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Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 10:31pm On Jan 02, 2017 |
Studies: Suicide bombers in Iraq are mostly foreigners Hafez, whose new book is "Suicide Bombers in Iraq," has identified the nationalities of 124 bombers who attacked in Iraq. Of those, the largest number — 53 — were Saudis. Eight apiece came from Italy and Syria, seven from Kuwait, four from Jordan and two each from Belgium, France and Spain. Others came from North and East Africa, South Asia and various Middle Eastern and European countries. Only 18 — 15 percent — were Iraqis. Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24467953.html#storylink=cpy |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 10:32pm On Jan 02, 2017 |
Iraq Army arrests Saudi suicide bomber in Salahuddin December 16, 2015 Comments Off on Iraq Army arrests Saudi suicide bomber in Salahuddin The Iraqi Army and popular forces, in a joint operation, identified and captured a Saudi terrorist in Salahuddin province, military sources said on Wednesday. “A Saudi suicide bomber was arrested by the Iraqi forces in Makhoul mountains near Beiji before he can carry out any attack on the military or civilian targets,” the sources said. “The Iraqi forces seized several explosive-laden jackets in the operation,” the sources further added. Many sources have thus far confirmed vast presence of international terrorists, including the Saudi ones, within the ranks of the ISIL militant group in Iraq and Syria. Late in November, Spokesman of Iraq’s Volunteer Forces Karim al-Nouri announced that the country’s military troops are now in full control of the city of Beiji, and are now moving towards the key regions of Huweija and Sharqat in the provinces of Kirkuk and Salahuddin. “The Iraqi joint forces have taken control of Beiji and they are making their way towards Huweija and Sharqat,” Nouri said at the time. He pointed to the areas that the Iraqi forces have taken back from the ISIL Takfiri terrorists, and said, “We are tightly holding the key areas of Salahuddin and the ISIL cannot take them back by any means.” Nouri reiterated that the scenario of losing newly seized areas back to the terrorists will not be repeated. ![]() http://shiapost.com/2015/12/16/iraq-army-arrests-saudi-suicide-bomber-in-salahuddin/ |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 10:33pm On Jan 02, 2017 |
Jordanian Salafi groups accuse Saudi Arabia, Qatar of sending suicide bombers Iraq, Syria by Ahmed Hussein Oct 5, 2012, 11:25 am Baghdad (IraqiNews.com) The Jordanian Salafi groups accused the Saudi Arabia and Qatar of sending gunmen and suicide bombers to Iraq and Syria. Salafi source stated in a press release that “Those who infiltrated into Iraq and Syria are elements related to the Wahhabi sect and they are supported by both Saudi Arabia and Qatar despite the differences between these two countries concerning many issues.” “The Salafi movement in Jordan does not adopt the armed activities to bring about changes in the countries as it is evident during the peaceful demonstrations launched in Jordan,” the source added. Earlier, the former Jordanian Minister, Salih al-Qalab, admitted his participation in sending many suicide bombers into Iraq. http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/jordanian-salafi-groups-accuse-saudi-arabia-qatar-of-sending-suicide-bombers-iraq-syria/ |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 10:35pm On Jan 02, 2017 |
Demmzy15: after reading the above reports, you can now search the internet. find one report where an Iranian "suicide bomber" was arrested in Iraq or in any foreign country. to fart "news" and unfounded allegations is very easy. to back them up, instead of attributing them to hearsay from another individual, is very hard. ![]() |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 11:14pm On Jan 02, 2017 |
Wallahi I'm always intrigued and amazed at your stupidity. You really think we're dummies right? So now Yasser Al Habib is now a terrorist/extremist because he exposes Iran but when you want to prove issue about the Aqeedah of Shias, you quote him, by then he suddenly becomes a Saint?! ![]() ![]() You quoted different sources claiming suicide bombers are Saudis, that's not my problem. But the fact remains that all scholars of Ahl Sunnah aka salafiyyah aka wahabiyyah speak and forbid suicide bombings while you Shias as you've clearly done before support them and make excuses for them. Please don't come barking and beating your hairy chest here, your posts speak for itself. As for question above, Yasser Al Habib gave us an answer, please endeavor to watch the video. Please what's the name of the Jordan Salafi Group and who heads it, lemme burst your bubble! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 12:20am On Jan 03, 2017 |
Demmzy15: what is amazing here is not simply that you are very stupid and extremely stupid, it is the fact that you are content in choosing stupidity as a way and defending it. did i say al-Habib is a "terrorist"? i said he is an extremist. you ended up adding a slash and the word "terrorist". he is an extremist not because of his aqeedah. but because of his manhaj (methodology). do you see Shia or any Shia scholar (aside from him and those within his own manhaj) who openly insult Sunni figures of ancient like Umar, Muawiyah, Aisha, Abu Bakr, etc.? check his youtube videos on Aisha and Umar. the Shia do not do it openly. they always try to be diplomatic in passing the message. his hatred for the Iranian government, for whatever reason, is another problem that he has and does not hide. if you are forcing me to accept his claim on Iran because i quote him on purely religious subjects, then by the same token, you must accept his religious views and lectures since he has become a political saint to you!!! so do you think we are dummies here? you have no point at all.
your stupidities speak for themselves. i will repeat again, whether by suicide bombing or using a kitchen knife, what is forbidden in Islam is killing innocent soul. and whether by using a kitchen knife, suicide bombing or a matchstick, self defense is not forbidden in Islam. and if an oppressed people, who have no means to defend themselves, and as a last resort use what you call "suicide bombing", as your Sunni brothers do in Palestine, that is not forbidden Islamically. you are speaking in the name of Ahlus Sunnah (Sunnis) as if the Palestinians are not majority Sunnis, and as if their scholars who permit the act against occupation are not Sunni scholars. recently, they released a statemennt rejecting fatwa opposed to "martyrdom operations" or what you call "suicide bombing". are those not Sunnis? whatever means you use to "defend" yourself, in Islam what is forbidden is killing innocent people like your takfiri wahhabi brothers do. they blow up civilians of other faith. that is haram. whether they blow themselves up or use broomstick, killing innocent people indiscriminately based on their faith (takfiri killing) is forbidden. using whatever means against combatants oppressing a population of weak people is not forbidden. in saudi arabia, the wahhabi clerics loyal to the monarchy see wahhabi militants as "misguided terrorists" and a big threat to the al-saud rule; but while those wahhabi terrorists operate in syria and iraq, killing Shias and Christians, they are regarded as heroic "rebels". similarly, the motive for prohibiting "suicide attacks" is because these wahhabi monsters use it to target innocent civilians and the clerics loyal to the monarchy are scared that elements among the wahhabis opposed to the monarchy can used this tactic to fight their government. that is exactly the reason you see ISIS wahhabi terrorists who glorify both ibn taymiyyah and ibn abdul wahab (the foudners of wahhabism/salafism) use the tactic in targeting innocent people in faith based killings aka takfiri killings in iraq and syria. the prohibition by the saudi clerics is not based on humane consideration at all. you can see that clearly when the criminals target civilians in other countries, esp. iraq, in takfiri killings using suicide. the saudi clerics and govt. are ambivalent or silent. what they regard as "terrorism" (even atheism to them is classified as terrorism) in saudi is not "terrorism" in other countries to them. no condemnation ever on the many attacks in iraq, even carried by saudis targeting shias and christians and yazidis. so your wahhabi brothers do not all regard the views of the saudi clerics loyal to the monarchy as binding. that is within wahhabism itself there is division. talk less of within the whole of sunnism. another example below. so i hope you will stop falsely accusing me of what i do not support. you cannot say i support the act when it is targeting innocent civilians. that is a LIE. what i support is using whatever means by an oppressed population to defend against combatants, not against non-combatants. that is the position of Islam: self-defense. stop lying or being purposefully and consciously stupid because Allah will still punish you for it. and may He punish you for every lie you consciously and deliberately utter or type. may He cut off those fingers that type the deliberate and conscious LIES. "Hamas leaders reject fatwa forbidding suicide attacks" : http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/12/palestinian-fatwa-suicide-operations-israel.html
the translation or the english on that iraqi news site is poor. apparently. the phrase "jordanian salafist groups" is a literal translation of the arabic equivalent. here is the arabic report from another news source, if you understand arabic: http://alhurrya.com/archives/22473 |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 12:25am On Jan 03, 2017 |
Look here Mr. Man, I'm not in the mood for long arguments, when one looks at it, it's the same thing you've been repeating every single I encounter you. From beginning to end is just your normal Shia persecution rubbish, Matam, tatbir, kaza kaza kaza I asked for the name of the group, you say it's "groups". Please my Arabic is weak, I'm still learning but can you provide the name of the group or better still a prominent head of that group! 2 Likes |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 12:33am On Jan 03, 2017 |
[b][/b] Demmzy15: it says "majmoo'ah". that is literally translated as "groups" or what can be rightly translated as "body of salafiyyah" in jordan. it is not my problem and not my job to be your translator. you should ask Yasser al-Habib to substantiate his claim that you are parroting like a fool. i am not even arguing with you. do we even sound like on the same level of intelligence? you dont know your mate. silly. |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 12:46am On Jan 03, 2017 |
ShiaMuslim: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Nevertheless, I asked for the name of the group. A group is more than one, so therefore you don't need to say "group". So Mr. ShiaMuslim, if they don't have a name, can you provide a credible/prominent scholar from amongst them! 1 Like |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 9:10am On Jan 03, 2017 |
Demmzy15: "A group is more than one"... You must have been drunk with camel p i s s from Saudi Arabia while typing that. ![]() |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 10:32am On Jan 03, 2017 |
Saudi cleric: ISIS believe in what we do (Video) By Paul Antonopoulos - 28/01/20160 A former imam at Mecca's Grand Mosque has said that ISIS executions of western hostages were 'not outside Salafist framework' in which Saudi Arabia also follows. The cleric, Sheikh al-Kalbani states that:"We follow the same thought [as IS] but apply it in a refined way. They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles." The cleric said that “we do not criticise the thought on which it (IS) is based". The footage of the Sheikh speaking with Dubai-based channel MBC was translated by British think tank Integrity UK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWORE6OBfhc The Sheikh has previously been refused entry into the UK, allegedly for calling Shi'ite Muslim apostates, although no official reason was given. The radical cleric also justified the killing of journalists by ISIS as it was well within the right of the Salafist framework. "Their blood was shed according to Salafist fatwas (religious edicts) not outside the Salafist framework," he said. https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/saudi-cleric-isis-believe-in-what-we-do/ |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 10:36am On Jan 03, 2017 |
Note: the above cleric, Kalbani, prouds himself as the "first black imam (congregational leader) " in Makkah appointed by the Saudi government. He is an employee of the Saudi monarchy. A pro-Saudi cleric paid by the Saudi government and he is telling Demmzy that ISIS belongs to your Wahhabi/Salafist aqeedah (doctrines) and he is justifying their faith based (takfiri) killings. Hope you see how ugly your ideology/cult of bloodsucking and death is and how far away it is from the mercy, peace and love in Islam preached by Prophet Muhammad (s). Hope you now realize why we choose to be Shia Muslims than to be (Sunni) Wahhabi. He (Kalbani) is not an anti-establishment cleric in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia as Yasser al-Habib (a Shia scholar) is to Shia Iran. |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 2:48pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
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Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 3:10pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
Demmzy15: son, what do you think of the below: ShiaMuslim: |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 4:26pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
^^^ShiaMuslim leave me na, don't you have better things to do with your life? ![]() 1. Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Ibn Uthaymeen(rah): Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action? Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam). [((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]]. However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error. And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says: {And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29]. And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge. We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things. Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119 2. Shaykh AbdusSallaam as-Suhaymee said: ‘Indeed the issue of speaking about Suicide missions, is that whether the person who is fought against, is he actually from the combatants, and that Jihad in reality is facing the Kuffar in a battle. Suicide Missions have become a modern day fashion, and many people are sympathetic with the one who carries it out by looking at the goal behind these missions. The sympathetic person finds it sufficient from these missions that the intent of executing these missions is to raise the statement of Tawheed, and to aid Islaam and humble theKuffar as they claim. However, what is the Sharia’ ruling regarding these Suicide Missions? [The Ends Do not Justify the Means] Indeed it is known from the Sharia’ that a good intention on its own is not sufficient to allow an action to be permissible according to the Sharia’. These people, who carry out Suicide Missions, propel themselves by saying that the means to the end take the same rulings of the intended goals, so if the goal is legislated in the Sharia’ then its means are also legislated in the Sharia’. However this is not acceptable, because the ends do not justify the means absolutely, rather it is obligatory that the means also have to be legislated in the Sharia’ to fulfill the goals in the Sharia’. As for, if the means are not legislated in the Sharia’ then it is not sufficient for the goal to be legislated. The principle for this is mentioned in Bukhari and Muslim from the saying of the Messenger–sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam-: ( من عمل عملا ليس عليه أمرنا فهو رد ) ‘Whoever does an action which we have not commanded then it is rejected.’ So every action which is not in accordance with the command of Allaah or His Messenger then it is rejected (Allaah does not accept it) from the one who does it, no matter how good his intention was. Now that this point has been established, then indeed the well regarded scholars of today hold the view that these acts of suicide are not permissible, and from these scholars are: the respected Shaykh AbdulAzeez bin Baz -Rahimullaah-, and the noble Shaykh Muhammad bin Salih al-Uthaymeen, the respected Shaykh AbdulAzeez bin Abdullaah Alaa-Shaykh, the noble Shaykh Salih bin Fawzan al-Fawzan, and Shaykh AbdulAzeez ar-Rajihi, and Shaykh AbdulMuhsin al-Ubaykan and others. The Sharia’ proofs from the Book and the Sunnah and the intellect, show that these operations are Haram according to the Sharia’. From the Book of Allaah: 1- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala: << إِنْ يَمْسَسْكُمْ قَرْحٌ فَقَدْ مَسَّ الْقَوْمَ قَرْحٌ مِثْلُهُ وَتِلْكَ الْأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنْكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ >> << If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers).>>[Ala-Imraan: 140] The proof being: that this Ayaah contains the evidence for a principle, which is, that seeking martyrdom in the path of Allaah is a selection made by Allaah and the choice of Allaah Subhanahu, and it is not for everyone who wants to be a martyr. The view that it is permissible to carry out suicide missions to kill the enemy nullifies this principle. The proof for this point in this Ayaah is the saying of Allaah Subhanahu: << آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنْكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ >> <<and that He may take martyrs from among you>> So Allaah is the One who chooses who is martyred in His Way. As for the one who commits suicide to kill the enemy then he is not a martyr, because he himself has appointed the time in which to die, and this in the Sharia’ is defined as suicide. 2- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala: اتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيَقْتُلُونَ وَيُقْتَلُونَ >> <<Verily, Allaah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be Paradise. They fight in Allaah’s Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. >> [Tawbah:111] 3- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala: << وَمَنْ يُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيُقْتَلْ أَوْ يَغْلِبْ فَسَوْفَ نُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا >><<and whoso fights in the Cause of Allaah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.>> [Nisa:74] The proof being from these two Ayaat: that the one who kills himself with explosives or in other ways wanting to kill the enemy then it is not correct to label him as a martyr;because the martyr is the one who is killed by the enemy. In the first Ayaahthose that have been promised Paradise are two types: The combatant and the one killed by the enemy. And in the second Ayaah: the one promised with great reward is the one who is killed by the enemy or the one who is victorious, however whoever kills himself with explosives does not enter under the meaning of these two Ayaat. 4- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala: << وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِكُمْ رَحِيمًا () وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ عُدْوَانًا وَظُلْمًا فَسَوْفَ نُصْلِيهِ نَارًا وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرًا >> <<And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allaah.>> [Nisa:29-30] The proof being: This Ayaah generally includes a person committing suicide, and these type of suicide operations include killing the innocent, from women, old people and children, and there is no doubt that this is from transgression and oppression, and the one who carries out a suicide mission is deserving of this severe warning and it applies to him. From the Sunnah: 1- From Abu Huraira –radiAllaah anhu- who said: That the Messenger of Allaah –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam– said: من قتل نفسه بحديدة فحديدته في يده يتوجأ بها في بطنه في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا و من شرب سما فقتل نفسه فهو يتحساه في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا و من تردى من جبل فقتل نفسه فهو يتردى في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا ‘Whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever. and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever. and whoever jumps off a mountain and kills himself, he will be jumping off into the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever.’ [Collected by Bukhari & Muslim] 2- From Thaabit bin Dhihak that the Messenger of Allaah –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam–said: من قتل نفسه بشيء عذب به يوم القيامة ‘Whoever kills himself with something then he will be punished with that thing on the day of Judgement.’ [Collected by Bukhari & Muslim] 3- From Abu Huraira –radiAllaah anhu- who said: That the Prophet –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam– said: الذي يخنق نفسه يخنقها في النار و الذي يطعنها يطعنها في النار ‘Whoever strangles himself then he will strangle himself in the Hell-Fire, and whoever stabs himself then he will stab himself in the Hell-Fire.’ [Collected by Bukhari] The proof being from these Ahadeeth: That these Ahadeeth generally show that it is prohibited for a person to kill himself no matter what the reasons are, and this includes everyone that kills himself with whichever means used. From the Intellect: 1- That these operations indeed bring a backlash with a greater evil consequence upon Islaam and the Muslims, whether that is in Palestine or in any other place. These operations in reality show contempt and scorn of the blood of the Muslims, and sacrifices for these operations are with no benefit worth mentioning. 2- That these operations actually fulfill the aims of the enemies of Islaam in an indirect way, by giving the enemies of Islaam the excuse by which they have fulfilled their aims in the easiest way, along with the clear weakness of the Muslims in defending themselves. 3- That these suicide missions which are aimed at other than those who are combatants from women, children and old people are a deterrent against the Deen of Allaah, because of the oppression of these suicide missions and their harshness, cheating, treachery, lying and all of these are contradictory to the Sharia’ of Islaam, all of them are contradictory and the explanation of that is from the following points: First point: that the Deen of Islaam is the Deen of justice even in dealing with the enemy, so their oppression against the Muslims does not in turn justify oppressing them. Allaah Ta’ala said: << وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ أَنْ صَدُّوكُمْ عَنِ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ أَنْ تَعْتَدُوا وَتَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْبِرِّ وَالتَّقْوَى وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ >> << and let not the hatred of some people in (once) stopping you from Al-Masjid al-Haraam (in Makkah) lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help one another in Al-Birr and At-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment.>> [Maidah:2] Allaah Ta’ala said: << يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَاءَ بِالْقِسْطِ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا اعْدِلُوا هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ >> <<O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allaah and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is WellAcquainted with what you do.>> [Maidah:8] It is mentioned in the Hadeeth Qudsi that Allaah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala said: ‘O My worshippers, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another.’ [Collected by Muslim.] There is no doubt that aiming for innocent people and killing them due to the crime of someone else is from the severest of Dhulm (oppression). Second point: that the Deen of Islaam is the Deen of mercy and doing goodness, and this is not just to human beings alone, but even to animals, and these suicide missions are in contradiction to mercy. Third point: That the Deen of Islaam is a Deen of courage and sacrifice, and it is not courage to hide behind treachery and deception. Indeed Allaah ordered us at the inception of fighting a people, between whom we have a contract with or at the time we fear from them an action, Allaah ordered us to give them an announcement of war before launching war against them. Allaah – Subhanahu – said: << وَإِمَّا تَخَافَنَّ مِنْ قَوْمٍ خِيَانَةً فَانْبِذْ إِلَيْهِمْ عَلَى سَوَاءٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْخَائِنِينَ >> <<If you fear treachery from any people throw back (their covenant) to them (so as to be) on equal terms (that there will be no more covenant between you and them). Certainly Allaah likes not the treacherous.>> [Anfal:58] Allaah obligated upon us that even in war with them that we do not kill except those who fight us from amongst their men. And these people who carryout suicide missions commit a great crime against Islaam and the Muslims, so they ascribed Islaam to oppression, treachery and cheating. Islaam is not aided with oppression nor with cheating. What becomes clear from what has preceded, from the clear, authentic evidence that suicide operations are not allowed, which some have entitled: ‘martyr missions’ and that those who hold it to be permissible do not have any clear authentic proof what so ever, and what they use as proof for its permissibility is either a proof which is not authentic or it does not indicate to what they claim, and no one rejects this point except an ignorant person or someone who follows his desires. And Allaah Knows Best. [Taken From: ‘Jihad fee Islaam’ by Shaykh AbdusSallaam as-Suhaymee p.112 ] All Praise belongs to Allaah, may His peace and blessings be upon our final Prophet Muhammad, his family, his Companions and all those who follow his guidance. 2 Likes |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 5:18pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
Demmzy15: i will not leave you at all because you people lie and deceive. the above has nothing to do with my question. talk about the man in the video. so now it is no longer a blanket claim that Wahhabi/Salafist clerics oppose "suicide bombing". there is now an adjective. it is "senior" ones that oppose. how do you know the one in video is a "junior" one? Qaradawi is the topmost Salafist cleric and he supported it and only backed out due to Turkish pressure with an after thought fatwa claiming the Palestinians no longer need the tactic because they NOW have enough weapons to fight occupation and defend themselves. in other words, his fatwas are conditional. please do not abuse the words of the Prophet (s). do not use hadiths to back up fatwas of your clerics. the hadiths are about individual suicide, and not combat related. |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 5:38pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
ShiaMuslim: I don't know and I've never heard anyone referring to him, from all observations, he's one of those takfiri Sheikhs you all erroneously attribute to salafiyyah, no doubt about that! so now it is no longer a blanket claim that Wahhabi/Salafist clerics oppose "suicide bombing". there is now an adjective. it is "senior" ones that oppose. how do you know the one in video is a "junior" one? My position is clear, salafis/wahabis are against suicide bombings, what do you want again na? ![]() Qaradawi is the topmost Salafist cleric and he supported it and only backed out due to Turkish pressure with an after thought fatwa claiming the Palestinians no longer need the tactic because they NOW have enough weapons to fight occupation and defend themselves. in other words, his fatwas are conditional. Qaradawi belongs to the Ikwaan ul Muslimeen, a group which seeks to bridge the gap between sunnis and shias. This was the same group that gave birth to bin ladin, Zawahiri, etc with the help of Iran. There's no evidence whatsoever that Qaradawi ever claims to be a salafi, in fact many salafi scholars have been refuting him. please do not abuse the words of the Prophet (s). do not use hadiths to back up fatwas of your clerics. the hadiths are about individual suicide, and not combat related. They are not my words but those of credible scholars, go and meet them if you ain't satisfied. Suicide bombings is haram by the concensus, leave me alone na, or na by force? I'm damn sure you didn't even care to read but that's your business! 2 Likes |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
When did Qaradawi became salafi? ![]() I "shia-ed" to him when the pressure became much.. 1 Like |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 6:18pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
lexiconkabir:You're shocked too ba? The guy thinks he can just "shia" his way about, he thinks we're dummies. Al Imam Fakhr al Din Al Razi said: "An ant from the valley of ants possess more Intellect than a Rafidhi" So sad! ![]() ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 7:10pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
lexiconkabir: Demmzy15: keep trying to change the topic and run. you have been presented with a wahhabi cleric who supports suicide bombing contrary to your claim. and now you claim you have not heard of him before, as if you know each and every saudi wahhabi cleric and their views. the difference between me and you is that i do not describe people and call them names based on what i think or how i see things or based on my own beliefs. i base people's identity based on their own words and how they describe themselves. here is Qaradawi and his own words and see for yourself if he has not adopted Salafi tendencies AND BELIEFS: 1.) "A Conversation with Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi" http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27682 2.) "The top-most contemporary Salafist cleric and the ideological icon of the Ikhwan al-Muslimin (The Muslim Brotherhood) whose fatwas are authoritative for the global Salafi-Wahhabi clergy, is the Qatar-based Islamist jurist Shaikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi. He has also justified the suicide bombing as ‘a defensive tactic’ in his fatwa issued in the 1990s. Much like Zakir Naik, Shaikh Qaradawi has also repeatedly said that he is not the only cleric to justify suicide bombings and that his fatwa was tailored specifically for helpless Palestinians in their fight against the Israeli occupation." http://www.firstpost.com/world/suicide-bombing-is-haram-in-islam-only-salafist-ideologues-like-zakir-naik-view-it-as-a-war-tactic-2898840.html 3.) "Although al-Qaradawi wrote a book on Imam al-Ghazzali and often quotes his Ihya' as well as clobbers "Salafis" with the Ash`ari School as a whole ("The entire Umma is Ash`ari even if it displeases our 'Salafi' brothers" ![]() http://ahlussunnahwaljamah..com.ng/2008/02/yusuf-al-qaradawi.html 4.) " He informally serves as the main ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, for which he is controversial, especially in Egypt, his country of birth. And, though Muslim Salafis and members of the Brotherhood are frequently at odds, al-Qaradawi has been embraced by some Salafis, thus crossing multiple boundaries in Islamic thought." http://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/faq/yusuf-al-qaradawi-0 so you can add to the list the infamous Nasibi Indian Salafist pseudo-scholar Zakir Naik to the list of Wahhabi AKA Salafi clerics who support suicide bombing. he mentioned in the below video two Saudi Wahhabi "senior" clerics (Safar Awali, Salman Oudah) who support suicide bombing. ![]() ![]() IS ZAKIR NAIK NOT SALAFI? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdmNJWk4EI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjIlToCu8s YOU GUYS ARE SO CONFUSED AND F-ED UP THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR CUT CRITERIA ON WHO IS A SALAFI/WAHHABI AND WHO IS NOT. WHAT MAKES ONE A SALAFI. NO CLEAR CUT DOCTRINES. ALL THAT UNITE YOU PEOPLE IS TAKFIRI AND TAKFIRI KILLINGS. EVEN AMONG YOURSELVES. THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THE CONFUSION IS SO MUCH THAT YOU TURN ON YOURSELVES AND PASS TAKFIRI ON ONE ANOTHER. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN SYRIA WHEN AL-NUSRA AND ISIS SPLITS BECAUSE OF TWO TERRORISTS FIGHTING FOR LEADERSHIP OF TERROR. THEY ENDED UP PASSING TAKFIRI ON EACH OTHER AND KILLING THEMSELVES. YET, THEY BOTH RELATE TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ANCIENT TERRORISTS LIKE IBN TAYMIYYAH AND IBN ABDUL WAHAB, AND THEY UNITE IN THEIR BELIEF OF HATRED FOR SHIA, CHRISTIANS AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM. you guys obviously think Salafism/Wahhabism only belongs to your clerics that are loyal to al-Saud. the division amongst you guys is glaring. and this division is centered on a competition on who is more hateful and divisive towards others. Wallahi, this is satanic. in the Quran shaitan is the one described as someone whose aim is to sow enmity among humanity (not only among Muslims); but you sow enmity among Muslims and among yourselves!!! ![]() ![]() THIS, FOR ALLAH'S SAKE, IS NOT ISLAM. LOOK AT THE MANIFEST MISGUIDANCE! |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 10:54pm On Jan 03, 2017 |
I don enter wahala today o ![]() ![]() Salman, Safar and Ibn Ladin were warned against by Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Muqbil as far back as in the 1990s when they were inciting youths to revolution and terrorism, it's a popular recording. Seriously, I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, it's surprising that it's a Shia that knows who salafee is and who's not. You just like branding individual that flies into your coconut head as a salafee. I know one day, you brand ibrahim inyass a salafee. Imagine you saying "salafee cleric" of "ikwaan ul muslimeen" ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 9:48am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Demmzy15: Zakir Naik says he is a Salafi. you say he is not. and he might say you are not. it is all good. so even Bin Laden is not Salafi because Ibn Baz says he is not. that is the problem. you only regard as Salafi/Wahhabi only those certified by the government paid clerics in Saudi Arabia. those Salafi clerics who do not pay heed to the clerical employees in Saudi, are regarded by you as "excommunicated" or out of the fold of Salafism, even though Takfiri terror is their ideology. that is the only thing that unites you all (Takfirism and Takfiri terror and takfiri killings). other than that you keep denying one another for the slightest differences in opinion. what doctrines make a Salafi/Wahhabi? please enlighten us. tell us what doctrine makes you one. like we know the Shahadatain makes a Muslim; even though you people disagree on that too and have added appendages to it. you should clarify. if you followers of the bloodsucking ideology will keep denying yourselves like this and using the central principle of your ideology (Takfir and Takfiri killings) against your own selves, the world will be a better place. tell us who is part of your death cult and how and what makes them part of it. what are the criteria? let us assume to agree that those clerics are not Salafi/Wahhabi, are they Sunnis or not? are they Ahlus-Sunnah or not? of course, in the parochial view of yours, only you are Ahlus-Sunnah. others are not Sunni enough. this is the secret Sunnis have not known: that Wahhabis/Salafists do not see them as "Sunni enough". that they are also seen as deviants and misguided. |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Demmzy15(m): 11:20am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Zakir Naik is not a salafi, he never claimed to be one. Lemme give you a transcript of one of his lectures: Once, in Riyadh, I went to meet Shaikh Ibn Baz (rahimahullah) when he was alive, I had gone to meet him. I went without appointment, his secretary asked me, who are you? I said, “I am a muslim”. “Which muslim are you? Which muslim are you?” I said, “Muslim.” “What is your Aqeedah?” I said, “Allah and Messenger.” “You question me , I will answer you.” If you want to question, then do it with me. He wished that I should say… In Saudi Arabia, there are no Ahle Hadees. In Saudi Arabia there are Salafi. Few people know Ahle Hadees. There if you say Ahle Hadees, they won’t recognize you. In Saudi Arabia there are Salafi. Because I did not say that I am a salafi, he did not permit me to meet him… Lecture with the Jahmiyyah Ahl Hadees As for your dumb assertions, I'm done repeating myself. Belief whatever you want, it's not my business. My final note is Ahl Sunnah Wa Ja'amah aka Salafis aka Wahabis are united in their opposition against extremism and terrorism. They don't make excuses for suicide bombers! 1 Like |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 12:25pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Demmzy15: "In the following centuries the term ahl al-hadith came to refer to the scholars, mostly of the Hanbali madhhab, who rejected rationalistic theology (kalam) and held on to the early Sunni creed.[6] This theological school, which is also known as traditionalist theology, has been championed in recent times by the Salafi movement.[7] The term ahl al-hadith is sometimes used in a more general sense to denote a particularly enthusiastic commitment to hadith and to the views and way of life of the Salaf (exemplary early Muslims).[8]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahl_al-Hadith |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 12:28pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Furthermore, tell us what makes a Salafist. Are you confused too? You will say a Salafist is someone who follows the Salaf. Which Salaf? And what teachings of the Salaf? No answer? What of the claim by Kalbani that Isis follows your teachings? No answer? You're out of answers obviously. And you talk about intellect. Intellect indeed!!! |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Zhulfiqar1: 2:13pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
this thread's title should be changed to: Salafists AKA Wahhabis Commit Suicide on Nairaland ![]() ![]() ![]() please Seun and his mod should do the needful. |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Nobody: 2:36pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Zhulfiqar1: why are you feeling happy with the nonsensical post you posted with your other accounts? anyone with a bit of sense will see through your idiocy in all your posts, trying hard to prove that "wahhabis" support suicide bombings, the people you brought, Yousuf qaradawi and zakir naik that supported suicide bombings arenr salafis and they never claimed to be one, you tried so hard to proof that qaradawi is salafi, to the extent that you used this statement "al-Qaradawi has been embraced by some Salafis," as a proof that qaradawi is a Salafi, how weak could a proof get? who are these "salafis" that embraced him, we don't know. yoy also used a contradictory statement as this "The top-most contemporary Salafist cleric and the ideological icon of the Ikhwan al-Muslimin", for Allaah's sake how can salafi and ikhwanul muslimin be found in the same statement? the same ikhwanul muslimin which salafis for long has condemned for many errors that they have? you seriously have no shame, atleast even if you are collecting money from Iran to propagate lies, you should propagate it smartly, not with idiocy. ONE OF THE WAY TO KNOW SALAFIS, is, they don't advocate suicide bombing, because the salafs was stern against commiting suicide, shias on the otherhand do not have problem with it, as it is evident even here on NL, because you in particular justifies suicide bombing, you have many posts here on NL with your alternate accounts where you justify suicide bombing, even if you try to deny, the mufti of syria clearly stated that they have suicide bombers in europe wwaiting to strike, implying suicide bombing is halal to you shia. we don't need to sweat in order to prove that he is shia, like you are trying to do here with some deviants that called to suicide bombing, it is cclear that the mufti of suriyyah is shia. pfft. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Zhulfiqar1: 2:48pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
lexiconkabir: forget about yeye Salafi/Wahhabi. Zakir Naik, Qaradawi, Hawali, Oudah...are they Sunni or not? they are Sunni, not Shia. so who cares about 1% of Muslims calling themselves Salafi/Wahhabi? the fact remains that you have no central doctrine than Takfirism and Takfiri killings to identify a Salafi. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by Nobody: 3:17pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Zhulfiqar1: are you changing the goal post? thought you were saying its 'wahhabis", well it has been proven that "wahhabi" ulama whom you tried to slander, have condemed suicide bombing explicitly, here is a question, DID ANY OF THE SHIA ULAMA CONDEMN SUICIDE BOMBING? if the above mentioned individuals are sunnis how does that affect "wahhabis"? and hpw does it change the fact that YOU IN PARTICULAR HAVE JUSTIFIED SUICIDE BOMBING HERE ON NL TIMES WITHOUT NUMBER the fact remains that you have no central doctrine than Takfirism and Takfiri killings to identify a Salafi. actually salafis have a central doctrine such that if you differ in even one, you can't be considered a salafi, support of suicide bombing is one of the things salafis speak against. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 3:31pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Oga Lexiconkabir, The below sheikh Abdul aziz al tarifi defends suicide bombing. He works for the ministry of Islamic affairs in Saudi, in Riyadh. He was a student of your hero Ibn Baaz. Is he not Salafi too? Can a non-Salafi be employed to his role? Can a Saudi student of Ibn Baaz be anything but Salafi/Wahhabi? And guess what? He's said to be "erudite" and goes to answer religious questions on tv in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. Are you people shameless? ShiaMuslim: Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi: Sheikh al-Tarifi is a Researcher in the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Riyadh. The Sheikh is deeply erudite in the sciences of Islam, known for his profound ability to retrieve evidences and issue meticulous verdicts. Among his teachers are Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baaz, Faqih Abdullah b. Abdul Aziz b. Aqeel and Sheikh Muhammad b. al-Hasan al-Shanqeeti. The sheikh has an extensive number of printed works.[12] http://www.islam21c.com/politics/conclusive-scholarly-opinions-on-isis/ |
Re: Shia, Suicide Bombings And Iraan by ShiaMuslim: 3:36pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
lexiconkabir: There's no goalpost change. Stop denying your clerics. And above is the profile of Sheikh Abdul Aziz al Tarifi. He's Wahhabi and works for the Saudi government. And he was student of Ibn Baaz. I am talking of Sunni Wahhabis/Salafis. Not the generality of Sunnis whose stance is known. Tell us your central doctrine. Let us know it. Stop hiding behind your fingers. 1 Like 1 Share |
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