AgentGoat:



Thanks.



It's like commissioned office move faster in rank than nothing non commissioned officers?

nemesis2u:




ever heard of these words

1.TOT
2.LICENSE ASSEMBLY (CKD/SKD)
3.LOCALIZATION / CUSTOMIZATION
4.JOINT DEVELOPMENT
etc

and ROYALTIES / LICENSE FEE for the matter

u want me to post pics of IL76 unloading CKD kits of JF17 at kamra airbase

where did 99% the flight testing of all the JF 17 prototypes happen ?
why r all the prototypes of JF17 flying in china first at avic flight test centers ?
why is the 2 seater JF17 being tested in china ?

where did all the toolings and jigs arrive from for production to start ?

5-8 countries or so r capable enough to design and manufacture toolings for productionization of aircrafts on their own.


JF 17 was not inducted by PLAAF, then Chengdu Aircraft Corporation offered it to PAF , who agreed on the condition that they will be allowed to license manufacture, later joint manufacture it via joint development/customization etc suited to their present and future needs in block format.

now via TOT 58% of the aircraft parts are made in Pakistan and 42% are made in China. (some in other countries like engine , EW systems , ejector seats etc )

china holds all the IPRs of the JF17 , without Chinese consent they cant export a bolt/nut of JF17 .

to build a fight plane of ur own (even with foreign input) u need to have a vast military industrial complex / top of the line research centers / educational institutes , test facilities and billions of dollar .

google weather the country in concern has the above, then u will realize the truth

and finally to license assembly with 100% local made products via TOT/joint development most of the countries will do it, nothing big about it provided u keep paying the license fee / royalty regularly (if required via agreement).

u can also export it if the OEM (IP holder) issues u clearance (no objection certificate) provided u pay the license fee / royalty as applicable to the OEM . sometimes the OEM might not ask for the license fee / royalty, as everything boils down to the agreement clauses/details signed between the two.

( if i was a Nigerian i would have asked the Chinese (original IP holders ) together with their partners to allow me license assembly in Nigeria with progressive Nigerian customization/ upgrades. that's my personal view/way to kick start local aviation industry because there r no short cuts and also to save foreign exchange and promote local talent/industry and get the most out of the platform in tune with nigerian airforce intrinsic operational needs )

south korea did it with F16 and F15 (license assembly / customization )

india did it with SU 30 MKI (license assembly / customization )

japan did it with F16 and F15 (license assembly / customization )

etc
etc

really i am surprised at the ignorance level here

tdayof:

JF17 is a Joint project between the Chinese and Pakistani. Without appropriate confirmation, you can't say who's product it is.

The technology used are mostly Chinese and according to the normal standard Chinese law products belongs to the Chinese except OEM /ODM/CM agreement says otherwise.


Conclusion, you can't say whose product it is without an official confirmation.

Nigerdeltaboi:
someone who has had training in at Sandhurst ,isreal Pakistan and Belarus has not handled anything else ! haaaa.....I know he won't come and argue with you.

Henry240:


He usually drops his common sense where ever and goes on a tantrum, arguing blindly and ignorantly with confidence.

TrueHeart365:


na dat one taya me pass bros.

that someone can be so confidently ignorant

nemesis2u:




ever heard of these words

1.TOT
2.LICENSE ASSEMBLY (CKD/SKD)
3.LOCALIZATION / CUSTOMIZATION
4.JOINT DEVELOPMENT
etc

and ROYALTIES / LICENSE FEE for the matter

u want me to post pics of IL76 unloading CKD kits of JF17 at kamra airbase

where did 99% the flight testing of all the JF 17 prototypes happen ?
why r all the prototypes of JF17 flying in china first at avic flight test centers ?
why is the 2 seater JF17 being tested in china ?

where did all the toolings and jigs arrive from for production to start ?

5-8 countries or so r capable enough to design and manufacture toolings for productionization of aircrafts on their own.


JF 17 was not inducted by PLAAF, then Chengdu Aircraft Corporation offered it to PAF , who agreed on the condition that they will be allowed to license manufacture, later joint manufacture it via joint development/customization etc suited to their present and future needs in block format.

now via TOT 58% of the aircraft parts are made in Pakistan and 42% are made in China. (some in other countries like engine , EW systems , ejector seats etc )

china holds all the IPRs of the JF17 , without Chinese consent they cant export a bolt/nut of JF17 .

to build a fight plane of ur own (even with foreign input) u need to have a vast military industrial complex / top of the line research centers / educational institutes , test facilities and billions of dollar .

google weather the country in concern has the above, then u will realize the truth

and finally to license assembly with 100% local made products via TOT/joint development most of the countries will do it, nothing big about it provided u keep paying the license fee / royalty regularly (if required via agreement).

u can also export it if the OEM (IP holder) issues u clearance (no objection certificate) provided u pay the license fee / royalty as applicable to the OEM . sometimes the OEM might not ask for the license fee / royalty, as everything boils down to the agreement clauses/details signed between the two.

( if i was a Nigerian i would have asked the Chinese (original IP holders ) together with their partners to allow me license assembly in Nigeria with progressive Nigerian customization/ upgrades. that's my personal view/way to kick start local aviation industry because there r no short cuts and also to save foreign exchange and promote local talent/industry and get the most out of the platform in tune with nigerian airforce intrinsic operational needs )

south korea did it with F16 and F15 (license assembly / customization )

india did it with SU 30 MKI (license assembly / customization )

japan did it with F16 and F15 (license assembly / customization )

etc
etc

really i am surprised at the ignorance level here

Patchesagain:


Too expensive, too top shelf for regular use. Beryl is also silly, it's an aging platform

Something like the CZ 805 BREN is the only real option if you want to invest in the manufacture of a modern rifle

andrewza:
Why is some one complaining about a. FN FAL as a DMR. It a great choice it accurate and long ranged slap on a scope, long barrel and bipod good to go. The US have used M14s in Afghanistan so i dont see age as a issue.


The Fal is still used to this day by the sandf. Border partrols typcaly have one in case of wild life being a issue and they used in the Congo speciol forces use them allong with the G3


There is all so nothing wrong with russian GPMGs and LMGs even when used in a SAW role. Rember tge SANDF does not have a SAW in serves and there use would go against our doctrine in any case.


It the AK47 that out dated not PKMs. A machine gun needs to fire a high rate of fire, dependable at a good range. Hell the FG42 from ww2 if chamberd in 7.26mm would still do the job a SAW the brits where fighing in the falklands with Bren guns and that basic desgine predated ww2. Age does not make some thing obsolete being suparsed does not even make some thing obsolete. No longer haveing a role does. To offten thing are seen as obsolete discared then brought back in to serves. America dumped the recoiles rifles because tge TOW was the new tank killer then the broght them back since shooting a ATGM at a hut to kill a sniper is costly and recoils rifle can do the same job cheaper.

patches689:


So don't say it's Chinese

patches689:


Us M14s are fresh built and smithed - it's called Ebr has a new shortened free-floating barrel, skimmed gas cylinder, new chassis and purpose made ammunition with an M.O.A of 0.8

As i already explained, FN-fal get an M.O.A of 3 if you are lucky, 6 more likely. You can't effectively free float the barrel, the barrel itself will likely be old and worn, and you will be firing surplus ammo, you have to do extensive work on the cylinder and more often than not you have to file out part of the chamber

It's meme thinking to beleive that long barrel + optics+ bipod = marksmen rifle.

Yes, there is a problem with using a GPMG as a SAW, because it is a GPMG

With regards to the Saws I mentioned, those were magazine fed automatic rifles, which by all accounts are obsolete. Let's use the Brits for example - they replaced the Bren with the L86 LSW and then dropped it like an ugly baby - because the automatic rifle is obsolete, and replaced it with the belt fed Minimi

Any way go back to the start of the discussion, it was about what a worthy rifle for domestic production was and I was arguing that it was a modern modular design that would be able to fill the role of carbine, Dmr, rifle and Saw

This talk of various weapons was a diversion

jakeporeshenko:
Nigerian navy SOF

DaV8King:


I'm sorry boss, but doesn't his DHQ patch indicate him to be a Joint Special Ops operator, assuming we have tri-service SF(I no sure right now)?

All-out war on poachers

Fire fights reminiscent of the bush war have broken out between anti-poaching units and heavily armed groups of men trying to kill Namibia's wildlife for their own financial gain.
One commander of such a special anti-poaching unit said: ''We have taken serious decisions to invoke the criminal procedures act for self defense whenever poachers fire at our units. Poachers shooting at anti-poaching units will regret having done so.''
Last week, one poacher was shot and killed by an anti-poaching unit and yesterday between 11:00 and 12:00 two more poachers were killed and three were arrested, with one seriously injured and a lot of dangerous weapons confiscated.
The anti-poaching units confiscated several AK 47 assault rifles and a lot of ammunition.
The Minister of Environment and Tourism, Pohamba Shifeta said ''We vowed to show them that there is an authority. We have also started to deploy a special unit of the NDF in Bwabwata national park and will do same in Etosha national park soon.''
The inspector-General of the Namibian Police, Lieutenant-General Sebastian Ndeitunga, confirmed the incidents where the poachers were killed and arrested and said that if poachers fire on security agents they can expect to fired upon in return and even killed.
''We will teach these people a lesson they will never forget. If they are apprehended and fire on our people we will fight back with everything we have.''
Ndeitunga said the situation is getting worse and poachers are getting out of hand.
''If they want a war that is what they will get''
He said the kind of weapons used by the poachers can not be allowed in society and the police along with anti-poaching units and special units of the NDF will do everything in their power to stop the scourge of poaching in Namibia

tdayof:


Read carefully again. chinese standard OEM laws means the product is Chinese.

Henry240:
Cameroon BIR Thunder armoured vehicle

andrewza:




The EBR are made drom surples they not new builds.


The M14 had tge same issue's it still gets the job done and why will it fire surpless ammo. 7.62 nato is still in production world wide.



That prety much all you need. Itva marksmen rifle not a 2000m sniper rifle. You typcaly shooting people in range of the assult rifle maybe out to 500m.


Again some see the SAW as usless idea and the IAR is not dead. Even use 50 round mags to make a R4 in to a IAR the USMC use a IAR. The brits droped there IAR because it could not do suppressing fire.




There is no such weapon that does it all good enough.

Patchesagain:


So you are saying the JF-17 and FC-1 are one in the same?

Patchesagain:


Yes, the EBR is a new build - basically any source will tell you this (hence the EBR designation, the surplus ones have another designation that I can't remember).

They are also using M118 "special-ball" not M80 ball (surplus) as ammunition.

As for surplus, the problem is that we (and Nigeria) will not be buying tailor made ammunition, we will be using surplus stocks. The idea is that you use a rifle that is accurate enough that you can burn surplus and still get a decent MOA.

Yeah, EBR is designed for ~600m. M.O.A of 3 is a huge adjustment for 600m hence the problem with the FAL. At 600m you are dealing with an MOA of <6 on the EBR, at the same distance you are dealing with an MOA of 18 to 36 on the FAL


Pretty sure the USMC uses the m249 for SAW. Interestingly lack of supression was the major flaw with the BREN as well... Too accurate for its own good.

giles14:
this BIR guys are really well funded .

Patchesagain:


So you are saying the JF-17 and FC-1 are one in the same?

andrewza:




http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=377


Says made from surplus.


Surples ammo is just old ammo. There are plenty of companies that make all kinds of 7.62mm ammo of all kinds of grade.


PMP actually makes ammo and i know our old ammo is either shot up, sold or disposed. We may not produce accurate rounds for mass production but a DMR does not need that. It is not a sniper rifle.

You can hit a target at 600m with a fal with out much change. The round is prety accurate


USMC are moveing tge M249 to company level the M27 is moving to the squad level IAR


en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M27_Infantry_Automatic_Rifle


It a stupid move in my book that they will regret