shizzy7:
They will forever be your obsession ....

shizzy7:
Where there are fraudsters, there are also good Nigerians and that's the way it is in every country of the world.
That's their palava, I no fit halla this night.

cheruv:

My obsession or your obsession
That's why I say Yoruba people should remove their eyes from Igbo affairs... The pokenosing is becoming very nauseating

MtuMsuper:

ok then. When I was in highschool, we read several books from Nigerian authors not least Things Fall Apart and The Concubine by the late greats Chinua Achebe and Elechi Amadi respectively. I still have both books with me. Both mention the Osu or outcast phenomenon.
Luos of Kenya have several names that are eerily also igbo names. To wit : Okoro, Agumbah, Okech(a), Oguta that come immediately to mind.
Kikuyus of Kenya also have the name Ngige, as do igbos.
An honest response devoid of hyperbole is much appreciated.

iblawi:


You now know West Africa and Nigeria better than we do right?

All am telling you is that we have many languages spoken across border here in West Africa too. Pigin English is very common not only in West Africa and it spoken by both literate and illiterate. What more can be indigenous to us.

You don't have to go to school to learn Pigin English just like English men don't need school to speak English and a French man don't need school to speak French.

Muafrika2:

eduj , a few questions if you don't mind.

Do the Osu possess alot of land and /or property?

Are they believed to have supernatural abilities? Like diviners? What do they do?

Are there people still being dedicated?

eduj:

an OSU can't possess land but can make use of the lands dedicated to his deity.
Generally people believed that their communal deity would punish them for physically acting against an OSU (to kill an OSU then ,was seen as an abomination) .I don't think NDE OSU where ever thought to posses mystic powers-that honour goes to the chief priests or in some cases,the oldest living first son (okpara ukwu).
To the best of my knowledge, the OSU caste system became obsolete in most Igbo communities with the advent of Christianity. But I expect that their would be communities where the discrimination would be considerable.

kikuyu2:
Ok,Pazienza , I've been following up the whole Ibo thing for a while and now I've seen the big picture though I may have missed some details and here's my conclusion. YOU GUYS WERE NEVER AS INNOCENT AS YOU INSIST.

-almost all the officers in the first coup were Ibo, a crucial fact whether or nor it was an Ibo coup
-didn't the coup plotters kill N leaders and wives? And brag about it?!
-didn't many Ibos in N areas celebrate these atrocities? Didn't an Ibo at this time compose a song 'goats are crying' to mock the Fulani?
-how did 50k FG troop die in the war? Doesn't that figure exclude 'genocide' claims?
-Yes, 3 mn Ibos died,mainly of starvation but food was a legit weapon of war in these pre ICC days
-a Yoruba leader promised to seceed but Yorubas stayed with the FG and you've abused them ever since. Frankly,they'd have served as a mere speed bump in the way of the FG

Imo,these actions were based on HUBRIS!! Overweening arrogance and contempt for the abilities of others.
-didn't Zik publicly and repeatedly call for Ibos to dominate Naij and Africa?
-didn't he admit Onitsha meant 'we despise others'?
-what made Ojukwu , a trained officer imagine he could defeat the whole FG with tiny Biafra??

Are we not seeing the same ish with IPOB and Biafra even posing with the Zionist flag?Srsly its time to abandon unhelpful attitudes.

GERALD710:

Pidgin English is not an African language but the corruption of a Germanic language native to Europe.
In essence you are boasting about an imported language imported to West Africa and corrupted
Swahili is a Bantu language, developed for over a thousand years on the East African coast.
MTU means the same be it Swahili, Zulu,Kongo or Baroste.
Swahili remains the only AFRICAN language that is a lingua franca

kikuyu2:
Ok,Pazienza , I've been following up the whole Ibo thing for a while and now I've seen the big picture though I may have missed some details and here's my conclusion. YOU GUYS WERE NEVER AS INNOCENT AS YOU INSIST.

-almost all the officers in the first coup were Ibo, a crucial fact whether or nor it was an Ibo coup
-didn't the coup plotters kill N leaders and wives? And brag about it?!
-didn't many Ibos in N areas celebrate these atrocities? Didn't an Ibo at this time compose a song 'goats are crying' to mock the Fulani?
-how did 50k FG troop die in the war? Doesn't that figure exclude 'genocide' claims?
-Yes, 3 mn Ibos died,mainly of starvation but food was a legit weapon of war in these pre ICC days
-a Yoruba leader promised to seceed but Yorubas stayed with the FG and you've abused them ever since. Frankly,they'd have served as a mere speed bump in the way of the FG

Imo,these actions were based on HUBRIS!! Overweening arrogance and contempt for the abilities of others.
-didn't Zik publicly and repeatedly call for Ibos to dominate Naij and Africa?
-didn't he admit Onitsha meant 'we despise others'?
-what made Ojukwu , a trained officer imagine he could defeat the whole FG with tiny Biafra??

Are we not seeing the same ish with IPOB and Biafra even posing with the Zionist flag?Srsly its time to abandon unhelpful attitudes.

Ugosample:


Pidgin is our own, just as Swahili is yours ...

The Jamaicans speak their patua, and I kid you not, the world knows more about their patua than any back water language (Swahili)

And to call pidgin corrupted says a lot about you.
Will you call Afrikaans a corrupted version of Dutch, as Afrikaans is basically "Pidgin Dutch"?

eduj:

The OSU's in Igbo culture are people regarded as properties of deities (chi/alusi/agbara) .In other words, they are dedicated to oracles.In ancient pre-colonial times, they commanded respect and instill fear because a crime committed against an OSU is termed as a crime committed against the gods of the land .
when a man commits a crime that entails grievous punishment such as death,he can run to their communal diety and do the necessary rites to become an osu-after which his indiscretion is absolved. Some other people who as a result of unfavorable conditions above their authority or laziness ,couldn't feed themselves can also become OSU's. people captured in battle can also become OSU's if the winning party dedicates them to their deity.A child born of an OSU is automatically an OSU.The OSU lives on offerings offered to the gods. lands of people whom the gods purportedly killed as a result of various indiscretion (ala ikugbu onye nsi) are lived and toiled on by the osu.In fact the OSU can use without payment or questioning any property dedicated to the communal deity ,but the OSU can never take a chieftaincy title in his community or marry a non-osu of his community.
however,the biggest sub-clan of the Igbo (Ngwa )mostly didn't practice this caste system so,an OSU who migrated to Ngwa land was treated no differently as other indigenes. As for Kenyans answering Igbo like names, I can't offer any explanation because the origin of the Igbo is still an ambiguous topic till date.

MtuMsuper:

This "back water " language that you barely conceal your contempt for is taught in foreign universities. Its the quintessential African language.

gallivant:
Afrikaans is a Dutch dialect just as pidgin can be considered corrupted English. None is better or worse but the latter are not African. You can't compare Swahili with those two.

vicenzo:


I see you have been feeding off Yoruba propaganda.
1. So? There were non Igbos amongst the coup plotters too?

2. What's the relevant Of this question to the question of innocence of Ndiigbo?

3.This one is straight off Yoruba propaganda. The entire country initially celebrated the success of the coup, including Igbos.
No, no Igbo musician composed any such song. The composer of that song was a Cameroonian with Ijaw mother, and it wasn't about Fulanis.

4. It simply means that the Nigerian soldiers were incompetent and despite superior unlimited fire arms supplied to them by the British, the under armed Biafran soldiers still killed them in mass, and the incompetent Nigerian soldiers took out their frustrations on innocent unarmed Biafran citizens.

5- Millions of Biafrans also died because Nigerian Egyptian mercenaries were bombing market places in Biafra filled with women and Children, they were also bombing hospitals: https://www.nairaland.com/1876613/nigerian-federal-warplanes-bomb-residential

When if you agree that starvation is a legitimate weapon of warfare, then don't turn around expecting hand of friendship with people you exerted such wicked policy on. Don't assume they will forget it all and happily move on to build your failed nation with you. Always have it at the back of your mind, that they will never see you as brothers ever again,cos you were never their brothers, and would continue till eternity to seek separate existence from you.
Japan is not co existing as same nation with USA, neither is Germany coexisting as same nation with Israel. Boundaries had ensured those wronged healed and were able to forgive those who wronged them
and that both parties moved on. Same will do for Biafra and Nigeria.

6- I don't understand this part of your post.

7- Zik never did such. By the way, I wonder what you mean by the word " dominate".
8- You were really well fed with Yoruboid junks. Onitsha has no such meaning.

9- You simply have little or no knowledge of the events predating the foundation of Biafra, and as such had demonstrated poor judgement, conclusion and understanding of events.
Infact, as this juncture, I'd advise you go on a proper research on issues surrounding Biafra and stop feeding on Yoruboid faeces as sources.
Julius Nyerere was an African figure that was widely respected, you can read his take on the Biafran issue here:https://www.nairaland.com/2318977/biafran-struggle-through-eyes-julius

MtuMsuper:

When I was in highschool we also read of ogbanje phenomenon and the little stone called iyi uwa (not sure about the spelling ) they were reputed to have . Do these still exist?

Ugosample:


And why can't you compare Swahili with the two?

Swahili probably at some point was a corrupted language too, but none of you are old enough to know...

Just as you can say English is "corrupted French" because 60-65% of English words have French origins (Due to the fact that the French colonised them 1000 years ago)

Or how say Spanish is a "corrupted" language because of its foundation in Latin.

Swahili provably has such history too

eduj:

The ogbanje which deals with the death and subsequent reincarnation of a child before adulthood is still believed to exist by a faction of the Igbo (most especially the pre-1960 peeps) .The ogbanje is born to the same woman over and over again .To stop that heart breaking cycle ,the ogbanjes iyi uwa(stone linking it to the spirit world) is dug up and ceremonies done .If the ogbanje is dead its corpse can be marked or heavily mutilated- it was believed that such mutilation would encourage the ogbanje not to return to its mother. Most of the younger generation-especially those who didn't grow up in the states the igbos are indigenous to do not even know about this phenomenon.
The advent of Christianity and western education has made most Igbos to disavow the ogbanje phenomena ,but their are families that witnesses such deaths till today.

Ugosample:


And why can't you compare Swahili with the two?

Swahili probably at some point was a corrupted language too, but none of you are old enough to know...

Just as you can say English is "corrupted French" because 60-65% of English words have French origins (Due to the fact that the French colonised them 1000 years ago)

Or how say Spanish is a "corrupted" language because of its foundation in Latin.

Swahili provably has such history too

MtuMsuper:

Nope, Swahili is not the mate of pidgin.
English has alot of loan words from French, and your claim that it's 60-65% is outlandish to say the least. English remains a Germanic tongue and its closest relative is the Frisian tongue spoken in the Netherlands.
Swahili has bantu language at its core and loan words from Arabic, Portuguese, Turkish, Farsi due to the natal land of kiswahili being at the crossroads of ancient Indian Ocean trade and the influence of Islam.
I wonder if one can study pidgin to PhD level.

Ugosample:



I see the problem...
You guys don't understand the pidgin....


Look, Pidgin has its own structure, and it is even used as a language of instruction in many parts of Nigeria, it has a good percentage of local words, and as such could be considered a distinct language.

MtuMsuper:

This is why we have problems in verbal communication with Nigerians. Alot of them speak pidgin to other when outside of their country, not knowing the difference between it and English, and also the fact that its mostly confined to Nigeria.
On the other hand if i were to bump into a Tanzanian or a Congolese, i would talk to them in kiswahili.

Is pidgin a regulated language with its own certification and standardization board? Has it been lobbied for use in international fora? Do they have exams for pidgin?

vicenzo:
In Igbo land (south eastern Nigeria), there are descendants of people who were believed to be inferior, slaves and outcasts in the past and till date they are being discriminated in their homelands, they can never intermarry or lead their superiors in anything. It's really terrible.

What type of trash is this? First of all, Igboland does not translate to SE Nigeria, as there are Igbos in South South Nigerian states of Delta( Enu-ani), Rivers( Egbema, Asa,Ndoki, ), Cross Rivers( Isobo) Akwa Ibom( Ndoki), etc and Igbos in the North, as found in Benue state, the Umuezekoha clan of Izzi.

Why are you Nigerians hell bent on mis representing my people before the rest of Africa?

No such thing as you described existed in Igboland.
Osu caste system practiced in some parts of Igboland is often mis understood and misrepresented by non Igbos like you.

Please, stop this rubbish in the future.
Damn! Why is the average Nigerian wired to be so Igbophobic.