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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:59am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: Where did I say Iheanacho won battle? Iheanacho got balls in the air with speed and clever movement. He did not win battle. I already said over and over again without looking at stats that he was bullied. He made impact despite the unfair scenario. I hate repeating the same thing. You clearly missed a lot. You did not know what drop deep is. So please leave arguing. Just read your stats. You tried to make it look as if I was lying, instead of leaving the argument because you did not understand what happened on the pitch. You said you did not see any wrong decision. This is enough to expose your lack of understanding. Leave it as that. Leave that disclaimer talk. You said no aerial ball. Not duel. You could not tell the difference. If you watched the game well, you will not come to that conclusion. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:23am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: A striker dropping deep simply means the player spent a lot of time in his defensive half to aid the build up play. Just like Sanchez does. I was shocked when I read your post saying Ihenacho dropped deep and aided in the build up play. At no time did I see him deep inside his own half. It's clear you ran out of things to praise him with that's why you rode with the idea that he dropped deep to aid build up,which is a very wrong. Some of us watched this game, you can't say what you like just because you want to defend Guardiola's training methods working magic on Kelechi( I know that's where all this is heading to, its the usual route) The opta dashboard I posted shows Ihenacho made 80% of his passes inside Leicester's half. And am the one who don't know what dropping deep means? Mind you, every striker in the world is bullied. Defenders are trained to roughen opposing strikers, its a psychological warfare out there where only the tough cookies survive. Ask Diego Costa, Suarez, Drogba,Sanchez etc... They will tell you how much they have suffered in the hands of opposing defenders. Kelechi shouldn't expect to have defenders cuddle and sing lullaby for him. Its a tough job out there. 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:39am On Dec 11, 2016 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:40am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Who says Iheanacho didn't get a clear chance? what happened to that pinpoint up cross to iheanacho that instead of heading home, failed to even have a touch on the ball? What happened to his one-on-one miss that was later ruled out for an offside? you claim that he was substituted because of the physical nature but why was Nolito brought in to play in his position? is he more physical than Iheanacho? I observed in the match that Iheanacho poaching skills as a top striker is poor, thus, the midfielders could not deliver many clear chances to him, he has a top poaching as a SS. Although City's team was generally poor, but that sub was as a result of pep loosing confidence in him in that very game. It is not about being very mobile more that Aguero, it is about being in the right place at the right time and capitalising on his chances. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:41am On Dec 11, 2016 |
blueto: Offside is called a clear chance? A cross that a player did not reach is called a clear chance. Na WA. You guys haba. Poaching skills is poor when we could not create clear cut chances. Do not use sub to count. Guardiola played Yaya Toure as a Striker because of the Bullying and poor protection Iheanacho got. You guys analyse with conscience. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:43am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80:Yes with Stones at d backline,man city go no where,he lacked a lot of things as a CB |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:54am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: Guy you are killing it. So from that picture you posted, you can not see Iheanacho dropping deep. I repeat you are terrible at this. Forget defending Guardiola's training method. I am talking of you lying to defend corrupt calls of the referee. It shows your mind state. You wrote lots of things that shows your understanding of the game. It is terrible. Without copy copy, you can not have a personal opinion. I already highlighted your gaffes. Stop trying hard to save face. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:37am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:I hold u in very high esteem when analyzing on this forum,quite agreed u are man city fan coz your comments showed that u are one. We all have our respective club we are supporting as a fan and that should not make us so biased in our analysis.Remember i asked a question when u said d defenders are too old to keep up with Guardiola intense strategy meaning Guardiola should be exonerated from blame,then u came up with a good response saying he should be blamed coz he is in charge. There are things w need to say here to make this thread credible coz we have a lot of guest peeping here to get info on what is going on,mind u man city lost 4 goals to 1 which tells us they had a very bad game and no need to single out any player for blame. Normally Iheanacho is our own and i want to tell u a lot of Nigerians watching man city coz of Nacho and they have every right to appraise him.This is point blank,Iheanacho had a poor game yesterday like others and your so call tackled against Nacho,i want to tell u there are some decisions i don't argue on coz they are not clear cut situations.The tackled against Nacho by Albrighton was not a clear cut one so forget d penalty calling On d old defenders lacking d abilities to cope with Guardiola intense strategy,i totally disagreed with u coz d worst defender yesterday was Stone d youngest,not only yesterday even against Chelsea.Lahm at Bayern was able to work with Guardiola,d same thing Puyol at Barca and we have seen young defenders find it hard to break into Guardiola team. Truly Stone is young but 50m pound player must be able to do it all,forget age,is like telling me Pogba is still young to justify his price tagged.No excuse for 50m pound player,he must prove his mettle that d money is not a waste. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:42am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: Right from the start, I gave my opinion on the Man city game with respect to Iheanacho's performance. I wonder what you mean by copy copy. When you tried to make a fist of the argument, I had to go online at opta to pull kelechi's stats and unsurprisingly, his stats agreed with me that 1) he stood no chance against Huth and Morgan 2)he didn't help any build up play. 3)he saw very little of the ball and had very few touches on the ball 4)he had no attempt on goal If you think winning aerial ball isn't important, you do realise the first goal Man city conceeded was as a result of Morgan winning an ariel duel against kelechi, with the ball going to Islam, who found Vardy, Bang! You think I run the kind of analysis I do based on copy or just stats? Lol lol If I did, I would have erroneously thought that Etebo played an advanced role against Algeria. You don't have to be biased whenever matters concerning Man city are discussed. What makes you different from Robbie Savage you dissed if you can't be objective when your favourite club topic is raised. You can't even admit you guys had a bad game all round with poor tactics, instead you blame the ref. Very typical. Lol lol 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:54am On Dec 11, 2016 |
Kog45:With £50m, you should be buying a Diego Godin, Ramos or Koseilny. Not Jon Stones If Man city were to put him on transfer list this morning, they will struggle to get £15m for him. Southampton bought Virjil Van Dijk for £10m,Tottenham bought Toby Aldeweight for £11m. Joel Matip went to Liverpool on free transfer Their transfer fees combined isn't up to half of Jon Stones transfer fee. Its quite disturbing |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:55am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: Are you serious? I already stated that Ranieri's tactics was spot on. I already explained our defenders were slow for our highline set up. I already stated I will not exonerate Guardiola because his should have figured out the defenders were a liability to our system. So how can you say that I can not admit we got our tactics wrong. Learn to read before writing things like this. You make repeated gaffes and it is very bad. I pointed that Michael Oliver took away our fighting chance. That does not mean that I am saying we were flawless. Your incoherent gaffes are too much. You defend one gaffe with another. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:57am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: Are they English or is it that you do not know that the prices of English players are inflated because of the must play English rules? Na wa. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:59am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: You copy and paste. You clearly stated Iheanacho won no aerial balls. Meanwhile he did. Even without looking at the stats, I knew it was battle which is different. That was a clear gaffe from copy copy. You can not change that with long story. You did not even know Iheanacho dropped deep. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:06am On Dec 11, 2016 |
Kog45: The tackle on Iheanacho as from behind in the box. Look at the Yellow Fernando got when he clearly got the ball. Then look at Albrighton's own which was by far worse. We can not say it was not clear cut. That was a definite penalty. As I said before. We had an awful game. The defence was terrible. I have repeatedly stated Guardiola Should stick to a basic back four. When we play that way, the players no what to do. Especially the defenders. Kolarov and Stones are limited in the highline. If we must play that way, play a flat four. Let Fernando sit deep. That does not mean I should exonerate The Referee. He was awful. To me, it was clear he favored the opposition. He would let them walk away with murder. If anyone wants to criticise the team, it is fine. However, no bias lies. The referee was poor. It does not hurt. Nacho did not have a good game generally but I can not say he had a poor game. The situation was tough and unfair. Iheanacho pulled off some brilliant plays despite the terrible conditions. That is a plus, not minus. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:11am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: First of all, you said Kelechi had a good game,. It's been proven he was very ordinary in that game. You claimed he aided Man city build up play by dropping deep, its been proven that was not the case atall. If you still want to argue this line, be my guest, it won't take me 5mins to pull his heat maps. You claimed the supposed foul on kelechi was bang on penalty, Kog45 accords to what I said earlier that it wasn't. Between me and you who is posting gaffes? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:11am On Dec 11, 2016 |
Kog45: English players have inflated prices. There is no way Sterling is worth that price tag. Same goes to Stones. Stones was not as slow as Kolarov. He was not. His Problem came from his choices. His decision to ball watch instead of tracking Vardy was one. His decision to pass back in a tight situation instead of putting the ball out for a throw or making an earlier simple pass to Sagna. However, the lack of pace and stamina is even a bigger issue. Sagna tried but a younger version will excel in that game. Zabaleta, Kolarov, Clichy and Sagna are in their thirties. We need younger players to cope with the demanded runs of the system. Just like the runs Iheanacho made yesterday. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:14am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: What is proven? Your copy copy stats? Do you have an idea what ordinary is? For instance, watch the Albrighton's tackle on Iheanacho. Before it, Iheanacho made an extraordinary run to get to the ball. Here you are talking ordinary. Iheanacho made some nice controls under pressure. Here you are talking ordinary. His chance he created for Gundogan was brilliant. So you can not judge by reading stats. It is sad, you can not figure things like this even after watching the game. I wonder what you were watching if you could not see Iheanacho drop deep to help the team build-up plays. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:15am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:. Kai! Kelechi won ariel balls? Hahaha are you for real? You're even out doing yourself in biased Man city analysis. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:18am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: If you said Iheanacho did not, then it shows how limited your watching is. As I said before, aerial duels/battles are different from aerial balls. Aerial balls is when without pressure, a player heads the ball. So they are not the same thing. In battle, the Leicester defenders bullied Iheanacho off the ball repeatedly and made aerial duels difficult for him. Mr who does not know what dropping deep is. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:23am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Whats so extra ordinary with the run he made? Did he run 50yards and Albrighton hacked him down? I remember Icon4s pointing out that kelechi has a poor first touch. Against Leicester, it was quite glaring. He missed controlled a few balls and turned over possession a few times. About kelechi dropping deep, I beg to disagree. I can't recall seeing him deep in the Man city half. Maybe he was playing to Guardiola's instructions to that regard. Please, today is Sunday. Call a spade a spade. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:27am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: Go and look at the picture and tell me all the touches Iheanacho made was in the attack position. Na wa. You need microscope for medicated glasses. The run to the ball to beat Albrighton to it was extraordinary. Before Albrighton could make few steps, Nacho was on it. I screamed before the tackle. I wish you understood things like this. Mr Spade. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:35am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:When I say aerial duels, definitely you should know I mean aerial battles. You think I will be referring to unchallenged headers? Lol lol A striker leaving his natural position and dropping deep inside his half to out number the opposition and help with good passing angle is called dropping deep. Please give me your definition of dropping deep and relate it to the role Kelechi played last night. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:37am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: I will not teach you dropping deep. As for Aerial balls, you clearly missed that. Accept it and move on. Or buy Microscope. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:42am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:No wonder, now I see the problem. You were so tensed up while watching the game. I suggest you cool down and watch the full match again. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:43am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Sharp guy, see how he doged the question. You know your lies would have caught up with you if you had attempted defining what dropping deep means. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:45am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: I will not define dropping deep for you A. I will not. You should understand it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:46am On Dec 11, 2016 |
goldfish80: LOLS. Me tensed? If I was tensed, how did I pick up your gaffes. If you can not find Microscope, Yara Yara can bring one for the Lab for you. Consider it a favor. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:53am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Am not asking you define dropping deep again. I know your pattern of argument. You don't respond to questions when you feel it will overlap with your earlier assertions. Like you did with the Saviola,, Xavi golden boy argument. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 8:55am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:You said even before the tackle went in, you were already screaming. It paints the picture of a man who is tensed up. ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Loogan(m): 9:18am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: I'm happy at least people like you still exists..see the criticism this young boy is getting, to make it worse by fellow Nigerians....sometimes I wonder if they even know football. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:25am On Dec 11, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: I am going to be direct here. you said Nacho was dropping deep to help build up play, now your own explanation of dropping deep is dropping into the advanced midfield position which isn't really dropping deep but manageable sha, now goldfish has clearly stated that Nacho could only complete six passes alone, then that means that even when he dropped deep he was contributing nothing, because if you drop deep like you are trying to imply, then you should see the ball more often and you should be able to complete more than six passes obviously! that's case one, then case two, of you drop deep and the midfielders aren't giving the ball to you, it means they want you to stay up top and stretch the defence for Christ's sake which Nacho wasn't doing all game long. he dropped deep thus affording Huth and Morgan the opportunity to push higher up the field this maintaining the compactness of the Leicester team and this gave the forward line more space to press the living daylight out of the city back four. now if Nacho pushed Morgan and Huth closer to their box, then the space between the defenders and the midfielders would increase and that would give the city midfielders enough room to function in the middle, to counter that fact, the midfielders would fall deeper into their half and this will cut off the supply line to the attack, to counter this the attackers would move deeper too and that would have given the city defence the.much needed respite, whichever way you look at it Nacho was not impressive today or to put it in a better way, he wasn't inventive today, you don't always play to the coaches instructions, when things get out of hand you try some new things with your teammates inside the field. I know goldfish was wearing tinted glasses when he was watching that Nigeria vs Algeria match but his analysis of yesterday's match is spot on 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:27am On Dec 11, 2016 |
Loogan: oga, don't enter what you don't know. the bone of contention here is that someone asked how Nacho performed, we are not blaming him for the loss, we are just saying that he too was poor as well |
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