TheNazarene:



Who said making a vow is not acceptable to God?

I am saying concerning the protection of the children of Israel, a vow isn't needed because it is God's primary duty.

How hard is it to comprehend?

That something is not needed doesn't make it a sin. Hannah made a vow too and god was perfectly okay with it... God was okay with Jephthah making the vow, that's why he won the battle for him, even though the vow was burning a human being.
The fact that a vow is not needed is completely inconsequential and should be totally discountenanced

EyeHateGod:

Is Jesus not God again?

The Trinity is God.

TheNazarene:


The Trinity is God.

So God sacrificed himself?

TheNazarene:


Was ishmael a sinner?
God answered the prayer of hagar because ishmael did not deserve to die or did he?

Was Abimelech a sinner?
Abimelech asked Abraham if Sarah was his wife and out of fear/respect of a king, Abraham said no, so God spoke to Abimelech because he was ignorant.


Concerning the bolded, I put it to you that if Jephtah's daughter wasn't wayward and was on very good terms with her father, she greets her father like the way a child should, Jephtah wouldn't have made that vow?

What!! Argh!! How can u say something like that.
1. It's not true. Jephthah loved his daughter. Read the reference I gave in the Op. He was very sad. He only made that vow because he didn't know his daughter will be f first to welcome him
2. It's a terribly ugly thing to say. Because u want to justify the burning of a human being, u are now questioning the character and making assumptions. Even if she was wayward, did she deserve to get burnt?? Plssd never say that again, u are better than that

EyeHateGod:

Num 21:2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities.
Num 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

Pastor EyeHateGod... More anointing sirsir

randomperson:

Pastor EyeHateGod... More anointing sirsir

Lol my Bible App day opened na

TheNazarene:


Was ishmael a sinner?
God answered the prayer of hagar because ishmael did not deserve to die or did he?

Was Abimelech a sinner?
Abimelech asked Abraham if Sarah was his wife and out of fear/respect of a king, Abraham said no, so God spoke to Abimelech because he was ignorant.


Concerning the bolded, I put it to you that if Jephtah's daughter wasn't wayward and was on very good terms with her father, she greets her father like the way a child should, Jephtah wouldn't have made that vow?

As regards the first part... Abimelech was a sinner, he was a pagan and didn't serve God. But God still warned him because he was innocent, why didn't God warn Jephthah that his daughter or any human being would welcome him... Y accept the vow and win the battle for him. Even after the battle, god could have told him to change the vow to something else but he didn't... God is culpable for this terrible act

EyeHateGod:

Lev 22:21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish [his] vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.

Lev 27:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons [shall be] for the LORD by thy estimation.

Num 21:2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities.
Num 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

If we are to go by Leviticus 22:21, can we say that Jephtah redeemed his daughter?

Lets read the NIV version of Leviticus 27:2
Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the Lord by giving equivalent values,

can you please not pick verses that are not meant to be standalone? From the verse, God was saying something to Israel and you choose to bring out a 'phrase' from what He said, why don't you give us full details?

Your quote from Numbers still boils down to what Jephtah did: MAKING A VOW OUT OF FEAR AN UNBELIVE that's what the Israelites did there?

Lookd like you didn't grasp my qquestion well...
This is the simplicity of my question?

Show us where God explicitly stated that until you make a vow to me then will I deliver you?

TheNazarene:


If we are to go by Leviticus 22:21, can we say that Jephtah redeemed his daughter?

Lets read the NIV version of Leviticus 27:2
Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the Lord by giving equivalent values,

can you please not pick verses that are not meant to be standalone? From the verse, God was saying something to Israel and you choose to bring out a 'phrase' from what He said, why don't you give us full details?

Your quote from Numbers still boils down to what Jephtah did: MAKING A VOW OUT OF FEAR AN UNBELIVE that's what the Israelites did there?

Lookd like you didn't grasp my qquestion well...
This is the simplicity of my question?

Show us where God explicitly stated that until you make a vow to me then will I deliver you?

Guy, whether God stated it or not is not relevant to the fact in issue. Making vows was not a sin. Shikena... God even accepted Jephthah's vow by helping win the battle

randomperson:

That something is not needed doesn't make it a sin. Hannah made a vow too and god was perfectly okay with it... God was okay with Jephthah making the vow, that's why he won the battle for him, even though the vow was burning a human being.
The fact that a vow is not needed is completely inconsequential and should be totally discountenanced

what are you saying He called Israel for Himself, to serve Him. He protected them in Egypt, in the wilderness and many more, doesn't that say quite a lot that their security is guaranteed?

Jephtah made a vow out of fear because He did not believe that the God who protected them before will do so again, and his vow/blasphemy burnt him and you want to blame God?

It just like a child making vow to the parents to give food? Whaaat?

randomperson:

As regards the first part... Abimelech was a sinner, he was a pagan and didn't serve God. But God still warned him because he was innocent, why didn't God warn Jephthah that his daughter or any human being would welcome him... Y accept the vow and win the battle for him. Even after the battle, god could have told him to change the vow to something else but he didn't... God is culpable for this terrible act

God warned Abimelech because of Abraham.


Did Jephtah inquire of God? Because the elders of his clan came to him to ask him to lead them, he thought he could go in his strength with God as backup?

And please stop adding to the Bible, where is it stated that God accepted tthe vow?

God performing His duties doesn't translate to vow accepted.

TheNazarene:


If we are to go by Leviticus 22:21, can we say that Jephtah redeemed his daughter?

Lets read the NIV version of Leviticus 27:2
Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the Lord by giving equivalent values,

can you please not pick verses that are not meant to be standalone? From the verse, God was saying something to Israel and you choose to bring out a 'phrase' from what He said, why don't you give us full details?

Your quote from Numbers still boils down to what Jephtah did: MAKING A VOW OUT OF FEAR AN UNBELIVE that's what the Israelites did there?

Lookd like you didn't grasp my qquestion well...
This is the simplicity of my question?

Show us where God explicitly stated that until you make a vow to me then will I deliver you?

Stop beating around the Bush boy...

EyeHateGod:

Stop beating around the Bush boy...

you hate God, why don't you hate Him over concrete reasons rather than with verses meant for those that love Him?

TheNazarene:


you hate God, why don't you hate Him over concrete reasons rather than with verses meant for those that love Him?

Are you new on NL?

TheNazarene:


what are you saying He called Israel for Himself, to serve Him. He protected them in Egypt, in the wilderness and many more, doesn't that say quite a lot that their security is guaranteed?

Jephtah made a vow out of fear because He did not believe that the God who protected them before will do so again, and his vow/blasphemy burnt him and you want to blame God?

It just like a child making vow to the parents to give food? Whaaat?

So, this is the basis of your argument now?? That a vow was not needed therefore a girl deserves to be burnt alive?? Why did God accept his vow? Why did god help him win the battle? Why didn't god simply tell him, I don't need your vow?

TheNazarene:


God warned Abimelech because of Abraham.


Did Jephtah inquire of God? Because the elders of his clan came to him to ask him to lead them, he thought he could go in his strength with God as backup?

And please stop adding to the Bible, where is it stated that God accepted tthe vow?

God performing His duties doesn't translate to vow accepted.

He went in his strength?? Are u kidding me right now?? A man was ready to sacrifice anything in order to get God's help and u say he went in his strength?
Is it every sacrifice that God announces his acceptance. Why did he win the battle for him? Why didn't he simply tell him that the vow was wrong?? U have been avoiding these questions for some time, plss answer them

randomperson:

He went in his strength?? Are u kidding me right now?? A man was ready to sacrifice anything in order to get God's help and u say he went in his strength?
Is it every sacrifice that God announces his acceptance. Why did he win the battle for him? Why didn't he simply tell him that the vow was wrong?? U have been avoiding these questions for some time, plss answer them

Lol there God is non existence Na so m wondering where the Voice would come from

randomperson:

He went in his strength?? Are u kidding me right now?? A man was ready to sacrifice anything in order to get God's help and u say he went in his strength?
Is it every sacrifice that God announces his acceptance. Why did he win the battle for him? Why didn't he simply tell him that the vow was wrong?? U have been avoiding these questions for some time, plss answer them

A man is willing to sacrifice anything for God but himself, do you think God will accept it?


Did he ask God for directions to make the vow? After they will be complaining that He poke nosed into their matters? See, if you don't ask God for His involvement in something, He will sit comfortably in His chair and watch your folly?


1 Samuel 30:8
When David was still a fugitive with his men, they went on a conquest and by the time they came back, their camp was ravaged and their wives and children taken but upon all he enquired of the Lord!

Someone whose properties were taken, he still asked God, if he should go after them!



Now, the enemy came to Israels gates and you did not enquire of the Lord, putting strength in home ground advantage who knows? And you think there won't be repercussions?


And David was so stronger than Jephtah, that it is written, the exploits of Davids mighty men!

Do you know what was said of Joab, one of Davids mighty men, Joab killed 800 men at a go!

Now David with that kind of mighty man still enquired of the Lord, that's to tell you what God expects from a man that 'sacrifices' all for Him.


God is not a mediocre God. He cannot be mocked.

EyeHateGod:

Lol there God is non existence Na so m wondering where the Voice would come from

God is non existent. Now you are picking on people (who are nonexistent because they serve a non existent God) who serve a non existent God and follow the Book of a non existent God.

Now, you are asking the non existent people who serve a non existent God why their non existent God accepted the 'human sacrifice' of a non existent Jephtah of a non existent 'tale' in a non existent Book?

There is space in YABA oooo!

Because its like you are concerned about the non existent.

TheNazarene:


God is non existent. Now you are picking on people (who are nonexistent because they serve a non existent God) who serve a non existent God and follow the Book of a non existent God.

Now, you are asking the non existent people who serve a non existent God why their non existent God accepted the 'human sacrifice' of a non existent Jephtah of a non existent 'tale' in a non existent Book?

There is space in YABA oooo!

Because its like you are concerned about the non existent.

This thread is not for you it's ment for people that are ready to use their brain and also see the Truth....

AngelSweetLips:
I want to know so christians stop beating around the bush and tell us please.

Did you post this from ur prison cell?