RedboneSmith:


I dispute the Nri bit. Very much. Ogboli-Issele may have some connections with Nri. But Issele people will disagree strongly and tell you all of Issele, including Ogboli-Issele is from Benin. Anybody saying Issele is of Nri origin is definitely not from Issele or even Anioma.

Again, Wikipedia can never be a reliable source. If i want I can go now and edit Wikipedia so that it will read that Kano was founded by the Japanese.

If this is ur assertion then it is probable that Benin was established by the Aniomas and the aborigines of Bini were Igbos from Nri that migrated west.

They met other tribes (yorubas) mixed and created the lingua franca u call bini.

My guess is that an Igbo woman gave birth to the Binis as is the case with the Igalas. Mind u Igbo men also fathered some of them too.

This is probable given that similar circumstances exist in Rivers with the Ikwere.

U have not yet answered wat Eweka means in Bini language.

cheruv:

Its a Federal govt project so whether its cooked up or not,the onus lies on the Federal govt not me

it was not a federal government project. The article and interview was cooked up. Dein of Agbor wasn't interviewed and everything in that document was cooked up. In that document, there was a place they said Agbor was founded by a man called Omini from Aguleri and that Omini loved travelling so they named Agbor Omini na nor Uzor ije and the British corrupted it to Ominijie whereby Ominijie is a full Ika/Bini word /name.

hammerF:
On wikipedia, the first Oba name is registered as Eweka

Cant help but notice that the name is similar to the Igbo name called Emeka.

Wat does Eweka mean in Bini, does anybody know?

Could the name be a corrupt version for the igbo name Emeka?

Could igbos from Nri have founded the bini kingdom and due to mixing with yorubas created the bini dialect?

Hehehehe. Too funny, braah. Too funny.

RedboneSmith:


Hehehehe. Too funny, braah. Too funny.

Dispute it, we dey wait.

hammerF:


Dispute it, we dey wait.

would have made more sense if you had said Iweka instead of Emeka like Eweka Street in Onitsha was changed to Iweka Street

ehikwe22:
Why can't you use your senses? Dein of Agbor said all that in an interview and you chose to believe that interview was real? Agbor was formerly called Agbon before it was anglicicized. Lineage is called Agbon in Edo and Anioma and There is no relationship between Agbon and Agburu. Look for another lie. Dein never said this. Paste the link to this your interview let's see.

Don't drag me into the gutter of ignorance you're currently residing in biko go and ask the dein why he said that don't ask me.
Now coming to Agbon...I don't speak Bini but am glad you said it yourself that Agbon is the Bini for lineage,and anyone who's a linguist who know that there's a relationship btwm Agbon and Agbo. All the Igbos from igbanke down to the whole Anioma even across the river to Anambra and parts of Imo and Rivers use Agbo as their term for lineage.
Igbo as a language unlike Bini and Yoruba doesn't have nasalized vowels.. They were removed in 1962 when written Igbo was standardized. That was the compromise southern and western Igbos gave in exchange of their dialects being adopted as the basis for standard Igbo.
If that nasalization was retained, Igbo would still be spelling lineage as Agbon instead of the Agbo we use now.
As further emphasis on my piece..
Comparing ika to onicha dialect one would see that the words are essentially the same except for the addition of "n" in ika variants. For eg Dei in onicha becomes Dein in ika, Agbò in onicha becomes agbon in ika, ebo in onicha becomes ebon in ika
Like I told gerg, you too need to expand your horizon and stop looking ignorant

Cire80:
would have made more sense if you had said Iweka instead of Emeka like Eweka Street in Onitsha was changed to Iweka Street

Either way, Iweka and Emeka are igbo words, the question is wat type of coincidence is it that the first Oba of Benin name is Eweka and not the usual urhuokhokhor?

hammerF:


If this is ur assertion then it is probable that Benin was established by the Aniomas and the aborigines of Bini were Igbos from Nri that migrated west.

They met other tribes (yorubas) mixed and created the lingua franca u call bini.

My guess is that an Igbo woman gave birth to the Binis as is the case with the Igalas.

This is probable given that similar circumstances exist in Rivers with the Ikwere.

U have not yet answered wat Eweka means in Bini language.

Braah, you've got to stop embarrassing your people like this? Whatzaldis?

Anyway, if you have bothered to read any of the books about Bini history, there wouldn't have been any need to ask me what Eweka means, because it it clearly stated in Bini history.

RedboneSmith:


Braah, you've got to stop embarrassing your people like this? Whatzaldis?

Anyway, if you have bothered to read any of the books about Bini history, there wouldn't have been any need to ask me what Eweka means, because it it clearly stated in Bini history.

Answer the question and stop all this diversion tactics. Wat does Eweka mean in Bini?

hammerF:
On wikipedia, the first Oba name is registered as Eweka

Cant help but notice that the name is similar to the Igbo name called Emeka.

Wat does Eweka mean in Bini, does anybody know?

Could the name be a corrupt version for the igbo name Emeka?

Could igbos from Nri have founded the bini kingdom and due to mixing with yorubas created the bini dialect?

Guy...to get the Igbo variant of Bini names starting with E,just change it to I
For example eweka is iweka in Igbo, esama is isama though it doesn't apply in all cases.

Let me go further and explain.


The Nri people pushed west in search of land and some pushed north. Others went south.

The Nri people got to their location from the East of Africa, some will say Israel.

In the west they met the yoruba and produced the Bini, from this association another migration south started to present day Bayelsa(Urhobo and Ijaw) [/b]and[b] up North to present day Kogi(Esan and Ebira).

The Igalas and Idomas are products of a further mix with the igbos that migrated North.

But why do most Anioma towns and settlements have a very different settlement pattern from that of Igbo towns and villages in the SE.
Checking from Google maps, most Anioma places are compact and nucleated like Benin and Yoruba towns, unlike SE towns that are just like connected strings of houses built along road paths.

YourNemesis:
But why do most Anioma towns and settlements have a very different ettlement pattern from that of Igbo towns and villages in the SE.
Checking from Google maps, most Anioma places are compact and nucleated like Benin and Yoruba towns, unlike SE towns that are just like connected string of houses built along road paths.

Densely populated.

cheruv:

Guy...to get the Igbo variant of Bini names starting with E,just change it to I
For example eweka is iweka in Igbo, esama is isama though it doesn't apply in all cases.

Thanks for that very valid contribution. The first Oba of Benin was an Igbo man from Nri.


Just like Nigeria, the First President was an Igbo Man.

hammerF:


Densely populated.

Dense populated is a different thing from settlement patterns.
How people settle has to do with their social life and general lifestyle choices.
i.e groups that developed centralized authorities bs dispersed nominal groups.

Germany is densely populated, yet their cities are compact.
Tanzania is sparsely populated yet they mostly live in dispersed individual homesteads outside the cities.

hammerF:


Thanks for that very valid contribution. The first Oba of Benin was an Igbo man from Nri.
Just like Nigeria the First President was an Igbo Man.

kai... this is revisionist history at its best.

Ewuare too was Iwuare.
WHile Oranmiyan was Olumanya

cheruv:

Don't drag me into the gutter of ignorance you're currently residing in biko go and ask the dein why he said that don't ask me.
Now coming to Agbon...I don't speak Bini but am glad you said it yourself that Agbon is the Bini for lineage,and anyone who's a linguist who know that there's a relationship btwm Agbon and Agbo. All the Igbos from igbanke down to the whole Anioma even across the river to Anambra and parts of Imo and Rivers use Agbo as their term for lineage.
Igbo as a language unlike Bini and Yoruba doesn't have nasalized vowels.. They were removed in 1962 when written Igbo was standardized. That was the compromise southern and western Igbos gave in exchange of their dialects being adopted as the basis for standard Igbo.
If that nasalization was retained, Igbo would still be spelling lineage as Agbon instead of the Agbo we use now.
Like I told gerg, you too need to expand your horizon and stop looking ignorant

in your post you said Agburu is the Igbo word for lineage. In Ika lineage is Agbon and not Agburu

YourNemesis:


kai... this is revisionist history at its best.

Ewuare too was Iwuare.
WHile Oranmiyan was Olumanya

cheruv:

Guy...to get the Igbo variant of Bini names starting with E,just change it to I
For example eweka is iweka in Igbo, esama is isama though it doesn't apply in all cases.

We are not looking at names after mixing with yorubas took place but before and the implications.

We have towns with names like Okoro in Edo state, Igueze and Co. How did that come about except through interaction.

hammerF:

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So it does not apply in all cases, but it had to only apply to just the one that look similar to Ibo?
I see many Edo origin names in Ibo, not the other way round.

YourNemesis:


So it does not apply in all cases, but it had to only apply to just the one that look similar to Ibo?
I see many Edo origin names in Ibo, not the other way round.

We have many towns with names like Okoro/ Igueze far beyond benin west of Edo state.

hammerF:

We are not looking at names after mixing with yorubas took place but before and the implications.

We have towns with names like Okoro in Ondo state, Egbo and Co. How did that come about except through interaction.

Pls, which mixing with Yorubas are you talking about?
Is there any journals or publications of repute that mentions that Edos are a product of mixture between Yorubas and Igbos?
Pseudo history is sweet I swear.

hammerF:


We have many towns with names like Okoro/ Igueze far beyond benin west of Edo state.

Okoro is prince in Bini language, just like Iken is crown prince.
Igueze sounds completely Benin to me o. I don't know about you.

hammerF:


Dispute it, we dey wait.

Dispute it? LOL. You come up with an utterly utterly ridiculous story, and I am supposed to indulge you by typing a winding refutation? Who get that kind time?

It is bullcrap; that's all the disputing you're getting from me. Search for the meaning of Eweka online (if you don't have access to 'Short History of Benin' by Egharevba) and learn.

YourNemesis:


Pls, which mixing with Yorubas are you talking about?
Is there any journals or publications of repute that mentions that Edos are a product of mixture between Yorubas and Igbos?
Pseudo history is sweet I swear.

Dude the clues are every where? Igbos are the aborigines of Benin and interacted heavily with a tribe located West of Benin.

This interaction created groups that went south like the Urhobo and Ijaw. As well as north like the Esan and Ebira.

look at the names of towns heading west beyond Benin.

No wonder Ngozi123 was so insistent that their are igbo roots to BENIN. It is starting to add up.

hammerF:
No wonder Ngozi123 was so insistent that their are igbo roots to BENIN. It is starting to add up.

hahaha... of course, it will add up to you now..
Afterall, you concocted it in your own head.

Maybe you are even the same guy that said Ijebu Igbo originated in the east.
Look at Okeluse in the map, won't you find an Igbo meaning for it too

YourNemesis:


hahaha... of course, it will add up to you now..
Afterall, you concocted it in your own head.

Maybe you are even the same guy that said Ijebu Igbo originated in the east.
Look at Okeluse in the map, won't you find an Igbo meaning for it too

and u did not provide evidence to counter my assertion. Wat does Eweka mean in Bini?

Okeluse is further north, might be yoruba word inspired, i dont know.

If it is igbo somebody will tell us.

hammerF:


Dude the clues are every where? Igbos are the aborigines of Benin and interacted heavily with a tribe located West of Benin.

This interaction created groups that went south like the Urhobo and Ijaw. As well as north like the Esan and Ebira.

look at the names of towns heading west beyond Benin.

Ebira?
lol.... I'm so done.

YourNemesis:


Ebira?
lol.... I'm so done.

watch this video and listen to the similarity of sounds between igbo and ebira.


She is igbo and he is Ebira. Come back and let us laugh together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AnTyKfaagM&ab_channel=J%27sworld

hammerF:


and u did not provide evidence to counter my assertion. Wat does Eweka mean in Bini?

Okeluse is further north, might be yoruba word inspired, i dont know.

If it is igbo somebody will tell us.

What does the meaning of Eweka a purely Benin name have to do with your Igbo expansionist fantasies?
And I don't know it's Benin meaning, but it is most certainly a Benin name just like Ewuare, Owodo and the others.
It might have a meaning which I am not aware of, but most old names like that are hard to decipher. I don't eve know the meaning of my own lastname.

hammerF:


watch this video and listen to the similarity of sounds between igbo and ebira.


She is igbo and he is Ebira. Come back and let us laugh together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AnTyKfaagM&ab_channel=J%27sworld

That does not man anything.
There are similarities between Yoruba and japanese. and between Benin and Malay.
Ebira is a nupoid language.

YourNemesis:


hahaha... of course, it will add up to you now..
Afterall, you concocted it in your own head.

Maybe you are even the same guy that said Ijebu Igbo originated in the east.
Look at Okeluse in the map, won't you find an Igbo meaning for it too

This is Igbo people for you. They ascribe Igbo meaning to every word they ever come across and some of these words stick on and get corrupted