ianSweet:


Hmm, great explanation.
From what i can conclude, the case of swahili in Kenya is almost the same as Pidgin english in southern Nigeria (especially South-south and somehow south-eastern Nigeria) where pidgin is the everyday language in the urban areas.
Infact going by what you are saying i think Nigerian pidgin is stronger in south-south Nigeria (about 35 million ppl) than Swahili is in Kenya because even in most semi urban areas and rural areas (among young people) in south-south Nigeria, pidgin is preferred.

gallivant:


That lame reply took you long enough. I hope you didn't waste your whole afternoon captain obvious.

forgiveness:
Any country planning to establish communism should quickly learn from failed Soviet Union and others and retract their steps.

We way Russians are embracing religion nowadays, no bi small thing.

Muafrika2:

Says who? Russia is one of the richest countries.

China is communist, I see you people praise it here all the time Not all communists are irreligious.

forgiveness:



Russia doesn't practice communism any longer because it failed woefully. They became rich after they abandoned communism.

China is not practicing full communism. Communists outwardly but capitalism inwardly.

If China practices full communism they will become poor instantly. ask North Korea.

Muafrika2:

Communism has never been exclusive of a little capitalism. Same for Capitalism. The most successful capitalist nations are successful because of socialist policies that include things like government enterprise, social services like housing, medical and agricultural insurance, etc. It just depends of the ratio of the two systems. They cannot function properly in exclusivity.

ianSweet:
I wish to learn more about east Africa and i have some sincere questions for Kenyans here (from an open heart)

My first question
Pls, I want to know how functional the east African community of states is.
We in west Africa have ECOWAS, although ecowas is very functional and they have really been trying to make west africa united but sincerely i really do not like the way ecowas is working.
Still on EAC, i'd like to know why Horn African countries (Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti) are not part of EAC.

Also, i once read somewhere that there are plans by the EAC to form a united single country. How true is this please? I really love the idea. I have always admired the way majority of east africans (excluding horners) have been united by the swahili language.


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ianSweet:
Pls, all Kenyans here are free to ask me (i don't know about other Nigerians here) absolutely any questions, i promise to answer to my best knowledge.

My second question to Kenyans here

I believed that Tanzanians were the first or original owners of the swahili language which later spread to Kenya and other areas but you guys corrected me that Swahili evolved simultaneously along all east African countries at the same time.
So i would sincerely like to know pls, how come almost all Tanzanians are very fluent in swahili and majority have adopted it as their first language? compared to Kenya and Uganda where only about 2/3 and 1/2 speak swahili?

Lately, i have been watching a lot of East African music and i must admit that i have come to start falling in love with East African music, just that i think my love is one-sided and it is mostly towards Tanzania (Bongo) music.

(No offence pls) I have discovered that Tanzanians speak and sing in swahili in a lovelier, sweeter and more attractive tone than other east Africans. Pls why is this? Their swahili sometimes have this Indian and middle eastern flavour the way they sing it at times. There are about 10 Tanzanian musicians am a big fan of, Uganda about 5 of them while in Kenya i think i love Sauti sol and a duo group (i think Gabu & Frasha).


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ianSweet:


Ok thanks for the enlightenment.
Now i get the picture better.
What about Rwanda and Burundi? How well have they adopted swahili? Also, since they are french speaking, how well do u guys relate with them.

Yes i have seen a couple of Taraab music and musicians, the Indian influence appears strong in the culture. Even many of them look mixed race.
It seems like many Tanzanians are mixed race? Cos i see many of them who look like they have some Indian or Arab blood even though they are still black.

Also i have observed that tribalism seems to be less of an issue in Tanzania compared to Kenya or Uganda, infact i was so shocked when i knew that Tanzania is religiously half muslims half christians and has many ethnic groups like Nigeria yet hardly any case of religious or tribal conflicts.

I'd also like to know your own Kenyan ethnic group?

mkenya254:


Most Kenyans do not know a thing or two about Burundi. It's just like that neighbour you never speak to. Not because you hate them but because their is very little in common with you. Plus Burundi has some civil unrest right now.

Now Rwanda is Kenya's best ally in East Africa. Their Swahili is extremely different perhaps since they don't speak it very actively opting for French and Kinywaranda most of the time. I have been to Rwanda and could barely understand their Swahili. Also a very small percentage of their population speaks Swahili. I would compare that with the number of Tanzanians speaking fluent English, they are there but extremely difficult to find and are usually the ones that travel a lot to other countries.

Tanzania has no notion of tribal conflicts despite having more communities that Kenya due to socialism which was introduced by their first president. They adopted Swahili as the only language and even all their subjects were taught in Swahili in school. This led to tribal languages becoming redundant after sometime and eventually most of the cultural tribal things were eroded which led to a more united people since there is nothing going like I am Yorba, you are Hausa kind of things.

For Kenya, Swahili was adopted as a national language to enable people from different communities to be able to communicate at the same time Kenyans continued with their tribal languages as well. SWAHILI was just a plus. Now this easened communications since all Kenyans speak Swahili and is the main language in cities but the tribal alignment was never rid of. So at times political differences will often lead tribes to form alliances against each other. For example, when there is an election and all people in Southern Nigeria, yoruba etc vote for someone from the south and the Northern tribes, Hausa etc only vote for Hausa leaders. Tribes that have larger populations e.g. Kikuyu, Kalenjins and Luo have the larger say. The advantage is that we were able to retain our cultures but the disadvantages is that this cultural differences are exploited by politicians for their own gain. There is nothing of the sort in Tanzania

naijalander:
The current generation of Nigerians do not necessarily vote with regards to ethnicity. I'll admit and say it is rife. Especially with Easterners and Northerners especially.

Although for Northerners it's more religious than tribal. This is why many movements are pushing for fiscal federalism. Where all 36 states will have a constitution.

mkenya254:


I just used Yoruba and Hausa so that it is easier for Nigerians to understand. Here voting is tribal. No one really gives a hoot about religion. So you will never be passed on a promotion, secluded on the basis of religion unless you are a devil worshipper. Lol.. For people whose belief on Christianity is pretentious at most, everybody fears Illuminati and the likes. So you will not be accepted

mkenya254:


I just used Yoruba and Hausa so that it is easier for Nigerians to understand. Here voting is tribal. No one really gives a hoot about religion. So you will never be passed on a promotion, secluded on the basis of religion unless you are a devil worshipper. Lol.. For people whose belief on Christianity is pretentious at most, everybody fears Illuminati and the likes. So you will not be accepted

ianSweet:
I wish to learn more about east Africa and i have some sincere questions for Kenyans here (from an open heart)

My first question
Pls, I want to know how functional the east African community of states is.

ianSweet:

Still on EAC, i'd like to know why Horn African countries (Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti) are not part of EAC.

ianSweet:

Also, i once read somewhere that there are plans by the EAC to form a united single country. How true is this please? I really love the idea. I have always admired the way majority of east africans (excluding horners) have been united by the swahili language.

ianSweet:


Hmm, so i guess you'd be able to tell me which Kenyan tribes these individual handsome Kenyan men below are from .
I find this kind of Kenyan faces very attractive, especially this first man.

Muafrika2:


Naijalander isn't being honest. Just browse this forum for the Yoruba vs Igbo hate threads, Easterners vs what not. Buhari was voted in by a fulani/hausa/yoruba alliance.

ianSweet:
@Muafrika2

You said Swahili is spoken by everyone in Kenya? But most online sources i have come across claims that only about 2/3 of Kenya speaks swahili, i guess i was misinformed.

ianSweet:
@Muafrika2

what about the masais? Do they speak it too?

ianSweet:
@Muafrika2
Pls can u translate the foll swahili words 4me, KITOGO, KIDOGO, WEWE, MTOTO, MDOGO (hope i spelt them well). I always hear them in swahili songs

Muafrika2:
What?

Most Kenyans in here are atheists This forum is attractive to atheists I think.

PissedYagami:


A huge chunks of Kenyans I know are either atheists or agnostics

Muafrika2:
Naijalander, thanks for the statistics, but do me a favour by adding details of majority tribes on all those regions.

ianSweet:
Pls, all Kenyans here are free to ask me (i don't know about other Nigerians here) absolutely any questions, i promise to answer to my best knowledge.

My second question to Kenyans here

I believed that Tanzanians were the first or original owners of the swahili language which later spread to Kenya and other areas but you guys corrected me that Swahili evolved simultaneously along all east African countries at the same time.
So i would sincerely like to know pls, how come almost all Tanzanians are very fluent in swahili and majority have adopted it as their first language? compared to Kenya and Uganda where only about 2/3 and 1/2 speak swahili?

Lately, i have been watching a lot of East African music and i must admit that i have come to start falling in love with East African music, just that i think my love is one-sided and it is mostly towards Tanzania (Bongo) music.

(No offence pls) I have discovered that Tanzanians speak and sing in swahili in a lovelier, sweeter and more attractive tone than other east Africans. Pls why is this? Their swahili sometimes have this Indian and middle eastern flavour the way they sing it at times. There are about 10 Tanzanian musicians am a big fan of, Uganda about 5 of them while in Kenya i think i love Sauti sol and a duo group (i think Gabu & Frasha).


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PissedYagami:


A huge chunks of Kenyans I know are either atheists or agnostics

Muafrika2:

And by that long list you are avoiding my question. I just want this:

1. The 36 stastes

2. The majority/dominant tribes in each of those states,

3. WHO the majority votes went to in those states

MtuMsuper:

I think he's avoiding the real question. I have been on nairaland long enough to know that the party of buhari APC rode to victory on a wave of support from majority Hausa Fulani areas in the north and Yoruba SW. The same thing exists in Ghana where Akufo Addo's party while not exclusively Ashanti, derives the majority of its support there. I follow African politics to minute details. This regional and tribal ganging up is the bane of us Africans, its only CCM in Tanzania that i can immediately name as an exception to regional or tribal based politics.

Just30:
sorry but you are wrong with your assessment of political parties in Ghana. Parties formation in Ghana are not based on ethnic lines.
They're extremely complex and you don't get to win an election without winning in certain four regions.
Political parties everywhere, have their strong holds where no matter what the opposition does; they won't win an election there.

Just30:
sorry but you are wrong with your assessment of political parties in Ghana. Parties formation in Ghana are not based on ethnic lines.
They're extremely complex and you don't get to win an election without winning in certain four regions.
Political parties everywhere, have their strong holds where no matter what the opposition does; they won't win an election there.

MtuMsuper:

I think he's avoiding the real question. I have been on nairaland long enough to know that the party of buhari APC rode to victory on a wave of support from majority Hausa Fulani areas in the north and Yoruba SW. The same thing exists in Ghana where Akufo Addo's party while not exclusively Ashanti, derives the majority of its support there. I follow African politics to minute details. This regional and tribal ganging up is the bane of us Africans, its only CCM in Tanzania that i can immediately name as an exception to regional or tribal based politics.

MtuMsuper:

But NDC struggles for votes in Ashanti and western regions mostly. Elsewhere it wins hands down especially in Volta region dominated by Ewes. That's what i meant. So what 4 regions are these.( errr,,, Sorry folks for diverting )

Legonviking:


Whiles parties are not based on ethnic lines,it is an undeniable fact that Npp gets over 70% of votes from Ashanti region and NDC also getting over 70% of votes from the Volta region