Imaam al-Shatibee said in al-I’tisaam (1/43):
Bid‘ah is the method of innovating in religion; it resembles a Sharee‘ah-approved method, but actually contradicts the Sharee‘ah and is intended to exaggerate religious observance. The Prophet (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) said:

“Whoever innovates anything in this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), that is not part of it will have it rejected.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2697; Muslim, no. 1718)

According to a version narrated by Muslim,

“Whoever does anything that is not in accordance with this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), will have it rejected.”

This is why it is reported on the Imaam of Daar-ul-Hijrah (Madeenah), Imaam Maalik Ibn Anas, may Allaah have mercy on him, that he said: “Whosoever introduces into Islaam an innovation, which he deems is good, then he has claimed that Muhammad (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) has betrayed (the trust of conveying) the Message. Read the saying of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic:

‘This day I have completed your Religion for you, and I have perfected My favor upon you, and I am pleased with Islaam as a Religion for you.’

[Surat-ul-Maa’idah: Q5V3]

So whatever was not (part of) the Religion on that day, is not (part of) the Religion on this day. And the last part of this ummah (nation) will not be rectified, except by that which rectified its first part.”
This was from the understanding of Imaam Maalik, the Imaam of Daar-ul-Hijrah, such that he plainly stated in a clear Arabic language that whoever introduces into Islaam just one innovation and then claims that it is something good, he has in fact claimed that Muhammad (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) betrayed the Message. And whoever makes this claim, he does not believe (truly) that “Muhammad is His slave and messenger.” As it is very clear in the words of this noble Imaam, it (the innovation) is “not (part of) the Religion on this day.”

So it is upon the Muslim to implement his Ittibaa’ (following of the Prophet), such that he could be truthful in (his declaration that) Muhammad, Allaah’s Messenger, is His slave and messenger. And that he (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) brought the complete and pure message, without adding to it or subtracting from it. If this is the case, then every Muslim must acknowledge his extent and stop at the points where his Prophet (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) has placed limits for him, such as the acts of worship and deeds of obedience (to Allaah). This is because the pen has dried with what was revealed previously; no more revelation after Muhammad (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam). And there was no room left open to approve of an act of worship that did not exist previously in the first days (i.e. of the Prophet). Consequently, our pious predecessors (Salaf As-Saalih) have come and gone all acknowledging the extent of the Prophet (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) in that he first fulfilled his mission and conveyed the Message, as you know. And (secondly) that he was the best worshipper amongst Allaah’s worshippers and the most fearing of Allaah. So there is no room to correct him:

From the standpoint of legislating (revealed matters) into the Religion, as you have heard the ayah and Imaam Maailk’s comments about it.
Such that it can be claimed that there is someone who is a better worshipper and more worshipping (of Allaah) than Allaah’s Messenger (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam). This is impossible!
So whoever understands these two facts, which are related to one’s belief that Muhammad (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam) is Allaah’s slave and messenger, he will limit the worship he performs for Allaah to only that which has been reported on the Prophet (in the ahaadeeth). And he will not put any example or role model before him other than the Prophet (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam). Nor will he ever claim this second point, meaning it is impossible that it can get into the mind of any believer that he is more dutiful to Allaah or more fearing of Allaah or more worshipping of Allaah than him (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam). This is something impossible!

So after realizing that the Prophet is the best worshipper amongst mankind and the most dutiful and fearing of Allaah amongst us, there should not be anything but following of Allaah’s Messenger (ṣalla Allaahu ‘alaehi wa-sallam). We are upon certainty that we will never be able to encompass the worship of Allaah’s Messenger, except for occasionally or at brief periods of time. So we are completely incapable of following and tracing the footsteps of Allaah’s Messenger in his worship. This is impossible – with respect to every individual amongst mankind after the Prophet.

Methodology Of The Saved Sect (Ahlu Sunnah)






Methodology of the Saved-Sect

[1] al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) is that which adheres to the manhaj (methodology) of Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) during his lifetime, and to the minhaaj of his Companions after him: and that is the Noble Qur‘aan which Allaah revealed to His Messenger, and which he explained to his Companions in the authentic Sunnah – ordering the Muslims to cling to these two, saying, “I am leaving amongst you two things, you will never go astray as long as you cling to them: the Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will not separate from each other, until you meet me at the Lake.Saheeh: Related by al-Haakim from Aboo Hurayrah (radiyallaahu ’anhu). It was authenticated by al-Albaanee in Takhreejul-Mishkaat (no. 186)

[2] The Saved-Sect returns to the Word of Allaah and His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) whenever there is disagreement or difference of opinion; acting upon the saying of Allaah – the Most High, “If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allaah and the Last Day. That is best and most suitable for final determination.” Sooratun-Nisaa‘ [4:59] And He – the Most High – said, “But no, by your Lord! They cannot have any faith until they make you (the Messenger) a judge in all disputes that they have between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decision, but accept them with full submission.” Sooratun-Nisaa‘ [4:65]

[3] The Saved-Sect does not give precedence to the word of anyone over the Word of Allaah and His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), acting upon His – the Most High – saying,

“O you who believe! Do not put yourselves forward before Allaah and His Messenger, and have taqwaa of Allaah. Indeed, Allaah is all-Hearing, all-Seeing.” Sooratul-Hujuraat [49:l]

Ibn ’Abbaas – radiyallaahu ’anhu – said, “I fear that stones will descend upon you from the sky, that I say to you that the Messenger of Allaah said; and you say to me that Aboo Bakr and ’Umar say something else!” Related by Ahmad (no. 3121), al-Khateeb in al-Faqeeh wal-Mutafaqqih (1/145)

[4] The Saved-Sect values Tawheed: and it is to single-out Allaah alone in worship, in supplication, in seeking aid and assistance, in seeking refuge in times of ease and hardship, in sacrificing and vow-making, in placing total reliance and trust in Him and in judging by what Allaah has revealed; and all other forms of worship. These are the foundations upon which the true Islaamic governance is based. It is therefore essential to remove Shirk (associating partners with Allaah in those matters that are particular to Him) and its manifestations – which is present in all the Muslim lands – since this is a requirement of Tawheed. And victory is not possible when Tawheed is neglected, nor can Shirk be fought with its like. We must – in this – follow the examples of the Prophets and in particular, the example of our noble Prophet – may the Peace of Allaah and His Prayers be upon them all.

[5] The Saved-Sect revive the Sunnah of Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) in their ’ibaadah (worship), sulook (behaviour) and in their lives, thus becoming strangers amongst the people – as Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) mentioned in his saying, “Islaam started as something strange and will return as something strange as it began, so Toobaa (a tree in Paradise) is for the Strangers.” Related by Muslim (2/175-176) In another narration, “ … so Toobaa is for the Strangers. Those who correct and put right what the people have corrupted.”Saheeh: Related by Aboo ’Amrad-Daanee in as-Sunanul-Waaridah fil-Fitan (1/25)

[6] The Saved-Sect does not have ta’assub (bigoted adherence) to the sayings of anyone, except the saying of Allaah and the saying of His infallible Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), who does not speak from his own desires. As for every other person – however elevated his rank – then he errs and makes mistakes, according to his (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) saying, “All the children of Aadam err and commit mistakes, and the best of those who make mistakes are those who turn in repentance.” It was authenticated by al-Albaanee in Saheeh Sunan Ibn Maajah (no. 3428).

Imaam Maalik (d. 179H) – rahimahullaah – said, “There is no one after the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), except that you can take his saying or leave it, with the exception of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam).” Related by Ibn ’Abdul-Haadee in Irshaadus-Saalik (227/l) who declared it Saheeh

[7] The Saved-Sect are Ahlul-Hadeeth (the People of Hadeeth), about whom the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah victorious and uppermost upon the truth, those who abandon them will not harm them, until the command of Allaah comes about.” Related by Muslim (6/52-53) and Aboo Daawood (2/202) from Thawbaan (radiyallaahu ’anhu).

A poet said,

“Ahlul-Hadeeth are the people of the Prophet, although;

They accompany him not, they are with his every movement.”

[8] The Saved-Sect love and honour the mujtahid Imaams (those Scholars who are able to extract rulings from the Book and the Sunnah). However, they do not have ta’assub (bigoted blind adherence) to any particular one of them. On the contrary, they take fiqh (rulings) from the Qur‘aan and the authentic ahaadeeth, upon the understanding, and the sayings, of all of the Scholars – if it is in agreement with the authentic ahaadeeth. Indeed, this agrees with their saying, that you should take it if it agrees with the authentic hadeeth and leave whatever disagrees with it.
[9] The Saved-Sect orders the good and forbids the evil. Thus it renounces the innovated ways and destructive parties and groups which split the Ummah: those that innovate in the Religion and innovate with regards the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and that of his Companions.

[10] The Saved-Sect calls the Muslims to cling to the Qur‘aan and to the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and to the way of his Companions, until victory is decreed for them; and until they enter Paradise by the Grace of Allaah and the shifaa’ah (intercession) of His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam).

[11] The Saved-Sect reject those laws which are man-made when they contradict the judgement of Islaam. Rather, it calls to the judgement by the Book of Allaah, which Allaah revealed for the happiness and benefit of mankind, both in this world and in the Hereafter, and Allaah – the Most Perfect, the Most High – knows what it is that will correct and reform them. So His Law is firm and constant, it will not alter for the rest of time, nor does the passage of time alter its values. Indeed, the reason for the misfortunes of this world in general, and the Islaamic world in particular – which is experiencing misfortune, lowliness and humiliation – is: abandoning judging by the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). And nothing will make the Muslims strong again except by them returning to the teachings of Islaam – individually, collectively and in their governance – acting upon the saying of Allaah, the Most High,

“Indeed, never will Allaah change the condition of a people until they change themselves.” Sooratur-Ra’d [13:11]
By Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Jameel Zaynoo

Minhâj al-Firqatun-Nâjiyah wat-Tâ‘ifat al-Manrûrah (pp.6-17)

Rulings on Bidah

Bidah is innovation in Islam and bidah also means worshipping Allah with what Allah didn't order us to.


Allah has already completed Islam for us through rasulullah.

For any of your deeds in Islam to be accepted, it must be done for sake of Allah and according to how rasulullah did it.

Whatever that is done as an act of worship and its not either done for Allah sake or how rasulullah did it is not to be accepted.



Its repeated so many times in Quran to follow rasulullah and we should never deviate from his teachings.




Doing Bidah act simply means that whoever is doing it thinks he or she is wiser and mightier than Allah and of course that he or she can also make rulings into our deen. And doing whatever rasulullah didn't do in Islam as an act of worship simply means that you are saying rasulullah isn't trustworthy nor noble enough to be messanger of Allah or perhaps rasulullah hid some of the messages sent from Allah to him for us. In short, bidah simply means making jest and mockery of Allah, rasulullah and our deen.

Bidah is never a sin..

Sin simply means things that you do and you know that it is wrong. Bidah doing people never and will never believe that what they are doing is wrong.

Besides, whoever rejects any verse of Quran is a Kafir.
Whoever rejects any part of Sahib Hadeeth is a Kafir.










Now, when will anybody who is doing an act of bidah will become a kafir.... Its when the truth of matter is clear to him or her and he or she intentionally leave the truth for falsehood.

If you belief that there is no kafir among Muslims, You are a kafir.

For you to understand your deen very well, listen to every sunnah scholar and follow whatever they tell you if they give you proof from Kitab wa sunna




Listen to jabata lectures, sharfdeen raaji, rasheed hasim,Abu ibeji, amubieya and other sunnah lecturers

AhluSunnah:
If you belief that there is no kafir among Muslims, You are a kafir.

Oh You are the one to give certifcate of Kufr to your fellow muslims,right?. Who gave you the authority to do so?

You are obviously making takfir

Empiree:
Oh You are the one to give certifcate of Kufr to your fellow muslims,right?. Who gave you the authority to do so?

You are obviously making takfir

i thought you loved his post?

AhluSunnah:
For you to understand your deen very well, listen to every sunnah scholar and follow whatever they tell you if they give you proof from Kitab wa sunna




Listen to jabata lectures, sharfdeen raaji, rasheed hasim,Abu ibeji, amubieya and other sunnah lecturers

this sharafdeen raaji and ambueya believe bidah is of two. infact Abu ibeji has made takfeer of ambueya hope you know that?

guy, instead of listening and listening, why dont you enrol in a madrasah? learn some Arabic, fiqh, akhlaaq, aqeedatu sahiha and tajweed.

when you've understood Arabic properly, then read books of Ibn uthaymeen, ibn baaz, Al-albaani, barbahaari, Ahmad ibn hanbali on the issue of bidah in general.

don't continue this ignorance you are displaying.

AhluSunnah:
If you belief that there is no kafir among Muslims, You are a kafir.

Perhaps, you probably believe Nabi Muhammad's parents are in hell?. Jabata said they are in hell. I just listened to his lecture in response to his sufi 'opponent" who accused him of saying Jabata said nabi's parents are going to Hell

Jabata replied in this latest lecture that he did not say they are going to hell. He corrected the man's mistake that nabi's parents are not going to hell but they are in hell

Although he cited evidence from Sahih muslim and accused the sufi man of knowing nothing about religion. So do you believe parents of rosul are going to Hell or are in Hell since you beliebe there are kafir amongst muslims?.

Me no feel talk am. Such parents that gave birth to our master nabiy ummi in Hell Fire?. La haola walquwata ilabillah. You will not hear that from me

I dont believe his parents are in hell or going to hell. Sahih hadith can say whaever

lexiconkabir:


i thought you loved his post?

I just wanted him be left alone to exercise his right to post freely. Thats why i said that. I did not want him to stop posting should in case he felt guilty. Not bcus i agreed with him. I simply quietly follow and read his posts.

Empiree:
Perhaps, you probably believe Nabi Muhammad's parents are in hell?. Jabata said they are in hell. I just listened to his lecture in response to his sufi 'opponent" who accused him of saying Jabata said nabi's parents are going to Hell

Jabata replied in this latest lecture that he did not say they are going to hell. He corrected the man's mistake that nabi's parents are not going to hell but they are in hell

Although he cited evidence from Sahih muslim and accused the sufi man of knowing nothing about religion. So do you believe parents of rosul are going to Hell or are in Hell since you beliebe there are kafir amongst muslims?.

Me no feel talk am. Such parents that gave birth to our master nabiy ummi in Hell Fire?. La haola walquwata ilabillah. You will not hear that from me

I dont believe his parents are in hell or going to hell. Sahih hadith can say whaever

Sufi is never part of Islam. Sufi is a different religion.
Rasulullah parents died as a kafir, Nabi Ibrahim parent died as a kafir, Nabi Nih kid died as a kafir, Luth wife died as a kafir, Abu talib aslo died as a kafir.


Its stated in Quran and rasulullah also say it whenever he's about to start lectures that, YOU MUST NOT DIE EXCEPT THAT YOU A MUSLIM(ABIDING AND SUBMISSIVE TO SUNNAH), THAT WHOEVER DIES AS A NON BELIEVER IN SAHIH AQEEDAH WILL GO TO HELL.


mind you, both Muslims and non muslims fall in the category of Sahih aqeedah.

If y deviate from rasulullah teachings after the truth is clear to you, then u a kafir and if you die on deviation, you are going to hell.


ALLAH MADE IT CLEAR IN QURAN THAT ALJAHNNAH IS FORBIDEEN OR KAFIR.

Empiree:
Perhaps, you probably believe Nabi Muhammad's parents are in hell?. Jabata said they are in hell. I just listened to his lecture in response to his sufi 'opponent" who accused him of saying Jabata said nabi's parents are going to Hell

Jabata replied in this latest lecture that he did not say they are going to hell. He corrected the man's mistake that nabi's parents are not going to hell but they are in hell

Although he cited evidence from Sahih muslim and accused the sufi man of knowing nothing about religion. So do you believe parents of rosul are going to Hell or are in Hell since you beliebe there are kafir amongst muslims?.

Me no feel talk am. Such parents that gave birth to our master nabiy ummi in Hell Fire?. La haola walquwata ilabillah. You will not hear that from me

I dont believe his parents are in hell or going to hell. Sahih hadith can say whaever

Hadith can say whatever? Definately you don't believe in hadith and you have rejected all those Quran verses where Allah called some Muslims kafir.

Whoeve rejects a single sahih haadith or Quran verse is a kafir..


Am sure you are aware of that

AhluSunnah:



Hadith can say whatever? Definately you don't believe in hadith and you have rejected all those Quran verses where Allah called some Muslims kafir.

Whoeve rejects a single sahih haadith or Quran verse is a kafir..


Am sure you are aware of that

Your reasoning is shallow. You have to be specific. You don't understand what you saying

AhluSunnah:



Sufi is never part of Islam. Sufi is a different religion.
Rasulullah parents died as a kafir, Nabi Ibrahim parent died as a kafir, Nabi Nih kid died as a kafir, Luth wife died as a kafir, Abu talib aslo died as a kafir.


Its stated in Quran and rasulullah also say it whenever he's about to start lectures that, YOU MUST NOT DIE EXCEPT THAT YOU A MUSLIM(ABIDING AND SUBMISSIVE TO SUNNAH), THAT WHOEVER DIES AS A NON BELIEVER IN SAHIH AQEEDAH WILL GO TO HELL.


mind you, both Muslims and non muslims fall in the category of Sahih aqeedah.

If y deviate from rasulullah teachings after the truth is clear to you, then u a kafir and if you die on deviation, you are going to hell.


ALLAH MADE IT CLEAR IN QURAN THAT ALJAHNNAH IS FORBIDEEN OR KAFIR.

your thinking is shallow and vile. You don't understand what you read. I don't even know how to begin with you. I got picture of who your boss jabata is after i listened to him last night. If you believe nabi'a parents are in hell, that's you're opinion. You should worry about where you end up.

lexiconkabir:


this sharafdeen raaji and ambueya believe bidah is of two. infact Abu ibeji has made takfeer of ambueya hope you know that?

guy, instead of listening and listening, why dont you enrol in a madrasah? learn some Arabic, fiqh, akhlaaq, aqeedatu sahiha and tajweed.

when you've understood Arabic properly, then read books of Ibn uthaymeen, ibn baaz, Al-albaani, barbahaari, Ahmad ibn hanbali on the issue of bidah in general.

don't continue this ignorance you are displaying.

You absolutely do not understand sunnah.


Am. Not against whoever divide bidah, if they like they can divide it into hundred.... WHAT AM AGAINST IS THAT ALL BIDAH IS NOT KUFRU



ON WHAT BASIS DID ABU IBEJI CALL AMUBIEYA KAFIR. ?? PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT




AV READ FATWA OF SCHOLARS ON BIDAH AND SOME SAID BIDAH IS SIN AND KUFRU AND SOME SAID ALL BIDAH ARE KUFRU. AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN AND READ PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH THAT ANY SCHOLAR BRING TO SUPPORT HIS STAND , YOU MUST BELIEVE.


SCHOLARS THAT SAID BIDAH IS SIN AND KUFRU DIDNT HAAVE ANY PROOF FROM KITAB WA SUNNAH TO BACKUP THEIR POINTS AND THOSE THAT SAID ALL BIDAH IS KUFRU HAVE SOLID PROOF FROM KITAB WA SUNNAH




And its those scholars that told us not to follow them blindly and we should never accept any of their fatwa in which they didn't give sound proof

Empiree:
Oh You are the one to give certifcate of Kufr to your fellow muslims,right?. Who gave you the authority to do so?

You are obviously making takfir

Its better you stop following shehu and stop being a sufi bkoz Islam is against both

AhluSunnah:







You absolutely do not understand sunnah.

ya shaykh

Am. Not against whoever divide bidah, if they like they can divide it into hundred.... WHAT AM AGAINST IS THAT ALL BIDAH IS NOT KUFRU

there are evidences that the prophet didnt say All bidah takes you out of Islam(the case of Abu israil comes to mind), the sahabas also knew that not all bidah takes you out of Islam(the case of marwan comes to mind), it all depends if you choose to humble yourself to these proofs

ON WHAT BASIS DID ABU IBEJI CALL AMUBIEYA KAFIR. ?? PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT

he said Ambueya called him kaafir because he bends when entering a car, since he said bending for someone is shirk, then he also has committed shirk, so anbueya told his jama'ah to call Abu ibeji a kaafir, so this is why Abu ibeji.made takfeer of ambueya, you can listen to the lecture he did on "Refuting the call to unification of Religions" he said so there.

AV READ FATWA OF SCHOLARS ON BIDAH AND SOME SAID BIDAH IS SIN AND KUFRU AND SOME SAID ALL BIDAH ARE KUFRU. AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN AND READ PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH THAT ANY SCHOLAR BRING TO SUPPORT HIS STAND , YOU MUST BELIEVE.

can you mention some of these scholars that said all bidah is kufr.

SCHOLARS THAT SAID BIDAH IS SIN AND KUFRU DIDNT HAAVE ANY PROOF FROM KITAB WA SUNNAH TO BACKUP THEIR POINTS

they do, but your heart has a disease and it has been blocked to accept it from them, i pray Allaah open your heart Ameen.

AND THOSE THAT SAID ALL BIDAH IS KUFRU HAVE SOLID PROOF FROM KITAB WA SUNNAH

you've Still not told us who these "scholars" are.

And its those scholars that told us not to follow them blindly and we should never accept any of their fatwa in which they didn't give sound proof

bruv, you don't know anything WAllaahi, they few peanuts you are getting from misguiding lectures of jabata aand his likes, makes you think you've known everything.

you understand tawheed perfectly right?

which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

lexiconkabir:


ya shaykh




there are evidences that the prophet didnt say All bidah takes you out of Islam(the case of Abu israil comes to mind), the sahabas also knew that not all bidah takes you out of Islam(the case of marwan comes to mind), it all depends if you choose to humble yourself to these proofs





he said Ambueya called him kaafir because he bends when entering a car, since he said bending for someone is shirk, then he also has committed shirk, so anbueya told his jama'ah to call Abu ibeji a kaafir, so this is why Abu ibeji.made takfeer of ambueya, you can listen to the lecture he did on "Refuting the call to unification of Religions" he said so there.






can you mention some of these scholars that said all bidah is kufr.






they do, but your heart has a disease and it has been blocked to accept it from them, i pray Allaah open your heart Ameen.




you've Still not told us who these "scholars" are.




bruv, you don't know anything WAllaahi, they few peanuts you are getting from misguiding lectures of jabata aand his likes, makes you think you've known everything.

you understand tawheed perfectly right?

which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

I need not say anything.... You a blattant lair and you like twisting issues. Better start listening to jabata ..

AhluSunnah:






I need not say anything.... You a blattant lair and you like twisting issues. Better start listening to jabata ..

no don't run o, answer my questions, how I'm i a liar?

lexiconkabir:


no don't run o, answer my questions, how I'm i a liar?

And you do believe in heresy..



Abu IBEJI will call amubieya kafir because he bow before he enter his car? Laughing.


Tawasul is what make Makkah people kafir.



Concerning the cases of sahabahs and somethings they did.... Abu israil case is also like the case of marwan. They made mistakes and we know its mistake because its against rasulullah teaching. They will have 1 reward because they tried and acted the way they understood it.

Besides is it marwan or abu israil Allab sent to us? Allah sent rasulullah, we must follow rasulullah.. Bringing up the case of abu israil and marwan and the likes are just petty excuse ...


Its very clear these days what bidah is and its rulings... If you did a bidah and you are corrected and you insist on doing it due to petty excuse used to follow your desire.. You a kafir.


Like so many of people using masbah dey do.. Dey always quote sheik uthaymeen and say sheik said we can use it. Na sheik uthaymeen Allah send to us? And the hadith sheik bring to suopor using of masbah is weak and sheik even said its sunnah to use hands that rasulullah command use hands.

AhluSunnah:





And you do believe in heresy..



Abu IBEJI will call amubieya kafir because he bow before he enter his car? Laughing.

you dont even know how to read and understand, i said ambueya told his jama'ah to call abu ibeji a kaafir because he bends when entering a car, so abu ibeji in turn called him a kaafir for that.

kai, i see why jabata could hold you in his shackles, only the not-so-wise people fall for jabata.

Tawasul is what make Makkah people kafir.

what's tawasul? and what i actually asked was;

which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

lexiconkabir:


you dont even know how to read and understand, i said ambueya told his jama'ah to call abu ibeji a kaafir because he bends when entering a car, so abu ibeji in turn called him a kaafir for that.

kai, i see why jabata could hold you in his shackles, only the not-so-wise people fall for jabata.




what's tawasul? and what i actually asked was;

which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

Sorry, made a mistake.. Concerning amubieya and abu IBEJI. Amubieya shouldn't say that because he understands the issue of bowing as a greeting form. Amubieya has surely rejected all he has been teaching us before..





And its sufi people that do say what you said amubieya said .. I can't call him kafir yet because that's the only allegation put against him and he's a scholars.. Its either of he issue has become misunderstood to him or he has really deviate. The only way to be sure is if I actually listen to more of his lectures or that lecture which he said concerning abu ibeji. If he has turn his back on hadith and Quran and resorts to using common. Sense the. He's a kafir


Tawasul is seeking help from Allah by directing the prayers to something or someone with the hope of that something or someone to Convey it to Allah

lexiconkabir:


ya shaykh




there are evidences that the prophet didnt say All bidah takes you out of Islam(the case of Abu israil comes to mind), the sahabas also knew that not all bidah takes you out of Islam(the case of marwan comes to mind), it all depends if you choose to humble yourself to these proofs





he said Ambueya called him kaafir because he bends when entering a car, since he said bending for someone is shirk, then he also has committed shirk, so anbueya told his jama'ah to call Abu ibeji a kaafir, so this is why Abu ibeji.made takfeer of ambueya, you can listen to the lecture he did on "Refuting the call to unification of Religions" he said so there.






can you mention some of these scholars that said all bidah is kufr.






they do, but your heart has a disease and it has been blocked to accept it from them, i pray Allaah open your heart Ameen.




you've Still not told us who these "scholars" are.




bruv, you don't know anything WAllaahi, they few peanuts you are getting from misguiding lectures of jabata aand his likes, makes you think you've known everything.

you understand tawheed perfectly right?

which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

Tell me the proof that bidah is sin and kufru

AhluSunnah:





Sorry, made a mistake.. Concerning amubieya and abu IBEJI. Amubieya shouldn't say that because he understands the issue of bowing as a greeting form. Amubieya has surely rejected all he has been teaching us before..





And its sufi people that do say what you said amubieya said .. I can't call him kafir yet because that's the only allegation put against him and he's a scholars.. Its either of he issue has become misunderstood to him or he has really deviate. The only way to be sure is if I actually listen to more of his lectures or that lecture which he said concerning abu ibeji. If he has turn his back on hadith and Quran and resorts to using common. Sense the. He's a kafir

smh.

Tawasul is seeking help from Allah by directing the prayers to something or someone with the hope of that something or someone to Convey it to Allah

so this is tawasul? tawheed you always shouting about, you don't know it. anyway this question is still hanging which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

lexiconkabir:


smh.




so this is tawasul? tawheed you always shouting about, you don't know it. anyway this question is still hanging which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

Tell me then if am not correct

AhluSunnah:






Tell me the proof that bidah is sin and kufru

i have given you before and i will give you again;

Well there are many evidences that all bid'ah is not shirk, a very glaring evidence is the situation of Abu israil found in sahih bukhari;

While the Prophet (ﷺ ) was delivering a sermon, he saw a man standing, so he asked about that man. They (the people) said, "It is Abu Israil who has vowed that he will stand and never sit down, and he will never come in the shade, nor speak to anybody, and will fast.'' The Prophet (ﷺ ) said, "Order him to speak and let him come in the shade, and make him sit down, but let him complete his fast."{sahih bukhari no. 6704}

1.) This man was standing under the sun with the belief that he is worshipping Allaah.

2.) What he did was clearly bid'ah!

3.) The prophet didnt call him a kafir

4.) The prophet just rejected his bid'ah and told him to continue his fasting.

5.) The prophet himself has made it clear that not all bid'ah takes you out of Islam.

Now if all bid'ah was shirk, then the prophet would've told Abu israil that all his deed including the fasting has become invalid because the ijma' of the scholars is, shirk(done knowingly or unknowingly) dismantles good deeds, here is their proof;

Say: Spend (in Allaah’s Cause) willingly or unwillingly, it will not be accepted from you. Verily, you are ever a people who are Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah).”
And nothing prevents their contributions from being accepted from them except that they disbelieved in Allaah and in His Messenger (Muhammad), and that they came not to As-Salaah (the prayer) except in a lazy state, and that they offer not contributions but unwillingly”
[al-Tawbah 9:53-54]

As we can see Allaah says he wont accept the disbelievers good deeds because of their kufr.

Ibn Taymiyah (rahimahullaah) said:
Nothing cancels out good deeds except kufr, because the one who dies as a believer will inevitably enter Paradise, and he will be brought out of Hell if he does enter it, but if all his good deeds are cancelled out, he will never enter Paradise. Good deeds can only be cancelled out by that which is their opposite, and nothing can be the opposite of all good deeds except kufr. This is well known from the principles of Sunnah.{ Al-Saarim al-Maslool (p. 55) }

1.) I have shown that Abu israil did bid'ah

2.) If his bid'ah was kufr,then the prophet would've told him that his good deed(which is fasting) has been destroyed

3.) But the prophet did not, rather he rejected only the bid'ah and asked him to continue.

4.) Quran says All kufr destroys your good deeds and this is the aqeedah of the salaf as-solih

5.) So if Abu israil bid'ah was kufr, the good deed he was doing(i.e fasting) would've been destroyed.

i'm still waiting for you to tell us the scholars that said all bidah is kufr.

AhluSunnah:




Tell me then if am not correct

you are not coreect, you failed woefully, the tawheed you rant about, you don't know it, GO AND STUDY AND GAIN BENEFICIAL KNOWLEDGE.

but this is the main question i asked;


which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

lexiconkabir:


i have given you before and i will give you again;

Laughing... Wahala wa o..

Now, when rasulullah told abu israil to talk and to leave under the sun, did he insist on not talking and not to leave under the sun that that is how he will worship Allah till he died


If he has refused rasulullah commands and insist that what he was doing was the correct way to worship Allah, DO YOU THINK RASULULLAH WONT PRONOUNCE HIM A KAFIR?

lexiconkabir:


you are not coreect, you failed woefully, the tawheed you rant about, you don't know it, GO AND STUDY AND GAIN BENEFICIAL KNOWLEDGE.

but this is the main question i asked;


which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

Tawhid Uluhiyah

lexiconkabir:


you are not coreect, you failed woefully, the tawheed you rant about, you don't know it, GO AND STUDY AND GAIN BENEFICIAL KNOWLEDGE.

but this is the main question i asked;


which category of tawheed did the polytheists of makkah had solid belief on but did not suffice them to make them believers and why?

It didn't suffice them because they worship another thing apart from ALLAH





I understand your plight and the only way to solve all these misunderstanding in your belief is to listen to jabata lectures with clean mind and only listen to whatever he said that he bring proof on

AhluSunnah:






Laughing... Wahala wa o..

Now, when rasulullah told abu israil to talk and to leave under the sun, did he insist on not talking and not to leave under the sun that that is how he will worship Allah till he died


If he has refused rasulullah commands and insist that what he was doing was the correct way to worship Allah, DO YOU THINK RASULULLAH WONT PRONOUNCE HIM A KAFIR?

him being adamant is not the point here, but his good deeds that was still intact, once kufr enters a deed, it cancel it, to you bidah is kufr, so even if abu israil cant be called a kaafir because of that, at least his good deed(which is fasting) would've been canceled....

so why didnt the prophet cancel the good deed?