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[quote author=nwamehn post=52254131][/quote]

Sir, get the point please. I didn't say they celebrated christmas in the bible but like it or not, the whole concept of Christmas is in the bible. You need to understand my point before commenting.

1. Jesus didn't say we should remember is death either because he is not actually dead but Alive. But in case you do not read the bible, it says it is by faith that it should be of grace. You can't separate faith and grace as they are inter locked. Same with with Jesus' birth and death.

It is for christmas that it should be Easter. If Jesus didn't come into this world in that powerful, miraculous manner that defiles human wisdom, do you think Easter or His death will be of any significance? Abi you didn't read where God in the bible says I sort for a man and found none?

Nobody was worthy to die for humanity becos we all share adamic nature, so sin was imputed in us, even from birth. So God had to come Himself (Emmanuel) which is God is with us. You can never give Easter credit without Christmas. Jesus is a total miraculous package. Pls get your fact!

2. I already stated that the concept of christmas carol is just a hyme to praise Jesus and worship Him. The angels did that in Luke.

The early christians didn't celebrate christmas but the 3 wise men worshiped Him and even the shepherds right? That is the concept of christmas today because the wise men brought gifts and proclaimed Him as a king. Isn't that scriptural?

So now because the early christians didn't mark it then it means it's wrong? Didn't the bible say in the last days KNOWLEDGE SHALL INCREASE?

The revelation and concept they have concerning Christmas is different from the Christians of today.

Besides, in those days what revelation of Jesus do you think the early church had? How many Jews even see Jesus as the messiah? They still await a messiah till today. The early christians were missionaries mostly and the only proper thing to preach at the time was Jesus' death because that is what they can easily relate with at the time. You can easily tell someone that a hero dead for you, rather than saying a hero was born for you.

Today, we know He is alive because He didn't die which puts christmas and easter in same category. (Remembrance of His time on earth)

Just as you claim christmas is no where in the bible, in like manner, it's no where in the bible where it says we should forbid such celebration of Christ. You can add spice to the way you run your service as long as it does not contradict the bible which christmas is not guilty of. All denominations do not run their service the same way but doesn't mean all are bad. It what you are saying or doing that determines if it's bad or not and same with Christmas. Even if it is on a week day, all Saints go to church to praise God becos they appreciate His coming to the world. If He didn't come, can He die?

The bible warns us of many things and trust me, if christmas is wrong He would have said it one way or the other. There isn't any kind of warning the bible didn't give and none faults christmas becos the whole concept is gotten from the bible.

Personally, I had a personal divine encounter with Jesus in 2003 and I asked Him what is the meaning of christmas. He said word for word and I quote...... "Christmas is a time when the dungeons were opened, a place of rest for all humanity." believe it or not!!

This is why I can tell anyone to the heavens that christmas isn't wrong because He would have told the church or one of His prophets these many years that it is bad. The only problem is that the west is trying to circularize it.

Saying it's not in the bible, we'll not directly but the whole concept is there.


Obviously, the dungeons speaks concerning the various parts of he'll because He used the word dungeons and when I looked up the word in a dictionary, it means a dark underground prison; I just realize it refers to hell.

Easter He calls a "new beginning"

I later understood how Christmas relates to that definition He gave me. It means our victory was assured in christmas becos His entrance into this world was divine and broke the barrier of sin. If sin was found in Him during birth then He wouldn't be a worthy saviour.

So christmas was where He won the battle and finished it on the cross to give us a new beginning with God. No wonder He says if any man is in christ he is a new creation. The person is starting over because the former things are past away.

This is deep and not many will understand it. Christmas is actually on point.

slivertongue:
i dont seem to understand the mission of this thread

The mission is create bad impression about Christmas. They started with one thread but because the heat was much they had to pause and strategize. Now the new strategy is to fake news from nowhere to disuade people from celebrating Christmas but they are quick to say hHappy New ,who are they deceiving?
Such people would be looking for any slightest opportunity to spread false report and the moderators easily move it to front page. If op isn't comfortable with Christmas, then he should let those who love it be. Same way they're fighting tooth and nail to brand mmm.

hakimmiyya:


Israel bans chrismas tree.Claims it is Idolatry. What an irony.
Christmas becomes idolatry in Jesus homeland.


Some days ago a Muslim critic called Oladeebgu ,who is known for his calumny on Islam posted a tread on this platform,with the aim of passing sarcasm and innuendos on islam.Simply because chrismas tree was erected in one of the hotels in Abu Dahbi a Muslim country.For this reason he and his likes were passing negative comments on Muslims and Islam for allowing that in Muslim country.

If you cannot post the link where I commented on a Christmas tree in Abu Dhabi then I think you deserved to be banned for passing wrong information.

hakimmiyya:


But funny enough, look at what is happening in Jesus birth place.They regard chrismas tree as abomination.These are people the same Christian slow poke in Nigeria will always support for their nefarious activities,out of unjustified hatred and religious sentiments.The Israelis can not even tolerate the Chrismas ttee, let alone allowing them to practice their religion.What an irony.
Is it not obvious that the Muslims are more tolerant than the so called isrealis and their gullible Christian supporters?
Go to Muslims land and you will see chrismas tree everywhere,even in war-torn country like Syria etc.
Olaadegbu you have been put to shame, you and your likes. You are nothing but the Ignorant that I call you.

Who told you that all Christians even believe in Christmas trees? Talking about tolerance, Israel is the only country in the middle east that tolerates all religions because it is the only democratic country in the middle east. Does Saudi Arabia now allow Churches to be built in their land?

Laribari
Boss, u ar getting the whole thing wrong. U make it sound like I said Christmas shouldn't be celebrated or that it would be wrong celebrating it, but that's never my point. Remember in my first post, I did say that any person is free to celebrate whatever he deems good, whether Christmas or new year or Easter or anything. My point was only against the insinuation that Christmas is in the bible whereas it isn't.
Second, why ar u also making it sound like I said that Easter is also in the Bible? Easter isn't. Remembering the Death of Christ is in the Bible but that pagan custom Easter isn't. I said that remembering his death is in the Bible because I understood the command he gave in Luke 22:19-20 to mean his death. He said that they should eat his body and drink his blood which establishes the new covenant. If u believe that his body and blood do not signify his death but his life, then u ar OK. But that still doesn't make Christmas or Easter biblical. It only disputes whether he commanded we celebrate his death or not, which isn't the subject matter here.
If u know the actual origin of the pagan customs, Christmas and Easter celebrations, u won't dare say that the concept of Christmas and Easter came from the Bible. Just like the concept of new year, football etc are not in the Bible.
If u say that some angels sang songs when Christ was born then u ar right but, how does this amount to them holding Christmas carol? Do u even know how Christmas came about? Do u know that it was just until later that the Christian practices were merged with pagan customs to make Christians start celebrating Christmas? Do u know it wasn't like that when Jesus was born and even so many years after he was born, so how on earth did the angels manage to sing "Christmas Carol songs" when he was born?
Boss, the angels sang songs but never sang Christmas songs. That they sang song when Jesus was born doesn't mean they were singing the song to observe some pagan customs abeg. And how does wise men giving gifts amount to them giving Christmas gifts? Please, check up the history of Christmas so as to get when it actually began.
Truth is, Christmas and Easter began as pagan festivals and then Christians bought into them, so it can never be likened to what the wise men and angels did in the book of Luke when they never knew anything about Christmas. If u want to celebrate the birth of Christ, then u ar right (though not biblically right or wrong), but saying u ar celebrating Christmas because its concept is in the Bible is not correct. I also watch Olympic Races every four years but Olympics originated from Greece where they played it in honour of their god, Zeus. But now, everyone of us have adopted it but I can't come out and say now that the concept of Olympics race is in the Bible just because 1 Corinthians 9:24 encouraged us to run races to win prizes. That's heresy. Just as u believe that the wise men that came to see Jesus were 3, I won't argue that, but if u say that the concept of the wise men being 3 in number came from the Bible, then u ar wrong because the Bible never recorded such.
U said u had encounter with Jesus and he told u that Christmas is a time when the dungeons were opened, a place of rest for all humanity. I won't argue that because I believe that people have encounters with spirits, but I am only talking Bible here and not our personal spiritual encounters.
Once again, u ar free to celebrate whatever but the concept of Christmas, Easter, Olympics etc are not in the Bible, they all originated as pagan festivals.

maxti:
I don't see any argument about it. Christmas was never a a Christian celebration.

Tnk you ooo
who tells Jew's are Christians
did Jesus sanctify the celebration
if yes biblical evidence or idonbilivit

One thing that affect both Christians and Muslims is the fact that we have been taught in the wrong way while we were growing up, and it will continue from generation to generation. First of all, am a Christian and let me use this medium to explain the whole thing about Christmas
Christmas is just a celebration of the Catholic's, it simply means the Mass Service of Christ, is actually not a celebration but rather a normal Mass, Christmas was put into celebration by the then Roman emperor around 3000AD, the emperor did this cause he felt those that didnt believe in Christ where celebrating the moon every day 25th of the 12th month, then he imply let us celebrate our Christ too to show to them out lord was born and he liveth forever.
Christmas tree and gift was a mere tactics imply also by the the then roman cause of Saint Nicholas who is even hardly a Christian, it was because saint Nicholas was always sharing gift to the less privileged and growing beautiful tress, then it resulted to SANTA CLAUS.

AlPeter:
like you re slaves to the Arabs. Infact you re the only slaves here, you copy the Arabs religion mode of dressing, mode of praying, copy their Language, etc

islam is a complete way of life.and all muslims are expected to adhere to it.so tell me what we copied from arabs that is not islamic and i will tell you hunndred of what you guys are emitating from your masters that is againts the teaching of christainity

paganistic

OLAADEGBU:


If you cannot post the link where I commented on a Christmas tree in Abu Dhabi then I think you deserved to be banned for passing wrong information.



Who told you that all Christians even believe in Christmas trees? Talking about tolerance, Israel is the only country in the middle east that tolerates all religions because it is the only democratic country in the middle east. Does Saudi Arabia now allow Churches to be built in their land?

God bless you. I have waited patiently to hear from you as regards the Allegations.
Thank you.
It's High time people begin to Understand who Christians are and what Christianity is.

nwamehn:
Laribari
Boss, u ar getting the whole thing wrong. U make it sound like I said Christmas shouldn't be celebrated or that it would be wrong celebrating it, but that's never my point. Remember in my first post, I did say that any person is free to celebrate whatever he deems good, whether Christmas or new year or Easter or anything. My point was only against the insinuation that Christmas is in the bible whereas it isn't.
Second, why ar u also making it sound like I said that Easter is also in the Bible? Easter isn't. Remembering the Death of Christ is in the Bible but that pagan custom Easter isn't. I said that remembering his death is in the Bible because I understood the command he gave in Luke 22:19-20 to mean his death. He said that they should eat his body and drink his blood which establishes the new covenant. If u believe that his body and blood do not signify his death but his life, then u ar OK. But that still doesn't make Christmas or Easter biblical. It only disputes whether he commanded we celebrate his death or not, which isn't the subject matter here.
If u know the actual origin of the pagan customs, Christmas and Easter celebrations, u won't dare say that the concept of Christmas and Easter came from the Bible. Just like the concept of new year, football etc are not in the Bible.
If u say that some angels sang songs when Christ was born then u ar right but, how does this amount to them holding Christmas carol? Do u even know how Christmas came about? Do u know that it was just until later that the Christian practices were merged with pagan customs to make Christians start celebrating Christmas? Do u know it wasn't like that when Jesus was born and even so many years after he was born, so how on earth did the angels manage to sing "Christmas Carol songs" when he was born?
Boss, the angels sang songs but never sang Christmas songs. That they sang song when Jesus was born doesn't mean they were singing the song to observe some pagan customs abeg. And how does wise men giving gifts amount to them giving Christmas gifts? Please, check up the history of Christmas so as to get when it actually began.
Truth is, Christmas and Easter began as pagan festivals and then Christians bought into them, so it can never be likened to what the wise men and angels did in the book of Luke when they never knew anything about Christmas. If u want to celebrate the birth of Christ, then u ar right (though not biblically right or wrong), but saying u ar celebrating Christmas because its concept is in the Bible is not correct. I also watch Olympic Races every four years but Olympics originated from Greece where they played it in honour of their god, Zeus. But now, everyone of us have adopted it but I can't come out and say now that the concept of Olympics race is in the Bible just because 1 Corinthians 9:24 encouraged us to run races to win prizes. That's heresy. Just as u believe that the wise men that came to see Jesus were 3, I won't argue that, but if u say that the concept of the wise men being 3 in number came from the Bible, then u ar wrong because the Bible never recorded such.
U said u had encounter with Jesus and he told u that Christmas is a time when the dungeons were opened, a place of rest for all humanity. I won't argue that because I believe that people have encounters with spirits, but I am only talking Bible here and not our personal spiritual encounters.
Once again, u ar free to celebrate whatever but the concept of Christmas, Easter, Olympics etc are not in the Bible, they all originated as pagan festivals.

Remain Blessed

maxti:

Remain Blessed

Thanks, boss.

hakimmiyya:


And your fellow Christian reported the news. You will always be Slaves to the jew all your life. Ignorant fellows everywhere .
Majority of you Christians in this country lack sound judgment.That is why you are not ashamed of spewing rubbish on the internet.
I wonder what Saudi Arabia got to do with the tread. Even in the Arab world they allow Chrismas tree.But your so called Slave master persecute you Christians.Yet you don't see anything wrong in that.
Is it not obvious that you are back stabbers to Jesus Christ himself.Christmas tree is regarded as idolatry act by your slave masters.

No wonder Christ said in the bible:

Of all the scripture that comes to mind, perhaps the saddest and most fearful of all is the very words of Jesus Himself found in Matthew 7 and verse 21 – 23. Here, Jesus tells us that at the second coming, there will be some people who will fully expect to ascend to heaven with Him in the clouds of glory, but He will have to tell them; “….depart from Me, I never knew you.” Can you imagine those words falling from Jesus lips? “depart from Me, I never knew you!”

Make no mistake about it; there will be people on the Day of Judgment that are going to be expecting to go to heaven, yet instead of inheriting the Kingdom,they are going to hear those saddening words of Christ; “Depart from Me, I never knew you.” There will be deacons, deaconesses, Sabbath school teachers, Elders, Pastors, TV evangelists, miracle workers along with countless others (ie. all church people!) that will be turned away–and all because they lacked one very necessary qualification; they didn’t truly know the Lord and so He will be forced to say to them, “…depart from Me, for I never knew you.”

The people Jesus will say He “never knew” will be those who never felt the need to truly “know Him” yet these are people who “think” they are going to heaven!

Jesus is not an idolator like majority of the so called Christians of today.

Boring..
Believe your delusionals. By the way what does trees have to do with Christmas. Why should i care saudi arabia has a christmas tree?

Mightymanna:

islam is a complete way of life.and all muslims are expected to adhere to it.so tell me what we copied from arabs that is not islamic and i will tell you hunndred of what you guys are emitating from your masters that is againts the teaching of christainity

So IsLam told you to dress like Arabs that your Language is not good to communicate God's word, abi. S H M

nwamehn:
Laribari
Boss, u ar getting the whole thing wrong. U make it sound like I said Christmas shouldn't be celebrated or that it would be wrong celebrating it, but that's never my point. Remember in my first post, I did say that any person is free to celebrate whatever he deems good, whether Christmas or new year or Easter or anything. My point was only against the insinuation that Christmas is in the bible whereas it isn't.
Second, why ar u also making it sound like I said that Easter is also in the Bible? Easter isn't. Remembering the Death of Christ is in the Bible but that pagan custom Easter isn't. I said that remembering his death is in the Bible because I understood the command he gave in Luke 22:19-20 to mean his death. He said that they should eat his body and drink his blood which establishes the new covenant. If u believe that his body and blood do not signify his death but his life, then u ar OK. But that still doesn't make Christmas or Easter biblical. It only disputes whether he commanded we celebrate his death or not, which isn't the subject matter here.
If u know the actual origin of the pagan customs, Christmas and Easter celebrations, u won't dare say that the concept of Christmas and Easter came from the Bible. Just like the concept of new year, football etc are not in the Bible.
If u say that some angels sang songs when Christ was born then u ar right but, how does this amount to them holding Christmas carol? Do u even know how Christmas came about? Do u know that it was just until later that the Christian practices were merged with pagan customs to make Christians start celebrating Christmas? Do u know it wasn't like that when Jesus was born and even so many years after he was born, so how on earth did the angels manage to sing "Christmas Carol songs" when he was born?
Boss, the angels sang songs but never sang Christmas songs. That they sang song when Jesus was born doesn't mean they were singing the song to observe some pagan customs abeg. And how does wise men giving gifts amount to them giving Christmas gifts? Please, check up the history of Christmas so as to get when it actually began.
Truth is, Christmas and Easter began as pagan festivals and then Christians bought into them, so it can never be likened to what the wise men and angels did in the book of Luke when they never knew anything about Christmas. If u want to celebrate the birth of Christ, then u ar right (though not biblically right or wrong), but saying u ar celebrating Christmas because its concept is in the Bible is not correct. I also watch Olympic Races every four years but Olympics originated from Greece where they played it in honour of their god, Zeus. But now, everyone of us have adopted it but I can't come out and say now that the concept of Olympics race is in the Bible just because 1 Corinthians 9:24 encouraged us to run races to win prizes. That's heresy. Just as u believe that the wise men that came to see Jesus were 3, I won't argue that, but if u say that the concept of the wise men being 3 in number came from the Bible, then u ar wrong because the Bible never recorded such.
U said u had encounter with Jesus and he told u that Christmas is a time when the dungeons were opened, a place of rest for all humanity. I won't argue that because I believe that people have encounters with spirits, but I am only talking Bible here and not our personal spiritual encounters.
Once again, u ar free to celebrate whatever but the concept of Christmas, Easter, Olympics etc are not in the Bible, they all originated as pagan festivals.

If you notice, it's taking like two days for me to re-write you. I have written a lot but only for network to wipe it off and coming back to all my points were tiring, so I just left (2 days ago).

However, let me just brief it. Most times, when you don't response it's not becos you don't have something to say but it could be that what you read was funny.

Obviously, you got everything all wrong. I never said angels sing christmas carol, so I'm wondering where you got that from and shows you don't understand it. The concept is in the bible period! The angels sang to the birth of the new born king and that is what majority of carol songs do. It speaks about a new born king. Isn't that what the angels did when the shepherds came around? Isn't that what concept is? To draw an idea from something?

Bringing Olympic into spirituality shows you don't get it. Paul says fight the good fight of FAITH (spiritual thing) a not boxing at the Olympics. Finish the race and win a prize is equally a spiritual race, so the bible care less about physical things than spiritual.

But the praising of a new born king was carried out in the bible by the angels and we are replicating the same thing directly. This is direct!

Paul wasn't talking carnal mind you, so Olympics isn't a good point. Who even told you people were not into local running or stuff like that for Paul to make reference to it for them to understand?

Are you saying running and winning prize started from the bible and it wasn't existing already? We have no proof of that but what I'm sure of is that the bible makes reference by example of what already exist in the world for the message to be clear.

Jesus said go into the world and fish. Will make you fishers of men and that is becos they were already fishers, so they can easily relate to Jesus' message. The bible doesn't talk off point. So I'm sure some sort of winning or prize winning already existed for Paul to use it as a reference. So how can Olympic concept come from there if some sort of running or prize winning already existed?

So you think the world during the time of Paul was local abi? Do you know the kind of civilization/exposure babel and Sodom have? Meanwhile, these cities existed way longer than paul's time.

I'm more enlighten than you think ooo bros but me nor go argue with you and would leave you to what you belief. However, biblically I'm grander o. Na laziness nor make me answer you since or even give you more point here.

laribari:


If you notice, it's taking like two days for me to re-write you. I have written a lot but only for network to wipe it off and coming back to all my points were tiring, so I just left (2 days ago).

However, let me just brief it. Most times, when you don't response it's not becos you don't have something to say but it could be that what you read was funny.

Obviously, you got everything all wrong. I never said angels sing christmas carol, so I'm wondering where you got that from and shows you don't understand it. The concept is in the bible period! The angels sang to the birth of the new born king and that is what majority of carol songs do. It speaks about a new born king. Isn't that what the angels did when the shepherds came around? Isn't that what concept is? To draw an idea from something?

Bringing Olympic into spirituality shows you don't get it. Paul says fight the good fight of FAITH (spiritual thing) a not boxing at the Olympics. Finish the race and win a prize is equally a spiritual race, so the bible care less about physical things than spiritual.

But the praising of a new born king was carried out in the bible by the angels and we are replicating the same thing directly. This is direct!

Paul wasn't talking carnal mind you, so Olympics isn't a good point. Who even told you people were not into local running or stuff like that for Paul to make reference to it for them to understand?

Are you saying running and winning prize started from the bible and it wasn't existing already? We have no proof of that but what I'm sure of is that the bible makes reference by example of what already exist in the world for the message to be clear.

Jesus said go into the world and fish. Will make you fishers of men and that is becos they were already fishers, so they can easily relate to Jesus' message. The bible doesn't talk off point. So I'm sure some sort of winning or prize winning already existed for Paul to use it as a reference. So how can Olympic concept come from there if some sort of running or prize winning already existed?

So you think the world during the time of Paul was local abi? Do you know the kind of civilization/exposure babel and Sodom have? Meanwhile, these cities existed way longer than paul's time.

I'm more enlighten than you think ooo bros but me nor go argue with you and would leave you to what you belief. However, biblically I'm grander o. Na laziness nor make me answer you since or even give you more point here.

Guy, I no de drag who sabi pass between us two. I no get time for that one. The concept of that pagan festival christmas is nowhere in the Bible. If u say people were already running races before Paul talked about races, then what makes u think that people were not also celebrating people's births before Jesus was born? Don't say people never gave gifts to newborns before our Lord was born just because wise men gave gifts to him. So I wonder how giving of gifts anywhere can relate to that pagan festival called christmas. People gave gifts to Jesus, angels sang for Jesus's birth, oga I agree. But linking what they did to a pagan festival called christmas is heresy. Celebrate ur christmas anyhow u want, u aren't wrong but saying that the concept of christmas is biblical is heresy, because Christmas as it is originated as a pagan festival that had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. It's not hard for me to just say I'm celebrating the birth of Jesus just because I felt the wise men and angels did same. But I can't say I'm celebrating christmas, a pagan festival just because I felt the wise men and angels did something like that. My issue is never with the birth of Jesus but with Christmas.
Take olympics as carnal, I agree, take the race Paul referred to as spiritual and celebration of birth of Jesus as spiritual, I also agree, but christmas is carnal as olympics, in fact, christmas is not only carnal but also pagan.
Again, boss, I no de drag who good pass between us two. If I ever created such impression, then I'm really sorry about it.

nwamehn:


Guy, I no de drag who sabi pass between us two. I no get time for that one. The concept of that pagan festival christmas is nowhere in the Bible. If u say people were already running races before Paul talked about races, then what makes u think that people were not also celebrating people's births before Jesus was born? Don't say people never gave gifts to newborns before our Lord was born just because wise men gave gifts to him. So I wonder how giving of gifts anywhere can relate to that pagan festival called christmas. People gave gifts to Jesus, angels sang for Jesus's birth, oga I agree. But linking what they did to a pagan festival called christmas is heresy. Celebrate ur christmas anyhow u want, u aren't wrong but saying that the concept of christmas is biblical is heresy, because Christmas as it is originated as a pagan festival that had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. It's not hard for me to just say I'm celebrating the birth of Jesus just because I felt the wise men and angels did same. But I can't say I'm celebrating christmas, a pagan festival just because I felt the wise men and angels did something like that. My issue is never with the birth of Jesus but with Christmas.
Take olympics as carnal, I agree, take the race Paul referred to as spiritual and celebration of birth of Jesus as spiritual, I also agree, but christmas is carnal as olympics, in fact, christmas is not only carnal but also pagan.
Again, boss, I no de drag who good pass between us two. If I ever created such impression, then I'm really sorry about it.

Chill bros!!

The problem here is that you are mixing everything i'm saying up and you are not getting my point.
The first question is do you believe in the bible? If yes then do you study it?

Christmas being a pagan celebration is something you heard or read online (maybe) but it's not scriptural, at least i'm wise enough to know that.

now let me ask you........................... If it is a pagan celebration why didn't they call it another name? Look here, the moment it is called Christmas then it has brought the consciousness of Christ to mind. I have told you the meaning of Christmas and that is Christ-mass.

in your pagan definition, please tell me what Christmas stands for that makes it pagan.


So because they used to celebrate pagan stuff on that day and all of a sudden the church substitute it for celebrating Jesus instead (to overshadow the former things), then it still becomes pagan celebration ONLY BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE 25TH DECEMBER right? very funny!!!

All these people who are not scripturally enlightened will not call it a pagan celebration if it was not on 25th. who owns that day? Isn't it of God? before God all the days are good and there is nowhere in the bible where a day was allocated as a day of pagan practice. see the mistake you are making................ if you personally believe that 25th is a pagan day, then it means you belief in paganism and you have sinned for desecrating a day that the LORD has made and given it to idols through your believe because you refuse to celebrate Jesus.

The church decided to celebrate Christ on that day does not make it a pagan celebration because i do not worship idol. I spend that day attending church service, enjoying the time with family and friends with the remembrance of Jesus in mind. PERFECT!!
It is you who calls it a pagan day but the church do not do anything idolatry on that day, so i'm just laughing at those who are ignorant.

The only way you can say Christmas is a pagan celebration is when the church does things without Jesus Christ in mind, else we can choose anything of the year to celebrate the soon coming king. The bible says we should not forbid anything!

the bible says if any man be in christ he is a new creation, hence the old things are past away and they are become new.

Let me ask you........................... Thjis is wisdom for you!!

As wicked and filthy as we are, i believe you are now through the blood of Jesus, so we are changed into new creations right?
what that means is that once Jesus comes into any system, the old and former things becomes clean and everything negative is nullified, else there is no way we could have made heaven if Jesus' blood cannot change our old wicked ways.


In like manner, i don't care what the pagan people were doing on 25th DEC in the past, but the moment the church brings Jesus into it (because Pagan will never speak of Jesus but the church), then it means everything 25th dec stands for has been nullified and cleans. When Jesus comes into a system, it neutralizes the former or dirty things.

The blood of Jesus is that powerful and Jesus is the LORD of the Sabbath; He owns everyday. I cannot limit the blood of Jesus and the church today is the most powerful body on earth because she carried Jesus.

This is deep and i don't expect you to understand it but trust me, 25th is no more a pagan day, after all what is called is Christ-mass (celebration of Christ) against a former thing.

The sky is wide enough and different birds are free to fly, in like manner anyone can celebrate what they like (side by side) and it does not affect anything.. so you meman God will not accept the praise and worship that the church gives HIM on Christmas morning service? Please open your eyes. for get origin, now Jesus is in the system and all things are now new. Every man know wetin him dey serve on 25th Dec, whether Jesus Christ, ozigigi, or whatever.


as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD even on 25TH DEC. I will not set out a day not to praise Him.


Of cos birthdays and gift have existed before Jesus naa, but my point is that anything that has to do with Jesus is significant. It makes millions want to follow suit because we follow Him. He does not have twitter account, yet billions follow Him.

nwamehn:


Guy, I no de drag who sabi pass between us two. I no get time for that one. The concept of that pagan festival christmas is nowhere in the Bible. If u say people were already running races before Paul talked about races, then what makes u think that people were not also celebrating people's births before Jesus was born? Don't say people never gave gifts to newborns before our Lord was born just because wise men gave gifts to him. So I wonder how giving of gifts anywhere can relate to that pagan festival called christmas. People gave gifts to Jesus, angels sang for Jesus's birth, oga I agree. But linking what they did to a pagan festival called christmas is heresy. Celebrate ur christmas anyhow u want, u aren't wrong but saying that the concept of christmas is biblical is heresy, because Christmas as it is originated as a pagan festival that had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. It's not hard for me to just say I'm celebrating the birth of Jesus just because I felt the wise men and angels did same. But I can't say I'm celebrating christmas, a pagan festival just because I felt the wise men and angels did something like that. My issue is never with the birth of Jesus but with Christmas.
Take olympics as carnal, I agree, take the race Paul referred to as spiritual and celebration of birth of Jesus as spiritual, I also agree, but christmas is carnal as olympics, in fact, christmas is not only carnal but also pagan.
Again, boss, I no de drag who good pass between us two. If I ever created such impression, then I'm really sorry about it.

Had to go through your mentions. From all I can see, you are a JW. No wonder you be spewing crap. Christmas is not a pagan holiday mister, and JW is not a church IMO, but a cult.

HelloItsMe:


Had to go through your mentions. From all I can see, you are a JW. No wonder you be spewing crap. Christmas is not a pagan holiday mister, and JW is not a church IMO, but a cult.

Mister, I am not a JW. As a matter of fact, I don't believe in any church, I believe strongly in God, Christ and the Bible that's why I find it very hard accepting anything that is not Biblical.
Now regarding ur mention, the first debate we had u couldn't prove to me with historical or biblical references that Jesus founded Roman Catholic church or that Peter was made Pope of the Roman Catholic church, then u resorted to insults. I know u can't still prove to me with biblical or historical references that Christmas has anything to do with the Bible, but I still have historical facts to show u that the festival originated as a pagan festival even before it was renamed Christmas. Though I am not ready for any "stupid debate" as u always call it.

laribari:



Chill bros!!

The problem here is that you are mixing everything i'm saying up and you are not getting my point.
The first question is do you believe in the bible? If yes then do you study it?

Christmas being a pagan celebration is something you heard or read online (maybe) but it's not scriptural, at least i'm wise enough to know that.

now let me ask you........................... If it is a pagan celebration why didn't they call it another name? Look here, the moment it is called Christmas then it has brought the consciousness of Christ to mind. I have told you the meaning of Christmas and that is Christ-mass.

in your pagan definition, please tell me what Christmas stands for that makes it pagan.


So because they used to celebrate pagan stuff on that day and all of a sudden the church substitute it for celebrating Jesus instead (to overshadow the former things), then it still becomes pagan celebration ONLY BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE 25TH DECEMBER right? very funny!!!

All these people who are not scripturally enlightened will not call it a pagan celebration if it was not on 25th. who owns that day? Isn't it of God? before God all the days are good and there is nowhere in the bible where a day was allocated as a day of pagan practice. see the mistake you are making................ if you personally believe that 25th is a pagan day, then it means you belief in paganism and you have sinned for desecrating a day that the LORD has made and given it to idols through your believe because you refuse to celebrate Jesus.

The church decided to celebrate Christ on that day does not make it a pagan celebration because i do not worship idol. I spend that day attending church service, enjoying the time with family and friends with the remembrance of Jesus in mind. PERFECT!!
It is you who calls it a pagan day but the church do not do anything idolatry on that day, so i'm just laughing at those who are ignorant.

The only way you can say Christmas is a pagan celebration is when the church does things without Jesus Christ in mind, else we can choose anything of the year to celebrate the soon coming king. The bible says we should not forbid anything!

the bible says if any man be in christ he is a new creation, hence the old things are past away and they are become new.

Let me ask you........................... Thjis is wisdom for you!!

As wicked and filthy as we are, i believe you are now through the blood of Jesus, so we are changed into new creations right?
what that means is that once Jesus comes into any system, the old and former things becomes clean and everything negative is nullified, else there is no way we could have made heaven if Jesus' blood cannot change our old wicked ways.


In like manner, i don't care what the pagan people were doing on 25th DEC in the past, but the moment the church brings Jesus into it (because Pagan will never speak of Jesus but the church), then it means everything 25th dec stands for has been nullified and cleans. When Jesus comes into a system, it neutralizes the former or dirty things.

The blood of Jesus is that powerful and Jesus is the LORD of the Sabbath; He owns everyday. I cannot limit the blood of Jesus and the church today is the most powerful body on earth because she carried Jesus.

This is deep and i don't expect you to understand it but trust me, 25th is no more a pagan day, after all what is called is Christ-mass (celebration of Christ) against a former thing.

The sky is wide enough and different birds are free to fly, in like manner anyone can celebrate what they like (side by side) and it does not affect anything.. so you meman God will not accept the praise and worship that the church gives HIM on Christmas morning service? Please open your eyes. for get origin, now Jesus is in the system and all things are now new. Every man know wetin him dey serve on 25th Dec, whether Jesus Christ, ozigigi, or whatever.


as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD even on 25TH DEC. I will not set out a day not to praise Him.


Of cos birthdays and gift have existed before Jesus naa, but my point is that anything that has to do with Jesus is significant. It makes millions want to follow suit because we follow Him. He does not have twitter account, yet billions follow Him.

Guy, u ar mouthed!! I respect. Mehn, I had to come back to this ur post three good times to be able to cover it.

Truth is, Christmas didn't just start from Christians assembling to choose a date for celebrating the birth of Christ and naming it Christmas not minding whether it coincidentally falls on a date of a pagan festival or not. It's very different from that. Just calm down and read this sir:

Sol Invictus ("The Unconquered Sun" was originally a Syrian god, since AD 100. Sol Invictus was later adopted as the chief god of the Roman Empire under Emperor Aurelian AD 274. His holiday is traditionally celebrated on December 25, as are several gods associated with the winter solstice in many pagan traditions.
Sol Invictus, the sun-god had been worshipped in the world since 1500 BCE as Mithras, giving rise to its cult title of Deus Sol Invictus Mithras or Sol Invictus Mithras. The followers of Sol Invictus Mithras could be purified by baptism; they honoured the seventh day, the day of the sun, and celebrated the birth of their god on the 25th of December.
In Rome, Emperor Aurelian instituted December 25th as the sun god’s birthday, opened new games in his honor and made every pontifex of the cult an elite Senator.
This had continued for years under different emperors. Christians abstained from and preached against that celebration of the birth of Mithras because it was a pagan festival. This continued for years till a more liberal emperor, Emperor Constantine ascended the throne and changed the name and order of the festival to Christmas in a bid to reduce the divisions that were being created in Rome due to different religious and social views. He brought the Christians and pagans together to form a more united Rome and even a stronger army. He merged so many pagan practices with Christian practices and vice versa. The celebration of the birth of Sol Invictus Mithras was remodelled to give rise to Christmas which was coined from Christ mass to celebrate Christ and not just his birth. But most of the practices done in the celebration of the birth of Mithras were still maintained, these included exchange of gifts, ere.ction of pagan trees, lighting of candles or torches, singing of songs to honour Mithras etc (fact remains that these practices can still be done without somebody having anything to do with Mithras, so that's not my point). With this, both the pagans who believed in Mithras and Christians who believed in Jesus celebrated that day, 25th of December. The first time this happened was on December 25, AD 336. It was not until AD 345 that Pope Julius 1 officially changed the celebration of that day 25th of December for Christians to reflect just his birth. To me, Christmas is just a rebranded celebration of the birth of the sun god, and from that moment the only of such festival that has existed is this Christmas.

Boss, I don't know whether u can see my point. Maybe u feel I'm wrong for continually seeing something that originated as a pagan festival as pagan which has no roots to the Bible even though it has experienced change of name and rebranding over the years but that's exactly my stand. If we would conclude that Christmas which originated as a pagan festival before it became what it is today, has roots from the Bible just because angels sang songs and wise men gave gifts, then it's very funny that we refuse to agree that it has roots in the pagan festival which came far earlier than Jesus was born and which it also originated from, because the pagans also gave gifts, sang songs, and even erected pagan trees and lighted candles even before the wise men gave gifts. Though u aren't wrong for embracing it as I said earlier and whoever doesn't embrace it isn't wrong either since the Bible didn't give us a straight rule regarding this.
By the way, I never argued all those points u raised there, like whether u and ur household ar free to serve the Lord or that there is any day that doesn't belong to the Lord or that 25th is a pagan day or that Christians ar wrong to accept to celebrate Jesus on any date irrespective of whatever pagan festival that must have been celebrated before on the said date. So I really wondered why u were raising those points.
If u choose to expunge history and just continue from the fact that emperor Constantine introduced Christmas from nowhere, then u will be very right in ur claims, but if we choose not to expunge history, then we can always attach paganism to Christmas.