HardMirror:

And what is your alternative to evolution if I may ask. Seems you know something many of us don't know

Yeah, I know a fool says in his heart that there's no God.

ambassagod:


4everGod, are you there?

it is cool

So... Who'd Bell the cat?


We'd take testimonies from bro Seun, Bro.... Well, other Atheists...

Teempakguy:


the fact is, an Almighty God is perfectly capable of coming into existence from nothing. Why not? I'm not an atheist because I think it's impossible for that to happen.

God is eternal , He did not come out from nothing . He has always been .

ambassagod:


you see why I said you upgraded your ding dumbness??

where did I make such a claim as you as quoted?

the dumb nonsense you wrote up there is ENTIRELY OPPOSITE towards my view on God-view.

you just faked up a delusion and now trying hard to pin me to it, which is not even working.

just swerve out biko.

lol
So you are promise10
And later you'll have mouth to call all athiests "hardmirrors" (whatever the Bleep that means)
Wedon

jonbellion:
looool But we have addressed evolution before naa It was just tiring to see another thread

lies
hardmirrored lairs.

jonbellion:
lol
So you are promise10
And later you'll have mouth to call all athiests "hardmirrors" (whatever the Bleep that means)
Wedon

you can even call me 4everGod, damogul, felixOMor. who cares?

ambassagod:


you can even call me 4everGod, damogul, felixOMor. who cares?

yeah no one gives a Bleep
I'm just calling you out cuz you lied about being a new user
And then later you'd start calling out others
Lol all you thiests sef
And you wonder why anyone should take y'all seriously

KingEbukasBlog:


God is eternal , He did not come out from nothing . He has always been .

Ebuka nwanne can you imagine the volume of cop outs on this thread alone from the advocates for atheism? The super armchair scientific atheists on Nairaland.

I am still in shock here

MrMontella:
one.

this guy deserves some ban.

why would any sane person act in such a ridiculous manner of screaming one, two three..., on a thread like this? what connection has 1 2 3 4 got to do with the evolution lies the op just exposed?

only insane people would act in such a manner.

please mind yourself a bit.

Teempakguy:
LOL . . . ?

I wonder what you think a god is?

4everGod:


Ebuka nwanne can you imagine the volume of cop outs on this thread alone from the advocates for atheism? The super armchair scientific atheists on Nairaland.

I am still in shock here

Na nwanne m fallacies upandan , the conspicuous ones are argumentum ad lapidem and Pooh-pooh . They keep dismissing your arguments as being unworthy of serious consideration and claiming its absurd without giving proof of its absurdity

DeepSight:


What is so tiring is how these folk are in the habit of saying that they have "addressed" or "thrashed out" an issue (such as evolution for example) whereas in fact they have only ever provided hot air.

just to masturbate with false perception.

jonbellion:
I started I didn't finish I already saw you making creationist assumptions all over again

don't be lazy. go back and read up.

MrMontella:

what lies are you breeding?

Genes cannot be added to existing genes?
And yet the E.coli evolved new genes to enable it digest citrate?
Pls stop abeg!

If your brain cannot understand the fact that I was addressing "ape to human" evolution, then don't mention me again.

The bolded above: it's either you're deliberately lying or you didn't read well about Richard Lenski's long-term evolution experiments.

Perhaps the most famous of all observations in Dr. Lenski’s long-term evolution experiment was when an E. coli population began to utilize a new energy source (citrate) that they normally could not use under aerobic conditions. It is important to note that E. coli already have the ability to transport and metabolize citrate, but the bacteria typically cannot do so in oxic conditions as it does not produce an appropriate transporter in this type of environment (among other required factors). The genetic changes that underlie this particular adaptation are complex, but a key event involved the replication of a genomic region that regulates a citrate transporter. This amplification captured apreviously existing and aerobically expressed promoter (the promoter forrnk) which could then direct transcription of the citrate transporter (citT). Repeated tandem amplifications refined this function.

Cc: MrMontella

benzics:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub7l1D7_B2I

Let me see you saying that the scientist is "god in human flesh"...

@

Bros,
That dog didn't die in the first place.

It's unfortunate I came in late.

The unobservable idea of molecules-to-man evolution hypothesizes that all living things have been derived from a common, simple ancestor in our distant past. This would require the accumulation of novel information over a long period of time through genetic mutations. However, Lenski’s experiment demonstrates that the vast majority of fitness benefits are actually due to the disruption, degradation, or loss of genetic information. A possible exception to this tendency is the evolution of citrate utilization in aerobic conditions; however, no novel information was gained in this instance as this ability was the result of previously existing information being rearranged and used in a different way. The novelty here was that no one had ever observed a promoter capture event for a gene involved in central metabolism.

Cc: MrMontella

DoctorAlien:


If your brain cannot understand the fact that I was addressing "ape to human" evolution, then don't mention me again.

The bolded above: it's either you're deliberately lying or you didn't read well about Richard Lenski's long-term evolution experiments.

The falsified Lenski experiments.

It must be remembered that fitness
improvements or even gains of protein function are not equivalent to a gain of novel information (GONI). A loss of information occurring in a regulatory region may improve gene product function by increasing its expression, but this would not represent a GONI. Neither would a mutation that brings back a function that was previously lost, a decrease in specificity of a protein’s function, a rearrangement of already existing information, the duplication of existing information, or the general increase in diversity over time. A GONI must involve a mutational event or series of events that enable the production of novel protein(s) that can perform a specific and previously unknown activity. This type of mutation has not been observed.

Cc: MrMontella

Findings from this experiment demonstrate that the vast majority of adaptations are due to the loss of unique genetic information. This is utterly opposed to the requirements of molecules-to-man evolution and is why Lenski’s experiment actually provides evidence against the truth of this idea.

You get it? E. coli did not "evolve" into a citrate-utilizing organim: it simply rearranged the previously existing information to be able to utilize citrate in aerobic conditions.

Cc: MrMontella

flamingREED:


Bros,
That dog didn't die in the first place.

It's unfortunate I came in late.

OH it's not dead? Can you come let me behead you and watch you live??

Mtcheew

KingEbukasBlog:


God is eternal , He did not come out from nothing . He has always been .

that's what you said.

4everGod:


The falsified Lenski experiments.

falsified by who??
Converspedia
The laughing stock of the internet
Lol
They were just pained his experiments had an effect on thier beliefs

DeepSight:


God is the sum of all primordial living energy itself and everything alive is an emanation of that primordial energy.



I said - everything alive. This not only includes animals, it even extends to plants and entire worlds.



I am saying that God is the energy itself. And no, nothing arises by chance.



I don't know how this is relevant, and I don't see how prayer arises in this discussion. I have not said anything about prayer. All scientific work is profitable to the world so long as it is used positively. All humans are gods in the flesh, your scientist inclusive. I don't see the relevance of your deranged rambling and epileptic foaming at the mouth.

The prayer part was directed to Christians as you can see that post wasn't directed to you alone..

And it's great that you've acknowledged all humans as god in flesh, I mean that way you won't have to disturb us of a God in spirit that we know nothing about..

And if you keep going "logic this, logic that, logic those", toh you are on your own since we at least expect an evidence, not an "assuming evidence", like the "living energy" you know nothing about..

You can keep telling yourself there is God, but we as rational human beings do not adhere to the notion of a God that we know nothing about!! and quit telling us about your Ill logics, because if you were mowgley of the "jungle book", you won't open your mouth to tell us "Because of logic, YOU KNOW OF A GOD YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT", the irony

benzics:

OH it's not dead? Can you come let me behead you and watch you live??

Mtcheew

To help your tiny wit,
Find out what 'suspended animation' is.

cells of the body can be kept alive for fifty years and more outside the human body,
If they're put in the right culture.

Even mouth to mouth resuscitation should inform you that death isn't always so sudden.
As long as the cells are furnished with oxygen and nutrients from other sources,
They can live.

That scientist should have let the dog lie dead for a day at least,
And then try to resuscitate it thereafter ..

flamingREED:


To help your tiny wit,
Find out what 'suspended animation' is.

cells of the body can be kept alive for fifty years and more outside the human body,
If they're put in the right culture.

Even mouth to mouth resuscitation should inform you that death isn't always so sudden.
As long as the cells are furnished with oxygen and nutrients from other sources,
They can live.

That scientist should have let the dog lie dead for a day at least,
And then try to resuscitate it thereafter ..

Either ways that is a proof that there is no God and after life, since it's possible to preserve life and later re-animate the life years or even centuries after...

benzics:

Either ways that is a proof that there is no God and after life, since it's possible to preserve life and later re-animate the life years or even centuries after...

This guy and his dumb conclusions.

DeepSight:


You really are quite piece of work. Unsubstantiated claims? I am not the one who claims that nothing can exist and also says that everything can happen in nothing.

I say the reverse: which is manifestly true and sound: that no such thing as nothingness exists.

Please tell me where you have observed nothingness. Interestingly in your first revert you even talked about "observing nothingness!"

Pray sire, do help us attain this wonderful state of elevation of the mind in which we can "observe" nothing!



Of course. And the question cannot even arise about it in the first place as there is no such thing as nothing.



Of course again. And again the question cannot even arise about it in the first place as there is no such thing as nothing.



Go ahead: stop it if you can.



Go ahead: limit it if you can.



Of course none does. This is a fact. Contradict it logically if you can. Also show us the perfect vacuum you have been privileged to observe sir.

again, this ridiculous fallacy of personal incredulity.

I stated clearly earlier that humans are quite incapable of observing or imagining nothing. myself included. I have also repeatedly stated that the point of me describing a void is to show you that your assertions are flawed. In a part, I use the word 'observe nothing' if this is what is confusing you, know that I meant evaluate, consider, or process. don't get stuck on grammar.

you make yet another ridiculous claim: "there is no such thing as nothing."
yet we are currently discussing nothing. is it possible to talk of something that if no concept of it exists?

you haven't proven your claims yet. eternity is just a concept. no one has ever observed an eternal object. similarly, an infinite space is merely a mathematical construct. No one knows if the universe is infinite or not. indeed, no infinite object has ever been observed physically. if you claim they do, you'll have to provide a proof or evidence. you have done neither, instead, I find myself being coerced to prove a negative.


why?

benzics:

Either ways that is a proof that there is no God and after life, since it's possible to preserve life and later re-animate the life years or even centuries after...

So its possible to reanimate life years or even centuries after? Can you show me one that has been successfully done? You speak of Cryonics. So show me one that has been done.

benzics:

Either ways that is a proof that there is no God and after life, since it's possible to preserve life and later re-animate the life years or even centuries after...

1. You mean you have discovered how to resuscitate cryopreserved people ?

2. You mean you are finally back from your peregrination from every possible dimension to discover that there is no God ?

Gombs:



Yeah, I know a fool says in his heart that there's no God.

yes, and the wise thinks a God sacrificed himself to himself to save his creation from his creation.

Teempakguy:


0. yes, really.

1. I meant NOT nothing. a square circle, a dot, even an imaginary complex number is still something. Nothing is quite literally . . . Nothing.

2. time is not a necessary thing. it's just another dimension. one that has been shown to be quite malleable in the theories of relativity. if you are incapable of imagining a place without space nor time, that is not my fault.

3. @bolded which you asked me to explain: I assumed it was self-explanatory, but hey,

imagine a black piece of paper. say I come to you and claim this paper will immediately become white. what will you say? the laws of physics prevent this. in other words, if not for the laws, I can claim that anything will happen and it could. I can claim that a three horned unicorn will suddenly appear. for every argument you make that this will not happen, I can make a symmetrical, yet opposite argument that it will.

nothing is the ultimate fair dice. totally unpredictable because there are simply no laws or constraints.

the fact is, an Almighty God is perfectly capable of coming into existence from nothing. Why not? I'm not an atheist because I think it's impossible for that to happen.

Mr Teempakguy
I think Sir DeepSight has properly addressed your misconception of Nothing so I won't go any further.

And on object creating it self; I am glad I was not the only one that saw the absurdity.