They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.



Why are Muslims not obeying the bold? They still take the kafirs for friends even migrate in thier land.

Mr man/woman stop twisting stuff, I don't why some people will just take some part from the Qur'an or hadith without actually bringing what was said b4 & after it or finding an in depth explanation all in an effort to spite Muslims

mengho:
Mr man/woman stop twisting stuff, I don't why some people will just take some part from the Qur'an or hadith without actually bringing what was said b4 & after it or finding an in depth explanation all in an effort to spite Muslims

Why don't you give us an in depth explanation instead off just making a vacant statement.

plappville:

They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.



Why are Muslims not obeying the bold? They still take the kafirs for friends even migrate in thier land.

Many muslims disobey the above verse for the same reason many Christians disobey the instruction in Corinthians 14:35 that women should be quiet in Church, and only ask questions of their husbands when they get home.

Both verses are an anachronistic insult to common human decency.

AgentOfAllah:


Many muslims disobey the above verse for the same reason many Christians disobey the instruction in Corinthians 14:35 that women should be quiet in Church, and only ask questions of their husbands when they get home.

Both verses are an anachronistic insult to common human decency.

Christianity is not the issue here.

The reason why Muslims disobey that verse is because they will become poor and wretched if they were to obey it. Majority of jobs today are provided by people of other faiths, majority being Christians. Do you want them to starve to death?

alBHAGDADI:
Christianity is not the issue here.

Who made Christianity the issue? Your guilty conscience?

The reason why Muslims disobey that verse is because they will become poor and wretched if they were to obey it. Majority of jobs today are provided by people of other faiths, majority being Christians. Do you want them to starve to death?

This is a good point! Pragmatism can also make people discard stupid religious instructions. Although, I don't see that it negates my point on common human decency. Both can work in tandem.

mengho:
Mr man/woman stop twisting stuff, I don't why some people will just take some part from the Qur'an or hadith without actually bringing what was said b4 & after it or finding an in depth explanation all in an effort to spite Muslims

How did I twist it? Do you have a better explanation?

annunaki2:


Why don't you give us an in depth explanation instead off just making a vacant statement.

I tire ooo. Muslim's in France even collect Christmas allowances. Yet they dont celebrate it. Why don't they reject it if they really love Muhammed and want to practice the quran to its letters.

plappville:


How did I twist it? Do you have a better explanation?

Am too lazy to type it, besides you don't seem like some ready to know instead you are just looking for faults

AgentOfAllah:


Many muslims disobey the above verse for the same reason many Christians disobey the instruction in Corinthians 14:35 that women should be quiet in Church, and only ask questions of their husbands when they get home.

Both verses are an anachronistic insult to common human decency.

If you have read the Bible very well. You will see that women have played great roles in Isreal. Biblical Women were not primitive. They were respected. Even Abraham respected his wife so much to have listened to her. If he had not. Hajah wouldnt have had Ishmael. You and i will not be here to discuss about terrorism each passing day in NL.

Why is this lady always attacking muslims??

plappville:


If you have read the Bible very well. You will see that women have played great roles in Isreal. Biblical Women were not primitive. They were respected. Even Abraham respected his wife so much to have listened to her. If he had not. Hajah wouldnt have had Ishmael. You and i will not be here to discuss about terrorism each passing day in NL.

Funny how you're quick to criticize Muslims for disregarding stupid religious instructions in order to ridicule them, and then when I do the same thing to you, you're suddenly consumed by the impulse of your own hypocrisy; so you start defending a record which I never questioned in the first place.

What you're too blind to see is that your religious book isn't any less ridiculous than that of Muslims. So you can choose to learn from the age old wisdom that instructs those who live in glass houses not to throw stones, or, otherwise, have your hypocrisy expose you to especial ignominy!

NinjaX:
Why is this lady always attacking muslims??

Why are Muslims always fond of killing? Are you not tired of hearing bad news?

AgentOfAllah:


Funny how you're quick to criticize Muslims for disregarding stupid religious instructions in order to ridicule them, and then when I do the same thing to you, you're suddenly consumed by the impulse of your own hypocrisy; so you start defending a record which I never questioned in the first place.

What you're too blind to see is that your religious book isn't any less ridiculous than that of Muslims. So you can choose to learn from the age old wisdom that instructs those who live in glass houses not to throw stones, or, otherwise, have your hypocrisy expose you to especial ignominy!

Has a Christian terrorise any of your beloved?

Did Jesus ever say's Christian's should kill unbeliever until they turn to God?. Please, don't divert The OP. Let the Muslims defend themselves. Why do they depend on the infidels for refuge when all.ah commanded them to kill the Kafirs?

mengho:


Am too lazy to type it, besides you don't seem like some ready to know instead you are just looking for faults

If there were no faults, I wouldn't have pointed out fault's. Allah says kill them anywhere u find them. Who is to be killed? And he continued by saying do not take them for friends. Yet we see Muslims in The US, and in the West. They keep migrating in the lands of the infidels. Isn't Saudi Arabia supposed to be a place of security and safety for you Muslims accoring to the quran? So why not go there for refuge?


If you are afraid, then perform prayer on foot or mounted. But when you are safe, remember Allah in the way He taught you when previously you did not know. (2:239)

In it are Clear Signs–the place where Ibrahim stood (to pray). (Mecca) [b] All who enter it are safe.[/b]Pilgrimage to the House is a duty owed to Allah by all mankind–those who can find a way to do it. But if anyone disbelieves, Allah is Rich Beyond Need of any being. (3:97)


Go to where Allah promused you safety and stop running to the infidels for safety.

plappville:


Has a Christian terrorist any of your beloved?

As a matter of fact, yes! I've personally been physically assaulted by a Christian terrorist before. What has this got to do with the topic though?

Did Jesus ever say's Christian's should kill unbeliever until they turn to God?. Please, don't divert The OP. Let the Muslims defend themselves. Why do they depend on the infidels for refuge when all.ah commanded them to kill the Kafirs?

Is Jesus Yahweh? Cos Yahweh makes Allah look like an impotent teddy bear when it comes to violence...
Glass houses hypocrite, glass houses.

plappville:


If there were no faults, I wouldn't have pointed out fault's. Allah says kill them anywhere u find them. Who is to be killed? And he continued by saying do not take them for friends. Yet we see Muslims in The US, and in the West. They keep migrating in the lands of the infidels. Isn't Saudi Arabia supposed to be a place of security and safety for you Muslims accoring to the quran? So why not go there for refuge?


If you are afraid, then perform prayer on foot or mounted. But when you are safe, remember Allah in the way He taught you when previously you did not know. (2:239)

In it are Clear Signs–the place where Ibrahim stood (to pray). (Mecca) [b] All who enter it are safe.[/b]Pilgrimage to the House is a duty owed to Allah by all mankind–those who can find a way to do it. But if anyone disbelieves, Allah is Rich Beyond Need of any being. (3:97)


Go to where Allah promused you safety and stop running to the infidels for safety.

First of all I never left anywhere outside Nigeria with the intention of living there, I also see nothing great about America or UK dat will make me leave my home. You should know some of us are actually comfortable were we are & satisfied with our lives. I don't see how those countries are better than my village. wherever I go, I feel the most comfort at home besides annoying fefol like You, naked women & sex is what filled up dat those countries. So No Thanx

mengho:


First of all I never left anywhere outside Nigeria with the intention of living there, I also see nothing great about America or UK dat will make me leave my home. You should know some of us are actually comfortable were we are & satisfied with our lives. I don't see how those countries are better than my village. wherever I go, I feel the most comfort at home besides annoying fefol like You, naked women & sex is what filled up dat those countries. So No Thanx

Man, you are completely OTP...

We are talking about Muslim migrants. They run to the West. Even when Allah warned them not to befriends with them. See the pictures. These people were all muslim refuguee's who flee from War before they migrated to those countries. Now see what they wished these countries who accommodated them during hard times. Islam is all they wished. This same Islam couldnt help them at anytime during the war. Saudi rejected Muslim's refugee's yet Mecca is a place of safety to Muslims?

O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide people who are unjust. (Quran 5:51)
This verse is often quoted to show that Islam is intolerant.
Quran is a complete book of guidance and while studying various issues it should be kept in mind that a particular issue may be discussed over several chapters or several verses in the same chapter. A complete understanding can only be achieved by understanding the whole issue as presented over all the verses and chapters and not by looking at only part of the Quran. God specifically warns us against doing just that, upholding part of the Quran while disregarding the rest.
.. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do you reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? – and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do. (Quran 2:85)
To understand the issue of befriending the Jews, Christians or people of any other faith, we have to study all the concerned verses from the Quran collectively.
Let us look at some other verses about this issue. The following two verses regulate relations with any people, regardless of faith:
As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:
God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)
From the above verses, we learn that we are only discouraged from befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion. Now let’s go back to the verse immediately after 5:51, to see if it sheds some further light on the issue.
And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52)
During the time of the Prophet when the Jews and Christians were in open conflict with the Muslims, there were some Muslims who were more concerned about maintaining there alliances with the Jews and Christians at the expense of the Muslim community. The above verse is referring to such situations where Muslims with doubts in their hearts will ally themselves with the enemy.
Chapter 5 Verse 57 of the Quran makes it clear again, who are not to be taken as friends; O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly) believers. (Quran 5:57)
God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good character.
Quranic verses referring to the righteous Jews and Christians:
Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (Quran 7:159)
And We caused Jesus, the son of Mary, to follow in the footsteps of those (earlier prophets), confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah; and We sent him the Gospel, wherein there was guidance and light, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah, and as a guidance and admonition unto the God-conscious. (Quran 5:46)
Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (Quran 3:113-114)
And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (Quran 3:199)
The following verse from the Quran capsulates this issue:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Quran

plappville:


Why are Muslims always fond of killing? Are you not tired of hearing bad news?

Do you feel that Elisha was justified when he conjured beasts to maul little kids whose only offence was calling him a bald-headed man?

God turned lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking back, is such an action rational?

mengho:
[s]O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide people who are unjust. (Quran 5:51)
This verse is often quoted to show that Islam is intolerant.
Quran is a complete book of guidance and while studying various issues it should be kept in mind that a particular issue may be discussed over several chapters or several verses in the same chapter. A complete understanding can only be achieved by understanding the whole issue as presented over all the verses and chapters and not by looking at only part of the Quran. God specifically warns us against doing just that, upholding part of the Quran while disregarding the rest.
.. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do you reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? – and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do. (Quran 2:85)
To understand the issue of befriending the Jews, Christians or people of any other faith, we have to study all the concerned verses from the Quran collectively.
Let us look at some other verses about this issue. The following two verses regulate relations with any people, regardless of faith:
As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:
God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)
From the above verses, we learn that we are only discouraged from befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion. Now let’s go back to the verse immediately after 5:51, to see if it sheds some further light on the issue.
And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52)
During the time of the Prophet when the Jews and Christians were in open conflict with the Muslims, there were some Muslims who were more concerned about maintaining there alliances with the Jews and Christians at the expense of the Muslim community. The above verse is referring to such situations where Muslims with doubts in their hearts will ally themselves with the enemy.
Chapter 5 Verse 57 of the Quran makes it clear again, who are not to be taken as friends; O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly) believers. (Quran 5:57)
God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good character.
Quranic verses referring to the righteous Jews and Christians:
Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (Quran 7:159)
And We caused Jesus, the son of Mary, to follow in the footsteps of those (earlier prophets), confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah; and We sent him the Gospel, wherein there was guidance and light, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah, and as a guidance and admonition unto the God-conscious. (Quran 5:46)
Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (Quran 3:113-114)
And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (Quran 3:199)
The following verse from the Quran capsulates this issue:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Quran[/s]

Allah is a moon god. Not the God of Israel. Try harder next time.

NinjaX:



Do you feel that Elisha was justified when he conjured beasts to maul little kids whose only offence was calling him a bald-headed man?

God turned lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking back, is such an action rational?

I was banned because i gave you the correct comment you deserved. But unfortunately as usual, islam is protected in NL so i was banne and comment was deleted. So i will let you believe you have made some sense by using the word in bold, because you cant point out the offence of all the people losing thier lives because of islamic terrorism today...

plappville:


Allah is a moon god. Not the God of Israel. Try harder next time.

Like I said in the first post, you were never intrested in understanding, You just want to spite Islam & Muslims. Further explanations will be a waste of time


I hope you get over ur hatred for Islam one day( not that I care). You are still young do not live a life full of bitterness. Bye bye little girl

mengho:


Like I said in the first post, you were never intrested in understanding, You just want to spite Islam & Muslims. Further explanations will be a waste of time


I hope you get over ur hatred for Islam one day( not that I care). You are still young do not live a life full of bitterness. Bye bye little girl

Am sure all the people that have lost thier loved ones to all.a.h are living a life full of bitterness. How will you care? I dont hate Muslims. I hate islam with so much passion. It has made many parents childless by killing thier only child. Made one young kid motherless by killing his mother when he was only 18 months old. More and more but i stop here.

Plappvillemoi:


I was banned because i gave you the correct comment you deserved. But unfortunately as usual, islam is protected in NL so i was banne and comment was deleted. So i will let you believe you have made some sense by using the word in bold, because you cant point out the offence of all the people losing thier lives because of islamic terrorism today...

But the Islamic extremists who slaughter people can readily point out the offence of those killed by them. I asked a simple yes or no question, there was no need typing a mini epistle. So, I ask again, are you against what God and Elisha did as shown in my previous comment, or you are in support of their actions?

plappville:


I tire ooo. Muslim's in France even collect Christmas allowances. Yet they dont celebrate it. Why don't they reject it if they really love Muhammed and want to practice the quran to its letters.

I don't think France knows what it's doing. How can they be feeding their enemies and tomorrow they will shout they are under islamic attack. I don't pity them though.

plappville:

They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.



Why are Muslims not obeying the bold? They still take the kafirs for friends even migrate in thier land.

I still awe at how Christians take verses from the Islamic scripture, attack such verses taken out of contest and make mockery of themselves, thinking they are mocking Islam.
Now tell me what the bible preaches in 2 Corinthians 6: 14-17.
Why are Christians not following it? Why do they all run to Arab countries in search of greener pastures, recreation, leisure and honeymoon?
I hate hypocrisy, and Christians prove again and again that is what they are.

plappville:


If you have read the Bible very well. You will see that women have played great roles in Isreal. Biblical Women were not primitive. They were respected. Even Abraham respected his wife so much to have listened to her. If he had not. Hajah wouldnt have had Ishmael. You and i will not be here to discuss about terrorism each passing day in NL.

Maybe you should open another thread for this, and we can discuss the roles of women in both religion. I am not talking about women of the old testament. Those are not Christians. They were Jews. They practiced Judaism. Let's take them from the advent of christianity and Islam. Let's see the different roles they play in the spread of both religion. I dare you to mention just five women that participated in the spread of christianity during the times of the apostles

NinjaX:


But the Islamic extremists who slaughter people can readily point out the offence of those killed by them. I asked a simple yes or no question, there was no need typing a mini epistle. So, I ask again, are you against what God and Elisha did as shown in my previous commented, or you are in support of their actions?

What is thier excuse? You support them because they practice the quran to the letters. But you? Did you even answer the OP before asking your sill.y questions tgat has no link with the thread? Go and creat a topic and ask you questions. Dont divert the thread.