mmsen:

How can you claim that forced conversion is not permitted in Islam when Muslim 'conquests' are the means by which Islam spread?

Demmzy15:
What's your headache is they dress the way they want? Asin I don't just get, why taking paracetamol for another man's pain?

mmsen:

How can you claim that forced conversion is not permitted in Islam when Muslim 'conquests' are the means by which Islam spread?

EazyMoh:

The best proof lies in the same conquest you mentioned.
When a settlement is approached by a Muslim troop under the command of a recognized Muslim head, the conquered people are introduced to Islam and offered the options.
1. Accept Islam and abide by all its commandments, or
2. Reject Islam but allow us to evangelize in your community and beyond safely, you will not harm us and we will not harm you. If there is a significant Muslim population in the settlement or there is need for protection, then those non-Muslims are given a Dimmi citizenship where they pay a Dimmi tax in exchange for the security of their lives and property.
3. If they reject both options above then they are fought until they surrender. You don't expect to keep an enemy within your walls.
So you see there's a clear option for one to keep his faith and millions did throughout history. So long it's a true Islamic conquest endorsed by authentic Islamic leadership. This was the pattern used throughout the reign of the Prophet and the Rashidun Caliphs. Anything other than this format is un-Islamic.

EazyMoh:

The best proof lies in the same conquest you mentioned.
When a settlement is approached by a Muslim troop under the command of a recognized Muslim head, the conquered people are introduced to Islam and offered the options.
1. Accept Islam and abide by all its commandments, or
2. Reject Islam but allow us to evangelize in your community and beyond safely, you will not harm us and we will not harm you. If there is a significant Muslim population in the settlement or there is need for protection, then those non-Muslims are given a Dimmi citizenship where they pay a Dimmi tax in exchange for the security of their lives and property.
3. If they reject both options above then they are fought until they surrender. You don't expect to keep an enemy within your walls.
So you see there's a clear option for one to keep his faith and millions did throughout history. So long it's a true Islamic conquest endorsed by authentic Islamic leadership. This was the pattern used throughout the reign of the Prophet and the Rashidun Caliphs. Anything other than this format is un-Islamic.

true2god:
Don't get it wrong, niqab and burka are not voluntary dress styles in real Islamic States like Saudi Arabia and Iran (and don't tell me the Saudis [s]or the Iranians don't follow the sunnah of your criminal prophet).[/s]

[s]www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10323303/I-was-forced-to-wear-the-veil-and-I-wish-no-other-woman-had-to-suffer-it.html

www.pinkpangea.com/2016/10/how-to-be-a-woman-in-saudi-arabia-abayas-hijabs-and-segregation/


www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/08/what-is-appropriate-attire-for-women-in-muslim-countries/[/s]

Niqab, Burqa and Abaya is never a voluntary dress code in a real Islamic country, women are forced to wear them or risk jailed or even death.

On women wearing Niqab, abaya or burqa in non-islamic countries, some are voluntary while others are not. For the voluntary ones, the women concerned have had their psychological code, conditioned in Muslim countries, to believe that women that wear gown, skirt and blouse, jean trousers, pant, etc, are kafirs who are going to hell.

Note that, according to Mohammed and allahh, the largest occupants of hell fire are women. And so 'islamically', Muslim countries are helping women in the area of dressing, so that the don't go to hell fire.

And some Muslims are forced to wear hijab or abaya in western world. Young girls from Muslim homes are always forced to wear the hijab, Niqab or abaya by their parents. Many Muslim parents have killed their daughters for refusing to wear it.

In a nonconservative Islamic state Niqab, hijab, burqa or abaya might be voluntary, but in Islamic states it is compulsory.

Demmzy15:


I don't understand what you mean here, but if you go to Saudi Arabia today, you'll find many women who don't wear the hijab, some wear and some wear the Niqab. This is an Islamic state, hijab is what a woman should wear but when she doesn't, it becomes a sin(minor).



Very unnecessary!



A reliable quote about this from a credible scholar of Ahl Sunnah would do please, you reading an doesn't mean it's true. So back up your words, criminal!



Your problem is you think you're very intelligent but you're super dull. You don't even think! Majority of the women wearing Niqab in non-Muslim countries were never forced with many of them being converts as per a CNN interview between a Muslim feminist and a Niqabi.

As for the underlined, I'm waiting for proofs that women who were gown, blouse, etc are hell bound.



Ode ni boboyi sha



But according to this non-Muslims feminists, she said all the Muslim women she found in the UK who wore the Niqab did so on their own. In fact, there were cases in which their parents tried persuading to wear only hijab but they refused. It's available for everyone to hear, it's just a 5min audio http://www.abukhadeejah.com/bbc-interview-non-muslim-feminist-talks-about-her-research-into-salafi-women-niqab-conversion-religious-compulsion-and-terrorism-dr-anabel-inge/



See your flat'head, drug peddler, your time would soon be up. Sha make sure you don't enter Indonesia(a Muslim country) because you'll be executed like a criminal that you're.

A woman without an hijab in an Islamic State is frowned at but never punished, go to Saudi and see many for yourself. Stop reading rubbish online!

EazyMoh:
You shall note that we are only obliged to reply guys like you simply for the sake of those reading. Anybody with a clear mind can understand and differentiate the truth from falsehood.
Every land every people and everything they owned on earth and beyond belongs to Allah (S.W.T). So He was the one who gave Muslims the rights to travel far and beyond to spread the message of Islam. Is a duty upon every Muslim so long there is an organized and recognized Islamic leadership.
And yes @true2god, that is exactly what it is. Weren't you and your fang jubilating the other day on one thread where Germany might ban face veil? This is exactly the kind of conditions Muslims have to put up with in places governed by non-Muslim authority and they are bound to abide by the laws of the land unless they feel they can't practice their religion properly. In that they are encouraged to emigrate to another land where they can be comfortable just like the Prophet himself did.
Moreover this is the same pattern the colonialists used to conquer Americas, Africa and the rest of the world, even though their main objective was to plunder and loot their conquered territories. If not for that, most of you would still be worshipping Amadioha or eventually conquered by Sokoto Caliphate.

Pharaoh9:
They should just ban Islam and nuke Saudi Arabia

true2god:
Well, it is islamically acceptable to lie, got no time to look into the bogus statistics you attempted to show. I take reality over statistics.

true2god:
I wont call you an idiot. Germany is not colonizing Muslims, Muslims are the ones running to Germany for food and shelter.

Germans own the land and has the right to make laws necessary to protect their country.

If I decide to move to Saudi Arabia (God forbid) it is necessary that I obey the law of the land, even it is an ad-hoc law issued to serve a peculiar situation or problem. Dont act like an idiot.

I like the way you attempt to draw a parralel between European colonization and the arab-muslim invasion of Africa. You will agree that both the Europeans and the Arab-muslims are evil in the invasion of Africa. While the Europeans came to plunder Africa of her resources, which they are still doing,

the arab-muslims came to destroy African heritage, language and culture, which you criminal Muslim call 'the pre-islamic period of ignorance'. What gives the Arab-muslims right to call other people's language, culture, heritage and history 'THE PRE-ISLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE'?

And dnt get it twisted, the Europeans also colonized the Arabs the late 19th and early 20th century. The Europeans also created the nation of Israel in the middle of the Arab world, as a means to keeping the Arabs engaged in fighting among themselves and the Jews, so that the Arabs-Muslims will not have time to think technology and science, but will spend their energy thinking about how to destroy the state of isreal, as Mohammed ordered in the ha-death. The Europeans have helped shaped the mind of Arabs into perpetual hatred hence no time for critical thinking.

The Europeans are also plundering the Muslim world by their unrestricted exploration (exploitation) of oil and gas, and installing puppets kings in Saudi Arabia, uae, Kuwait, qatar, enrich the 'royal family' and make the rest poor. The good thing is that the kafirs, while exploiting the Arabs-muslims are also helping them build their infrastructure.

Let me stop here because an average Muslim lack critical....... skill (fill in the gap).

true2god:
I think Angela Merkel's christian democrat is not sincere here. Why allow 1million muslim invaders, whose culture require their women to cover-up like african masqurade, into your country only to tell them not to wear burka or niqab? Its not gonna work.

This is only a political move to save her politically dying career. The Gernans are angry with her and she want to use muslims as scape goat to improve her political ratin. She is only deceptive like hillary clinton.

alBHAGDADI:
Are you educated at all? I wonder why you believe paintings of mary that were done centuries after her death and by people whose grandparents were not even born yet.
Those pictures circulating aren't a representation of Mary. God punish the Catholic Church for their lies, which the Muslims are holding on to, and for making unsuspecting Christians worship a statue of a so-called Mary.

EazyMoh:

Lol! It appears you are more angry than the supposed enslaved women.
I believe Mary the mother of Jesus together with all the nuns that wear veil are enslaved as well. Then go free them first then come talk about Muslim women.

Demmzy15:


So what's wrong with that, there's war and Muslims run to wherever they want to. It's allowed under international law, so your nagging is just for fun.



Yes that's true, Islam requires you to respect the authorities and if their rules are contradictory to your religion, you leave the land. Moreover, Germany is a secular country and whatever rule they lay down which affects Muslims can challenged under the law. So what's your problem exactly?



Make sure when you are moving to Saudi, you should be clean. Because if you are caught like your kinsmen, they won't hesitate to execute a criminal like you.



It was a result of European evil colonization that your father's became Christians, so in essence you agree that your religion was gotten from evil men.



Please could you be clear with this, last time I checked. I speak English, Yoruba and Arabic. My culture which contradicts Islam have been discarded, eg, bowing down, masquerade festivals, etc. The same can be said about Christianity, some of your barbaric culture have been replaced, so why the double standards?!



Pfft!



All I can do is to laugh at your stupidity, honestly mehn, you're senseless!



The only ones who lacks critical thinking is you and your cohorts, just too senseless!

Demmzy15:
Is it that your brain is too old or probably you're suffering from low self-esteem. Nigerian constitution allows Christmas, Easter and Sundays as work free day and you dare open your rotten mouth to criticize Muslim holidays?

Now you've confirmed that you're indeed devoid of sense!

Demmzy15:
What's your headache is they dress the way they want? Asin I don't just get, why taking paracetamol for another man's pain?

I may ban hijab if female suicide bombing continues – Buhari.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/12/30/i-may-ban-hijab-if-female-suicide-bombing-continues-buhari/

Demmzy15:


So what's wrong with that, there's war and Muslims run to wherever they want to. It's allowed under international law, so your nagging is just for fun.

Demmzy15:


So what's wrong with that, there's war and Muslims run to wherever they want to. It's allowed under international law, so your nagging is just for fun.

true2god:
Yes, there is war in Syria and Muslims are running to the land of the kafirs while their arab-muslim brothers, like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait are rejecting them.

What a shame that arab-muslims cannot even help one another. Oh sorry, President Bashir Assad is a shia Muslim so he cannot get help from a sunni Muslim country (quran 8:39).

On your second point, Muslims taking advantage of the kindness of the kafirs to promote Islamic agenda, what a snake Muslims are? No sane human being takes a snake as pet and the Germans are already regretting allowing mass Muslim migration into their country.

http://qz.com/786261/germany-and-europes-migrant-crisis-in-a-rare-show-of-regret-angela-merkel-admits-she-lost-control-of-her-refugee-policy/

https://pjmedia.com/blog/germany-already-regretting-open-door-policy-to-refugees/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/705572/Germany-Angela-Merkel-politics-refugee-migrant-immigration-EU-Europe

On your third points, most Nigerians caught in Saudi Arabia on drug-related offenses are yorubas, see links below.

http://sunnewsonline.com/3-nigerian-pilgrims-arrested-in-saudi-for-drug-trafficking/

http://punchng.com/drug-trafficking-saudi-arabia-yet-behead-pilgrims/

https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/170043/buhari-angry-ndlea-nigerian-pilgrims-cocaine-scandal-saudi-arabia

And FYI, some famous Saudi princes are also engaged in drug trafiking. Perhaps there might be a collabo between some Nigerians and Saudi citizens on drug traffkings. See links below:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34700489

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/saudi_arabia_executes_people_over_drugs_while_its_princes_are_caught_with_tons_of_drugs_at_the_airport/

On your 4th point, the Europeans brought both good (education, Christianity, medicine and modern infrastructure) and evil (slavery and exploitation) to Africa while the arab-muslims brought nothing but mosques and trans-sahara slave trade, long before the European transatlantic slave trade.

On your 5th point, the Sudanese, the Somalis and the Egyptians have had all their culture and languages destroyed as a result of Islam.

A country without culture is without root or history and Islam does not promote multiculturalism but will only destroy native culture and replace with Arab barbaric culture and superstition packaged as ISLAM.

Hope you get these into your tick skull.

Demmzy15:
Cc Parisbookaddict, what can you say about this statement from your rebellious footsoldier?

EazyMoh:

The best proof lies in the same conquest you mentioned.
When a settlement is approached by a Muslim troop under the command of a recognized Muslim head, the conquered people are introduced to Islam and offered the options.
1. Accept Islam and abide by all its commandments, or
2. Reject Islam but allow us to evangelize in your community and beyond safely, you will not harm us and we will not harm you. If there is a significant Muslim population in the settlement or there is need for protection, then those non-Muslims are given a Dimmi citizenship where they pay a Dimmi tax in exchange for the security of their lives and property.
3. If they reject both options above then they are fought until they surrender. You don't expect to keep an enemy within your walls.
So you see there's a clear option for one to keep his faith and millions did throughout history. So long it's a true Islamic conquest endorsed by authentic Islamic leadership. This was the pattern used throughout the reign of the Prophet and the Rashidun Caliphs. Anything other than this format is un-Islamic.

Demmzy15:


The above countries host millions of refugees, the world has open its eyes. This is no longer a tool you and your cohorts would use for propaganda any more.



You see why I say you're devoid of sense? Playing about with issues which obviously shows your low self-esteem and frustration.



Lmao, the only reason why the West is relatively accommodating is because they've left religion and opted for secularism. Was it not this same Germany that participated in 31years war in which catholics and Protestants butchered each other with 8 million deaths?

Mr. Man stop hyping yourself!




Guy leave me with all this your mushroom sites. The era of you spreading evil talks on Nairaland has come to an end, don't think because we ignore you mean we've got nothing.



Lmao!!! What of Indonesia, China, Malaysia? Are they not Igbos, I was advising that when you want to carry that thing, don't near Saudi because your head would drop!



They are destroying filths na, the link you provided doesn't in any way support you.



Europeans were only able to wise up when they invaded Muslims during the crusades in which they slaughtered millions of civilians.



What culture are you talking about? Expantiate better. Last time I checked, this people still have cultures they keep, in fact in Somalia they speak Somali and then Arabic.



If is against multiculturalism, then Turkey, Afghanistan, Kurdish regions, South East Asia would all be arabazied. But reverse is the case, as a Christian you can't proudly tell us that Christianity didn't replace your culture. An example is that, Igbos before Christianity were polygamous but today that's not the case.. .. Use your sense guy!



Of course yes, but you refuse to take in facts. You're stubborn and whenever facts are presented you refuse just because of your baseless hate.

Hope you heard that a church collapsed, it's very sad I must say that the holy spirit would allow that kind of thing to happen to those were worshipping, very pathetic!

masseratti:
but How can You follow a religion that spread with conquest, war, violence, rape and still claim you are worshipping God, is that sane? what happens to preaching, convincing people to see your points, if they accept fine if they don't leave them and let them face God on Judgment day, are you guys playing God? judging people, going to war because your beliefs are different? same thing Mohammed did, same thing Dan fodio did, attacking people that didn't offend you in anyway, same thing boko haram and ISIS are doing right now.

masseratti:
read your history very well, Muslims invaded Christians 1st, Egypt and Syrian Christians plus Iraq. Nothing peace ful about Islam.

Demmzy15:
You're the who's to read your history. The Byzantine Christians attacked Muslims, this same Christian empire persecuted and killed fellow Christians until Muslims came to their rescue.

Read please!

masseratti:
but How can You follow a religion that spread with conquest, war, violence, rape and still claim you are worshipping God, is that sane? what happens to preaching, convincing people to see your points, if they accept fine if they don't leave them and let them face God on Judgment day, are you guys playing God? judging people, going to war because your beliefs are different? same thing Mohammed did, same thing Dan fodio did, attacking people that didn't offend you in anyway, same thing boko haram and ISIS are doing right now.

masseratti:
read your history very well, Muslims invaded Christians 1st, Egypt and Syrian Christians plus Iraq. Nothing peace ful about Islam.

EazyMoh:

Check Option 2 again.
You can live your entire life as a non-Muslim under the protection of Islam practicing your religion as long you obey the conditions given by the Islamic authorities. What's hard there to understand?

annunaki2:


Why do you enjoy writing disgusting obvious lies