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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:02pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: This is basic logic I am surprised you missed it When you play possesion, In most cases you have to play a high line, when you play a high line, you get fewer players in defence, when you get fewer players in defence means opponent get higher quality chances. six 90% chances vs thirteen 50% chances E.g Chelsea vs City, Chelsea had about 4 chances on goal and all 3 goals were defenders isolated with a chelsea attacker which makes it a higher quality chance than shooting in the midst of community defence and stats will record that as a shot/chance conceded WHy counter attacking is effective is that you are able to go one vs one on the defender and it offers you more higher quality chances If you take those Liverpool or City defenders, put them in Chelsea today they will start keeping clean sheet because of community work Before Chelsea started community defence, Was it not these same players caught in defence and were conceding? 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:14pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
This is David Luiz and the Chelsea defence without community defence. This is to show that community defenders are mostly hiding under joint effort. when isolated they are useless like Luiz and Terry [img]http:///media/12-26-2016/1RjD1Y.gif[/img] |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 4:23pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Liverpool and Mancity Defence have the best underlying defensive statsitics in the league Not only are they conceding the fewest shots, shots in the box, and overall chances, they are also amongst the teams conceding the fewest BIG CHANCES(what you called the quality chances) in the league. See stats below. What they just have is a bunch of imbecides(similar to Boateng at Bayern) that are ensuring that these few chances are converted into goals by the sheer incompetence of the likes of John Stones and Claudio Bravo Chelsea, Spurs, United and Arsenal are conceding either more shots, chances, or big chances etc but have chopped less goals because they have competent defenders to deal with the chances and prevent them from becoming goals 1 Like
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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:26pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: You brought the stats . BC is big Chances right? Who has the highest number of BC in this screenshot you posted. Shows they are conceding more big chances than the other top sides. www.nairaland.com/attachments/4659537_bigchances_png3ddb004d89213de7eb28ef539df1795e |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 4:29pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Where is Arsenal on that List? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:33pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: You just brough stats to validate my point. I doubt I will ever get any person to give me better stats to buttress my points City conceded 20 Liverpool conceded 20 Arsenal conceded 19 All 3 play possesion and stats you just showed here shows they concede more Big Chances than other big sides Of all the Big teams, Chelsea has the least possesion and least big chance conceded, I am sure if we normalize and remove the games before community defence Chelseas big chance conceded will even be lower. Chelsea conceded 11 goals all season, Only 2 since community defence and one of those 2 was a own goal Do you still say you cant see the relation between possesion, goals conceded and Big chances conceded? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:38pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
I should dub this session the miseducation and re-education of Nihilist 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 4:43pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
raumdeuter: My friend, there is no correlation. Arsenal has conceded more big chances than Liverpool or City, yet fewer goals. Ditto Middlesbrough. Everton and WestBrom have conceded far more Big Chances than both Liverpool and City, yet have conceded roughly the same number of goals. The current top 7 are also the top 7 for possession, so if your theory was true, then there wouldn't be such a disparity with regards to Big Chances conceded Imbecides in defence are the ones that decide what happens to a chance. It's no coincidence that Liverpool and City are joint 4th in the league for Defensive mistakes, and Liverpool 2nd for Defensive errors leading to goals, with City in joint 4th |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:58pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: Yet fewer goals means 1 goal fewer? 19 goals instead of 20? Everton and WestBrom have conceded far more Big Chances than both Liverpool and City, yet have conceded roughly the same number of goals. Logically we can only discuss teams within the same level of quality, Makes no sense comparing Atletico to West Brom or Barcelona to Bournemouth since they arent in the same level
Defensive errors leading to goals is because there are fewer players to cover those errors. While for community defending we have more players who are available to cover the mistake. e.g the one below here. A mistake was made it should have led to a goal but the only reason this mistake wont register on the stat sheet was because there was a community member to clear it [img]http:///media/12-26-2016/N-nPAv.gif[/img] |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 5:02pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
raumdeuter:The current top 7 are also the top 7 for possession, so if your theory was true, then there wouldn't be such a disparity with regards to Big Chances conceded Defensive errors leading to goals is because there are fewer players to cover those errors. While for community defending we have more players who are available to cover the mistake. e.g the one below here. A mistake was made it should have led to a goal but the only reason this mistake wont register on the stat sheet was because there was a community member to clear it Defensive errors are also logged and like I showed you earlier, City and Liverpool are joint 4th fourth for defensive errors
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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 5:27pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: Yes because those top 7 are the only comparable sides below that their is a gulf in quality to make any reasonable comparison Among big clubs the difference in possesion of 6 points which is the difference bettwen City/Liverpool and Chelsea is significant. E.g In current La Liga the difference in possesion between Barcelona the greatest possesion side (Among the elite clubs) and Atletico (One of the most defensive sides among elite clubs) is just 11 points Defensive errors are also logged and like I showed you earlier, City and Liverpool are joint 4th fourth for defensive errors When City makes an error in the halfway line the opponent gets a free run at goal and scores, when Chelsea loses the big at the half way line, there are 3-4 other players to cover and that even doesnt get registered as an error |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 5:29pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Rephrase this. I'm not quite sure I follow When City makes an error in the halfway line the opponent gets a free run at goal and scores, when Chelsea loses the big at the half way line, there are 3-4 other players to cover and that even doesnt get registered as an error Says who? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 6:15pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: Chelsea has benefitted from the community defence and has made their defenders look better than they actually are. We saw earlier in the season when they were in sixes and sevens until the same players are now keeping clean sheets Chelsea has the lowest possesion of the top teams, they concede less big chances and they make less errors leading to goals and less error in particular because there is always someone behind to cover If you bring those same Chelsea defenders to City to play in that high line I am certain they will be back to their early season uselessness 5 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 1:21am On Dec 27, 2016 |
I remember when some months ago when some were trying to compare Neuer and DDG when we tell them to show us crucial performance they said because IFFHS named DDG as 2nd Now IFFHS don come this yr again and DDG barely made top 5 RANKING 2016 1- Manuel Neuer (Germany/FC Bayern München) 156 points 2- Gianluigi Buffon (Italy/Juventus Torino FC) 91 points 3- Rui Patricio (Portugal/Sporting Portugal) 50 points 4- Claudio Bravo (Chile/FC Barcelona/Manchester City FC) 45 points 5- David De Gea (Spain/Manchester United FC) 37 points 6- Jan Oblak (Slovenia/Club Atletico de Madrid) 31 points 7- Hugo Lloris (France/Tottenham Hotspur FC) 29 points 8- Keylor Navas (Costa Rica/Real Madrid CF) 18 points 9- Thibaut Courtois (Belgium/Chelsea FC) 13 points 10-Denis Onyango (Uganda/Mamelodi Sundowns) 5 points 11-Petr Cech (Cech Republic/Arsenal London FC) 4 points 12-Samir Handanovic (Slovenia/FC Inter Milano) 2 points 13-Marc André Ter Stegen (Germany/FC Barcelona) 1 point 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chic2pimp(m): 2:05am On Dec 27, 2016 |
pkasso: I have actually watched Luiz quite a few times this season. He has been pretty decent this season I admit but I am still not buying the hype. It's no coincidence his game improved as soon as chelsea switched from a back two to a back three. It will take more than a few games to convince me calamity luiz is a better defender. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chic2pimp(m): 2:23am On Dec 27, 2016 |
Ibime: Whether the contribution of others was more than Jerome's is not being disputed here. However we can not deny that He played Key roles in winning titles for two of the biggest institutions in world footy. Lucky? I think not. 5-0 hammering you say. How about Him being part of the defence that got to back to back CL Finals? Does that not count? Tbh i'd happily take a Field Ni@$a that puts up good peformances over a house N@$a that does not. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 2:34am On Dec 27, 2016 |
chic2pimp: The team had a well-oiled attack, comprising of ribery, muller and robben killing opposition for free upfront. Neuer was there to save boathand azz everytime. I had posted many videos where Neuer saved boathands own goals and penalties he caused. Those ones neuer didnt find answers to, their attackers rose to the occasion and erase any memory of boathand's effect. Now ribery and robben are not as effective like they were in the past. Thats why rostov got away with that win off boathand's stvpid defending. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chic2pimp(m): 2:40am On Dec 27, 2016 |
airmark:Worldclass is a strong word. Tbh there are nowhere near enough quality central defenders in league football these days. Let's use the EPL for example, you can count on one hand the number of worldclass defenders there. Chelsea- Zilch Liverpool- Nada City- Odo Arsenal- For where. As you can see it's not just the Nazi's League alone that lacks strength in depth in that department. As I said already,no defender is immune from making mistakes. The same Euros He made that mistake was the same one He was voted into the Team of the tournament. I too can also make gifs of Thuram or Baresi making mistakes and say hey look at these atrocious defenders. It's not that hard hence why youtube can make even the worse of actors look like oscar worthy winners. Think I and dayo already had that argument about the EPL being the most physically demanding league in the world and I stand by that but let's not pretend Hitler's League is the only one with a winter break. All the top leagues have it. Which UCL? The one that He played back to back finals in? 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chic2pimp(m): 2:55am On Dec 27, 2016 |
airmark: Let me remind you that we are talking about Jupp's Bayern here not Pep's. These dudes had more defending to do as opposed to Pep's who simply dominated possesion. If Boateng is half as bad as you say He is why does the Bayern management still insist on playing Him? It's not like filthy rich Bayern are suddenly broke is it?I'm sure they can get 3 or so above average defenders to replace it, No?. I'd also put the blame of 4-0, 5-0 thrashing on Pep. If a coach sends his team out with the wrong formation, you are simply asking for trouble. I, as a Milan Fan knows that first hand. I remember vividly getting absolutely spanked at the riazor with Nesta and Maldini at the heart of defence. And no one in their right mind will call those 2 aforementioned players mediocre. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 3:47am On Dec 27, 2016 |
chic2pimp: They tried in the past, but only God knows what always made anyone who could upstage the alagolo fell off. Badstuber was a better defender, he used almost all his career years treating injuries. Benatia was bought as dependable defender, only to have all different types of injuries affecting all parts of his body. So efforts were made. Meanwhile, Boathand can be managed to win burnthisleaguedown as the league is full of moribund strikers, thats easy. UCL is where his errors are mostly highlighted. Meanwhile , as regards jupp era, where were you when his coach made the statement below? If the calamitous defender doesn't possess german p, he would have been sent to kumasi since.
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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 3:02pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
raumdeuter:No mind that Brutus a.k.a Alabosi pkasso. Na confirmed informant. I no know why he dey drag me into argument despite me maintaining my distance |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 3:11pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
raumdeuter:No be the same David Lulz led a Defense on his home soil to leak 7 goals. Abeg na holidays I dey make man rest. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 3:21pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
chic2pimp:"5-0 hammering every CL semis" shey you can see Ibime and him burukutu analysis. Didn't Barca lose 7-0? Didn't his Chelsea get sodomized 6-0 last season by City No defender currently employed at that useless club Chelsea have a World Cup and CL Title to their name. Since 2012 they have not sniffed Boateng's minimum which is a CL Semi. At International level we all know say that one na no-go area. Let them keep hating Boateng who only needs a Euro to complete his trophy list |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by pkasso(m): 3:43pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Aja 40 don show face. . |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 3:47pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
chic2pimp:Apoche cra cra is suffering from Apollo of the brain. In a 3 year span from 2012-2014 Boateng played 3 major Finals and won 2. His team conceding just 2 goals in 330 mins of football (one of them a Pk). What is even more amusing is none of the defenders he swears are better than Boateng can boast of such a feat. If you even want to diss Boateng at least bring up better defenders not clowns like John Racist, David Lulz ati be be lo |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 3:49pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 3:51pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Alabosi moRATA pkasso. Nobody got time for your Brutus moves. Stay in your lane |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 3:52pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
airmark: Thisis why you are known as the most ignorant cum stupid poster of this section Juup bought Boateng and planned used Boateng and Badstuber as his main defence pairing Later he bought Dante and the main defensive pairing became Boateng and Dante. After Dante started messing up we bought Benatia. This season Benatia was loaned out and we bought Hummels. All our defensive purchases were to find a partner for Boateng never to replace him |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 3:55pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
raumdeuter:To be fair only Man u fans actively compare DDG to Neuer even other EPL fans know wassup |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 4:25pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
pkasso:Lmao. Alabosi! No one knew you as a Cule till I exposed you. Opuro oshi You didn't become a regular here till after the treble so turn the dodo to the other side. We don't believe you you need more people. You stopped supporting Barca after the 7-0 game. Nobody got time for your unverifiable story for the gods. Keep ma name out your mouth brah. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by raumdeuter: 4:29pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
A40: Soon they will turn to cortouis as their better than Neuer option Like they started with Boateng comapring him to Cahill after that one cast they started with Luiz, that one cast dey went to Terry that one caught fire when he was exposed to scrutiny |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 4:51pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
raumdeuter: You must be outta ya mind if you think boathand was the main thing. The same boathand pushed as rb during rotation, when the likes of van buyten held sway those days, before injuries and sickness affected them. Why do you think juup bought dante, after complaining boathand was making stvpid errors and should stop? Continue deceiving yourself. The club president had given him the last warning, next time he will land in china to join oscar. 5 Likes 1 Share |
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