Just30:
NDC strong hold is the Volta region, NPP strong hold is the Ashanti region. The Western, Greater Accra, Brong Ahafo and Central Regions are Swing regions anyone who wins all four or even three wins the presidency if it is split then there would have to be a second round

I wonder how Kenyans sit thousands of kilometers away and feel they know what's happening in West Africa. Even in Nigeria you most win 2/3 of the states before you are declared winner. It's not just about simple majority.

North Central Nigerians are not Hausa.
In this region you will find:
Yoruba and Fulani dominate Kwara state.
Igbira, igala and Yoruba dominate Kogi state.
Tiv, and idoma dominate Benue state.
Lantang, etc in Plateau state.
Gwari, nupe etc Niger state
Igbira Toto, Gwari etc Nasarawa state.


In the South South
Yoruba, Benin, Estako, Esan dominate Edo state.
Ijaw, istekiri, Irobo, etc in Delta state.
Ijaw, nembe etc Bayelsa state.
Calabar people in Cross river state.
Calabar in Akwa Ibom state.
Ijaw, etc still in Rivers state.

South West region is Yoruba second largest tribe by population and landmass.

South East is Igbo third largest tribe by population and landmass.

North West mainly Hausa/ Fulani

North East mainly Hausa /Fulani.


How did Kenyans come up with their useless assumption?

Just30:
NDC strong hold is the Volta region, NPP strong hold is the Ashanti region. The Western, Greater Accra, Brong Ahafo and Central Regions are Swing regions anyone who wins all four or even three wins the presidency if it is split then there would have to be a second round

Thanks. I have stated clearly where each party dominates. Are you Ghanaian?

iblawi:


I wonder how Kenyans sit thousands of kilometers away and feel they know what's happening in West Africa. Even in Nigeria you most win 2/3 of the states before you are declared winner. It's not just about simple majority.

North Central Nigerians are not Hausa.
In this region you will find:
Yoruba and Fulani dominate Kwara state.
Igbira, igala and Yoruba dominate Kogi state.
Tiv, and idoma dominate Benue state.
Lantang, etc in Plateau state.
Gwari, nupe etc Niger state
Igbira Toto, Gwari etc Nasarawa state.


In the South South
Yoruba, Benin, Estako, Esan dominate Edo state.
Ijaw, istekiri, Irobo, etc in Delta state.
Ijaw, nembe etc Bayelsa state.
Calabar people in Cross river state.
Calabar in Akwa Ibom state.
Ijaw, etc still in Rivers state.

South West region is Yoruba second largest tribe by population and landmass.

South East is Igbo third largest tribe by population and landmass.

North West mainly Hausa/ Fulani

North East mainly Hausa /Fulani.


How did Kenyans come up with their useless assumption?

Am starting to believe "dominate" has a different meaning in Nigerian lingo.

Let me put it in simpler terms. Who makes the biggest percentage of the population in these states? There are only 36 states. It's not rocket science! !!

I'll do it myself

Just30:
NPP gets 30% of it votes from the Ashanti region then it always wins the Eastern Region with a comfortable lead , NDC gets 30% of it votes the Volta Region and then it get to win the three northern regions by a comfortable vote lead. The remaining regions determines who wins the elections.
But this year, the demographic has changed to a large extend
Whiles 70% -80% of general voters are party base voters and the remaining 20%-30% are floating voters , university and secondary school graduate voters mostly tends to vote for the NPP . The NDC gets majority of it's votes from the uneducated voter class as well as the Zongo communities

I see. So i can surmise there is a class/social dynamic that fits into a map where regional disparities closely mirror ethnic realities?

Muafrika2:

Am starting to believe "dominate" has a different meaning in Nigerian lingo.

Let me put it in simpler terms. Who makes the biggest percentage of the population in these states? There are only 36 states. It's not rocket science! !!

I'll do it myself

Keep living a foolish life.

Someone will still not see any correlation between tribe and voting patterns

Pity

Muafrika2:

Am starting to believe "dominate" has a different meaning in Nigerian lingo.

Let me put it in simpler terms. Who makes the biggest percentage of the population in these states? There are only 36 states. It's not rocket science! !!

I'll do it myself

Thanks @Muafrika2 .Those two maps vindicate my earlier statement i.e there was a clear rejection of goodluck in hausa and Yoruba dominated areas. Am also an African, so i know the delicate interplay in party politics and ethnicity in Africa.
Interesting side fact:Morgan Tsvangirai comes from the shona sub group called Manyika but gets votes from the very non shona Ndebele speakers in the SW of Zimbabwe and also other zimbos. Other shona groups tend to be split but its where Mugabe gets his "votes". They would all find it hard to elect a ndebele into office though. Sounds familiar?? Ukabila kila mahali.

MtuMsuper:

Thanks @Muafrika2 .Those two maps vindicate my earlier statement i.e there was a clear rejection of goodluck in hausa and Yoruba dominated areas. Am also an African, so i know the delicate interplay in party politics and ethnicity in Africa.
Interesting side fact:Morgan Tsvangirai comes from the shona sub group called Manyika but gets votes from the very non shona Ndebele speakers in the SW of Zimbabwe and also other zimbos. Other shona groups tend to be split but its where Mugabe gets his "votes". They would all find it hard to elect a ndebele into office though. Sounds familiar?? Ukabila kila mahali.

The story repeats itself all the way into Northern Arabian Africans like Libya, etc. For some reason, Naijans seem embarrassed of that fact.

And the major opposition group is always a rival ethnic group...

Muafrika2:

The story repeats itself all the way into Northern Arabian Africans like Libya, etc. For some reason, Naijans seem embarrassed of that fact.

And the major opposition group is always a rival ethnic group...

Yup. even in the nation of Angola, the main opposition UNITA is dominated by ovimbundu (not exclusively though) ,and the ruling MPLA by Mbundu and Mestizos. The Bakongo seem to be in some limbo in that regard since their group FNLA got defeated militarily earlier in that conflict. How do the northern arabs do their ukabila. Am new to this one.

MtuMsuper:

I see. So i can surmise there is a class/social dynamic that fits into a map where regional disparities closely mirror ethnic realities?

yes, Two regions in this country vote on a line that look ethnic but is not when you look at the facts from the history of those regions and the party. How the party is constituted

MtuMsuper:

Yup. even in the nation of Angola, the main opposition UNITA is dominated by ovimbundu (not exclusively though) ,and the ruling MPLA by Mbundu and Mestizos. The Bakongo seem to be in some limbo in that regard since their group FNLA got defeated militarily earlier in that conflict. How do the northern arabs do their ukabila. Am new to this one.

Let's take Libya, for example;

Gaddafi based his rule on three tribes: his own (the Gaddafi) and the allied Maqariha (who he married into) and Warfalla (the country’s largest). These controlled all key positions in the armed forces, police and intelligence service. As can be seen in the above map, this power base was located in the west of the country. This explains why Gaddafi lost power in the east so easily—and was able to maintain it in the west far longer. Places like Surt, which had the most to lose if he fell from power, held out the longest, and will likely resist the new order as much as possible.

MtuMsuper:

Thanks. I have stated clearly where each party dominates. Are you Ghanaian?

yes I'm Ghanaian.

PissedYagami:

In Tanzania they tried to discourage tribal languages and they taught every subject in Kiswahili. Plus they tried to get rid of European languages there. Thats why almost everyone speaks Swahili there. In Kenya everything is taught in English. Very few Tanzanians can speak in English. Most Kenyans are trilingual: Mother tongue, Kiswahili and English.

Perfect explanation. It perfectly worked for Tanzania i guess. It unified them a lot. I guess other African countries can take a cue from them or what do u think?

PissedYagami:

Yes Elani are Kenyan.
I know who Ali Kiba is. I guess I have known him for more than a decade now. But, to be honest I do not listen to his music. I listen to a different genre of music. So I cannot rate him

Kk

gallivant:


You can't really tell. Kenyans come in all shapes, sizes and colour.

Well, at least u should be able to guess.
One of u just claimed that you guys are divided into cushites, nilotes, bantus e.t.c and the physical features are glaringly different.
If it'd were to be Nigerians i can give a very close guess where they're likely to b from

gallivant:


Okay lets not focus on revisionist history but facts! You have been explained the roots of the language, it's earliest settlements and closest tribal cousins(Mijikenda). You have also been told why most Tanzanians speak Swahili, it's their national/official language and their medium of instruction in all national institutions.In Kenya and Uganda its different. English is the official language while Swahili is the national language.

Yes i get it well.
So why does Kenya and Uganda not promote swahili like Tanzania? I guess this is the reason why it seems like Tanzanians have a greater mastery over the language and sing more melodious musics in it?

Muafrika2:

Kikuyu, Kikuyu and Luo

Luos are tall

hmm, interesting. We hardly see kenyan movies, musics and celebrities more often. Why is this so?
It seems your people are less into entertainment. I wish all you east Africans unite and have a single entertainment industry. U guys would have been able to give we Nigerians a run for our money or don't you think?
We Nigerians unfortunately are surrounded by french speaking countries. Ghanaians are the only English speaking neighbours we have, we do movies together with them a lot to the extent that almost every famous Ghanaian artiste is well known in Nigeria and 100% welcomed. Infact, some of us can't tell a Nigerian actor from a Ghanaian one sometimes.
I wish we Nigerians understood french, then we and our neighbours would have flowed better. Actually, french is Nigeria's 2nd official language but 99% of Nigerians don't know that and are not interested in the language though. It was not enforced by our govt.

Muafrika2:
IanSweet
I just lost a few paragraphs on Kikuyus and politics, business and numbers

And then grading of towns into cities by the Kenyan government

Here is my home town, Kakamega

Kk, cool town. What is the population of the town?

ianSweet:


Perfect explanation. It perfectly worked for Tanzania i guess. It unified them a lot. I guess other African countries can take a cue from them or what do u think?

Even tribal radio stations are illegal in Tanzania. On one side it promotes unity but on the other hand indigenous languages die fast. So it is good and bad at the same time

Muafrika2:

Swahili is spoken EVERYWHERE in Kenya. In Turkana, Wajir, Kisumu, Isiolo etc. It's easier to get around Kenya with Swahili than with any other languages.

Hmm, ok. But even down to the interior villages in all the tribal territories?

ianSweet:


Yes i get it well.
So why does Kenya and Uganda not promote swahili like Tanzania? I guess this is the reason why it seems like Tanzanians have a greater mastery over the language and sing more melodious musics in it?

Kenya promotes kiswahili, it is the official and the national language. Kenyans from different tribes use kiswahili to communicate not English. If you go to the market you will use Kiswahili, not English. In Uganda English is more popular there, and Luganda

Just30:
yes I'm Ghanaian.

Akwaaba to this thread. Now,may i ask you to weigh in with regard to the actual title of the thread. Your contribution is welcome

ianSweet:


Hmm, ok. But even down to the interior villages in all the tribal territories?

Yes. even in the most remote place where mobile phones cannot connect.

mkenya254:


To be honest the East Africa Community mainly sucks because of Tanzania.

Kenya is a very capitalistic state and Tanzania is still reeling from effects of extreme socialism that were advocated by its first president Nyerere who was a great president btw

The effect is like trying to get USA(very capitalistic) and Russia(recovering from communism) to effect the same beliefs and be part of the same community. So all the time decisions on policies will take forever will Kenya being aggressive and Tanzania very passive on the implementation or passing of any bills or laws.

Kenya gets along very well with Rwanda especially.

The East Africa becoming one community is a fairy tale that is never going to happen any time soon.

Wow, i get the gist. I never knew Tanzania was socialist in the past. I only knew Nyerere enforced oneness and unity in the country by banning the promotion of tribal languages.
Nevertheless, i can say Tanzanians benefitted more from this. Tanzania is like the most united country in diversity. I wish we Nigerians were involved in such a system. In Nigeria we have so much ethnic and religious divisions, preferences and discrimination.
Tanzania's case is truly the best for African nations believe me. Ethnic and religious differences has done Africans more harm than good.

Well, on EAC, I think you guys should not relent. I really wish to see a powerful east African country or workable union at least.
Larger nations usually have more potentials. See the way Nigeria for instance is dominating west Africa and if not for the fact that we were misled by the military rule for decades after the civil war, we would have been far ahead our current status. Although larger nations also have their issues too although for the case of the EAC i believe it would be less because it would be a union entered into by mutual understanding and agreement on so many principles.

How do Kenyans and Rwandans get along well despite the anglophine francophone difference?

mkenya254:


About Swahili I believe the origins have been explained. People in coastal kenya speak same with Tanzanians and Lamu on the Kenyan North coast is probably the most Swahili a town can get... In terms of food, architecture, history etc

Now Kenya has 42 tribes though divided into 3 large groups, Bantus, Cushites and Nilotes. Cushites live in the drier parts of the country(North Eastern and Northern Kenya). Bantus live in the wetter areas since they were predominantly farmers. Nilotes live in the rift Valley and comprise of Kalenjins; who form majority of the athletes you see representing Kenya and the famous Maasai.

All Kenyans start speaking in their tribal language. So if you go to a Kikuyu town you will get many people speak Kikuyu. If you are Maasai for example you speak in Swahili everyone will understand you from a baby to an elderly person.

Then English is also taught in schools from kindergarten level and is the official language so everyone knows it.

The Kenyan closest relative to Nigerian pidgin English has to be Sheng not Swahili. Sheng is urbanized swahili which is found in most Kenyan songs. It is a mix of Swahili, English and some tribal languages. It emerged from Nairobi and is more popular in cities. It was popularized by Kenyan HipHop and is mostly popular among young people who usually come up with the most creative of words. It is steadily evolving which means vocabulary gets out of date/fashion very soon and doesn't become cool anymore once a cooler term comes up.

Swahili is taught in schools and when writing essays and every student has to use correct Swahili. But outside classrooms most students default to the 'cooler' sheng. Just think of how an HipHop artist like Kanye West for instance would use proper English in a formal place and urbane English(what's poppin, Holla, bro, my Nigga etc) when hanging out. Now Tanzania has nothing like this and everybody always uses proper Swahili. Same with the coastal region in Kenya

Wow, i really get.
So does this mean your elderly people cannot speak sheng?
Pidgin is well spoken by even elderly people in the south-south urban areas of Nigeria.
How well is the use of sheng promoted? How different js sheng from swahili? What percentage of mutual intelligibility can u say both languages have?

Between English and Swahili, which does an educated Kenyan have greater mastery over? Do u guys use swahili is any of your legislative, judicial or executive settings?

PissedYagami:

Even tribal radio stations are illegal in Tanzania. On one side it promotes unity but on the other hand indigenous languages die fast. So it is good and bad at the same time

I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
Ethnic and religious differences will always do more harm among Africans than a dying language would ever do. So, kudos to Tanzania for achieving such unity if you ask me.

mkenya254:


Most Kenyans do not know a thing or two about Burundi. It's just like that neighbour you never speak to. Not because you hate them but because their is very little in common with you. Plus Burundi has some civil unrest right now.

Now Rwanda is Kenya's best ally in East Africa. Their Swahili is extremely different perhaps since they don't speak it very actively opting for French and Kinywaranda most of the time. I have been to Rwanda and could barely understand their Swahili. Also a very small percentage of their population speaks Swahili. I would compare that with the number of Tanzanians speaking fluent English, they are there but extremely difficult to find and are usually the ones that travel a lot to other countries.

Tanzania has no notion of tribal conflicts despite having more communities that Kenya due to socialism which was introduced by their first president. They adopted Swahili as the only language and even all their subjects were taught in Swahili in school. This led to tribal languages becoming redundant after sometime and eventually most of the cultural tribal things were eroded which led to a more united people since there is nothing going like I am Yorba, you are Hausa kind of things.

For Kenya, Swahili was adopted as a national language to enable people from different communities to be able to communicate at the same time Kenyans continued with their tribal languages as well. SWAHILI was just a plus. Now this easened communications since all Kenyans speak Swahili and is the main language in cities but the tribal alignment was never rid of. So at times political differences will often lead tribes to form alliances against each other. For example, when there is an election and all people in Southern Nigeria, yoruba etc vote for someone from the south and the Northern tribes, Hausa etc only vote for Hausa leaders. Tribes that have larger populations e.g. Kikuyu, Kalenjins and Luo have the larger say. The advantage is that we were able to retain our cultures but the disadvantages is that this cultural differences are exploited by politicians for their own gain. There is nothing of the sort in Tanzania

There are no religious conflicts in Kenya as well. Majority of Kenyans are Christians by name but from day to day activities behave like there is no religion e.g. Never attend church or even read the Bible after finishing school etc. Sort of like the way the US is. A lot of people say they believe in religion but in reality don't care much about it though if you ask them do you believe in Jesus they will say yes

Majority of schools actually will have a church and a mosque. Those that don't have resources to build will usually use different places in the school to accommodate both. For instance I attended a Catholic missionary school in lower level but the Muslims were let to be on their own.

Hmm, very revealing.
I think communism is the way out for African nations because it is obvious that tribalism is such a bitter pill that most Africans have to swallow on a daily basis in their countries. No amount of preach for unity can stop tribalism.
Countries like Nigeria are hit by tribalism and religious favoritism at the same time. It's just sad and i really wished we can get a way across this.
It's so bad in Nigeria that some people from a particular part live in fear or dread to migrate to some other parts of the country.

Nigerians are also very religious especially people from the core-northern part of the country who take islam too far. Only the kind of Tanzanian treatment can ever make Nigerians one.
What makes Nigeria's case so bad is that the stupid british colonial masters left us with 2 major religions who are almost equal and 3 major ethnic groups who are also equal.

ianSweet:
hmm, interesting. We hardly see kenyan movies, musics and celebrities more often. Why is this so?

Nigerians are not open to entertainment from other African countries. We listen to music from all over the place, watch all kinds of African movies

It seems your people are less into entertainment. I wish all you east Africans unite and have a single entertainment industry. U guys would have been able to give we Nigerians a run for our money or don't you think?

Diversity is not so bad at times, it gives more people an opportunity to grow. But we do consume alot of productions shared around East Africa. Music, TV programmes, etc

Your population comes to your advantage here. There is a big market within your borders and local productions sell more at home.

We Nigerians unfortunately are surrounded by french speaking countries. Ghanaians are the only English speaking neighbours we have, we do movies together with them a lot to the extent that almost every famous Ghanaian artiste is well known in Nigeria and 100% welcomed. Infact, some of us can't tell a Nigerian actor from a Ghanaian one sometimes.
I wish we Nigerians understood french, then we and our neighbours would have flowed better. Actually, french is Nigeria's 2nd official language but 99% of Nigerians don't know that and are not interested in the language though. It was not enforced by our govt.

French? Didn't know that

I've seen some west African movies spoken in french. Sometimes I can't tell if it's Nigerians. Someone tell those people to enlarge their English titles. They are such a strain Ghanaians are similar to Nigerians in their productions. I love their movies. They've got some good actors too.

@mKenya254

You said that most Tanzanians hardly speak English. But most educated tanzanians i have seen or come across om social network or the entertainment industry speak perfect English.

mkenya254:


I just used Yoruba and Hausa so that it is easier for Nigerians to understand. Here voting is tribal. No one really gives a hoot about religion. So you will never be passed on a promotion, secluded on the basis of religion unless you are a devil worshipper. Lol.. For people whose belief on Christianity is pretentious at most, everybody fears Illuminati and the likes. So you will not be accepted

Pls, what is the % population of muslims in Kenya? Which ethnic groups are muslims in Kenya?

Muafrika2:


Naijalander isn't being honest. Just browse this forum for the Yoruba vs Igbo hate threads, Easterners vs what not. Buhari was voted in by a fulani/hausa/yoruba alliance.

Pls make no mistakes. The kind of yoruba-igbo hatred you see on nairaland is no applicable in real everyday Nigerian life. I just don't know how that of nairaland evolved.
It is there no doubt, but not as intense as you see it on nairaland. Yorubas and Igbos have never clashed in real life.
The people who yorubas and igbos have clashed with in real life battles are the Hausas. Yorubas and igbos are more educated and have been heavily influenced by christianity unlike the Hausas and fulanis.

Just30:
yes I'm Ghanaian.

Okaaay!! I prayed for a Ghanaian and here he is. God is good and great all the time and always. Akwaaba. Just to be very clear, i am on your side in the jollof rice war. By the way, did you know we have naturalized kenyans of Ghana origin right here in Kenya?