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Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Blogthug(m): 12:07pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
Basically Deist are those that believe in God but rejects the idea of revealed religions which includes Religious books, miracles, Prayers, hell, heaven , prophecies etc. Deists are not Atheists as Atheist claim to lack belief in God or some simply do not believe in God, but deists came to the conclusion that there is a supreme intelligence that set the universe in motion and doesn't interfere with humanity based on observations, scientific and logical evidences that will be shown to you. it's observed that millions of Nigerians have been deceived by revealed religions ( both foreign and local) and it's many promises that comes along with them but most people would rather hold on to their religious beliefs due to years of indoctrination and fear of the unknown mostly Afterlife . instances of such deception is the news about a female Preacher hacked to death in Abuja, church building collapsing on church members and killing over 20 in Akwa Ibom , Gospel artiste killed by robbers and thousands of personal experience that cannot be mentioned now and yet there are lots of biblical passages that claims God protects his people from calamities like this but is that the case? Many Nigerians have deistic beliefs but may not know that they are deists until they stumble on the Word Deism. deism helps us to appreciate nature, life better and enables us make reasonable choices when faced with diverse situations UPDATE 2023: Deism such as much as atheism, I've found proof of God's existence and since became a theist ( orthodox 5 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by jonbellion(m): 12:48pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
You have a good point Though I'm an agnostic athiest I admire diesm a lot You guys feel the presence of a designer but you reject the idiocy of religion which is good I feel if thiests has diestic views we'd be in a much better position As for me I don't believe in any god(a belief is a yes or no thing that's why there can be really no 50/50 agnostic) but I'm not claiming there is no God Agnostic atheism quite simple Just like saying you don't believe that arsenal would win the premier league this year but you are claiming that can't Lmao who am I kidding It's arsenal ![]() Bur seriously though that's why agnostic atheism is about ![]() 4 Likes
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Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Blogthug(m): 8:50pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
nice one there but just to clear up a few things, agnosticism and atheism are two mutually exclusive concepts, so it's impossible for anyone to claim to be an Agnostic atheist, according to the TH Huxley who was the originator of the word Agnosticism he states that a man cannot claim to know or believe that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe. I think recently in a bid to increase their population and avoid burden of proof , New atheist have been using this as a form of propaganda to make agnostics believe they are atheists . remember burden of proof lies on both the atheist claiming " there is no God" and the theist saying " there is a God" only the agnostic is spared |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 10:06pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
How exactly did deists arrive at their conclusion of a non-interventionist deity? A person can also say that the Universe was made by a non-interventionist red goat or blue chicken. They could also go ahead to say that the Creator of the Universe is dead. How would their position be any less sane than yours? 2 Likes |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Nobody: 11:15pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Dude are you a theist? |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by dalaman: 11:38pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Lack of intervention is based on reason and observation. 1 Like |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:40pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
jonbellion: Agnostic Atheism is really stupid and illogical ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by dalaman: 11:44pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: https://www.nairaland.com/3536235/race-diversity |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 12:18am On Dec 25, 2016 |
Freethought is my methodology. But I believe in Jesus Christ and the power in His name. Lennycool: 1 Like |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 12:22am On Dec 25, 2016 |
dalaman:But people, myself included have observed activities that could be construed as interventions. They may appear inconsistent or sporadic but they are still interventions nonetheless. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by CoolUsername: 12:54am On Dec 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: STFU and Merry Christmas. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 3:44am On Dec 25, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:tell us one if those activities you've observe |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 7:08am On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:Miracles and testimonies in churches. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by jonbellion(m): 7:23am On Dec 25, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:what a buffon ![]() You can be agnostic about any claim you dolt Almost all athiests are agnostic because th can't say with certainty there is no god but you just don't have a belief just life you can't say with certainty leprechauns don't exist Just because your want athiests to say with certainty there is no god which unfortunately for you is not what most atheists say You believe in polygenesis and you have the guts to open your dirty mouth Define logic Merry Christmas 1 Like |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Nobody: 7:54am On Dec 25, 2016 |
jonbellion:Imagine the Star Trek evangelist with his pre-adamite theory, is accusing someone of being illogical. ![]() What a Christmas joke 1 Like |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by jonbellion(m): 8:12am On Dec 25, 2016 |
Lennycool:lol Don't mind the fool I'm sure he wants a portal for Christmas 1 Like |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Nobody: 10:23am On Dec 25, 2016 |
"Other intelligent deists". What makes you think deists are intelligent. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 12:13pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Blackbolt:the same thing that makes you thing theist are intelligent the same thing that makes you thing atheist are intelligent intelligence is a function of reasoning and analysis(that's what deist, atheist, and agnostics do) not believing in dogmas or having faith. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 12:29pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:You all are yet to reply. How did you arrive at your deist position? Jonbellion |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 6:29pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:you see, that blue chicken or red goat is what we call god. someone else might decide to describe it with another term so far it does not influence the laws of its creation( in our case, so far God or the red goat or the blue chicken does not violate the laws of physics). say that the creator of the universe is dead rules out the standing of a mono deist( a poly deist might still reason with you) personally, I believe in natures god, an unbiased god(neither a Christian god or other religions god) who does not require his creation to worship it/him/her. Why would the deistic god not require worship:: well, look up into the cosmos, there are so many stars like the sun out there(billions of them), there is a high probability that there will be a planet revolving round a star out there that will have the eccentricity that will allow evolution to take place if there are a system of world, why would a god care much about one than the other?. Don't you think it will be logical to put a law in place that will allow things to run smoothly?(unless you think there is a reason why it has to intervene) niyihawking: Ranchhoddas:you see, that blue chicken or red goat is what we call god. someone else might decide to describe it with another term so far it does not influence the laws of its creation( in our case, so far God or the red goat or the blue chicken does not violate the laws of physics). say that the creator of the universe is dead rules out the standing of a mono deist( a poly deist might still reason with you) personally, I believe in natures god, an unbiased god(neither a Christian god or other religions god) who does not require his creation to worship it/him/her. Why would the deistic god not require worship:: well, look up into the cosmos, there are so many stars like the sun out there(billions of them), there is a high probability that there will be a planet revolving round a star out there that will have the eccentricity that will allow evolution to take place if there are a system of world, why would a god care much about one than the other?. Don't you think it will be logical to put a law in place that will allow things to run smoothly?(unless you think there is a reason why it has to intervene) |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 6:41pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:So it's merely conjecture, simply deductive reasoning and you do not know anything for sure. An atheist sees the same randomness that you do and says that it's simply chaos. You on the other hand says someone made it happen (without any shred of proof) and you think your position makes more sense? niyihawking |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by jonbellion(m): 6:44pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:lol I'm not a diest I don't see the point personally |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 6:45pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:you see my brother, all those testimonies are not limited to xtians alone, same thing happens to atheists, deists, agnostics, Buddhist, Satanists, Muslims, and people of other religions so if you say God kept you since January to December because you believed and trust in him, then who kept the atheist( No God), agnostics ( can't say if there is god or not), deist( god does not intervene), satanist and others who does not believe in god?. It high time we all unfolded the humanistic garment in us, and start caring for one another instead of been selfish, claiming that a god has broken the laws of quantum mechanics (lol) because of a single petitioner by the way, most brilliant scientist are deist, like Albert Einstein and others( carefully observe the statements they've made), they are humble by not ruling out the existence if a higher reasoning power. 1 Like |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by jonbellion(m): 6:48pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:excacrlu It is very illogical to rule out a creator completely But the creators mankind made for themselves is extremely questionable |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 6:55pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
jonbellion:Oh. I thought you were. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 6:56pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
jonbellion:you are right sir like the xtain god who killed the first born of the Egyptians because he couldn't make them cooperate. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 7:00pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:The fact that it happens to members of different religions does not make your case, it makes mine. I did not say the intervention were limited to Christians. Also, whether you perceive these interventions as selfish or not is besides the point. What we are talking about whether they are there or not. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 7:19pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: we(deist) believe that the universe is the evidence, we believe that the natures god gave humanity something to think bout. For instance, our ability to create centrifuges is based on scientists work on circular motion, which was a direct observation of the motion of in individual planets round the sun. by carefully observing the shape of the sun, one will agree that making a round ball is better than making a square ball.....and many more. but saying that the creator is the god of organized religion does not make any sense, cos how is Yahweh more powerful than the flying spaghetti monster(all hail your noodles appendage). both adherents can equally claim that they received vision from there god. that does not make sense. I respect agnostics any day any time cos of their humbleness, likewise atheists for rejecting the concept of organize religion. But religion adherent sometimes get on my nerve because they think they are more special than others(giving selfish testimonies) |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by niyihawking(m): 7:37pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:lol... how does it make your case? besides, who made it happens to members of other religion?, your god(which they do not believe in) or their god(which does not exist)? just asking |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 7:40pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:You seem eager to attack theism. I have not made a case for any God so I don't understand why that is. I only want to explain why you think your position is less irrational than any other position out there. Pantheists and panentheists alike also take the Universe as evidence of God. Is their position any less credible than yours? |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Ranchhoddas: 7:44pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
niyihawking:What is it with you and ''my God''? Have I said any God does not exist? You are beginning to sound more anti-Christian than rational. |
Re: Join Other Intelligent Nigerian Deists On Whatsapp by Nobody: 8:16pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
Deism sounds worse than theism. What could lead one to have such a belief? |
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