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Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Nobody: 3:24pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Omexonomy: Even after reading the story that the Binis were received by the Aworis you still went on to reach a completely ridiculous conclusion! Na wah for comprehension o. 12 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Nobody: 3:41pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Princesaha: The "almighty Igbos" are already the property of Afonja. It was Afonja who oversaw the final capitulation of Biafra. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by BabaRamota1980: 3:53pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
There is difference between Bini and Edo. Edo are the people of Ogieso. Bini are the people of OmonOba The OmonOba people are the ones that went to Lagos, not Edo people. Aworis received them there in Lagos and the purpose was to help against Dahomey invasion through the waters. In fact Ilajes were the naval force that engaged the Dahomey warriors. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by superemmy(m): 4:28pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Must everything be tribalistic bogolobango:
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Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by updatechange(m): 5:02pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Formerly owned and ruled by the binis, its obvious that u re a kiddo. Read btw the lines before u jump into commentary. One word for y'all claiming Lagos is a no man's land.... Remember Lagos is swathed by a yoruba state Ogun state and shares no border with any other state or country not even benin rep aside Ogun. so whatever argument ure arguing always av that fact behind ur mind so as to guide u before u loose it. Princesaha: 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by bogolobango(m): 6:58pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Tell that to your flat head brothers |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 11:01pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
At times, one just gets lost reading the comments of mentally drained people. No one disputes the fact that Lagos had some inhabitants before the Bini's showed up, in fact it is agreed that the Awori's were there earlier. However, there isn't any proof that even the Awori's were the first inhabitants themselves. Nonetheless, the Bini's were landlords and kings in Lagos for many years even to this day. Christopher Columbus the Italian is agreed to be the founder of America, that doesn't mean he didn't meet anyone there when he arrived. That the British colonized Nigeria, doesn't mean people weren't here before they came. That's the same way it is with the Bini's and Lagos. Even the Lagos state government website clearly acknowledges this fact. Ignoramuses should quit arguing and learn some basic history. 1 Like |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by obaloppelujo(m): 11:24pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
Yoruba's own lagos . simple. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Nobody: 4:21am On Dec 28, 2016 |
steveosaz: The fact that the aworis presence predates the accommodation of the benin is a proof, so without any other documented proofs, aworis remain the first settlers. The first king is Ashipa and not the benin prince, besides the addition of benin be the landlords is your disingenuous addition. Lands are family owned in Yoruba land and at times communally owned and not by the Oba. All these facts are self evident in the article, still wondering where you got yours and why you deliberately want to mix things up. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by SUBWAY101(m): 6:34am On Dec 28, 2016 |
Princesaha: Compressed head villagers, erosion has taken over your land while you run away from your cursed land daily yet you cant stop beating that your dry hairy chest. Eboes and delusion 7 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by SUBWAY101(m): 6:36am On Dec 28, 2016 |
[s] steveosaz:[/s] Trash. 9 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 6:36am On Dec 28, 2016 |
Dumaknesset:Mr, what evidence have you that the Awori's were the first settlers. This argument is dialectical. Since you fight so hard (though ignorantly) that the Bini's weren't the first settlers, so what proof have you now that even the Awori's were the original settlers on that land. Your argument lacks historical currency, but rather, mere sentimental fireworks. However, you can't change what has been documented for over several centuries. In you clever (or maybe dubious) maneuver, why eid you fail to answer to the analogy I stated earlier? You have no points at all. Like I said, what is written cannot be changed. Meanwhile before you get too comfortable in your hallucinations of Yoruba owning Lagos - that's just for emotional relief. In today's world, you own as much as the land you can buy. So question is; how much land have you and your fellow "Lagos is Yoruba territory" singers been able to acquire? Even the Igbis who don't feature anywhere in this historical discourse have owned so much of Lagos' land and that can't be reversed. So better work hard and own yours instead of advancing sentimental claims that bear no relevance as far as modern day realities are concerned. |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Nobody: 7:39am On Dec 28, 2016 |
steveosaz: Your arguments are not only non sequitur but are fallacious, duplicitous and tendentious. the illogicality in your pontifications is quite astounding, you were in a hurry to impress that igbos now have a stake and you revealed the fluidity and constant flux in your brains. This discourse is not dialectical, it is as straight as straight can be, you were just wishing to create pseudo polemics and impress with your addled brain arguments. I bit your bait just to guide you back into the article 's theme, but I guess you failed abysmally again to understand basic history posted by a corn for brain that string up hogwash and labelled it history of Lagos state. Again you reduce the argument to your usual tu quo que fallacious posturing asking abrasively, how much land I have. It is will be a great disservice to intellectually savvy people to engage a person like you in any discourse whatsoever, as I can glean from your hogwash you are more interested in hurling insults. The law is clear section 28 of LUA 1978, all lands in Lagos state are owned by the governor of lagos State and you land purchasers are only holding it in trust for him for 99 years hence cofo and consent and same applies mutandi mutatis for lands in undeveloped area being owned by the local government, hence payment of ground rent and land use charge. I have shown you the hiatus in your first post and there is absolutely no need reiterating it. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by ODVanguard: 7:49am On Dec 28, 2016 |
This subject has been overflogged and I don't understand why our Yoruba folks keep giving these foolish people room to talk trash sef. Bini only occupied Eko, a small part of the island (and by extension doesn't include any other part of Lagos state as a whole). There was no conquest as some people would like to claim. Rather, the Yorubas were being 'shofishtikated' and left the Bini to do their thing while they did theirs with loyalty pledged to their kings (Idejo). Bini's presence only lasted through the first Bini man. The two ruling houses on the Island were/are products of pure Yoruba. One of them was fathered by an Ilesa man. It is similar to the case of Ilorin. The Fulani blood line to the throne and has long been occupied by Yoruba blood who find pleaure in forming Fulani. I repeat for emphasis that this Bini historical link to that small part of Lagos Island (not even the entire state) is way overrated. We need to quit indulging these rabble rousers. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by obaaderemi: 8:09am On Dec 28, 2016 |
Omexonomy:The binis met the aworis on ground.but the binis organized the place.bv if u go back in history,bini monarchy itself has yoruba blood and in ile ife at the palace is a place where bini kings' heads were buried.the yorubas and the binis are joined at the hip.take it or leave it.but no tribe should lay claim to lagos.its development came from the effort of all. |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by ODVanguard: 8:22am On Dec 28, 2016 |
obaaderemi: Guy, don't muddle things up for these mischievous rabble rousers whose intent is clear. We are a people of history who shouldn't allow foreigners with land-grabbing intent to rewrite our history. Put your statements in context please. (1) Only Bini ROYALTY is linked with Yorubas/Ife (the Bini subjects are an entirely different people). We need to always emphasize this point lest we begin to look as if we're attempting to play 'attache by force' with the Edos/Bini people. They've made it clear severally that they're an entirely different people than Yorubas, and we're beginning to look desperate when we try to blur this line. (2) This Bini link is only RESTRICTED to a part of what is today known as Lagos Island, and not the entire state. 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by obaaderemi: 9:08am On Dec 28, 2016 |
ODVanguard:Yes,thats what i meant when i said bini monarchy has yoruba blood.no,we are not related to the binis themselves except through the name'bini' which is a yoruba word.thanks for the clarification. |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 9:39am On Dec 28, 2016 |
Dumaknesset: You have not succeeded in communicating any meaningful line of thought except confounding yourself even the more. This fact has been stated severally by even the Oba of Lagos himself. Like I said, even the Lagos state website adduces to this fact. Now as for your 99 yrs theory, stop living in fools paradise, those so called governors you are waiting for the revoke land ownership certificates, are themselves land owners elsewhere. Dogs don't bite dogs! Rather I would still reiterate my earlier position to you, go and work hard and acquire landed property. Lazy folks like you are the ones who always hide behind communal ownership to cover for your gross inadequacies. Till the end of the world, lands in Lagos would always be sold to those with the means and that's what little minded tribal jingoists like you need to come to terms with. Even your Ooni the other day had to go marry an Edo princess-thats to tell you that your pointless historical distortions here are only to serve as mental relief to you and your co travellers. The elites are one tribe and are united by one blood (money). There is nothing you can say or do now that would change the past, but as far as the present is concerned, lands in Lagos state would always be sold to whoever has the dough. So stop over flogging an issue that has no value as far as current day realities are concerned. 2 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Oxtonguy: 9:52am On Dec 28, 2016 |
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Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Oxtonguy: 10:15am On Dec 28, 2016 |
steveosaz:What is this one saying ![]() 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by T9ksy(m): 10:23am On Dec 28, 2016 |
Princesaha: Yeah............and the lagoon beckons. 3 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Oxtonguy: 10:32am On Dec 28, 2016 |
steveosaz:For the fact that foreigners in America acquired lots of properties in The USA don't say anything less about the indigenous Americans we Yorubas own Lagos it's our heritage,we don't have to struggle to acquire what is ours.You Igbo can contend to get property in greener pastures Lagos that can offer anything your backwoods SE can't offer.And we are acquiring property in greener pastures or do you see Yoruba struggling to acquire land in SE no And never 1.Oyotunji African village,Shelton,south Carolina ,USA 2.King of Oyotunji 3.Kudirat Abiola Street,New York 4.Elias Olawale creasent,Brooklyn,New York 2 Likes
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Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 11:14am On Dec 28, 2016 |
obaaderemi: Save your breath, there are always two sides to every coin. While you claim Bini to be a Yoruba word, the word "Eko" is also believed to be a Bini word. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos_State 1 Like |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 11:45am On Dec 28, 2016 |
The owners of real estate would always be its owners, thats present day reality we are talking about. Abuja is home to several properties of foreigners, how would the gwari's now lay claim to that? Such claims can only bat b made at drinking joints out of pure wishful thinking. Same goes to Lagos. Lots of those tall sky wrappers are owned by non indigenes, so can't you all now see the futility of your tribal tantrums. There are those of you who only at best talk about it and admire the aesthetics of those places, while there are those who live in those places. That your forefathers once lived in those lands those not grant you any special privileges. Dangote is from Kano, yet he made billions in Lagos, same with Abdulsamad Rabiu, owner of BUA group, he is also a Kano indigene who's made billions of dollars from Lagos. Jim Ovia was once said to have bought and incredible amount of land in VI, he's not from Lagos, lots of choice properties and investments in Lagos are owned by the big wigs. These are the owners of those real estate, while you idle palm wine drinking distorters of history sitin your slums and braving with the investments of other people's fathers waiting for a governor to revoke land licences after 99 yrs. Shameful and pathetic! 2 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Oxtonguy: 1:52pm On Dec 28, 2016 |
Steveozax,u rant as if u reason with ur skin hair,properties in emerging city are acquires by foriegner,immigrants.Not to talk of megacity like lagos.Your analysis are suck,the chinese,lebanese,english,american and other from different nationality,also owns properties in lagos and that what make a megacity,No world class city like eko is the properties own only by the indigenes.And u did a good job by enumerating some properties own by ur tribe.yes yoruba are tolerable people we allow that if u gat the dough like u earlier said.But it will be absorb to start enumerating what i chattel in my own house just because u emphasis what it cost u to maintain ur apartment in my house u rented.Hausa,ibo,chinese,americans owns property in lagos does'nt change the gene of lagos that runs to indigenes of the city,does'nt halt akinolu the king to veto his authority,does'nt stop indigene from occupying most important political post, yes thats how it happens in megacities like lagos. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by Nobody: 2:52pm On Dec 28, 2016 |
steveosaz: How uncanny, I didn't communicate anything yet you wrote this long epistle to debunk nothing. You are always putting yourself in a bind, the flux in your mind is the reason. You are shifty and barely articulate sense, it is no use dealing with you since you impervious to sense. You guys are tenants and will continue to buy air and beat your flat hairy chest on nothing. I gave you what the law of the land said and you dispel OT with brazen ignorance, well ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Shift and believe whatever you want to believe. the truth and reality is not the puddle you have upstairs. 5 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by BabaRamota1980: 3:48pm On Dec 28, 2016 |
ODVanguard: I like your approach and sense of history, please my brother, permit me to add few more clarity from where you are and so people can have clear awareness. 1) Prior to Oranmiyan there was nothing in Edoland called Bini. Oranmiyan was progenitor of Bini. 2) OmonOba is a ruling title, like we have Oba, Awujale, Olu, Deji as ruling titles. 3) Oranmiyan was first Oba in the transition from Ogieso to Obaship in Edoland. 4) The throne and court of Oranmiyan was called Bini. His courtiers were Yorubas. This is why Yoruba was the official language of court. Edos dont speak Yoruba. 5) Oranmiyan's son Eweka was the first OmonOba and second foreign ruler aftervthe Ogieso dynasty. 6) Eweka's father and bloodline is Yoruba. That pedigree has remained unbroken till today. His mother is Edo. 7) The point of brotherhood between Yoruba and Edo started in Eweka. Prior to his father coming to Edo Yoruba had no relations or knowledge of Edo or Ogieso. 8..) Edo people are muddled in their own history and identity. They own the land but Yoruba own the throne. They use Bini and Edo interchangeably because they are confused. 9) Yorubas must be clear and with show of empathy teach Edos the knowlddge they lack in their own identity and help them regain pride in it. 10) Edo is the subject, Bini is the ruler over them. 11) The Bini rulers are the bloodlines in Obaship of Lagos. Edo has no relevance in the history of Lagos. 12) The Binis did not fight off the Dahomeys to secure Lagos, the Ilajes did, under command of Bini staff of authority. 4 Likes |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by omofunaab(m): 4:18pm On Dec 28, 2016 |
Oh ye igbos what's up with this obsession of another man's land ? Lagos culture is yoruba Lagos has a Yoruba king Lagos is governed by yorubas Most places in Lagos have yoruba names My grandma was from isale eko What other cultures do you see in Lagos state apart from that of yorubas that makes it no man's land? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 8:22pm On Dec 28, 2016 |
BabaRamota1980: Which beer parlor did you suddenly arise from? Taking you on would be utterly pointless cos where you are going is another hill on its own. But get in into your empty skull, as at the periods you mentioned, there was nothing like "Yoruba". There were several entities like the Egbas, Oyo, Ife, Ijebu, etc. The relationship between the Bini's and that part of the world was only with Ife and much later Lagos and not with what you guys today now call Yoruba. Meanwhile, the ancestry of Oduduwa as told by the Bini's is faultless unlike the incoherent fables the yorubas tout all over the place. Oduduwa is no Ife man, he is of the Ogiso dynasty. Meanwhile what the hell exactly does the word " Yoruba" mean? Some scholars have even claimed it to be derived from some Hausa word sort of. Pls go school yourself properly about your chequered history instead of turning facts over their head cos you know next to nothing. I leave it there. 1 Like |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 8:36pm On Dec 28, 2016 |
Dumaknesset: Look, you are just a rabble rouser. I gave you some hard core verifiable back ups and even painted a glaring reality to you yet you still don't get it. Sorry, you are way past the line. Who knows, you just might be working under one of those none indigenes and yet come here to blab trash. I know go getters when I see them and you clearly don't fall in that category. Listen, who is a tenant and who is a landlord in today's world is a question of how much of the real estate you have in your possession. I guess you would ignorantly call the Ibru's tenants, or Dangote, or all those other super rich dudes who move and shake Lagos. LoL, you've got to be a special breed of an ignoramus. Well, you who claim to be an omo onile, those peole run the show while you 'oga lanlord' would only get to sit by the curb and watch. Mind you, this topic is about the Island, and even at that, you don't own shit! |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by obaaderemi: 7:19am On Dec 29, 2016 |
steveosaz:So what?who is arguing with u that eko is not a bini word?but then eko is not the traditional home of the yorubas.its ife and is ife also a bini word?but bini is the traditional home of the binis.both the land and its people took their names from the yorubas.u have a problem with that? |
Re: The Real History Of Lagos.(who Should Lay Claim To The Land). by steveosaz(m): 11:08am On Dec 29, 2016 |
obaaderemi: Listen to that ridiculous assertion you put there. There are so many Yoruba sub groups that do not know from where the hell they came, they only just did some funny historical connections at some point to link up with Ife. Meanwhile, before that travesty of history you tell of how Bini came about from a Yoruba linguistic construction, are you aware that it is also claimed that the Bini's were prior to that known as 'Igodomigodo'? Now how about that? |
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