A40:

Your problem is you assume a lot. You think you know but you have no idea. What part of my response to Adisa suggested I was unaware he was a passenger? This is information readily available on google. What made you think I didn't know this?

A40 my man!

What's popping...

Can you please explain what point you were trying to make when you said this to AdisaOwala?

A40:

You do know Kaka has a WC medal right?

*Switches on Vybz Kartel - Bike Back*

AdisaOwala:


Good Lord - I love Nairaland

So if you were asked to list top 10 female musicians all time you would include Madonna? Tell me, let me know your poor taste cuts across everything

airmark:


Better. Kaka won serie a player of the year award, voted by his colleagues with 8 goals and 7 assists. Just like iniesta won laliga award in 2009 with 4 goals and 8 assists. Kaka wasn't the main striker, he played behind inzaghi, oliviera, gillardino, his all-round performances as a midfielder impressed his colleagues and was voted for. In a40's words :

That very same season, Totti scored 26 goals and had 9 assists (Top scorer and Top assist man). His team AS Roma also finished in 2nd position whereas Kaka's team finished 4th. BTW Kaka had 6 assists that season not 7 he was 15th on the assist log.

Totti had a stronger case to be the Serie A player of the year according to the very same stats some other person on this thread wanted to use against Cristiano. Can we now conclude that Kaka finishing above Totti, flattered his performances in Serie A that year? What that translates to is that Kaka got more credit than his performances deserved. Which means he was overrated that season in Serie A in this context.

@Iniesta, I don't know the year you are referring to for Iniesta. In 08/09 and 09/10 Messi was the LFP player of the year and he had more goals and assists combined than any other player whose team won a title. So Iniesta would not have deserved it had he won it those years- in fact, winning it would have overrated his contributions to Barca's success those years (at least when compared with Messi)- and thank heavens he did not.

So Kaka did not win a league title. Nor did he win the cup. However, he won the UCL. Sneijder won the cup, league and UCL as well as getting to the final of a WC. Since, Mou who was Sneijder's coach at the time was adjudged coach of the year, yet his best player, Sneijder, wasn't adjudged WPOTY. Can we agree that whoever won that title that year did not deserve to win it? In other words, Messi winning the WPOTY 10/11 was overrating his achievements that year (even if Messi received more votes than Sneijder)

From the fore-going can we conclude that a player's achievements for a year could be overrated even if the said player is great the best, just like Messi was in 10/11?

1. So why is it flawed for anyone to say a player could be great and still be overrated?

2. Why is it 'flawed' for anyone to say Kaka was overrated in 07 when he only performed spectacularly in 1/3 tournaments that he featured in said season?

NB: I am here because some people said anyone who makes both claims is waffling. I am showing you how someone can make both claims (which you don't need to agree with) but it does not mean the person is wrong.

Nihilist:


A40 my man!

What's popping...

Can you please explain what point you were trying to make when you said this to AdisaOwala?


*Switches on Vybz Kartel - Bike Back*

Illusionista. Tell us who had the better and more decorated squad between 2006 England and 2014 Argentina

A40:

So if you were asked to list top 10 female musicians all time you would include Madonna? Tell me, let me know your poor taste cuts across everything

But if we don't mention Madonna, who else would we mention?

Sasha? Weird MC?

A40:

Illusionista. Tell us who had the better and more decorated squad between 2006 England and 2014 Argentina

See deflection again tori olorun.

Can you not stand by any of your own words?

Nihilist:


But if we don't mention Madonna, who else would we mention?

Sasha? Weird MC?

Rihanna.. Nicki minaj.. missy Eliot.. ciara

Eruditor:


That very same season, Totti scored 26 goals and had 9 assists (Top scorer and Top assist man). His team AS Roma also finished in 2nd position whereas Kaka's team finished 4th. BTW Kaka had 6 assists that season not 7 he was 15th on the assist log.

Totti had a stronger case to be the Serie A player of the year according to the very same stats some other person on this thread wanted to use against Cristiano. Can we now conclude that Kaka finishing above Totti, flattered his performances in Serie A that year? What that translates to is that Kaka got more credit than his performances deserved. Which means he was overrated that season in Serie A in this context.

@Iniesta, I don't know the year you are referring to for Iniesta. In 08/09 and 09/10 Messi was the LFP player of the year and he had more goals and assists combined than any other player whose team won a title. So Iniesta would not have deserved it had he won it those years- in fact, winning it would have overrated his contributions to Barca's success those years (at least when compared with Messi)- and thank heavens he did not.

So Kaka did not win a league title. Nor did he win the cup. However, he won the UCL. Sneijder won the cup, league and UCL as well as getting to the final of a WC. Since, Mou who was Sneijder's coach at the time was adjudged coach of the year, yet his best player, Sneijder, wasn't adjudged WPOTY. Can we agree that whoever won that title that year did not deserve to win it? In other words, Messi winning the WPOTY 10/11 was overrating his achievements that year (even if Messi received more votes than Sneijder)

From the fore-going can we conclude that a player's achievements for a year could be overrated even if the said player is great the best, just like Messi was in 10/11?

1. So why is it flawed for anyone to say a player could be great and still be overrated?

2. Why is it 'flawed' for anyone to say Kaka was overrated in 07 when he only performed spectacularly in 1/3 tournaments that he featured in said season?

NB: I am here because some people said anyone who makes both claims is waffling. I am showing you how someone can make both claims (which you don't need to agree with) but it does not mean the person is wrong.

My gee I don tell you make you no too waste your time with these guys. Imagine a full grown adult asking me how a good or great athlete can be overrated. Truly many are mad but few are roaming

A40:

My gee I don tell you make you no too waste your time with these guys. Imagine a full grown adult asking me how a good or great athlete can be overrated. Truly many are mad but few are roaming

You should not have mentioned me oh. They said you were ignoring me. What else will they use to insult me now?

The highlited part is so true and funny

Emaprince:
Rihanna.. Nicki minaj.. missy Eliot.. ciara

I never see this kain thing for my life before

Nihilist:


See deflection again tori olorun.

Can you not stand by any of your own words?

Till you defend your lie of Lennon and Wayne Bridge being core members of the England squad in 06 please believe I'm not doing any debates with you

A40:

Till you defend your lie of Lennon and Wayne Bridge being core members of the England squad in 06 please believe I'm not doing any debates with you

40 baba - I don dey ask you about Raul but you no gree answer oh..

Maka why?

Nihilist:


But if we don't mention Madonna, who else would we mention?

Sasha? Weird MC?

They said person dey overrated you are posting article from Wikipedia. Smh

So to you Madonna is the greatest female musician of all time? I'm crying fam. Na people like you go rate Nelly and Will Smith over Nas

A40:

Till you defend your lie of Lennon and Wayne Bridge being core members of the England squad in 06 please believe I'm not doing any debates with you

LMAO

When did I say Lennon and Wayne Bridge were core members of the England Squad?

Why you always lying bro?

Why?!

A40:

They said person dey overrated you are posting article from Wikipedia. Smh

So to you Madonna is the greatest female musician of all time? I'm crying fam. Na people like you go rate Nelly and Will Smith over Nas

Na wa o.

So Madonna resemble rapper to you?

Or you want to start checking Madonna's bars

What is wrong with this guy sef? A40 wait you dey joke or what?

Oya list your criteria, and explain how Madonna does not make any top 10 female artist list of all time.

A40:

They said person dey overrated you are posting article from Wikipedia. Smh

So to you Madonna is the greatest female musician of all time? I'm crying fam. Na people like you go rate Nelly and Will Smith over Nas

What exactly have they achieved in their musical careers wey you take use the boldened as examples in comparison to a rapper who is generally considered as one the greatest hip Hop artists of all time (in your bid to mock Nihilist's post)?

Nihilist:


Oh so you know this one now...

But you didn't think about this when you were asking England with Paul Robinson, Wayne Bridge and Aaron Lennon to dominate like the dream team of 92 no?



Stand by your words like a man.

Lucious Lying. Less than 24 hours you are already denying your words like Simon Peter denied Jesus

A40:

You have name dropped like 35 NL users now. Yet I am the one that can't stand alone. You are a fvcktardious cretin

Let me just help your illiterate condition. At least it is clear to all and sundry now that even an Almajiri comprehends English better than you.

First and foremost being overrated does not make you terrible and bad at what you do. It just means you might have been rated a wee bit higher than what you really are.

I'm a boxing fan and I can tell you for example that Oscar De La Hoya was mad overrated. Does that mean he wasn't good or a great? Throw in Shane Mosley too

Madonna is overrated. Does that mean she isn't a great? Lil Wayne overrated. Does that mean he sucked?

Football fans label Wenger overrated. Does that mean he is a bad manager.

People call Pep overrated, Even Apoche cra cra thinks Busquets is overrated but only a total ret@rd would doubt he would go down as one of the greats at his position

Its embarrasing that I even have to explain this to anyone who spent 1 year in the four walls of a classroom. You are a crying disgrace

You are highly irresponsible and infinitely dense! Trying to tie your ridiculous level of f00lishness to my knowledge of English clearly shows why your are commonly referred to as the animal or it, of this board..,....

Modafvcker! How is it even humanly possible for one to 'blow' plenty grammar, yet can't make a single sense? Please, keep all your rubbish explanations till you attend the meetings of your fellow village Apes bcuz you are punching above your weight here.

I have told you repeatedly, You are extremely daft! Trying to twist your sorry azzz out of this won't help you. Except you are blind or can't read, I am sure you must have seen some of the 35NL monickers questioning your level of sanity..... Olodorabata oshi.....

Oga Overrated sombori, kindly tell us how one can be referred to as good and a great but overrated.

For someone who claims to have a better understanding of English language, you seem lost in your steeewpidity.

You can't even believe you claimed one can be good and a great yet overrated,so you moved on to being good or a great yet overrated. That didn't put ur wayward mind at ease so you quickly changed your lines to being good yet overrated or being a great yet overrated. Please,can you tell us why you seem confused?

Even after years of mentoring and tutoring ,you still can not make your God(dayo) proud! Everyday you login to NL,you descend into another level of st00pid! Are you deliberately trying to terminate your useless life? Or when will you start taking responsibility for yourself?

AdisaOwala:


What exactly have they achieved in their musical careers wey you take use the boldened as examples in comparison to a rapper who is generally considered as one the greatest hip Hop artists of all time?

Don't even fall into that trap.

Rap is the only genre where the quality of your written bars is a criteria to assess GOAT status.

Outside Rap, nobody writes their own songs solo. Everybody employs a team of writers and then the artiste sings the result.

So I want to know what criteria he's going to use to claim that someone who has sold over 250 million records is overrated...

That is roughly 250 million people all over the world thought madonna's music was good enough to buy, but she's overrated. Let me hear what his criteria are first...

Nihilist:


Na wa o.

So Madonna resemble rapper to you?

Or you want to start checking Madonna's bars

What is wrong with this guy sef? A40 wait you dey joke or what?

Oya list your criteria, and explain how Madonna does not make any top 10 female artist list of all time.

Bars? Who is talking about bars?

Madonna sold sex and shock value for the most part. Lyrically, sonically, vocally and otherwise she is nowhere near as good as a lot of other great female acts.

Its not even up for argument

A40:

Lucious Lying. Less than 24 hours you are already denying your words like Simon Peter denied Jesus

I am responsible for what I write, not what you comprehend.

Which part of that statement implies that any of those guys were core players?

Even if you discount Wayne Bridge....

Did Paul Robinson not play every single game for England?

Did Aaron Lennon not play every single game for England?

What is wrong with this guy sef?

Why are you so desperate to run away from your own lies that you keep spinning like a vinyl?

Nihilist:


Don't even fall into that trap.

Rap is the only genre where the quality of your written bars is a criteria to assess GOAT status.

Outside Rap, nobody writes their own songs solo. Everybody employs a team of writers and then the artiste sings the result.

So I want to know what criteria he's going to use to claim that someone who has sold over 250 million records is overrated...

That is roughly [b]250 million people all over the world [/b]thought madonna's music was good enough to buy, but she's overrated. Let me hear what his criteria are first...

Thank God you brought up record sales.

Oya Nas and Nelly whose album's have more often been considered good enough to buy?

Nihilist:


Don't even fall into that trap.

Rap is the only genre where the quality of your written bars is a criteria to assess GOAT status.

I understand perfectly - Puns, Flow, lyrical content etc are major determinants of a rapper's street credibility..which in turn determines his G.O.A.T status...

My question is still valid though - with respect to the aforementioned criteria, what exactly has Nelly (and Will Smith) achieved for them to even be compared to a rapper who is widely regarded as one of the best in the history of the game?

If he had even mentioned hardcore rappers (that are probably overhyped), shebi e for even better?

A40:

Bars? Who is talking about bars?

Madonna sold sex and shock value for the most part. Lyrically, sonically, vocally and otherwise she is nowhere near as good as a lot of other great female acts.

Its not even up for argument

I knew you would yarn nonsense...as if most of the top artistes today don't sing mostly about sex and sell shock value.

If you say you're talking about your own preference, then that's fine. You are allowed to think that Benita Okojie is better than Beyonce...

If you say Madonna was overrated, you need to come with a valid reason why people have spent over a billion dollars to go and see someone who is nowhere near as good as other great female acts...

A40:

Thank God you brought up record sales.

Oya Nas and Nelly whose album's have more often been considered good enough to buy?

Rap is different to Pop.

Nobody cares about lyricsm in Pop music as nobody writes their own songs anyway.

The main reason anybody will pick Nas over Nelly is due to Lyricsm, and this is not a factor outside rap.

Try again.

Nihilist:


I am responsible for what I write, not what you comprehend.

Which part of that statement implies that any of those guys were core players?

Even if you discount Wayne Bridge....

Did Paul Robinson not play every single game for England?

Did Aaron Lennon not play every single game for England?

What is wrong with this guy sef?

Why are you so desperate to run away from your own lies that you keep spinning like a vinyl?

GOOFANTI. Where did you see Lennon playing all games for England? Illusionista

Stop wasting my time bruhh

A40:

GOOFANTI. Where did you see Lennon playing all games for England? Illusionista

Stop wasting my time bruhh

I have never seen a person who is scared of their own words before.

The funny thing is the questions you're asking is of no real relevance to the discussion.

Lemme even make it easier for you.

Ok yes, England squad 2006 was better than Argentina of 2014.

Oya what next?

AdisaOwala:


I understand perfectly - Puns, Flow, lyrical content etc are major determinants of a rapper's street credibility..which in turn determines his G.O.A.T status...

My question is still valid though - with respect to the aforementioned criteria, what exactly has Nelly (and Will Smith) achieved for them to even be compared to a rapper who is widely regarded as one of the best in the history of the game?

If he had even mentioned hardcore rappers (that are probably overhyped), shebi e for even better?

Nihilist brought up record sales as proof that she couldn't be overrated. Regardless of genre you can't be bringing that as an example of someone not being overrated. That's the point

Nihilist:


I have never seen a person who is scared of their own words before.

The funny thing is the questions you're asking is of no real relevance to the discussion.

Lemme even make it easier for you.

Ok yes, England squad 2006 was better than Argentina of 2014.

Oya what next?

Lmao. Of course you would not find them relevant after telling more lies than O.J on trial. We were debating about failure in context and I asked you to list the players from the Argentine team let's see who worked with more material when you erroneously claimed Argentina had a squad as good as England listing Messi and ADM as proof

You don lie sotey the lies don dey overwrite themselves

A40:

Nihilist brought up record sales as proof that she couldn't be overrated. Regardless of genre you can't be bringing that as an example of someone not being overrated. That's the point

Record sales is super important. Even despite Rap's emphasis on lyrics and bars, all of the usual members of Rap's top 5 have multi-platinum records...How can you be considered one of the greatest if you don't showyour appeal via record sales..

We're are talking about one of the greatest female singers of all time, and you said madonna would not make top 10.

If you even argued that Madonna was not the greatest, I can still understand, but not top 10?

Oya list the top 10 lets hear...

A40:

Lmao. Of course you would not find them relevant after telling more lies than O.J on trial. We were debating about failure in context and I asked you to list the players from the Argentine team let's see who worked with more material when you erroneously claimed Argentina had a squad as good as England listing Messi and ADM as proof

You don lie sotey the lies don dey overwrite themselves

I have told you that for sake of Argument I will agree that England was better...

Oya what next na?

I want to see where you're going with this...