOTY award or that he wasn't one of the best players in the world for the 3-4 years wey him take reign......an assertion that's clearly false! As for his decline, it was hardly his fault... He might have struggled in his debut season at Madrid but the injury(8months) he copped at the begining of his 2nd season literarily ended his career ! There was no way a 28 year old was gonna return to blistering form & fitness after such a lengthy layoff so I really don't get what you are on about. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 8:16am On Dec 06, 2016 |
AdisaOwala: You even get time bros. The way people jump into convos to start chatting rubbish is alarming. You should read what one of em up barka boiz spewed earlier,all dayo, with no substance. My belle they turn me for here... ![]() |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by patrickmuf(m): 8:37am On Dec 06, 2016 |
TRendlona:When it comes to Kaka, you start placing him side-by-side with other greats of the game, if we compare Boateng to Baresi, Beckanbeaur, Puyol, Maldini, Nesta etc he would look below average and you'd likely get beat for such foolish comparison. 5 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Pataki: 8:56am On Dec 06, 2016 |
airmark: My English teacher 'thought' me, we should always use "it" for an animal. Ajakaja40 aka 'Excel guguru' is an irascible animal. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:00am On Dec 06, 2016 |
patrickmuf: While the originators of this line of logic or thinking are finding it tough to defend ,you have one 'up barka fan' wanting to do it for them.... ![]() |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by patrickmuf(m): 9:09am On Dec 06, 2016 |
diggz:Seriously, a size-able number of Barcelona fans are emotional and childish...So because the main players on this thread are quick to support Laliga and Barcelona when Airmark is on rampage on their thread, he obviously thinks it's sane to return the favor even when the point his "imaginary allies" are defending is one that doesn't hold sway...It's a pity. 4 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 9:11am On Dec 06, 2016 |
AdisaOwala: You are smarter than groupie trolls want to make you out to look. Perhaps, you are the one who needs to pace yourself. If Kaka is being compared to previous WPOTY winners, he probably is OVERrated. That's the argument- not whether he is great or one of the best of his time. As you can see your definition of overrated is what is clearly wrong as you have made it out to mean that A40 is arguing that he wasn't one of the best players in the world at the time. That's an argument only you are making. When the British media in 2004 started saying the English team could win the world cup (in 06) because of Rooney they were overrating him. That doesn't mean that he wasn't "one of the best players of the time". Frank Lampard said Mou would get into the dressing room circa 04/05 and tell him he is the best player in the world. Frank knew it was all a confidence booster because he knew he wasn't the best. Mou was overrating him. Doesn't mean Frank was not one of the best in the world. He was. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 9:11am On Dec 06, 2016 |
diggz: Bruh I just weak. I had initially typed a lengthy reply to that Barka fan but I just decided to ignore him. His post was was just waffle with literally no substance. The other poster thato just jumped in aggressively like a frog on energy drinks is pretty much the same. Posting for the sake of it or maybe just so he test his keyboard. Despite the premise and context of the argument being set at least 2 days ago, he's coming to talk about hypothetical contexts that nobody even mentioned. Where do they even find these people? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by weedtaker: 9:13am On Dec 06, 2016 |
daya can influence people sha, see as dat "up barka" guy just write rubbish to defend him lord nd master logic. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 9:22am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: I know it maybe hard for you to read, but A40 did not call Kaka overrated in comparison to any other player... Go back to the beginning and see the criteria he gave for deciding who is overrated before you come here to talk bollocks. When the British media in 2004 started saying the English team could win the world cup (in 06) because of Rooney they were overrating him. That doesn't mean that he wasn't "one of the best players of the time This is such a stoopid thing to say. The Media were saying Messi could win the world cup in 2014, Copa in 2015 and 2016 because they were overrating him too. Frank Lampard said Mou would get into the dressing room circa 04/05 and tell him he is the best player in the world. Frank knew it was all a confidence booster because he knew he wasn't the best. Mou was overrating him. Doesn't mean Frank was not one of the best in the world. He was Oponu leleyi o. So a manager talking in private to his player, (who just so happened to be voted the 2nd best player in the world during the period you mentioned) is considered overrating.... Where do they find you people? Don't reply please.. 8 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:23am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Nihilist: The first one is the main culprit here! Always waiting on the side to feast on dayos vomit.. Go check most of this guys post,no single original line of thoughts....Him follow follow na eyesore and my belle dey always turn after reading his gibberish. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:25am On Dec 06, 2016 |
patrickmuf: Azzzin ......u go fear fear na! Na corner eye I dey use look dem. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:30am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Nihilist: Bros you are wasting your time with this one..,...na olodorabata blowing grammer upandan! |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 9:36am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Nihilist: Don't worry I have noticed you. It is not my time you will waste. I will argue my ability to read with you on NL because life begins and ends here. This information I am giving is free of charge and what you choose to do with it is your prerogative: I have no horse in this race. I came to explain to Adisa how someone can be great and still be overrated. As for your illogic on media and Messi I am guessing that Messi had not won several WPOTY awards compared to a fledgling Rooney? If someone is not the best in the world (by any standard) but you claim he is, are you not giving him more credit than he deserves? The English word for that is overrating. See how you used "stoopid", "bollocks" "where do they pick this people from?" to qualify someone's posts or his person who didn't attack or even mention you. In the same breath you were throwing shades at those who jump into conversations and accusing another person of waffling. Hahaha Jokes for centuries. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 9:52am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: You clearly cannot read. Not only did you miss the premise of original discussion, you must have missed AdisaOwala's response to you here: Last time I checked, nobody implied that Kaka is the greatest attacking Midfielder of all time so I really don't get this your "Apples vs Oranges" comparison. Not only was your so called information unrequested, it is completely irrelevant to the discussion in its entirerty because you have missed the point so spectacularly. I will tell you again, go back to the beginning and READ.
Chai this one is daft. You are the same person who Rooney was one of the best players at the time yet was overrated because he did not win a competition he was predicted to. Messi is also one of the best players around and did not win the competition- by your own useless definition he is overrated. See how you used "stoopid", "bollocks" "where do they pick this people from?" to qualify someone's posts or his person who didn't attack or even mention you. In the same breath you were throwing shades at those who jump into conversations and accusing another person of waffling. Hahaha This is why we said you should go back and READ. If you did so, you will realise that you are the one who jumped into a Conversation that A40 AdisaOwala and I were having that started a few days ago... The more you talk, the more stoopid you appear. READ nigga READ! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by AdisaOwala: 9:58am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: That is the argument you made for yourself - not me.... The fact that great players players like Figo, Rivaldo, Shevchenko Nedved etc cannot be compared to the likes of Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo etc doesn't make them Overated - it's a relative thingy. If Kaka deservedly won a WPOTY award & was one of the best players in the world for a stipulated period, why should the issue of him being Overated crop up when he was never compared to players that might be superior to him in the 1st place? Eruditor: What is this again? Wetin concern British hype & 'player Confidence boosting' (Typical of Mourihno) with the matter on ground? Were those players ever rated beyond their abilities by appropriate Footballing bodies? You really need to go back and read the genesis of everything cos bruh - you are really posting off point! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 10:05am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Pataki: a40 don suffer. ![]() Eruditor: ![]() ![]() ![]() Clowns everywhere. They tagged something wpoty 2007 and not 2007+ and you said it overrated him. So the award should not be given to someone who would not shine in subsequent years? How did we get here for christ sake? The same kaka that bossed everybody in 2006/2007. Man, wpoty has nothing to do with failure to impress subsequently. That year award was well-deserved. diggz: what club is he supporting? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 10:08am On Dec 06, 2016 |
airmark: Up barka |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 10:10am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 10:19am On Dec 06, 2016 |
AdisaOwala: Don't borrow their agbero style. You started civil keep it civil. I have no reputation to protect on nairaland. 1. If you say it is a relative thingy then what right do you arrogate to yourself to decide whether being great precludes being overrated. Again, I am saying that is my area of concern. 2. The issue of him being overrated can still come up within the ambits of him getting more credit than he deserves as well as when he is juxtaposed with other previous WPsOTY. If A40 makes a claim, he is allowed to set the limits of his claim. If he did so WRT comparing Kaka to other WPsOTY, then I agree with him. 3. Haba, how can you intentionally miss the point about those examples? All I am saying is, in those examples, the media and Mou were giving the respective players more credit than they deserved. In A40s case, Kaka being adjudged WPOTY in 07 was an overestimation. "Appropriate bodies" is moot. It is still subjective voting that is done. 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 10:29am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: Do you support this f00lish opinion ? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:32am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Nihilist:Why not tell us where you saw Argentina struggle in Copa 16 and the 2014 WC. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:35am On Dec 06, 2016 |
diggz:Omo you go wait tire oh. Its still evident people don't even understand what overrated means so why should I waste kilojoules when the fundamentals have not even been understood 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by AdisaOwala: 10:35am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: Point out the 'uncivil' thing in that last post of mine.. Eruditor: Mr Eruditor Obahiagbon, your big words wouldn't mask the fact that you Speaketh completely off tangent...as far as this convo is concerned sha... Eruditor: Hahaha Where exactly did he make this comparison? Did you read his posts at all? Eruditor: This is exactly what I wanted to see... Oya tell us who shoulda won it instead. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:37am On Dec 06, 2016 |
A40: The Copa 16 one was a mistake. I copied and pasted the same line of for 15. Argentina still lost to an underdog in the Finals so.... |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 10:37am On Dec 06, 2016 |
airmark: Your logic is sound but your intentions, iffy. It must not be an airmark vs A40 argument all the time. I can accept that Porto were crowned UCL winners of 04 and still feel that even within that year winning the UCL (and by extension being adjudged best team in Europe) was over -deserving. Same way I can accept that Kaka was crowned WPOTY in 07 and still feel it overrates him. If I choose to make my argument based on the quality of previous and subsequent winners of the same award I am not out of place whether the sport section bellicose crew agree with it or not. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:40am On Dec 06, 2016 |
TRendlona:When someone is asking me how a player can be good yet overrated is there any point arguing with such person? If I say Kanye West or Wizkid are overrated does it mean they are not good? That is why I said we should interact in pidgin. Since English is proving tedious 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:42am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: If you could read, you will see that the 'bellicose crew' don't agree with you because you are arguing points thar nobody made. This was a discussion about a specific set of parameters that A40 defined. I have told you to go back and read. AdisaOwala has told you to go back and read. I'm sure even A40 will tell you to go back and read. You are arguing with yourself and that's just stoopid. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:43am On Dec 06, 2016 |
SIRcumalot:Go and check how many points Milan used to finish behind the league winners. It is a very legit cane that can be used to flog Kaka. They won but did they dominate? 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:45am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Nihilist:Story for the gods. . . |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 10:48am On Dec 06, 2016 |
Eruditor: Porto won 2004 ucl because they were the best that season, whether you like it or not. feeling they didnt deserve it could only be reasonable, if other opponents had plane crashes and porto were presented the cup without kicking a ball. May be they were pushed by referees' decisions all the way, you should tell us. There's a reason they called it wpoty 07 and not wpoty of 2007 to 2015. If you extend the dragnet, then it's unfortunate. You should even tell us who deserved to win it that year. 1 Like |
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