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Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 9:20am On Dec 14, 2016 |
Take God out of reasoning and NOTHING is ultimately meaningful- *Time *Matter *Space *Morals *Compassion *Justice *Life *Death *Education *Friendship *Government *Capitalism *Communism *Pain *Pleasure... Nothing will be meaningful and your arguments will only be based on another meaningless variable: your view/opinion. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ValentineMary(m): 9:28am On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:It is because of Christians like this that I no longer frequent the religious section. U can't even see intelligent debates again. Only display of ego and religious bigotry. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 9:30am On Dec 14, 2016 |
Everything becomes subjective, unreal and / or meaningless with God out of the picture. The ultimate atheist is who believes that nothing exists or nothing is real- not just God. Those who have not developed in atheism as such will mock that idea but it is very obvious how correct it will if of truth God does not exist. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 9:34am On Dec 14, 2016 |
ValentineMary:Suddenly, at first contact, you KNOW BEYOND DOUBT that this topic has to be a debate and that the Op is displaying ego and bigotry... and that's not bigotry or at least prejudice? Did you read what follows? 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by randomperson: 9:43am On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:So because I don't know all things, there must be a god who does?? This is a new level of fvckery |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by akintom(m): 9:50am On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: Religious folks definitely live in another mental realm, that has been defined as chronic delusion. If not, a god that has effectively been revealed to be irrelevant and non existent in all areas of human endeavors, will not still be reckoned with. So pathetic and pitiable life of certain specie. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:01am On Dec 14, 2016 |
jonbellion: Shut up abeg |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 11:06am On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:there is no point asking what your experience is. Because every other religious person of other religion claim to av had a special experience of a supernatural being... God. Your "how" doesn't matter. Because there are thousands of how others experience God, before yours and even now. The most appropriate question is; What makes yours different? How can you reject other claims like yours? What makes yours any more authentic? 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 11:21am On Dec 14, 2016 |
randomperson: You need to develop listening and communication skills. Read about how to engage in meaningful discussions. No embarrassment or abuse intended. Just what I've noticed since I started interacting with you. For example, this quoted response of yours miss the mark of what is said. I was trying to show you that you first need a paradigm shift: "If there is God". YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND OTHERS WHEN YOU LOOK OBSERVE THEM FROM YOUR OWN PARADIGM ONLY. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 11:40am On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho:It is not "what", it is "Who". And that's the essence of all I have been saying. You cannot know God by reasoning it out or just taking the Bible to read, however important these are. It is by a divine revelation... and until then, you can change from "believing"(ordinary mental assent) to unbelieving or doubting and you can change from one religion to another... Until God reveals Himself to you, you cannot know the difference between the original and the fake because He lets you know that in your heart. That's the reason I said earlier on that if you don't think God is worth knowing, you won't seek to know Him. But you don't dictate to Him; He is not under obligation to reveal Himself to you if you don't care to know Him. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 11:49am On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:These line of arguments have been used several times on this forum. And you've emphasized my point in the bolded part. Religious claims are unreasonable! This is deduced from your bolded statement above. At least you agree to that. And THAT is my point. To your advice. If you seek God well enough, beyond your present religion., you'll become an atheist! I challenge you to try, if you are sure of the certainty of your religion. You are still caught I the webs of an average Nigerian religionist mentality. Perhaps, you have reached the walls of doubt, and thought within yourself, "life will be meaningless without a God" and crawl back accepting dogmatic suppositions and ancient jewish myths as truth when every other cultures of the world still has their religious standings which works for them. Believe it or not, I've been on your side of this argument. Read about other religious claims, assess yours and make logical deductions. They are all anchored on strong believes, and unverifiable assertions. No difference! Add this as a bonus. The story of the world being saved by a "son of God" isn't special to the Hebrews. You need to search more. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by LiberaDeus: 11:56am On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: You Christians are so so funny. Let me ask you a question How do you know your divine revelation of god is the real one ? You claim god revealing himself to you will let you know the original and the fake , now think for yourself, do you think members of other religions don't have that conviction that they are in the right place and god has revealed the right thing to them. If God reveals himself to me, why would I think my own divine revelation is better than that of others. In the end, you can't use internal conviction to determine truth cause then you would have over 1000 truths. Why do you Christians feel you are the only guys with a deep conviction and the only ones that receive divine revelation. If you realize that many other Muslims, Hindus and members of other religions receive divine revelations and have convictions of truth then you would look to the only thing that can be used to determine truth which is - EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. If your God is real then the truth of his existence must have an effect on reality that can be measured. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by Mirallas: 12:30pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
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Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by peacesamuel94(m): 12:41pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
Mirallas: so if a gate is placed there barring her from the tree, of what use is her freewill. 2 Likes |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 12:47pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:Now you can ask logical questions. Funny... real funny. The amazing part is that you don't see the irony in that. Why don't you give us a more reasonable account of creation. Rather than question someone who doesn't accept it in the first place. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by peacesamuel94(m): 12:57pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho: My belief In the existence of God is not limited to just the creation story. There are contemporary proofs all pointing to this fact. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 1:00pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:How does these contemporary proofs, whatever they are, indicates that Yahweh of the Bible exists? Which of the gods does your contemporary proofs identifies with? Zeus, Allah, Vishnu, Brahma, etc faithfuls are all relying on the contemporary proofs as evidences. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 1:37pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho:Do you mean something like: Because we have adopted son, biological son, orphans, step son, son-in-law. If a biological son did enough research he will discover he doesn't have a parent? Just an illustration. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 1:47pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
LiberaDeus:Emperical Evidence like what exactly? And who will conduct the experiment, with what? What is the evidence that guarantees that the test WILL prove to YOU who the true God is. Before I talk about miracles, but I realise that many atheists are not even ready accept idea of miracles. Not ready to accept anything else as evidence except some ideas in their heads that cannot be proven. Let's first get started by defining what that evidence YOU will accept as such is like. And please don't create a distracting reply. Let's talk about evidence. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 1:57pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:This is a pathetic one. I'm sure you got my point. You are new here. Many have come and gone back as diferent persons. Read through the posts over again and again. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 2:04pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
Mirallas:Your assumptions: 1. Inaction is inability 2. Inaction is ignorance 3. Everyone should understand why, otherwise it is wrong or false. It's obvious you should know better than that. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by LiberaDeus: 2:11pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: Ok since you asked, let me reply you. These are your claims and correct me if i am wrong 1. You know God the father and you have a relationship with him 2. His name is Yahweh and his sons name is Jesus. 3. He created the world 6000 years ago and created the first 2 human beings named adam and eve 4. He sent his only son to die for humanity and cleanse humanity of its sins. 5. He has given you his spirit and spiritual gifts like speaking in other languages etc 6. His word is the holy bible which is the inerrant, perfect word of god. Am sure as a christian you believe all the above. The empirical evidence you can show me should start from the last of the above claims 1. Prove to me that the holy bible is the inerrant word of an almighty creator. If i am to analyze the book, i will find over a 1000 errors and contradictions which have been documented http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm in the link. The biblical errors already destroy one of the major claims of christianity 2.If you have the spirit of god and other christians have the same spirit then lets see some of the spiritual gifts you guys claim to have. You ar the one making the claim so you should be the one showing us the proof of your supernatural powers 3. Prove to us scientifically that the claims in the bible concerning the age of the earth, the beginning of death and original sin, the claims of the exodus etc can be verified. I dont need to ask you for much proof. There is already a branch of christianity dedicated to this stuff and they are called christian apologetics. It has been going on for centuries. I doubt if you can bring any tangible proof since your predecessors havent been able to do that. In the end you guys always revert back to internal conviction and blind faith which is no proof at all. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 2:31pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho:Don't call it pathetic. The problem is, how do I relate spiritual realties to you in a language you can understand. I'm just telling you that the existence of so many called gods and supernatural experiences is no proof that My God is not the real God neither does it strengthen your argument that God doesn't exist. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by Iseoluwani: 2:35pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
LiberaDeus Mirallas otem. And co 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 2:53pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
LiberaDeus:What I observe is that you atheists make a lot of assumptions and you go from assumption without evidence to conclusions. 1. Does contradiction in report prove something did not occur? God's word is perfect but humans are not. God has not stopped using the imperfect to communicate His perfection. That's why He is God. Nothing is beyond Him and He doesn't have your anxiety and worries. He knows how to get His message across even with human errors. 2. You mean you've not seen them? Or that you have your perception about how they should be that they are not- like you know anything before? These things happen every day in different ways, not because we want to prove anything but as God wills- because He knows who really needs what. 3. Many in that field has put many proofs forward but again this "law of paradigms" comes to play: YOUR BELIEVE DETERMINES YOUR INTERPRETATION. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:02pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:I've never said you can't believe whatever you like. Your beliefs doesn't count as facts. But don't use the word "know" ignorantly. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 3:12pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho:Your insistence on "know" assumes that knowledge ends with what the senses can perceive. But that's some measure of ignorance. Humans are more than chemicals. It doesn't matter if you choose to believe otherwise. That won't change what is truth. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 3:21pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." JESUS |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:27pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:I urged you to read extensively on the concept of knowledge. I insisted on "know" because it's meaning destroys the foundation of your claims. And you don't have any verifiable truths to support your God-claims. Like I said before, I've been on your side. I still insist that you have no knowledge of any supernatural being. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by LiberaDeus: 3:27pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: 1. Your first claim that god is perfect but humans arent debunks christianity already. If imperfect humans corrupted gods word then how do you know the extent to which it was corrupted. What if the whole religion is corrupted. Lets examine this facts - The over 50 messianic prophecies werent fulfilled by Jesus in any way - The claim of god being loving is totally contradicted by the behavior of yahweh in the old testament and the existence of a place of eternal torment for sinners - The historical claims of the bible are very bogus and inaccurate - The scientific claims of the bible are questionable and primitive The above mentioned errors are not just slight errors that we can attribute to human failures but humongous monumental contradictions that cant be glossed over. These contradictions show that the whole stuff is man made. 2. There are 2 billion christians in the world. According to the gospel of mark, christians should heal the sick, raise the dead, drink poison and generally perform miraculous feats. Even if half the christians are heretics, the number is so large that we should see real life effects of this power. Independent investigations into faith healing claims have proven that no miraculous healing can be confirmed only remissions, psychosomatic effects of religion etc. This isnt rocket science. We all know that christians are normal human beings that can be sick, poor, rich, dumb, wise etc. There is nothing in your lifestyles and belief that show there is a seperate effect or power working on the life of the christian. 3. Many in which fields. The only people that put proofs forward are christian apologists like Ken Ham, Institute of creation research, discovery institute etc. Please show me any reputable unbiased scientific body that has confirmed biblical claims as fact. Let me list some biblical claims for you - The resurrection claim - The exodus of israel - The wealth of Solomon - The genocide of King Herod on babies in the gospels - The miraculous stunts of Jesus - The empire of David - The existence of the garden of eden - Noahs Flood - Tower of Babel There is no reputable institution or scientist in the fields of history, archaeology, geology, linguistics, anthropology etc that can confidently tell you that these claims are facts. The claims above are totally unscientific, unverified and outright mythological. There is no paradigm affecting me, the facts are clear for everyone to see and a proper observation and weighing of the facts lead to the conclusion that these things never happened. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 3:28pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths." |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 3:50pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline:You have two options. 1. Continue to argue on nairaland and get exposed to more absurdities of your religion. And... 2. Leave now, and continue to deceive yourself with foreign ancient stories. Like my friend always say, when that seed of doubt has already been planted it grows. See you around. 2 Likes |
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