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Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by HCpaul(m): 4:51pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You are right bro cuz an imaginary god cannot even create itself not to talk of creating stuffs like the universe, the stars, planets and other planetary bodies. If this remains your established fact upon which the existence formation of your god rest upon, then that truthfully signifies that your god ain't real and it's in it in-existing state. Beside, the imaginary concept behind your god ideology is weird. Imagine, 3 men was executed on the cross (same day) and one, out of greediness and a lust for fame and abiding popularity nominated himself as the saviour of mankind. Please start living your real life my brother. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:55pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
HCpaul: Atheism is a man made idea . It was born out of ignorance . I will open a thread soon that expounds this . 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 5:00pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
LiberaDeus: Reference to the bold text: those are very false claims. Do more research. And don't be selective about whose"evidence" you are willing to check up. My reference to imperfection is a summary of thoughts because there are many sides to that. The Bible will be contradictory and full of errors to you when you are not a student willing to learn. There are things I considered errors, contradictions etc before but the pursuit of knowledge proved me wrong. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by HCpaul(m): 5:17pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: But nothing surprises me than the man-made concept behind religion. In the age of freely available information, to think upright is a choice. Well, Salvation for dummies! |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by HCpaul(m): 5:29pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: 1. Because you ain't smart (you will always be cheated when you are not smart). 2. Because you've chosen not to use your brain (In place of your brain, the Bible has been framed to replace the one inside your head). 3. Because you've been religiously scammed (the guy Jesus used you to gain a lasting popularity and fame). Above are the three reasons why you can never be an atheist. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by Rilwayne001: 5:36pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
randomperson: Wtf You guys are indeed foolish. The moment you hear the word God what comes to your mind is the biblical god? Is the biblical God the only God being worshipped out there |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by LiberaDeus: 5:43pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: I have done more research than you can imagine. Stop selecting christian sources as objective sources because they come from your standpoint of conviction and blindfaith and will use science in a deceptive, dubious way to prove their already preconceived notions. In case you feel i have not done research, let me post the widely acclaimed conclusions on the biblical claims that i posted earlier 1. The resurrection - no objective scientist disputes the fact that there was a jesus of nazareth. But no objective scientist can provide any evidence of any resurrection. The evidence points to a Jesus that wasnt popular at the time of his death and thats why there have been no contemporary mentions of Jesus within the timeframe of his existence by all the notable historians that lived alongside him. The later mentions came when christian doctrine was spreading. There is no institution or reputable historian that will apply the scientific method and get to the conclusion that a Jesus of nazareth died, resurrected, appeared to disciples and ascended into heaven. Only christian converts or apologists do that. Remember that this is your belief and so the burden of proof rests on you. Please show me any scholarly evidence that supports the fact of the resurrection and please dont show me articles from career christian websites or apologists. 2.The most notable egyptologists all agree that there is no comprehensive proof of any enslavement of israel and exodus. In case you think the egyptians would be biased in their records, then consider the fact that notable Jewish historians and archaeologists like Norman Finkelstein who dedicated years of their life to unearth the exodus story have reached the conclusion that no such thing like the exodus happened. Once again the burden of proof is on you, post any evidence from objective( non christian apologetic) materials confirming the exodus story. The whole thing from the enslavement to the 10 plagues to the red sea crossing and the wilderness encampment have no basis in modern archaelogy. 3. Historians and archaeologists have been looking for the famed temple of solomon and his famed wealth. Till today the search is still going on. The conclusive scientific proof is that solomons golden temple was purely mythological. Solomon was never known as the richest man in the world during the time period he should have existed. Once again the burden of proof is on you. A simple google search will suffice and show you that solomons temple has not been found and that solomons wealth was only mythological. 4. The time of king herod was known as the Pax Romana. It was also the classical roman period where literary explosion occured. There were tons of writers, poets, historians etc. A genocide of jewish babies in search for a jesus would have caught attention of people. Once again i can confidently tell you that such an event never occured and it is widely accepted in the scholarly world that such an event never occured. 5. The empire of david. Read on Norman Finkelsteins "unearthing the old testament". 6.Noahs Flood. There is no geological proof that a worldwide flood occured 6000 years ago. A simple google search will suffice for you. Use your initiative and think of how possible it is for 8.7 million species of animals to be stuffed into an ark the size of a storey building, what will the carnivores eat? and if the lions and tigers ate the other animals then some species were lost in the ark since yahweh instructed that just a male and female of each kind should be put in an ark. Guy all i have to tell you is " Do your research yourself" 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by peacesamuel94(m): 9:25pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho: so you mean you've witnessed the blind Receiving their sight In the name of Vishnu, or the Lame walk in Zeus's name? 2 Likes |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 9:33pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:43pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:Nope. Is that your contemporary proof? Please do share if you've witnessed any. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by peacesamuel94(m): 10:47pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho: but your earlier assertions contradicts this. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:56pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 11:21pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ON THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS Source: Wikipedia (Dr. Gary Habermas) Read the summary of the findings Dr. Gary made on information gathered from historians from 1975 here: http://garyhabermas.com/articles/dialog_rexperience/dialog_rexperiences.htm The conclusion is that there was no doubting the fact that the disciples of Jesus truly believes Jesus rose from the dead and they passed the message on orally. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 11:46pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
ALSO ON RESURRECTION Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_and_origin_of_the_Resurrection_of_Jesus 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by LiberaDeus: 11:52pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: Guy read before you lost something. This just shows that at the beginning of Christendom, resurrection was a central belief in the early church. Please when does having a belief equate to reality. We can also say since most Greeks in the classical era believed in mount Olympus, that means mount Olympus must have existed and since most Greeks believed in Hercules then that means Hercules must have existed. What you posted doesn't prove the fact of a resurrection occurring the same way the existence of Islam doesn't prove that prophet Muhammad rode to heaven in a flying horse named buraq. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by LiberaDeus: 11:55pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
PDBonline: Guy Gary Habernas is a renowned Christian apologist. You could as well cite William Lane Craig, David Wood and Frank Turek as objective scholars. All these are renowned Christian apologists. And even if Habernas won the debate then, it still doesn't move the scholarly consensus in the side of the resurrection. Do you know how many debates Bart Ehrman has won? |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 12:21am On Dec 15, 2016 |
LiberaDeus:Habernas' work was based on thousands of other historians. You mean because he is Christian his work is not credible? Maybe you should also think that atheists too would want these things to be false too. Imagine you are one of the researchers. But even atheists agree. By the way, even if there was no physical evidence, how does that confirm that Jesus didn't resurrect? 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 12:26am On Dec 15, 2016 |
ON THE EXODUS The reason there was formerly no evidence for the exodus was because researchers were simply checking the wrong places. A research agreeing more with other clues in the Bible and Josephus' account revealed significant findings. Check: http://exodusdiscovery.com/index.html 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 12:58am On Dec 15, 2016 |
EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF NOAH'S FLOOD Source ABC NEWS: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
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Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 1:38am On Dec 15, 2016 |
MEGA-FLOOD LEGACY SOURCE: National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA, USA) https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/megaflood-legacy.html Ambling through the parched and scarred landscape of eastern Washington state is the 60-mile-long Grand Coulee, the largest of the stair-step canyons that give the region called the Channeled Scablands its character. Looking out over this majestic scenery, a visitor feels compelled to throw open both arms, take a deep breath, and say, "Wow! How did this get here?" |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 1:52am On Dec 15, 2016 |
LiberaDeus:You sure don't doubt the fact that Jesus existed so don't use Hercules and Olympus analogy. The significance of the resurrection movement starting with the beginning of Christianity combined with it being a historical fact that these Christians were convinced that Jesus resurrected, not that his body was stolen is that it is not something conjured from nowhere later in the history of Christianity. Historians agree to that, and respected historians at that contrary to your assertion. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 5:23am On Dec 16, 2016 |
Edited: Refer to the questions below and those after for the same thought I'm trying to communicate. If the resurrection was not true because there was no "evidence" to support it, is there evidence with the same level of certainty you demand to the contrary? For example, is there undisputable evidence of where the body of Jesus is. After all, with the "noise" (which historians don't doubt) about the resurrection, those who are against it and the Romans should have just produced the body of Jesus to shame the believers. Do you have evidence that this most logical thing happened? Especially giving that authoritative sources (historians and philosophers) do not doubt that the disciples of Jesus were genuinely convinced that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. 1 Like |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 5:48am On Dec 16, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho, Randomperson the above questions are for you too. The truth us that there is more in support of the death and resurrection of Jesus than against. That's why the first attack is to disrepute the Bible as if it is one piece of material and as finding "evidence" for any one work of history is just a straight forward thing. When we disregard what we can find and insist on what hasn't been found (as if not yet available equals never will be) then we show insincerity behind such stand. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by PDBonline: 6:57am On Dec 16, 2016 |
LiberaDeus its actually good that you agreed that Jesus truly lived. Do you also by any chance agree also that he had eyewitnesses who wrote about him? |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:27am On Dec 16, 2016 |
PDBonline: God bless you. How am i just seeing this thread now? |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 7:33am On Dec 16, 2016 |
PDBonline: Well, good observation. My position is not dependent on the popularity of the story of the death and resurrection of christ stories. Why is this so? If you read through history, there have always been cases where an entire race can be wrong. And a single person is right. Besides that the growth of knowledge and technological advancement have always been championed by people who are not shy but bold enough to challenge the existing customs and beliefs. In the field of jurisprudence, it is absorbed that the truth of a matter may not be determined by the higher population in support of a claim. Accepting the opinion of majority as definitely true is considered a fallacy in logic and law (argumentum ad populum). It took a bold Copernicus to inform the whole world that the world is spherical and not flat. Even the bible writers thought the world was flat(unarguable!). That being said. I believe you can understand why the fact that our position is unpopular doesn't flutter us. That asides. It can still be argued that christianity is not the most popular of religions when we can assume that China having about 30 percent of the world's population are majorly Buddhists. And a good number of Indians, Thai, Vietnam, and other far-Eastern countries are Buddhists. Lastly, Buddhism was earlier practised. And the story of the life of Gautama Buddha is similar to that of Christ, who were all from the same continent. I'm sure you never knew this. But read about the similarities of the two interesting stories then tell me who is the likely copy. Read more bro, read more.
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Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by dblackninja: 7:37am On Dec 16, 2016 |
PDBonline: You've made this claim far too long without actually telling us how you knew this God. You might have discovered something that will ultimately change the course of humanity. Please tell us HOW YOU KNOW GOD IS REAL. |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by ScepticalPyrrho: 7:39am On Dec 16, 2016 |
Buddha lived between 563BCE and 480BCE. B.C.E - Before Christ Era!!! |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:42am On Dec 16, 2016 |
dblackninja: I also KNOW God is real but the question should be how would you want to KNOW God is real if you seek for evidence? Is a physical evidence going to tbe the litmus test or a spiritual evidence? The KNOWING of God has indeed changed the course of humanity in Billions of Christians worldwide. Is there a way you can disprove their KNOWING? |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:48am On Dec 16, 2016 |
ScepticalPyrrho: All the junk about comparing Buddhism to Christianity you put up there is simply laughable. Why did you leave out the stupid parts of Buddhism? Make your list truthful if you must present one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPPBQEy2SA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNDS6SDJpg |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by Nobody: 7:49am On Dec 16, 2016 |
You are agnostic atheist... I am a Deist. You talk like a Deist, most Atheist are usually just about ridiculing theists and God. jonbellion: |
Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:52am On Dec 16, 2016 |
NubiLove: He is confused. He does not realize that an agnostic atheist is the most illogical and inherently stupid part of atheism. So stupid it makes no sense. I have shown him this before but he still goes about tagging himself as something even he is not sure of yet talks like a deist. He must be taking analgesics daily to suppress the confusion |
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